At this point I can only be amused.

[rroberson]

ORIGINAL: Oznoyng

Are you sure the seagulls were off the task force? You could have the wildcats escorting a strike from elsewhere. I would check every land-based and ship-based Seagul squadron and look for one on Naval attack.

I can't think of where else they would of come from. I have 2 groups operating there...one is a transport group full of marines...the other surface warships protecting the carrier.

[rroberson]

ORIGINAL: Mogami

Hi, Please send you game file to Mogami69bsa@aol.com

Do you want the report, or the turn I sent to my opponent (which I just happened to of saved this time [:D] ). Id really like to find out if this is my incompetence, which I can live with or our database.

[Oznoyng]

ORIGINAL: rroberson

ORIGINAL: Oznoyng

Are you sure the seagulls were off the task force? You could have the wildcats escorting a strike from elsewhere. I would check every land-based and ship-based Seagul squadron and look for one on Naval attack.

I can't think of where else they would of come from. I have 2 groups operating there...one is a transport group full of marines...the other surface warships protecting the carrier.

Don't think. Look.

1. Open the Land Based Planes window
2. Click on All Types (or whatever it is called) until no groups are displayed.
3. Click on FP to display only Float planes.
4. Sort by plane type
5. Look for any SOC-3 Seagull group that is set to Naval Attack.
6. Determine if any such group is in range of the target being attacked
7. Open the Naval Based groups list
8. Repeat Steps 2-6.

[rroberson]

aye aye sir!

[rroberson]

ORIGINAL: Oznoyng

ORIGINAL: rroberson

ORIGINAL: Oznoyng

Are you sure the seagulls were off the task force? You could have the wildcats escorting a strike from elsewhere. I would check every land-based and ship-based Seagul squadron and look for one on Naval attack.

I can't think of where else they would of come from. I have 2 groups operating there...one is a transport group full of marines...the other surface warships protecting the carrier.

Don't think. Look.

1. Open the Land Based Planes window
2. Click on All Types (or whatever it is called) until no groups are displayed.
3. Click on FP to display only Float planes.
4. Sort by plane type
5. Look for any SOC-3 Seagull group that is set to Naval Attack.
6. Determine if any such group is in range of the target being attacked
7. Open the Naval Based groups list
8. Repeat Steps 2-6.

Even more interesting. The scout planes came from USS Chester. The attack was off of PM. That being said...I have no idea where the wildcat escort came from. Since Chester was part of my surface action group sacrificing itself to the empire. A quick check of the surrounding bases reveals a total of 3 working wildcats (from my illfated scout bomber disaster last week) and none of them in range.

[Oznoyng]

ORIGINAL: rroberson

aye aye sir!

Hehe. I do not mean to be rude, but I can't tell you how many times already I have given orders and forgotten some little aspect of them only to have that little aspect blow me out of the water.

Like...

Ordering all my bombers in Indochina to attack Singapore
Ordered Zeros to escort
Forgot and kept the range 8 limit on my Zeros... (Singapore was 9 away)...

and have Mogami's AVG shoot down 40 of my unescorted bombers and turn my morale in those groups to shit for 2 weeks.

[rroberson]

ORIGINAL: Mr.Frag

The odds of B-17's flying in an extended range roll against a CV which probably had cap flying without search and escort is pretty small. Thats a lot of negative mods to overcome.

I guess I am going to have to start learning to manipulate the numbers to correctly play this game. I actually have mixed feelings about that. I have always felt the point of a sim was to give you the assets and set you free. You shouldnt have to worry about what's under the hood. Bomber fly, ships sail and soldiers shoot. I spent a couple of decades playing board games like squad leader (or some of the SPI monsters) where you had to manipulate all the numbers and memorize giant sized rule books to play the game. The beauty of a computer is that you shouldnt have to. Ah well....at least I dont have to worry about my cat blasting a hole through my defensive perimeter.

I still would like to get someone to take a look at our database and see if it is corrupt somehow. We have been warned all along that we probably needed to restart after the first patch and we did not, and even though i can chalk up my bombers and the loss of my carriers to my own incompetance and lack of willingness to learn the gamey parts of this sim, I like playing with reiyc alot (he is a damn efficent emporer the bastard! [:'(]) but the 2 year committment to a screwed database is a bit much to overcome. I have had other things a long the way (like aks appearing in the middle of no where)....

[rroberson]

ORIGINAL: rroberson

I did get to witness my enemy move betties and sallys forward to a level 2 airbase that I was bombing to strike my warships who were maurading off guadalcanal.

I no longer believe that is true at least, after reviewing the turn a couple of times i now believe these bombers came from Rabaul...[8|]

[tsimmonds]

The scout planes came from USS Chester. The attack was off of PM. That being said...I have no idea where the wildcat escort came from.

The Wildcats undoubtedly came from your CVTF, just as you said. They happily joined up with the SOC strike group. Fighters nearer the target will join bombers coming from further away. Bombers will only join if they are at the same range. So your SBDs were not eligible to join the SOCs strike. Should they have initiated their own followup strike without escort? Unknown. But it sounds like your floatplanes set on Naval Strike screwed you again. I'd go through my lists of land and naval based a/c and make certain all my floatplanes were set to Naval Search right now.

[Black Cat]

ORIGINAL: rroberson

My B-17 bombers continue to remain on strike. Despite all my efforts to get them to fly against the enemy. I am completely bemused at this point. I did get to witness my enemy move betties and sallys forward to a level 2 airbase that I was bombing to strike my warships who were maurading off guadalcanal. So goes my frustration. I now strongly wonder just how screwed our database is. We start our game in version one and two patches later....[8|] at any rate here is some pictures...there are more to follow, for I believe I also got to witness the old scout planes preventing my carrier birds from flying syndrome again.

Your Aviation support is 28 Required is 37.

Your Support is 130. Required is 303.

Cairns is a Malaria Zone as well I believe.

Maybe that`s why their not flying ?

[dtravel]

ORIGINAL: Black Cat

ORIGINAL: rroberson

My B-17 bombers continue to remain on strike. Despite all my efforts to get them to fly against the enemy. I am completely bemused at this point. I did get to witness my enemy move betties and sallys forward to a level 2 airbase that I was bombing to strike my warships who were maurading off guadalcanal. So goes my frustration. I now strongly wonder just how screwed our database is. We start our game in version one and two patches later....[8|] at any rate here is some pictures...there are more to follow, for I believe I also got to witness the old scout planes preventing my carrier birds from flying syndrome again.

Your Aviation support is 28 Required is 37.

Your Support is 130. Required is 303.

Cairns is a Malaria Zone as well I believe.

Maybe that`s why their not flying ?

Support is for LCUs, not aircraft. Malaria Zone will increase LCUs fatigue but I can't remember reading anything about it grounding aircraft. AV support will affect how quickly the aircraft will be repaired if damaged, but as documented is not required for currently 'ready' aircraft to launch an attack.

[rroberson]

ORIGINAL: irrelevant

The scout planes came from USS Chester. The attack was off of PM. That being said...I have no idea where the wildcat escort came from.

The Wildcats undoubtedly came from your CVTF, just as you said. They happily joined up with the SOC strike group. Fighters nearer the target will join bombers coming from further away. Bombers will only join if they are at the same range. So your SBDs were not eligible to join the SOCs strike. Should they have initiated their own followup strike without escort? Unknown. But it sounds like your floatplanes set on Naval Strike screwed you again. I'd go through my lists of land and naval based a/c and make certain all my floatplanes were set to Naval Search right now.

The lone CV I have is off lunga....the attack went down at PM....might be a bit of a range problem .

[rroberson]

ORIGINAL: Black Cat

ORIGINAL: rroberson

My B-17 bombers continue to remain on strike. Despite all my efforts to get them to fly against the enemy. I am completely bemused at this point. I did get to witness my enemy move betties and sallys forward to a level 2 airbase that I was bombing to strike my warships who were maurading off guadalcanal. So goes my frustration. I now strongly wonder just how screwed our database is. We start our game in version one and two patches later....[8|] at any rate here is some pictures...there are more to follow, for I believe I also got to witness the old scout planes preventing my carrier birds from flying syndrome again.

Your Aviation support is 28 Required is 37.

Your Support is 130. Required is 303.

Cairns is a Malaria Zone as well I believe.

Maybe that`s why their not flying ?

Possible, but I have seen bombers fly when the support is under the necessary amount, they just dont send everyone.

[Mr.Frag]

I guess I am going to have to start learning to manipulate the numbers to correctly play this game.

Japan is actually more forgiving in this respect due to not having real bombers.

The US Heavies are far more picky in their habits because they are also far more devastating a weapon.

Learn their rules well as they are unlike anything that Japan has to bring to the battle.

The rest of the air force in the game plays just like Japan so the same basic rules go but the heavies require a lot more thought and planning to bring into the fight effectively.

[Twotribes]

What is so hard about remembering that heavy bombers need a size 4 or larger airfield? Specifically B-17's need a 5 and B-29's need a 7. Not much to remember there.

[Tankerace]

LOL. In my game (the turn I just ran), 21 B-17s took off from Kiska, to hit the small Jap Island of Paramushiro Jima. Right now, Kiska is a size 2 airfield. Methinks that this might be an aspect of the game that may need to be looked at.

[rroberson]

ORIGINAL: Mr.Frag

I guess I am going to have to start learning to manipulate the numbers to correctly play this game.

Japan is actually more forgiving in this respect due to not having real bombers.

The US Heavies are far more picky in their habits because they are also far more devastating a weapon.

Learn their rules well as they are unlike anything that Japan has to bring to the battle.

The rest of the air force in the game plays just like Japan so the same basic rules go but the heavies require a lot more thought and planning to bring into the fight effectively.

Perhaps I will have to borrow your brain sometime for B-17 chat.

[rroberson]

ORIGINAL: Twotribes

What is so hard about remembering that heavy bombers need a size 4 or larger airfield? Specifically B-17's need a 5 and B-29's need a 7. Not much to remember there.

Okay Im going from memory here and this time of year my brain is mush, but i distinctly recall that it had to be a size 3 airfield...not 4. In fact, I have B-17s flying out of an unnamed airbase right now pasting lunga.

[Nikademus]

ORIGINAL: Mr.Frag

Japan is actually more forgiving in this respect due to not having real bombers.

So remember folks, when your warships are full of holes and sinking by the bows.....those wern't real bombers. It was just your imagination.... [:'(] [:D] [8D]

[Tankerace]

Just because they are planes that carry bombs, and drop bombs, and a person or thing that attacks with bombs is a bomber, doesn't mean that they are in fact bombers. [:)][:D]