1.02.13 Public Beta Update Now Available!

[Joel Billings]

It is WAD that some weapons have 0 accuracy. I think this indicates they are indirect fire only weapons.

[AlbertN]

Flak losses seem still very extreme to me!

[Zovs]

I finding that if you really manage your air assets the losses will be attritional over time, the extreme is when you run any AD and only use Auto(Auto) you'll get butchered.

Here is turn 10 of my solo test game against the AI on 115.

Axis
Total Losses
2013
Operational Losses
523
Flak Losses
979
Air Combat Losses
511

Soviet
Total Losses
8449
Operational Losses
453
Flak Losses
292
Air Combat Losses
3378
Lost on the Ground
4326


Axis odds ratio

Operational to Flak Losses
1.8719

Operational to A2A Losses
0.9771

Flak to A2A Losses
0.5263

Soviet odds ratio

Operational to Flak Losses
0.6446

Operational to A2A Losses
7.4570

Flak to A2A Losses
11.5685

Flak to Lost on the Ground
14.8151

Operational to Lost on the Ground
9.5497


Axis to Soviet odds ratios

Operational Losses
0.2064

Flak Losses
0.0711

A2A Losses
1.5750


I am no mathematician but the numbers don't seem too excessive, you can see where I lost those 979 recon planes to high flak. I used Auto(Auto) with an area of 3-5 and got butchered by flak.

Source:
https://www.medcalc.org/calc/odds_ratio.php

[wkuh]

Thanks for this update.

[Cavalry Corp]

I am a bit new to this issue but the idea that flak fires at everything that passes over hex is just ridiculous. This would be OK for fixed city based flak units but not units in the field unless they were the object of attack that is one of the reasons why I think flat losses may be so high.
I am now in November 41 first campaign. I stopped using air except for re supply as the losses are destroying the air and the results I could get from the air units is at best pants. It a shame as WITP AE the effect of air and the losses seem very realistic.

In this game all you have to do as Russians is build loads of flak units - you do not need an air force at all.

Just offering this up there is a lot to like on the ground combat front

[Joel Billings]

Not all the flak guns that are overflown are assumed to have fired, but the system accumulates the flak value of all of the various weapons overflown. Flak in the target hex are the most important.

[Cavalry Corp]

Ok thanks for that - hope its sorted one way or another.

[rocketman71]

ORIGINAL: Zovs

I finding that if you really manage your air assets the losses will be attritional over time, the extreme is when you run any AD and only use Auto(Auto) you'll get butchered.

Here is turn 10 of my solo test game against the AI on 115.

Axis
Total Losses
2013
Operational Losses
523
Flak Losses
979
Air Combat Losses
511

Soviet
Total Losses
8449
Operational Losses
453
Flak Losses
292
Air Combat Losses
3378
Lost on the Ground
4326


Axis odds ratio

Operational to Flak Losses
1.8719

Operational to A2A Losses
0.9771

Flak to A2A Losses
0.5263

Soviet odds ratio

Operational to Flak Losses
0.6446

Operational to A2A Losses
7.4570

Flak to A2A Losses
11.5685

Flak to Lost on the Ground
14.8151

Operational to Lost on the Ground
9.5497


Axis to Soviet odds ratios

Operational Losses
0.2064

Flak Losses
0.0711

A2A Losses
1.5750


I am no mathematician but the numbers don't seem too excessive, you can see where I lost those 979 recon planes to high flak. I used Auto(Auto) with an area of 3-5 and got butchered by flak.

Source:
https://www.medcalc.org/calc/odds_ratio.php

So, if I do things manually to avoid flak losses, what would your main recommendations/pointers be to keep in mind when creating air directives?

[Zovs]

It depends on the AD really, but it also depends on the number of aircraft flying, the more it sends the more potential losses. For example if 500 planes fly expect more ops, flak and a2a losses.

[malyhin1517]

The link on the forum and on the website for patch 1.02.13 does not work!

[Denniss]

Name was changed now suggesting an official non-beta patch
https://ftp.matrixgames.com/pub/WarInTh ... .02.13.zip

[malyhin1517]

ORIGINAL: Denniss

Name was changed now suggesting an official non-beta patch
https://ftp.matrixgames.com/pub/WarInTh ... .02.13.zip

There is no such information on the game's website and the link does not work there either.

[Erik Rutins]

This has been replaced by the 1.02.13 official update, which is now available.

[jubjub]

Also added a chance for indirect fire weapons to participate in hasty attacks (on both sides). If they participate, their rate of fire will be greatly reduced.

Quick question about self propelled artillery. Do they gain additional benefits over towed arty in hasty attacks? Also, do they have better performance in general? For example, are they less susceptible to counter battery?

[jubjub]

ORIGINAL: jubjub

Also added a chance for indirect fire weapons to participate in hasty attacks (on both sides). If they participate, their rate of fire will be greatly reduced.

Quick question about self propelled artillery. Do they gain additional benefits over towed arty in hasty attacks? Also, do they have better performance in general? For example, are they less susceptible to counter battery?

Bump. I'm very curious about this.

[Joel Billings]

IIRC, motorized artillery has a bonus in terms of their chance of getting committed into a battle. As for the actual combat calculations, I'm not sure.

[Stamb]

ORIGINAL: Joel Billings

IIRC, motorized artillery has a bonus in terms of their chance of getting committed into a battle.
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Any battle or only for a hasty attacks?

[jubjub]

IIRC, motorized artillery has a bonus in terms of their chance of getting committed into a battle. As for the actual combat calculations, I'm not sure.

That's just for SU commitments right? Some of them already get armor protection, but it seems like SP artillery elements should get other combat bonuses due to their improved mobility over towed artillery. Probably not the most important item in the grand scheme of things, but I think it'd be neat to see.