Those WitP playtesters not qualified to test the product

[tiredoftryingnames]

1. It's a good thing your opinion doesn't matter and nobody takes you serious or else I might be worried about my performance as a beta tester. Since Kid and Matrix Games seems to be happy, my fellow testers and I must be doing something right. If not agreeing with you makes us bad testers then sign me up for Worst Tester of the Century.

2. If you think you'd be better qualified based on the posts I've read from you I think you should receive the Forum Comedy Award.

3. You can only pull the trigger when you're in charge of something. So go start your own company, design a game, hire us as playtesters (like we'd work for you and your version of a game but that point is moot) and then you can pull the trigger. Until that happens you're just trolling with no net.

4. Do you want to be a beta tester when you're all grown up? Or is posting useless drivel and insults just to be annoying something you've been training for?

5. Oh look at the time. Time for me to go open up WITP again and stare at my screen befuddled.

[Luskan]

I've been so good with the not flaming and not trolling lately I think it is ok if I indulge myself just this once . . .

For starters - Mr Frag: Now some reality back at you: You're still Canadian

And now the main - seeing as TJ told me I wasn't qualified to be a beta tester, wasn't a thinker and wasn't a writer all in the same post (I was trying to be civil, but I'll admit I'm not very good at it) I'm amazed that I STILL didn't make the list. Must be doing something wrong.

As for my un-qualifications, I've actually beta tested 6 other games, have a little coding experience and 2 degrees (one is even in history - although in Australia these days this probably would only get me a job either cleaning windscreens or polishing boots!) and I'm still not qualified enough? Now before this thread turns into a penis measuring competition I'd like to direct it in a completely new direction. I'd like to ignore who has the biggest brain, sexiest girl (or boy if you prefer), wittiest turn of phrase or most anal nitpicking fun-killing thought process . . . and instead lets examine the finer qualities in life, such as charm, tact and good old D&D positive charisma values.

TJ: I posted a while ago in your submarine warfare thread and I tried to be nice and appeal to your better nature to change the way you treat people on the forums - in order to get what you want (I'm assuming you want them to listen to you and agree with you). Rather than quote myself I'll give you the message without the padding/training wheels as it is the second time around:

You might be the smartest, most right, most correct, most brilliant, witty, clever AND historically accurate entity on these forums - and in any other reality we'd all be bowing down to your wisdom and thanking God, Budda and the tooth fairy for your presence . . . but if the other forum-ites don't like you - your opinion is worth ****.

I'm a forum-ite, and I don't like you. Get the picture? :p

[Tristanjohn]

You know we are really all laughing at you TJ. Just stop for a second and think what you are doing here. Just for a sheer sense of humor, I have kicked into this thread to feed your ego.

Now some reality for you:

I am an Senior IT Systems Architect with a Fortune 50 company, with 28 years in the computer business dealing with software and hardware design and integration. I regularly run designs in the multi-million dollar range. To me, this little alpha test is a simple matter of stress relief as I'm around to point out defects (it is so nice not owning them for a change). I have more degrees then I care to remember wasting my time to get (a requirement to climb up the food chain in any large company). I started out as an Electrical Engineer. I am also a Pilot (well paying jobs feed expensive hobbies). If you want to compare brain sizes with folks publically, I suggest you had better be prepared to get put in your place quite a bit over the years.

I have run into two types of wargamers, those who like war gaming and those who moved to it because chess or go was far too boring. These two different classes of folks play with completely different styles and have completely different expectations from these types of games. They are both valid customers and something with the price tag (development cost for you) has to capture a sizable audience for it to succeed.

Now for the hard part for you to grasp, it is a requirement for any code testing to pick people that have absolutely no knowledge at all about the subject as by asking questions, they uncover defects that those who know better would never run into. This is an alpha product, history has nothing to do with it at this stage of design and development. This is all about the code and whether or not it functions as designed for extended periods of time. It is not about x shooting down y at ratio z.

That's good theatre. A man marches out into the center of the forum, loudly thumps his chest with so many parchments (El Titulisto Vario!) he can't be bothered to recall them all, and pronounces like some whirlwind that this all stands to excuse his personal behavior and expressed attitude in opposition of sound historical research which, were it only applied to the WitP project, stands to help all.

Well now let me tell you something. I don't much care who holds this degree or that. What I do care very much about is what is inside a man's heart and head and to a degree how well he is able to express these things. Where he hangs his hat or works are matters of immateriality to me. And that's as I believe it should be.

But what do I know? Surely a senior IT Systems Architect with a Fortune 50 company, with 28 years in the computer business dealing with software and hardware design and integration, and a former pilot as well, knows more than a humble taxi driver situated on the wrong coast.

I guess I'll stand contritely correct in the light of your higher learning, sir. Though I'd be careful to so casually itemize these precious degrees of yours next time in public, for you know what they say about judging the proverbial book, and also what pitfalls inevitably squat before pride.

[VicKevlar]

Well....this thread makes for interesting reading....

And now that I'm done I'm gonna lock it up for trolling, insults of various degrees and inappropriate behavior.

Play nice kids.