Thanks for the info.
I actually think they have both the fronts and the Victory serie. They also have the one on the battle of Quebec. I think i'll grab that one since its where I live
They deluxe modules for ASL were pretty expensive when I saw them in the store. And the fact that I would have to pay in canadian dollar will only make it seem even more expensive. But i'm a crazy and impulsive buyer, go shopping for books, movies, music and games pretty much once a week. Which is why i'm afraid of internet shopping, wont be able to stop
The deluxe modules were an experiment that was judged not quite worthy actually.
They made two modules, one for Stalingrad and for Normandy.
All you really were getting was 4 maps of two panels each in the box. They featured friggin enormous hexes and that was it.
For a bit you could get leads that were actually scaled to meet the scale of the hex. I have a Tiger that has all the detail of a Tamiya 1/35th scale model. Truely stunning.
But deluxe just didn't fly with the core crowd enough to sell.
I of course have them because in the 80s I had a real job a real income and nothing to spend it on much heheh. God I miss the 80's.
I LIKE that my life bothers them,
Why should I be the only one bothered by it eh.
I'm having a difficult inner struggle now. I checked on ebay for ASL stuff. And found one guy offering this:
Original Squad Leader Game, partly punched, complete, with ASL boards 1-4
Cross of Iron, complete, unpunched, with ASL board 5
Crescendo of Doom, complete, unpunched, with ASL boards 6 and 7
Original ASL Rules Set in hard box and jacket, sl worn, including all charts And tables and chapters A through G.
ASL Rules Second Edition, opened once for inspection only, new and Complete in hard cover binder. (No hard jacket was issued for this)
ASL Hard Cover Jacket and Box, Worn, with the following:
Chapter H with vehicle/ordinance notes for German, Russian, British American, Italian, Chinese, French, Japanese
Chapter J Deluxe ASL
Chapter K Squad Leader Training Manual
Chapter N Armory, with reduced pics of all counter sheets
Chapter O Red Barricades Chapter for HASL 1. (Map is in box and Scenarios are in next item in this list)
Chapter P Kampfgruppe Peiper chapter, (Map and scenarios as above)
ASL Hard Cover Jacket/ Box , New, with Scenarios in plastic sheet protectors:
ASL Scenarios 1-82
Red Barricades Scenarios RB 1 - 5
Deluxe ASL Scenarios 1 - 18
Kampfgruppe Peiper Scenarios 1 - 4
Leatherneck USMC/Japanese Scenarios 1 - 13 by SS Bar Enterprises
Jatkosota Scenarios for Russo Finnish War 8 scenarios plus counters
And Finnish Vehicle Notes , by Critical Hit.
Aussie Rout Pack 1, with 8 scenarios
Aussie Rout Pack 2, with 10 scenarios
ASL 96 Pack by Australian Paddington Bears 10 scenarios
Windy City Wargamers with 10 scenarios
ASL Hard Cover Jacket/Box, new with:
Platoon Leader Campaign Scenarios A - E
Operations of the SS Panzer Abteilung 102 in the Normandy Campaign By Critical Hit, scenarios and large color overlay
Time On Target Issue 2 Dec 95 April 1945 at the Sharp End 32 scenarios, 32 hard counters, and overlay
Beyond Valor Module 1
Paratrooper Module 2
Yanks Module 3
Partisan Module 4
West of Alamein Module 5
Last Hurrah Module 6
Hollow Legions Module 7 (May be missing a few infantry counters, but all Counter values are there.)
Code of Bushido Module 8
Gung Ho Module 9 (Chinese Counters unpunched)
Croix de Guerre The French Module 10
Streets of Fire DASL Module 1
Hedgerow Hell DASL Module 2
Red Barricades ASL Historical Module 1
Kampgruppe Peiper 1- Historical Module 2
Kampfgruppe Peiper 2 Historical Module 3, Open, Unpunched, Complete
Doomed Battalions Module 11, Opened, Unpunched, Complete
Pegasus Bridge ASL Historical Module 4, Open, Unpunched, Complete
Blood Reef Tarawa ASL Historical Module 5, Opened, Unpunched, Complete
A Bridge Too Far ASL Historical Module 6, Open, Unpunched, Complete
Operation Watchtower Guadalcanal, Historical Study 1, Open, Unpunched, Complete
ASL Action Pack 1, with boards 42 and 43
Rare 5 X 6 ASL vehicle cards for German, Russian, British and American AFV's
ASL Action Pack 2 complete with 8 scenarios and boards 46 and 47
Dzerhezinsky Tractor Works by Critical hit. Scenarios and map for more Stalingrad battles
Time On Target No. 3 Rare German Vehicles, Hard Counters, 13 Scenarios And Chapter H Supplemental
Euro Pack IV War in North Africa with 8 Desert Scenarios
Oaf Pack 1 - 10 more scenarios
Critical Hit Revised and Updated ASL Index
Photocopy of Schwerpunkt Oct 98 Magazine
All this in one bundle. Part of my brain scream "I want it!". But another is paranoid about ebay since I have never used it, and it would be a very big spending. So far the bets arent that high, guess i'll wait a few days to see how high it climbs.
Ok that is nearly a complete and total and absolutely full set of the whole enchilada.
The only real question before you is this.
Will anyone kill you if you bought it
And of course....
Will you end up being just another person on eBay selling a list that mirrors this one in 6 months to a year?
I am not even going to try to hazard a guess at the shipping cost, it would fill quite the hefty box easily, and those boxes will be heavy eh.
If I had a choice to buy this, and I had the capacity to casually buy say a new computer, or any other purchase ranging from 1000 to 2000 Canadian cash, it might be possible.
But I own all of ASL and I actually know my chances of getting into ASL if I was just staring today.
On my income, the answer is Zero!
There really is only one real tangible perk to owning a complete set of ASL. You can basically laugh and not care a whit if your computer blows up tomorrow leaving you with only ASL to play.
If I had to save all my wargames and my computer system, OR just my ASL and I had to choose one or the other, the choice would be ASL and I would not need a moment to think about it.
The only thing not there is the Annuals and the Journals.
I LIKE that my life bothers them,
Why should I be the only one bothered by it eh.
Like I said, i'm a very impusive buyer, and i'm lucky enough to be able to afford my current lifestyle, which includes restaurent food every day. And since I started to collect wargames, ASL is one of those that I feel I need in my collection. But like I said, I will wait and see how high the price climbs, there are still 5 days left to the auction. The shipping price is high, but it weights a lot, and thats understandable. My main concern isnt really the money, but my paranoid mind who has a hard time trusting online stores and auctions.
As for the annuals and journals, the same guy is selling them in their own auctions. Probably because they are the things that poeple are looking for the most on ebay.
There, sent it to you. Not that its hard to find, it pops up in your face with just the right search. But i'm not gonna make it easier to other potential buyers.
Shipping is gonna be 75$. Its the price UPS gave the guy for a package that weights 90 pounds. Big box
Originally posted by Fredflak My main concern isnt really the money, but my paranoid mind who has a hard time trusting online stores and auctions.
Hmmm, my wife uses Ebay all the time and has never had a problem.
But that does not mean that you won't. Have you checked the person's record. Has he sold anything on Ebay before, chances are that if the answer to the second is yes and no-one has made a bad comment about him, then he is genuine.
On another note, if he was in the business of ripping you/others off, he has certainly done his homework to piece that lot all together.
My gut instinct is he is genuine, but you gotta make your own decision buddy.
Well I just noticed something that closes the deal for me. Didn't really pay attention before, but I saw that he will ship only to the US, and well... I don't live there. There's another set for sales tho, much less but with only the core modules. And this one will ship outside of the states. Still not decided anyway.
Hey Fred Quebec City is not all that far from the US border eh, surely for the right deal you can locate a "spot" to have a parcel dropped off at within reasonable distance.
Might take some imagination, but the price if right is hard to pass up on.
Sometimes people really do just turf things they no longer want and for peanuts.
Got me two boxes of models here shipped to me their expense just cause he was being nice and all (which is soooooo much more convincing than comments to the contrary whether there are people out there that like my posts hehe).
Myself, I discovered the "ultimate" rolegame design a few years ago (well at the time I thought it was). Sadly now in retrospect, I sold off the entirety of my AD&D 2nd Edition inventory including a massive sum of Forgotten realms materials/modules for basically give away prices to local friends.
Only now do I see how dumb I was, the stuff has become sought after collectors items. Oh well.
But yep, people sometimes sell things for way below what the market considers them to be worth.
I know of a couple of people in the US though, people I call reliable friends. I routinely interact with them. While Matrix games is rapidly getting their foot in the door outside the US, I still find using creative mail options a good idea.
I LIKE that my life bothers them,
Why should I be the only one bothered by it eh.
Yeah, I checked their web site first when I was looking for it. But they have been out of stock on some of the things I want for quite some time. Including the most important part, the rules.
Fredflak wrote:I'm having a difficult inner struggle now. I checked on ebay for ASL stuff. And found one guy offering this:
etc. etc. etc. ....
All this in one bundle. Part of my brain scream "I want it!". But another is paranoid about ebay since I have never used it, and it would be a very big spending. So far the bets arent that high, guess i'll wait a few days to see how high it climbs.
Just curious. What did the guy put down for his opening bid? How high has the bidding gotten?
“You're only young once but you can be immature for as long as you want”
Fredflak wrote:Yeah, I checked their web site first when I was looking for it. But they have been out of stock on some of the things I want for quite some time. Including the most important part, the rules.
Multi-Man impresses me as a shoestring operation trying desperately to stay alive.
Fred, I have found eBay to be a pretty good place to do business (at least in the wargames area), as long as you're careful. Some sellers will deliver less than what you think they advertised (incomplete games, for example), but seldom blatantly lie about it (they just neglect to say that the game is complete). Look for statements about the condition of the merchandise (unpunched, still in shrinkwrap, complete, and so on) and you can pretty generally rely on what they say. If a statement you're looking for is missing, e-mail the seller to get clarification. Whatever you do, don't assume anything.
So don't trust 'em, but don't be too wary, either. The feedback system is a pretty good indicator of how reliable people are, and eBay has a short fuse for bad sellers, as well.
The part of eBay I like least is the adherence to a timed auction system. What happens is that the wiliest bidders will hang back until right at the end, then stick in bids within the last few seconds that leave you out in the cold on an item you might really have wanted. Some people have software that allows them to do this with lightning speed (my guess is that it's a series of macro executions in which the bid amount is embedded).
Another little tip is to look for merchandise you want in auctions that don't end on Saturday or Sunday. There are fewer bidders during the week, and sometimes you can pick up a bargain. Of course, the experienced sellers are aware of this and arrange their auctions accordingly.
I went to eBay to round out my collection and now see very little of interest there, having bought pretty much what I wanted.
Put my faith in the people
And the people let me down.
So, I turned the other way,
And I carry on anyhow.
No reserve and the bidding is at 389 as this is written; I believe that was the one and opening bid.
Sing to the tune of "Man on the Flying Trapeze" ..Oh! We fly o'er the treetops with inches to spare,
There's smoke in the cockpit and gray in my hair.
The tracers look fine as a strafin' we go.
But, brother, we're TOO God damn low...
pasternakski wrote:Multi-Man impresses me as a shoestring operation trying desperately to stay alive.
No more so than any other existing board wargame company. Nearly everyone involved in running these companies also has a "real job" not related to wargaming. MMP is probably in better shape than most, simply because there's always the chance that Curt Schilling will bail them out if need be.
MMP is a healthy business guys, what is not really known, or perhaps not entirely obvious, is during 2002 for the most part possibly a lot of work was done, 2001 as well (who knows maybe early I am not the owner).
They just didn't take over ASL from a dying business on behalf of Hasbro, they had to take a game as massive as ASL (and lets face it can you think of a bigger game than ASL?) and completely re establish it with new printers.
No small task. Picture that under that light, and they did an awesome amount of work in 2002.
2003 has seen them up and releasing entirely new product that hadn't even existed, plus they have re established the Journal to take over for the original Annuals.
Additionally, they are more than ASL.
But it does take a bit of luck under even ideal conditions to read supply and demand correctly. So I am not concerned that ASL Rule book 2nd Edition sold out in short order. Actually that is a good sign, it means there is no shortage of aggressive ASL playing people out there.
I would not call them shoestring and desperate, just a small business with a major product and a large demand.
I won't be passing judgement on MMP till the end of 2005.
I LIKE that my life bothers them,
Why should I be the only one bothered by it eh.
