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ORIGINAL: Mr.Frag
I just list the "none in production" so you know you don't have to worry about changing factories over for those aircraft.
Both the 6 at Naga & the 20 at Gumma need to be changed over to something else if you want to shut down Nell & A5M4 production, the rest are already not being produced.
so in other words these other aircraft will never be produced again unless u change to them correct???
ORIGINAL: Mr.Frag
Seems not Xargun ... no need
ORIGINAL: Xargun
What is the point of the A6M3 Zero ? None of my planes have that as an upgrade path. They all want the A6M5 Zeke. Or is the A6M3 a CV only plane ? I didn't check those groups... Other than a new model, it has less range and nothing to compensate for it when compared to the A6M2... Any ideas ?
Xargun
ORIGINAL: Mr.Frag
so in other words these other aircraft will never be produced again unless u change to them correct???
Yep, but you don't want to, they are already obsolete when the war starts and the replacement model is already available. so there is no point making more.
Aircraft production was the first thing I started studying when I got the game. I looked at the stats on those two planes, and it seems as though the Hickory is a downgrade from the Theresa. When I look at the two planes, it looks like I get 8 durability and 8 guns (on a transport) and lose half my range. I have no business sending transports into areas with CAP, so the only justifiable reason for doing this is the extra 8 durability. Does durability affect my ops losses? Do I need peashooters on my transports?ORIGINAL: Mr.Frag
Right off the bat, turn #1:
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Ki-59 Theresa -> Ki-54 Hickory (none in production)
Any betas want to give me the benefit of their wisdom here? What am I not considering?
ORIGINAL: Oznoyng
Given the choice, I would consolidate my transport aircraft production into the H6K2-L Mavis, L3Y, and MC-21. The Ki-57-II Topsy, MC-21 Sally, Ki-59 Theresa, L1N1 Thora, and Ki-54 Hickory production would all either go to MC-21 production or researching another 2-engine type (like the G4M2 Betty and P1Y Frances). MC-21 would be the workhorse of the transport fleet, while the L3Y would service distant bases with suitable airfields while the Mavis handled supply to distant bases without airfields.
Unfortunately, the OOB doesn't give me much option as far as upgrades.
All that aside, what is your opinion of the merits of the Hickory versus the Theresa?
ORIGINAL: Oznoyng
Aircraft production was the first thing I started studying when I got the game. I looked at the stats on those two planes, and it seems as though the Hickory is a downgrade from the Theresa. When I look at the two planes, it looks like I get 8 durability and 8 guns (on a transport) and lose half my range. I have no business sending transports into areas with CAP, so the only justifiable reason for doing this is the extra 8 durability. Does durability affect my ops losses? Do I need peashooters on my transports?ORIGINAL: Mr.Frag
Right off the bat, turn #1:
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Ki-59 Theresa -> Ki-54 Hickory (none in production)
I have been toying with killing the Hickory all together, using the factory to research or produce something else, and living off the pool of Theresa's. Unless I read it wrong, I have like 4 squadrons of Theresa's and one future reinforcement Hickory with 27? Hickories in the pool. If I also kill the other plane that uses the Hitachi engines (Ki-36?), I no longer have a need for Hitachi engines and I can convert my Hitachi engine factory to Nakajima engines.
Any betas want to give me the benefit of their wisdom here? What am I not considering?
ORIGINAL: Tanaka
Mary's, Ida's, Theresa's, and Hickory's all use Hitachi engines.
ORIGINAL: Mr.Frag
If I did the OOB, Japan would win Jan 1, 1942 [:'(]
ORIGINAL: Xargun
ORIGINAL: Mr.Frag
Seems not Xargun ... no need
Thanks Mr.Frag... I'm gonna boot up a 1945 game and see if anything is different in that and I'll report back..
Xargun
ORIGINAL: Caltone
So what did you determine Xargun? Any chance you've got a definative list of what engines we'll need and when? I see it as wanting to produce what I'll need for future reinforcements, at least enough to build those sqauds. On some of these just get the bare minimum in the pool then switch to something more useful.
Some planes I'd rather not have will have to stay, the A6M3 as you mentioned comes to mind. We're going to have enough of those that we'll need the research on the aircraft and enough nakajimas to build em. Then keep replacements on hand till we can upgrade them in Sep 43.
It does look like we can clean up the float plane and transport situation a little.
ORIGINAL: Xargun
ORIGINAL: Caltone
So what did you determine Xargun? Any chance you've got a definative list of what engines we'll need and when? I see it as wanting to produce what I'll need for future reinforcements, at least enough to build those sqauds. On some of these just get the bare minimum in the pool then switch to something more useful.
Some planes I'd rather not have will have to stay, the A6M3 as you mentioned comes to mind. We're going to have enough of those that we'll need the research on the aircraft and enough nakajimas to build em. Then keep replacements on hand till we can upgrade them in Sep 43.
It does look like we can clean up the float plane and transport situation a little.
Out of the 9 engines designs you only need 5 different ones and then only a couple in large amounts. You need Aichi, Nissan, Hitachi, Mitsubishi and Nakajima... With Nakajima the top and Mitsubishi the second. I believe Aichi is only one aircraft design (D4Y Judy) but you definately want that one - better DB for your CVs. Kawasaki has 1 type as well (Ki-46-III KAI Dinah fighter. HItachi has several types - mostly recon and transport planes. I forget what the Nissan engine is for, but I think only 1 design as well.
In my current PBEM game, I am currently producing all 5 engines in varying amounts. I think I have only a single factory for the small three and large factories of Mitsu and Nakajimas.
The A6M3 is crappy, but you need them to fill incoming fighter squadrons. Upgrade to Zekes as fast as you can once you get them... Right now I have over 100 A6M2s in production and unfortunately only have like 10 in my pool - just reloaded all my CVs and airgroups and upgraded all CV Claudes to Zeros. So now I just have to produce enough to cover my losses. BTW, dont expect to convert aircraft overnight on CVs - so far its been like 3 days and only 9 Zeros have been repaired while the other 9 are sitting around broken. Sloooooow..
Xargun
ORIGINAL: Caltone
Awesome post [&o][&o] Thanks Xargun
That makes it a lot easier than searching through all these little scraps of paper I have on my desk atm [:D] I believe I nearly tripled the nakajima production by changing over and expansion in my curent game, picked up another 30 or so mitsubishi, and like you I'm down to 1 factory per on the others except maybe hitachi.
I didn't have the nissan in my list but have kawasaki in its place, maybe this is the one you meant, think its for only one design as well.
What are your thoughts on factory size? I'm having some second thoughts on the very large factories I created via expansion. I'm wondering if 3 in the 50-100 size range might be better than one behemoth producing 200. Seems they would come on line quicker as each repairs vs just one repairing. Can't do anyting with the large factories you have to start with of course, but as you convert others perhaps.
