M4 late ( HVSS 76mm ) vs. Pz. IVj ?

[Voriax]

ORIGINAL: Frank W.

losses: ger: 82men, 12 AFV´s, US: 1 men (!!)

CRUSHING DEFEAT of GER !

where do the 82men losses from the germans come from [&:]

Well, this is due to an old bug. German side lost 12 tanks with 5 men crews, makes 60 casualties. However I'm sure you had quite a few crews that bailed out from these 12 tanks? The game then counts how many crews you had, lets say 10 for example. These 10 crews would have 50 men in them if they'd be full strength units. Ok, then game counts how many men you actually have and does 50 minus actual number of crewmen = additional 'losses'

So you got 60 casualties from tank kills as game assumes whole crew is lost when tank dies.
Then you got additional 22 losses from missing men in crew units.

Voriax

[Frank W.]

so what means:

41 or 11 f. armor skirts in the unit stats ?

first digit is armor quality, or not.

can someone tell what the numbers mean ?

[Voriax]

Second digit is skirt thickness in cm.
First number means:

4: High quality or face hardened armour
5: High hardness OR low quality/flawed armour
6: High hardness AND low quality/flawed armour
7: Cast armour

Voriax

[Svennemir]

What have you guys been smoking, and can I have some? I mean, look at the numbers! The Easy 8 in SPWAW is configured in such a way that it eats Pz-IV tanks for breakfast. It has greater armour penetration, true, but do not forget the Easy Eight frontal armour slope of 30-40 degrees compared to the meager ~10-20 degrees of the Pz-IV.

If you want to kill Easy Eights, use Panthers.

[Frank W.]

i agree with svennemir.

thanx voriax.

what would "11" mean for the pzIVj ??

and "no" number ?

thanx again !

[Voriax]

11?? [&:] In the 8.01 oob set PzIVj has '41' If you have 11 somewhere then I'd say it is a typo. No number means standard armour, no modifiers based on armour quality.

Voriax

[Frank W.]

yep. in my H2H 7.1 fr. the pzIV j has "11"

can anyone verify this please ?

[Steve Wilcox]

Mine too. Both in H2Hce and H2Hfr.[&:]

[Gallo Rojo]

ORIGINAL: Losqualo


Losqualo's Pz IV J (late) in 1/15

It may be a while until its finished, but sure it's sweet. [;)]

Are you building a 1/15 PzVIj? From which brand?

I'm building a CV Firefly 1/48 right now [:D]

[Losqualo]

It's the Panzer IV F2 from Bandai. I'll convert it to a late Panzer IV J.
And for the R/C I take the parts of an 1/16 Tiger I FO from Tamiya.

[Gallo Rojo]

ORIGINAL: Losqualo

It's the Panzer IV F2 from Bandai. I'll convert it to a late Panzer IV J.

this will imply a lot of scrach built [&o]

ORIGINAL: Losqualo
And for the R/C I take the parts of an 1/16 Tiger I FO from Tamiya.

Have you built the 1/16 Tamiya Tiger?!

I built the old 1/24 long time ago. But I'm moving to smaller scales now.

[Losqualo]

The Tiger isn't finished yet, but you can see some pictures here:

http://www.losqualo.de/Panzermodelle RC-e.htm

And regarding sacles, I'm in the process of moving to larger scales. I started with 1/35. [;)]

[Charles2222]

ORIGINAL: Svennemir

What have you guys been smoking, and can I have some? I mean, look at the numbers! The Easy 8 in SPWAW is configured in such a way that it eats Pz-IV tanks for breakfast. It has greater armour penetration, true, but do not forget the Easy Eight frontal armour slope of 30-40 degrees compared to the meager ~10-20 degrees of the Pz-IV.

If you want to kill Easy Eights, use Panthers.

The HVSS isn't an Easy8. I believe the question wasn't meant to compare the M4E8 either, simply because it's an easy mis-match, while the HVSS is something of a closer comparison.

[Belisarius]

HVSS means Horizontal Volute Spring Suspension. I don't know if any other M4 variants but the E8 had that, though.

[Svennemir]

The HVSS isn't an Easy8. I believe the question wasn't meant to compare the M4E8 either, simply because it's an easy mis-match, while the HVSS is something of a closer comparison.

Um, is there a non-E8 HVSS tank somewhere? Because I cannot seem to see it. Are there some of the others that are HVSS-type but not E8?

[Voriax]

M4A1(76)W, M4A2(76)W, M4A3(76)W (this is the one some call -E8, which was afaik code for the prototypes), then M4(105) and M4A3(105)
each had HVSS versions. I'm sure someone will correct me if I'm wrong [;)]

Voriax

[Svennemir]

Ah okay! It's just not in the tanks' name. Thanks Voriax.

[Charles2222]

I assumed the HVSS I saw in SPWAW was a singular unique one, in that no other Shermans were called that. As well, the M4E8 had much greater armor (gamewise), but what do I know, afterall the latest version I saw was 7.1. I just looked at what the tanks were named, in the game and noted the significant armor difference between what was listed as a pretty average Sherman (HVSS) and another called an M4E8 which was much more armor. Why if so many of the Shermans were this 'HVSS' and only one of them were listed as such, I sure wouldn't know.

[Frank W.]

anyway.

pzIVj is worse than the M4 E8 or HVSS or whatever.

my Pz.IV get slaughtered by cromwells even, won´t buy them
anymore and become a tiger kiddiee[8D]

[Belisarius]

ORIGINAL: Frank W.

anyway.

pzIVj is worse than the M4 E8 or HVSS or whatever.

my Pz.IV get slaughtered by cromwells even, won´t buy them
anymore and become a tiger kiddiee[8D]

Got StuG? [:'(]

Seriously, in SP:WaW, that size difference makes up for the reduced ROF. Even more so if facing the Russians... can't hit the broad side of a barn, you know..