Summer 42: Fall Blau - GC41 Rosencrantus (A) vs Tyronec, jubjub (S)
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Re: An Opportunity for Payback - GC41 Rosencrantus (A) vs Tyronec (S)
AGN:
PG 4 pushes towards Novgorod in an attempt to out flank the Soviet units in the well dug in terrain. The most important part of maintaining a steady advance especially in the north with the rough terrain is to ensure that many units are resting and that you use ZOC and terrain to hold whatever gains you get.
AGS:
PG1 fans out into ukraine. The encirclement at Vinnitsa is cleared. 60,000 men lost. See how many units are resting. Looking back now, I honestly think I might have left my panzer units a bit too vulnerable at the front as they are in regiments... But I believed that GS would save the day against any Soviet offensive.
PG 4 pushes towards Novgorod in an attempt to out flank the Soviet units in the well dug in terrain. The most important part of maintaining a steady advance especially in the north with the rough terrain is to ensure that many units are resting and that you use ZOC and terrain to hold whatever gains you get.
AGS:
PG1 fans out into ukraine. The encirclement at Vinnitsa is cleared. 60,000 men lost. See how many units are resting. Looking back now, I honestly think I might have left my panzer units a bit too vulnerable at the front as they are in regiments... But I believed that GS would save the day against any Soviet offensive.
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Re: An Opportunity for Payback - GC41 Rosencrantus (A) vs Tyronec (S)
AGA:
Odessa is placed under siege by Army Group Antonescu. Naval only bombers have already been relocated from LF1 to LF4. AS and NP directives begin this turn in the hopes of securing isolation and taking the city in one fell swoop next turn.
Losses: Forgot to take a screenshot of the air losses but they are substantially lower than the previous turn, around 100-125 total probably. Ground losses are another story, with the combat around the front and the encirclements being cleared, the Soviets suffered a total of 284,147 losses, 236,922 being permanent losses.
Odessa is placed under siege by Army Group Antonescu. Naval only bombers have already been relocated from LF1 to LF4. AS and NP directives begin this turn in the hopes of securing isolation and taking the city in one fell swoop next turn.
Losses: Forgot to take a screenshot of the air losses but they are substantially lower than the previous turn, around 100-125 total probably. Ground losses are another story, with the combat around the front and the encirclements being cleared, the Soviets suffered a total of 284,147 losses, 236,922 being permanent losses.
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Re: An Opportunity for Payback - GC41 Rosencrantus (A) vs Tyronec (S)
T6 - July 27, 1941
AGC:
Tyronec was probably expecting a drive towards Moscow, and as a result a panzer corps breaks out into the open towards the south. From my experience in every competitive AAR that I've read, every immediate drive on Moscow gets stalled from the difficult terrain and the overextended flanks. With the very stubborn Soviet resistance in the South, I decided instead to send PG2 south in the clear terrain to outflank the Soviets on the Dniper river and open up the map for a drive on all the city objectives in the South (Orel - Stalino line) and perhaps even Moscow later on...
Gomel was also taken.
AGN:
PG1 secures more double rail line and I managed to capture my primary objective for the turn, Luga. I even got my secondary objective, Novgorod.
AGC:
Tyronec was probably expecting a drive towards Moscow, and as a result a panzer corps breaks out into the open towards the south. From my experience in every competitive AAR that I've read, every immediate drive on Moscow gets stalled from the difficult terrain and the overextended flanks. With the very stubborn Soviet resistance in the South, I decided instead to send PG2 south in the clear terrain to outflank the Soviets on the Dniper river and open up the map for a drive on all the city objectives in the South (Orel - Stalino line) and perhaps even Moscow later on...
Gomel was also taken.
AGN:
PG1 secures more double rail line and I managed to capture my primary objective for the turn, Luga. I even got my secondary objective, Novgorod.
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Re: An Opportunity for Payback - GC41 Rosencrantus (A) vs Tyronec (S)
The city of Velikie Luki is taken. An FBD unit will soon be spared to repair the double rail line to the city.
Speaking of rail lines, the R.A.D units have repaired major parts of the rail network in the north. I also sent the FBD4 to Dno instead of the main double rail line to maximise the amount of important rail repaired as the unit wouldn't get admin movement for a lot of the newly occupied hexes.
Speaking of rail lines, the R.A.D units have repaired major parts of the rail network in the north. I also sent the FBD4 to Dno instead of the main double rail line to maximise the amount of important rail repaired as the unit wouldn't get admin movement for a lot of the newly occupied hexes.
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Re: An Opportunity for Payback - GC41 Rosencrantus (A) vs Tyronec (S)
AGS:
PG1 continues advance into Ukraine and infantry reaches Kiev but finds it heavily defended. At this point I was beginning to worry a bit as I only ever advanced as far as he retreated. I'm gaining territory yes, but I am fighting on his terms and as the Axis you need to take the initiative as much as possible to maximise your 41 campaign.
AGA:
The VVS breaks the isolation attempt of Odessa, the LW makes another effort to isolate the city while 11A and 4th Rum. Army are resting and preparing for the assault.
PG1 continues advance into Ukraine and infantry reaches Kiev but finds it heavily defended. At this point I was beginning to worry a bit as I only ever advanced as far as he retreated. I'm gaining territory yes, but I am fighting on his terms and as the Axis you need to take the initiative as much as possible to maximise your 41 campaign.
AGA:
The VVS breaks the isolation attempt of Odessa, the LW makes another effort to isolate the city while 11A and 4th Rum. Army are resting and preparing for the assault.
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Re: An Opportunity for Payback - GC41 Rosencrantus (A) vs Tyronec (S)
State of the Front:
Here's the image of the front at the end of turn 6. Very good progress, but the rapid advance have left my supply lines extremely overstretched. The only respite I get is the fact that most of the supply comes from only a few depots so hopefully these issues resolve once I get more rail repaired.
Here's the image of the front at the end of turn 6. Very good progress, but the rapid advance have left my supply lines extremely overstretched. The only respite I get is the fact that most of the supply comes from only a few depots so hopefully these issues resolve once I get more rail repaired.
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Re: An Opportunity for Payback - GC41 Rosencrantus (A) vs Tyronec (S)
T9 - August 17, 1941
AGC:
With the diverting of PG2 to the south a huge salient has been formed between AGS and AGC. History is about to repeat itself as PG2 and PG1 encircle massive amounts of troops near Kiev. At least 20 divisions. This definitely could have been avoided if I haven't gotten significant ground past the Dnieper in the south but Tyronec abandoned the river positions as soon as I grabbed a hex over the river, a bit early in my opinion. Stuffing the bridgehead and preventing a breakout from the one hex would have allowed him to hold the river positions longer, in my opinion at least.
Soviets also launch their first major counter-attack of the war, coincidentally at Yelnya. I have temporarily halted the advance to Moscow sending a panzer corps of PG3 to the North and one to PG2 back around T7.
AGC:
With the diverting of PG2 to the south a huge salient has been formed between AGS and AGC. History is about to repeat itself as PG2 and PG1 encircle massive amounts of troops near Kiev. At least 20 divisions. This definitely could have been avoided if I haven't gotten significant ground past the Dnieper in the south but Tyronec abandoned the river positions as soon as I grabbed a hex over the river, a bit early in my opinion. Stuffing the bridgehead and preventing a breakout from the one hex would have allowed him to hold the river positions longer, in my opinion at least.
Soviets also launch their first major counter-attack of the war, coincidentally at Yelnya. I have temporarily halted the advance to Moscow sending a panzer corps of PG3 to the North and one to PG2 back around T7.
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Re: An Opportunity for Payback - GC41 Rosencrantus (A) vs Tyronec (S)
AGN:
4 more Soviet divisions will be encircled next turn as they have been ZOCed in AGN.
So far supply has been ok for now as I just super depoted at Gomel and due to the now slow advance in the north, FBD4 from AGN has been relocated to repair the Gomel-Kursk line. With FBD2 repairing from Gomel-Orel. All rail repairs in the North now will be handled by the R.A.D groups.
4 more Soviet divisions will be encircled next turn as they have been ZOCed in AGN.
So far supply has been ok for now as I just super depoted at Gomel and due to the now slow advance in the north, FBD4 from AGN has been relocated to repair the Gomel-Kursk line. With FBD2 repairing from Gomel-Orel. All rail repairs in the North now will be handled by the R.A.D groups.
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Re: An Opportunity for Payback - GC41 Rosencrantus (A) vs Tyronec (S)
T11 - August 31, 1941
AGC:
The Kiev pocket can finally begin to be cleared and significant surrenders are secured. The panzer corps sent to PG 2 from PG3 is returned in preparation for Op. Typhoon. PG2 and 4th Army are able to encircle Bryansk. Practically all of AGC will be resting for CPP and gathering supplies for the next few turns until the final phase of Barbarossa commences with the final target being Moscow and all the cities surrounding it: Rzhev, Kalinin, Orel, Tula.
AGS:
AGS meets weak opposition with the destruction of so many divisions in the South and are already at the gates of Kharkov.
AGN:
40,000 men are captured in the 4 division pocket formed from AGN. PG4 captured Kolpino and is inching towards cutting Leningrad off by land.
Losses:
With so many surrenders being secured this turn, Soviet losses are very high, see for yourself.
AGC:
The Kiev pocket can finally begin to be cleared and significant surrenders are secured. The panzer corps sent to PG 2 from PG3 is returned in preparation for Op. Typhoon. PG2 and 4th Army are able to encircle Bryansk. Practically all of AGC will be resting for CPP and gathering supplies for the next few turns until the final phase of Barbarossa commences with the final target being Moscow and all the cities surrounding it: Rzhev, Kalinin, Orel, Tula.
AGS:
AGS meets weak opposition with the destruction of so many divisions in the South and are already at the gates of Kharkov.
AGN:
40,000 men are captured in the 4 division pocket formed from AGN. PG4 captured Kolpino and is inching towards cutting Leningrad off by land.
Losses:
With so many surrenders being secured this turn, Soviet losses are very high, see for yourself.
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Re: An Opportunity for Payback - GC41 Rosencrantus (A) vs Tyronec (S)
agree, seems you have managed that hard balancing act of keeping the Soviets off balance, lots of pockets and a decent supply net ...chapeau
Re: An Opportunity for Payback - GC41 Rosencrantus (A) vs Tyronec (S)
Yes Rosencrantus has outplayed me this game with a couple of large pockets keeping the Soviet army below 3M throughout the summer. I think my chances of survival are slim but will play on to see what happens.
The lark, signing its chirping hymn,
Soars high above the clouds;
Meanwhile, the nightingale intones
With sweet, mellifluous sounds.
Enough of Stalin, Freedom for the Ukraine !
Soars high above the clouds;
Meanwhile, the nightingale intones
With sweet, mellifluous sounds.
Enough of Stalin, Freedom for the Ukraine !
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Re: An Opportunity for Payback - GC41 Rosencrantus (A) vs Tyronec (S)
I think you overestimate German logistics my friendtyronec wrote: Sun Jun 05, 2022 6:48 am Yes Rosencrantus has outplayed me this game with a couple of large pockets keeping the Soviet army below 3M throughout the summer. I think my chances of survival are slim but will play on to see what happens.
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Re: An Opportunity for Payback - GC41 Rosencrantus (A) vs Tyronec (S)
T13 - September 14, 1941:
Operation Typhoon:
Here is a breakdown of the forces at the beginning of Typhoon, the final phase of the 41 campaigning season. I am starting it 2 turns earlier than historically, hopefully that'll give me more time to hurt the red army before the October mud comes around.
AGC:
AGC consists of 1,126,535 men, 10,638 guns, and 2,212 AFVs. PG2 will push for Orel, Tula and beyond while PG3 will be leading the main thrust towards Rzhev, Kalinin, and Moscow. They consist of 791 AFV's and 1,371 AFV's respectively. The main goal is to have both PGs linked up an encirclement at Moscow but that is very optimistic. In addition the panzer divisions sent from PG3 to PG4 have been/is returning to PG3.
AGC is supported by Luftflotte 2's 765 aircraft consisting of 225 fighter aircraft, 400 bombers, and 140 support aircraft.
AGN's 16th Army also is holding AGC's northern flank while AGS's 2nd Army is holding the southern flank.
Logistics for AGC are fine right now (but a struggle elsewhere), as FBDs have been allocated to make super depots. This will change once more rail needs to be repaired.
Let this final decisive campaign begin.
Operation Typhoon:
Here is a breakdown of the forces at the beginning of Typhoon, the final phase of the 41 campaigning season. I am starting it 2 turns earlier than historically, hopefully that'll give me more time to hurt the red army before the October mud comes around.
AGC:
AGC consists of 1,126,535 men, 10,638 guns, and 2,212 AFVs. PG2 will push for Orel, Tula and beyond while PG3 will be leading the main thrust towards Rzhev, Kalinin, and Moscow. They consist of 791 AFV's and 1,371 AFV's respectively. The main goal is to have both PGs linked up an encirclement at Moscow but that is very optimistic. In addition the panzer divisions sent from PG3 to PG4 have been/is returning to PG3.
AGC is supported by Luftflotte 2's 765 aircraft consisting of 225 fighter aircraft, 400 bombers, and 140 support aircraft.
AGN's 16th Army also is holding AGC's northern flank while AGS's 2nd Army is holding the southern flank.
Logistics for AGC are fine right now (but a struggle elsewhere), as FBDs have been allocated to make super depots. This will change once more rail needs to be repaired.
Let this final decisive campaign begin.
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Re: An Opportunity for Payback - GC41 Rosencrantus (A) vs Tyronec (S)
Hi Rosencrantus,
Appreciate the update. What's the situation with AG North?
Appreciate the update. What's the situation with AG North?
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Re: An Opportunity for Payback - GC41 Rosencrantus (A) vs Tyronec (S)
Air Phase and Battle:
Air reconnaissance reveals that Soviet forces are quite in depth and in entrenched positions near vyazma while the south of Orel is much more scarcely defended.
Smolensk - Moscow axis:
However my infantry divisions have rested for a few turns and are more than capable of defeating the entrenched units along with their reserve activations. Still the depth of the Soviet defenses PG3 is facing prevents a breakthrough and my encirclement south of Vyazma fails. Soviet armour takes a heavy beating though.
Bryansk - Tula Axis:
PG2 breakthrough the Soviet line out into the plains near Orel and surround the city. I'm hoping that I can outflank the Soviets in the strong defensive terrain north of Bryansk and force them to give up those positions.
Air reconnaissance reveals that Soviet forces are quite in depth and in entrenched positions near vyazma while the south of Orel is much more scarcely defended.
Smolensk - Moscow axis:
However my infantry divisions have rested for a few turns and are more than capable of defeating the entrenched units along with their reserve activations. Still the depth of the Soviet defenses PG3 is facing prevents a breakthrough and my encirclement south of Vyazma fails. Soviet armour takes a heavy beating though.
Bryansk - Tula Axis:
PG2 breakthrough the Soviet line out into the plains near Orel and surround the city. I'm hoping that I can outflank the Soviets in the strong defensive terrain north of Bryansk and force them to give up those positions.
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Re: An Opportunity for Payback - GC41 Rosencrantus (A) vs Tyronec (S)
AGN:
Pushkin has been taken after a ferocious battle. Logistics here are starting to become a real pain, there is simply not enough freight being sent in. Despite this AGN is making progress towards cutting off Leningrad via Shlisselburg.
AGS:
AGS captures Kharkov after finding it abandoned and is rushing a FBD to its level 9 railyard. PG1 pushes towards Stalino.
AGS:
AGS captures Kharkov after finding it abandoned and is rushing a FBD to its level 9 railyard. PG1 pushes towards Stalino.
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Re: An Opportunity for Payback - GC41 Rosencrantus (A) vs Tyronec (S)
AGA:
Here's an update on Crimea and the battles of 4th Rum. Army and 11th Armee.
Both the choke points at entrance of the peninsula have been soundly defeated by my divisions I have been resting for turns to get up to near 100 CPP along with massive amounts of GS. I've also allocated both the Hungarian motorised brigades to the advance to ensure that I have at least some motorised troops in the area.
Quick question, would Hungarian units be able to help out Romanian units in a reserve activation or vice versa? I'm not exactly sure if a reserve pop makes the unit essentially on the same hex as the unit being reinforced.
Losses:
With the intensity of the fighting picking up again, losses have shot up, 201 AFV's were lost and 340 aircraft lost. (Don't have a screenshot forgot to take one
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Soviet AFV losses were 1,295.
Here's an update on Crimea and the battles of 4th Rum. Army and 11th Armee.
Both the choke points at entrance of the peninsula have been soundly defeated by my divisions I have been resting for turns to get up to near 100 CPP along with massive amounts of GS. I've also allocated both the Hungarian motorised brigades to the advance to ensure that I have at least some motorised troops in the area.
Quick question, would Hungarian units be able to help out Romanian units in a reserve activation or vice versa? I'm not exactly sure if a reserve pop makes the unit essentially on the same hex as the unit being reinforced.
Losses:
With the intensity of the fighting picking up again, losses have shot up, 201 AFV's were lost and 340 aircraft lost. (Don't have a screenshot forgot to take one
Soviet AFV losses were 1,295.
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Re: An Opportunity for Payback - GC41 Rosencrantus (A) vs Tyronec (S)
T14 - September 21, 1941
AGC:
Smolensk - Moscow axis:
Heavy fighting continues, some units were left in the salient that formed the turn earlier and a pocket of 4 divisions have been created. At this point I was getting a bit worried as the Soviet line has withstood 2 turns of all out assault and a real breakthrough hasn't even happened yet.
Orel - Tula axis:
As hoped, the Soviet positions north of Bryansk have been abandoned and I march over their former positions freely. PG2 continues the advance towards Tula knocking aside any screening forces. Orel has also been captured.
AGS:
A panzer corps of PG1 breakthroughs a portion of the line in front of Stalino, outflanking the forces north and south of them. I expected Tyronec to withdraw to the river line at Stalino.
Losses:
Losses to be frank, are quite high, for both sides. This turn alone I lost 20% of my total AFV losses this entire campaign and suffered the most amount of men killed. Soviets aren't doing so amazing either, they lost 1,314 AFVs and have lost over 130k men. Fighter shortages in AGN also led to substantial bomber assets being shot down during a GS mission.
AGC:
Smolensk - Moscow axis:
Heavy fighting continues, some units were left in the salient that formed the turn earlier and a pocket of 4 divisions have been created. At this point I was getting a bit worried as the Soviet line has withstood 2 turns of all out assault and a real breakthrough hasn't even happened yet.
Orel - Tula axis:
As hoped, the Soviet positions north of Bryansk have been abandoned and I march over their former positions freely. PG2 continues the advance towards Tula knocking aside any screening forces. Orel has also been captured.
AGS:
A panzer corps of PG1 breakthroughs a portion of the line in front of Stalino, outflanking the forces north and south of them. I expected Tyronec to withdraw to the river line at Stalino.
Losses:
Losses to be frank, are quite high, for both sides. This turn alone I lost 20% of my total AFV losses this entire campaign and suffered the most amount of men killed. Soviets aren't doing so amazing either, they lost 1,314 AFVs and have lost over 130k men. Fighter shortages in AGN also led to substantial bomber assets being shot down during a GS mission.
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Re: An Opportunity for Payback - GC41 Rosencrantus (A) vs Tyronec (S)
T15 - September 28, 1941
AGC:
Smolensk - Moscow:
Soviets must have been feeling the pressure from the relentless attacks the previous 2 turns. They abandon Vyazma and when a panzer corps drive on Rzhev they find it lightly defended and seize it. Supply is alright for PG3.
Orel - Tula:
Forward forces cross the Ula river while majority of PG2 rest for the turn. Supply issues are now beginning to seriously cripple my advance, my units are set on priority 2 and still even meeting the needs set for that level.
Let's take a look at my rail net.
This game I prioritized pushing rail as far as possible, while repairing as many lvl2+ railyards when they weren't out of the way.
AGN:
R.A.D units have been dealing with rail repairs for AGN since about T7. It was a pain in the beginning as AGN advance was still relatively quick, but with the now slower advance, the extra FBD repairing rail elsewhere at a rapid pace in my opinion is well worth it. All the intact rail in the baltics have now been repaired by R.A.Ds into a pretty good rail network.
AGC:
The FBD from AGN was sent to repair the Gomel - Kursk line and afterwards can be sent anywhere to repair more rail.
AGS:
Note as Kiev was too large of a diversion from the main double rail leading to D-town, a single R.A.D unit repaired the rail to Kiev slowly over the turns.
Now that we are on T21 (which I'll show later), I am quite happy with my rail network with the rail connections between army groups being the only real rail network issues I have yet to fix.
AGC:
Smolensk - Moscow:
Soviets must have been feeling the pressure from the relentless attacks the previous 2 turns. They abandon Vyazma and when a panzer corps drive on Rzhev they find it lightly defended and seize it. Supply is alright for PG3.
Orel - Tula:
Forward forces cross the Ula river while majority of PG2 rest for the turn. Supply issues are now beginning to seriously cripple my advance, my units are set on priority 2 and still even meeting the needs set for that level.
Let's take a look at my rail net.
This game I prioritized pushing rail as far as possible, while repairing as many lvl2+ railyards when they weren't out of the way.
AGN:
R.A.D units have been dealing with rail repairs for AGN since about T7. It was a pain in the beginning as AGN advance was still relatively quick, but with the now slower advance, the extra FBD repairing rail elsewhere at a rapid pace in my opinion is well worth it. All the intact rail in the baltics have now been repaired by R.A.Ds into a pretty good rail network.
AGC:
The FBD from AGN was sent to repair the Gomel - Kursk line and afterwards can be sent anywhere to repair more rail.
AGS:
Note as Kiev was too large of a diversion from the main double rail leading to D-town, a single R.A.D unit repaired the rail to Kiev slowly over the turns.
Now that we are on T21 (which I'll show later), I am quite happy with my rail network with the rail connections between army groups being the only real rail network issues I have yet to fix.
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