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[Tombstone]

I agree with this Rich guy's point, but all in all, for the price MCLV give a LOT of content and play time. It's a really good product that, when compared to other products in its price range, stands out as a really good buy. Old school SPWAW disciples are certainly a little touchy when it comes to attacks on the motherland though (heh)... I don't think that's a bad thing, one need only to understand our fanaticism to be cool with the vibe. Not to say that you aren't an SPWAW fantaic Rich, anyone who get's all the way through LV get's kudos for being a nutcase SPWAW player. That definitely puts you into a small club, I think it just gets people crazy because they feel like you should be on board with the trials and tribulations of Matrix Games' efforts at surviving the game publisher/developer pinch once you've seen what delicious goodness they're tirelessly trying to provide us.

Tomo

[rich12545]

Just to clarify, I haven't yet played any campaign let alone mclv although I plan to soon. I purchased the first three, and plan to get the fourth soon, more as a way of supporting the massive effort Matrix has put into spwaw than anything else. I've never had time to invest in a campaign but enjoy the hell out of playing the game. Looks like time this year will open up a bit and I hope to start playing campaigns.

I think it is partly the huge effort Matrix has put into spwaw that leaves me so shocked at this minor problem. We're talking maybe 5-10 hours to finish the game. In comparison to the whole that's probably less than 1%. Yet Brent continues to promise the update over and over again only to flake out every time. It's now been about two years. This is completely ridiculous and an affront to those of us who paid money for the game.

According to his latest promise, he has until March 1 to come up with the update. I hope he makes it but because of past performance I'm not positive about it.

[Les_the_Sarge_9_1]

Being as I see each and every thing through the eyes of a wargamer, I have to think of this in wargame result based notionals.

Ok one, Rich bought a product. Generally where cash is concerned we usually have expectations.

Brent has promised Rich it would get done eventually. And a man's promise is only worth as much as he makes it.

But hmm, problem is Brent has his foot in other projects. Personally, me looking from the outside in on this issue, I would rather Brent was sitting slaving over his portion of Combat Leader if he was tasked doing anything eh (hey I said I planned to be a nuisance on Combat Leader, sorry).

I think after this much time, it probably doesn't matter what Brent said any longer. And he wouldn't be the first person to make a promise he couldn't keep eh.

As long as MC-LV works, I think that is in the end all that is vital to the issue. It would be nice if all the MCs were sheer perfection. But sometimes you have to accept less than sheer perfection.

Now I wonder, how important to Rich would all this be, if he had to invest a postage stamp each time he wanted to communicate on the matter.
Forums simply make doing some things a bit to easy perhaps.

Rich, cut your losses and just stop killing yourself over this.
Its not like you bought something like HoI

[rich12545]

I totally disagree.

First, he didn't promise he'd do it eventually. He promised he'd have it done by the end of 2002. Then he promised he'd have it done by summer of 2003. Then he promised he'd have it done by the end of Feb 2004. Frankly, I don't care what other projects he's workiing on, he hasn't finished mclv and it's past time he does. Way past time. And I don't care about HoI either. We've all bought our share of lemons over the years. That is totally immaterial. The point is mclv. It's not done. It's been TWO YEARS. It should take maybe 5-10 hours or so to complete the game. And it's been TWO YEARS. It's a total affront to those of us who paid for the game. Have you? If so then you should be as mad as I am. If not, then with all due respect your opinion in this matter doesn't mean much.

[Gary Tatro]

You sound like a little kid. What kind of world do you live in Rich? Everything black and white?

You paid $30 for a game. That you have not even played!
If you trully own an RV then you spend more than that filling up your gas tank every week. Get over it, move on.

I don't know what is more pathetic, your single handed crusade to get some additional documentation into a game, or the fact that you still hold onto this idea that Brent gives a sh*t what you think. Why don't you play a few games online where cheating is rampent and the gaming company doesn't care.

It's to bad that Matrix does not have a rant forum, then you could go and post there and save me the time of reading your posts.

And yes I bought MCLV, yes I have played it all the way to Rostov. No I will never finish it, not because it is lacking documentation, but becuase it is to big and I have other things to do.

[Wild Bill]

Rich, thanks for your support of Matrix and the purchase of the Mega-Campaigns. That says a lot to me. It tells me that you are not just a kibitzer from the outside who only wants to criticize. It also tells me that you support what Matrix does and only want what you have been promised. I can't find fault with that.

Since I was the project coordinator for three of the Mega Campaigns, I hope that they prove to be highly enjoyable for you. Please let me know. And if I have dropped the ball anywhere, let me know.

Some things I can't fix. There are some problems in the MCs that are code related. Those are out of reach. But if there is anyting in the content that is amiss, we'll fix it.

I hope this is resolved for you. Let's let it rest until the appointed time and then we can speak further on the matter.

Again, thanks for your support of the Mega Campaigns.

WB

[rich12545]

Real frankly I don't care what I sound like to you.

I started out with a simple request a year and a half ago. Finish the game. At a minimum come online and let us know what the hangup is. Keep us informed. Brent doesn't finish the game and he doesn't even let us know what's going on. He only posts in response to my pressure and to make another promise six months hence. Then he doesn't produce or even post with progress, if any. To me that shows total arrogance and a complete uncaring attitude to those who bought the product. If he would post from time to time and let us know what's going on I'd be happy. "It's about half done." "I've had other things but I'll have time next month." But there's nothing. I can't believe his "screw the customer" attitude. If you don't like my periodic prodding to get this done then tough.

And yes, I really travel in my rv. Today I put in about $40 gas at $2.10 a gallon. One thing has nothing to do with another, gas and games are apples and oranges. You and I paid for a completed game and we deserve to get what we paid for. If you don't care about that then that's your choice. If I choose differently then you have no business demeaning that choice.

[harlekwin]

ORIGINAL: Gary Tatro

It's to bad that Matrix does not have a rant forum, then you could go and post there and save me the time of reading your posts.

We do have a 'rant forum' it is called the 'Art of Wargaming'.

Rich is NOT 'ranting' he is expressing concern over a product he bought. I do not know the details of his methods but I do know that he has the right as a consumer, and by policy to express himslef on the matter here as long as he is respectful and not deceitful. He has never been rude that I have seen although I do find his campaign to be a bit Quixotic whatever gets him through the day.

[rich12545]

Hi Bill,

The ONLY criticism I've ever had about spwaw is the completion of mclv. As you know from my posts I am 110% positive about all other aspects of the game. If there are things that can't be fixed, then so be it. Nothing can be done about that. This is my favorite game and I play it as much as time allows.

Soon I expect to have the time to start playing campaigns and then megas. I'm looking forward to it. It would be nice if mclv is completed by then. If you have any influence with Brent, please ask him to just finish it.

Actually I was letting it go in response to KG's post but have been replying to those who have posted since.

[Tombstone]

Just reading this thread makes me crack up. PLAY MCLV RICH!!! It's good, stop with this madness. Play it, play it, play it! It is good. You have no idea how irrelevant that stuff at the end is. It is good. Matrix is MEGA aware of your issue, so continued dissent will go nowhere. It'll happen eventually, that I believe... but in the meantime have a good time with the money you spent. It is so worth it. Unless you have like 20 hours a week for SPWAW it'll take a LONG time to get through LV... Before you're done the fix will come through. I understand that this is a philosophy issue, but practical reality can be a lot more favorable to you in this instance.

Tomo

[rich12545]

Yeah, I want to play a couple of regular campaigns first. I tried Flesh & Steel a couple of weeks ago and played around with it for a while, my first. Got my core force, went to the next page and it looked the same so I skipped it. Found out later by reading a strategy file that I had downloaded it was for support forces. Heheh. Then I started a random scenario a week ago and I'm playing that, almost done. I want to complete F&S and then one more to get used to campaigns and core forces before I start a mega.

I think that next week, if the update hasn't arrived, I'll email David and find out what's going on. Like I've written several times, if they would just keep us aware of the status and there's some progress I'd be happy but nobody ever posts anything. Very disconcerting and it makes me feel like Brent just doesn't care about those who bought the game.

[Henpecked]

How about adding some "carrot" to rich's "stick"?

I hereby pledge to buy MCLV immediately after it is "finished" to rich's satisfaction. This offer expires at midnight PST on March 31, 2004. (I know the promise was for Feb 2004, but if Matrix hasn't actually done anything yet, they'll need more time.)

Come on, Matrix. If there's only 10 hours of work left to do, then you'll be earning...$2.50 an hour!!! And if the work's nearly done, I'm offering FREE MONEY!!! [X(] How can you resist?

Anyone else want to offer a little incentive?

[Wild Bill]

Nothing wrong with a little incentive! Bring it on.

WB