Well where to start...
I landed a lot of troops through the night and the next day and only took limited CD gunfire in return - a couple PG/PCs took a couple hits, but nothing that won't make it back to base.
During the night some allied ships attempted to flee Kendari but were intercepted by my warships there and mauled - an allied AK and AP sunk - no damage in return. Also during the night 4 allied DDs (from Manilla I believe) cmae upon my TF laying mines west of Bataan and attacked.. 1 ML sunk and another hurt - I ordered them to retreat back to base, but apparantly they didn't want to and stayed around a little too long..
A lone allied AK tried to make it past my naval blockade at Balikpapin and was overcome with gunfire and quickly sunk.
IJN Subs locate and torpedo an allied AK and ML - the ML sunk quickly.
Rob attacked Bangkok with some bombers from Rangoon - but they accomplished no real damage and killed nothing.
Some Nells stationed in Saigon (Naval Attack) located a large TF near Palembang and hit it. 3 allied MSW were torpedoed and all reported sunk. I believe they are fleeing from Singapore.
My Baby CVs located another dutch ML and sunk him as well. Thats 2 MLs killed - should dampen his mine laying ability for a while. The Baby CVs also located a pair of AKs fleeing Borneo and put some torps into them too - one sunk the other limped away burning. They also located a pair of DDs and hit one with a pair of torps - it later sank.
Nells based in Formosa spotted some allied PGs at Bataan and struck. Both were hit with torps, but only one sunk. The other should be able to limp back to Manilla before it sinks.
I am not happy with Nagumo... the KB only launched one airgroup - a group of zeros set to fighter sweep over PH... They encountered half dozen enemy fighters and did not engage - no kills on either side.. No other air strikes were launched from KB... There was some weather in the AM phase, but it moved off in the PM phase.. Not happy about this.. I needed to hit that base again...
On the ground my men reduced the forts at Balikpapin and Davao - both should fall next turn. My men also captured Lamon Bay, Dadjanges and Lingayen. An entire division is unloading at Lingayen - they did not partake in the initial invasion to avoid losses unloading over the beach. So once they unload and spend a day resting, they will be fresh to move on to Clark Field and block other PI units from retreating there.
In all not a bad day. If the KB would have hit PH again it would be a good day. In total 11 allied ships sunk, including 3 MSW, 2 ML and a single DD... With how much Rob likes mines the loss of the MSWs and MLs should hurt his plans.
Xargun
Japan Declares War against Western Imperialism - Xargun vs RRoberson (take 3)
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RE: 8 December 1941
I am assuming you guys are playing a slightly modified Scenario 15 and not Lemurs version?
Since I only play with Lemurs ver, I can be no help with long term production. Me and Ron are up to 7/42 in our game. We are averaging a month of game time per week.
Since I only play with Lemurs ver, I can be no help with long term production. Me and Ron are up to 7/42 in our game. We are averaging a month of game time per week.
RE: 8 December 1941
ORIGINAL: 2ndACR
I am assuming you guys are playing a slightly modified Scenario 15 and not Lemurs version?
Since I only play with Lemurs ver, I can be no help with long term production. Me and Ron are up to 7/42 in our game. We are averaging a month of game time per week.
Yes. It is basically scenario 15 with 12 training air groups for the japanese along with some house rules. Wow, a month of game time per week thats keeping you both busy.. Wish I had that kind of time...
Xargun
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RE: 8 December 1941
Yeah. Cooking with flamethrowers. Wish my subs would fire!!!![:@] How long does this neutered doctrine last? Mid 43!!? Ughhhh. Game's great otherwise. Land combat still kinda weird. Too much fun.
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RE: Aircraft Production
I am a big fan of expanding production on a few aircraft: the A6M2, the H8K, and the Ki-46.
The H8K and the Ki-46 are your eyes and ears. The sooner they get into your Daitai, the better off you are. The Ki-46 means you can recon farther into enemy territory with fewer ops losses - meaning fewer planes you need to build and fewer pilots you need to train. The H8K increases your patrol range by 6 hexes, which is a considerable advantage. The H8K is also capable of conducting night bombing raids. I have seen more AAR's bemoaning what happened because of what the players *thought* was located in an area...
As for the A6M2, it is a great aircraft, but you need to use it early to have maximum effect. For that reason, I really suggest bumping up the production on it. I bump production up to 200 and then halt it when I get a big enough pool. One key thing to do is to increase your A6M2 production by converting factories, not by expanding one big factory. Later in the war, diverse engine/plane production will be important once bombing starts. However, the main reason to expand production is to get production earlier. Consider this:
I upgrade a single factory to produce an extra 100 A6M2's. My added production looks like this:
12/8: (99)x1
12/9: (98)x2
12/10: (97)x3
12/11: (96)x4
etc.
Now, look at a situation where I convert the 3 and 8 capacity Alf plants to around 32 each, the A5M4 plant to 32, and add about 32 to an existing small plant:
12/8: (124)x4
12/9: (120)x8
12/10: (116)x12
12/11: (112)x16
etc.
I reach full production in mid-January in the second case, but reach it sometime in March in the first. Along the way, case two allows me to take great advantage of the Zero's early war Manuever bonus and case one throws it away.
The H8K and the Ki-46 are your eyes and ears. The sooner they get into your Daitai, the better off you are. The Ki-46 means you can recon farther into enemy territory with fewer ops losses - meaning fewer planes you need to build and fewer pilots you need to train. The H8K increases your patrol range by 6 hexes, which is a considerable advantage. The H8K is also capable of conducting night bombing raids. I have seen more AAR's bemoaning what happened because of what the players *thought* was located in an area...
As for the A6M2, it is a great aircraft, but you need to use it early to have maximum effect. For that reason, I really suggest bumping up the production on it. I bump production up to 200 and then halt it when I get a big enough pool. One key thing to do is to increase your A6M2 production by converting factories, not by expanding one big factory. Later in the war, diverse engine/plane production will be important once bombing starts. However, the main reason to expand production is to get production earlier. Consider this:
I upgrade a single factory to produce an extra 100 A6M2's. My added production looks like this:
12/8: (99)x1
12/9: (98)x2
12/10: (97)x3
12/11: (96)x4
etc.
Now, look at a situation where I convert the 3 and 8 capacity Alf plants to around 32 each, the A5M4 plant to 32, and add about 32 to an existing small plant:
12/8: (124)x4
12/9: (120)x8
12/10: (116)x12
12/11: (112)x16
etc.
I reach full production in mid-January in the second case, but reach it sometime in March in the first. Along the way, case two allows me to take great advantage of the Zero's early war Manuever bonus and case one throws it away.
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RE: Aircraft Production
Surely it's the other way round? Excellent post though.I reach full production in mid-January in the first case, but reach it sometime in March in the second.
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RE: Aircraft Production
Yep, I edited it. Thanks for catching that.ORIGINAL: irrelevant
Surely it's the other way round? Excellent post though.I reach full production in mid-January in the first case, but reach it sometime in March in the second.
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RE: Aircraft Production
ORIGINAL: madflava13
Double Val and Kate production
from experience in my pbem games, you could find yourself in situation that opponent will avoid CV battles. Yes, you will certantly need to expand Val and Kate production, but i dont think you will need more than 35 val and 40 kates per month....
secondly, i considering also what to do with nates factory. I notice that my big factory in Tokyo (119) researching Oscar II faster then switched (Harbin, Gumma) factories (to O II), with smaller capacity (20,25). After 3 months of research, in Harbin i have only 5 rd points (of 20). So i'm not sure if really worth it research new ac (all together i have 51 rd oscar points after 3 months). Maybe it is better to halt factories and let it auto upgrade (i think it was your idea (Xargun) or Oznoyng.)
Big Frank assembly in Tokyo (capacity 320) make rd points pretty quickly (right now i have 41), so i plan in future games let it to research...
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RE: Aircraft Production
ORIGINAL: pauk
ORIGINAL: madflava13
Double Val and Kate production
from experience in my pbem games, you could find yourself in situation that opponent will avoid CV battles. Yes, you will certantly need to expand Val and Kate production, but i dont think you will need more than 35 val and 40 kates per month....
secondly, i considering also what to do with nates factory. I notice that my big factory in Tokyo (119) researching Oscar II faster then switched (Harbin, Gumma) factories (to O II), with smaller capacity (20,25). After 3 months of research, in Harbin i have only 5 rd points (of 20). So i'm not sure if really worth it research new ac (all together i have 51 rd oscar points after 3 months). Maybe it is better to halt factories and let it auto upgrade (i think it was your idea (Xargun) or Oznoyng.)
Big Frank assembly in Tokyo (capacity 320) make rd points pretty quickly (right now i have 41), so i plan in future games let it to research...
It's not so much that CV battles are avoided, at least in my case. I don't commit CV unless there is a solid reason to do so.
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9 December 1941
Another day in the war against the Imperialists.. Kind of a mixed bag I guess.
Lots of ASW and sub action this turn - I'll start with the bad news...
Allied DDs locate and damage I-19 off the west coast. The sub has moderate damage but has high flt damage (66) and I doubt she will make it safely home, although I will try. A large TF consisting of 8 DDs run over I-24 and sink her in the central pacific. Since the allies have nothing in the area to start, I'm assuming its one of the CV TFs heading south. I'm sure they have a lot of DDs escorting them - if only I would have got off a shot [:@] Off the coast of Soerbaja a small allied TF managed to locate and sink I-155 without her getting off a shot.
I sent a PG dominated ASW TF off the coast of Malaya where I spotted a sub on turn 1. The dutch sub was still there and I managed to sink it without it getting off a shot in return. IJN SS I-154 adds another kill to its list by hitting and sinking an allied AP as it passed near Palembang. SS I-164 entered the war by hitting and sinking another allied AP off the coast of Muntok.
On the surface a Tf of 6 PTs showed up at Legaspi and attack one of my invasion TFs - somehow they manage to pick the TF with minor escort - a couple PCs - and not the one with numerous DD escorts. In a one-sided battle, the PTs sink a PC and cripple an AP and PC. The PC was scuttled due to 90+ flt damage and nowhere to run to.
One of my invasion escort TFs reacted and encountered a lone allied AK and blew it apart.
Nagumo got his head out of the clouds and launch a massive 2nd attack on PH this turn - over 300 planes were involved. 17 Allied fighters made it into the sky in defense but they were ineffectual in attacking the bombers and were shot out of the sky by my zeros. As the zeros flew CAP my Vals hit the airfields and repair yards and the Kates ran along battleship row again. Mostly bombs were used on the port attack, but a few torps found their way into the sides of BBs and a CL. BB Nevada took 4 torp hits while the West Virginia took 2 - California and Maryland each took 1 torp. Several cruisers were hit with 800 kg bombs as well. Despite nothing being sunk, I believe this wave had a devastating affect on the status of the BBs - they should all be highly damaged now. My Vals managed to hit the repair yards quite hard as well, reporting 10 hits - which is 22 points of repair yards damaged (Checked Intel report for Strategic Losses).
I am planning another day of attacking PH - airfield, repair yards and port once more. Depending on how well the port attacks go, I will probably withdraw after this last wave. I plan on sending 2 CVs around behind PH to intercept allied TFs heading between PH and the west coast - just not sure of the timing to show them...
In bad news, RAF bombers from Singapore attacked and hit several IJN TFs along the coast of Malaya damaging 1 AP and causing a scorch mark on a BB. I need to hit Singapore airfields hard and soon, but all of my long-range bombers are highly fatigued and have low morale - they get one more day of rest then they get pressed into combat whether they want too or not.
Fighters from Manilla strafe several IJN TFs off the coast of Luzon causing minor damage to some APs.
One of my Baby CVs located and attacked an allied cruiser. 5 Torps reportedly hit the heavy cruiser Houston, splitting her apart and sinking her. My baby CVs launched many other Kates are various targets but nothing else was hit [:@]
Rob launched another air raid on Bangkok and was met with a score of Nates. In the end the British air attack was driven off before any bombs were dropped and a pair of Buffalos and a Blenheim were shot down with no losses amongst my Nates.
Now the good news.. On the ground the IJA really got it done this turn capturing 9 bases including: Legaspi (1200 POWs), Kendari, Belikpapin, Kuching, Changsha (resources fully intact), San Marcelino, Davao, Guam and Laoag. I am already moving fighters and long range bombers to Kendari and Balikpapin as well as a chutai of Nells to Kuching to try to hit the fleeing allied ships. Hong Kong and Yenen still hold on, but attacks will continue there. In not such a surprise move, Rob has moved 4 chinese units into Nanning. It is probably an even fight and will come down to the first attack - how much damage he takes... I have a full Bde and a BF there and they sit behind 2 or 3 forts. I have no units to rush there larger than SNLFs and I have a couple on the way, but they are 3-4 days away at best so hopefully the base can hold.
Not much else is happening yet. I want to make some moves in the South Pacific from Truk, but don't have the air or naval power there to support any real offensives, so I must wait. After a couple more days of bombing Manilla and Clark Field, I will transfer the long-range bombers from Formosa down to Truk to provide protection against any allied attacks. Until then Truk is kinda exposed - especially against air attacks - but luckily the US CVs are 4-5 days away at best speed - unless they want to cut past Kwajalein and take the hits from the bombers based there...
In all I sunk 8 allied ships this turn (1 Sub, 3 APs, 2 AKs, 1 MSW and a CA) while losing 2 PCs (1 sunk, 1 scuttled) and 2 Subs. Not a bad trade, but I'd rather have not lost the subs..
Xargun
Lots of ASW and sub action this turn - I'll start with the bad news...
Allied DDs locate and damage I-19 off the west coast. The sub has moderate damage but has high flt damage (66) and I doubt she will make it safely home, although I will try. A large TF consisting of 8 DDs run over I-24 and sink her in the central pacific. Since the allies have nothing in the area to start, I'm assuming its one of the CV TFs heading south. I'm sure they have a lot of DDs escorting them - if only I would have got off a shot [:@] Off the coast of Soerbaja a small allied TF managed to locate and sink I-155 without her getting off a shot.
I sent a PG dominated ASW TF off the coast of Malaya where I spotted a sub on turn 1. The dutch sub was still there and I managed to sink it without it getting off a shot in return. IJN SS I-154 adds another kill to its list by hitting and sinking an allied AP as it passed near Palembang. SS I-164 entered the war by hitting and sinking another allied AP off the coast of Muntok.
On the surface a Tf of 6 PTs showed up at Legaspi and attack one of my invasion TFs - somehow they manage to pick the TF with minor escort - a couple PCs - and not the one with numerous DD escorts. In a one-sided battle, the PTs sink a PC and cripple an AP and PC. The PC was scuttled due to 90+ flt damage and nowhere to run to.
One of my invasion escort TFs reacted and encountered a lone allied AK and blew it apart.
Nagumo got his head out of the clouds and launch a massive 2nd attack on PH this turn - over 300 planes were involved. 17 Allied fighters made it into the sky in defense but they were ineffectual in attacking the bombers and were shot out of the sky by my zeros. As the zeros flew CAP my Vals hit the airfields and repair yards and the Kates ran along battleship row again. Mostly bombs were used on the port attack, but a few torps found their way into the sides of BBs and a CL. BB Nevada took 4 torp hits while the West Virginia took 2 - California and Maryland each took 1 torp. Several cruisers were hit with 800 kg bombs as well. Despite nothing being sunk, I believe this wave had a devastating affect on the status of the BBs - they should all be highly damaged now. My Vals managed to hit the repair yards quite hard as well, reporting 10 hits - which is 22 points of repair yards damaged (Checked Intel report for Strategic Losses).
I am planning another day of attacking PH - airfield, repair yards and port once more. Depending on how well the port attacks go, I will probably withdraw after this last wave. I plan on sending 2 CVs around behind PH to intercept allied TFs heading between PH and the west coast - just not sure of the timing to show them...
In bad news, RAF bombers from Singapore attacked and hit several IJN TFs along the coast of Malaya damaging 1 AP and causing a scorch mark on a BB. I need to hit Singapore airfields hard and soon, but all of my long-range bombers are highly fatigued and have low morale - they get one more day of rest then they get pressed into combat whether they want too or not.
Fighters from Manilla strafe several IJN TFs off the coast of Luzon causing minor damage to some APs.
One of my Baby CVs located and attacked an allied cruiser. 5 Torps reportedly hit the heavy cruiser Houston, splitting her apart and sinking her. My baby CVs launched many other Kates are various targets but nothing else was hit [:@]
Rob launched another air raid on Bangkok and was met with a score of Nates. In the end the British air attack was driven off before any bombs were dropped and a pair of Buffalos and a Blenheim were shot down with no losses amongst my Nates.
Now the good news.. On the ground the IJA really got it done this turn capturing 9 bases including: Legaspi (1200 POWs), Kendari, Belikpapin, Kuching, Changsha (resources fully intact), San Marcelino, Davao, Guam and Laoag. I am already moving fighters and long range bombers to Kendari and Balikpapin as well as a chutai of Nells to Kuching to try to hit the fleeing allied ships. Hong Kong and Yenen still hold on, but attacks will continue there. In not such a surprise move, Rob has moved 4 chinese units into Nanning. It is probably an even fight and will come down to the first attack - how much damage he takes... I have a full Bde and a BF there and they sit behind 2 or 3 forts. I have no units to rush there larger than SNLFs and I have a couple on the way, but they are 3-4 days away at best so hopefully the base can hold.
Not much else is happening yet. I want to make some moves in the South Pacific from Truk, but don't have the air or naval power there to support any real offensives, so I must wait. After a couple more days of bombing Manilla and Clark Field, I will transfer the long-range bombers from Formosa down to Truk to provide protection against any allied attacks. Until then Truk is kinda exposed - especially against air attacks - but luckily the US CVs are 4-5 days away at best speed - unless they want to cut past Kwajalein and take the hits from the bombers based there...
In all I sunk 8 allied ships this turn (1 Sub, 3 APs, 2 AKs, 1 MSW and a CA) while losing 2 PCs (1 sunk, 1 scuttled) and 2 Subs. Not a bad trade, but I'd rather have not lost the subs..
Xargun
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RE: 9 December 1941
You've already lost how many subs? 2 plus a probable? 9 Dec? What exactly was done this patch to reduce Allied ASW effectiveness?
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RE: 9 December 1941
ORIGINAL: Ron Saueracker
You've already lost how many subs? 2 plus a probable? 9 Dec? What exactly was done this patch to reduce Allied ASW effectiveness?
I believe the fault was mine - to aggressive.. One was lost in shallow water off Soerbaja and the other one was in deep water but ran into like 8 DDs... The third must have been spotted without me knowing it and attacked by at least 3 ASW DDs..
Xargun
10-11 December 1941
Well two more days have gone by with some ok results.
10 December
My air attack on PH claim two more ships - a PT and CL Detroit, as well as put more torps into battleship row. My surface ships find and demolish a lone PG and my aircraft sink another AK.
On the ground my troops capture Nauru Island, as well as Khota Bharu and Kuantan in Malaya - finally giving me my ports in Malaya for ease of transfering men and supplies.. Fighters are moving in now and AV support are right behind them.
11 December
My air force is finally beginning to pull its own weight. They sunk a total of 4 ships plus damaging several others (2 AK, 1 DD and an AD).
KB has retired from PH heading NE to refuel, then it will split - 2 CVs will stay in the area for a while then intercept TFs between PH and West Coast and the other 4 will head for Wake to support invasion there.
On the ground I captured Victoria Point and the BF there. The Imperial Guards and the tank regiment will turn north and head to Tavoy next..
I-154 is ordered to report home for commendations [:D] Today she sunk her 3rd and 4th enemy ship - a pair of AKs off the coast of Batavia... She is out of torpedoes and low on gun ammo as well and ordered to Kuching to replenish there - an AS is sent to meet her. LCDR K Mortiwaki will recieve commendation as well as his crew.. In only 4 days of war, they have sunk 4 or 5 ships (can't remember if they got the 5th or just damaged it). Once they are replenished (and a day of R & R) they will be sent back out to sink more enemy ships.
Other than that not much is going on. Hong Kong is still alive and my men are bombarding while resting up. Troops are marching from Songhka to Alor Star (full division) which will then take out the NW corner of Malaya - Alor Star, Georgetown and the other base there. More men and supplies are pouring into Kuantan and will soon move out chasing enemy troops.
The PI buildup continues, as men, supplies and fuel pour into Lingayen and Laoag - as well as lots of bombers into Laoag to support the offensive against Clark Field. A full Bde is ordered SE from Lingayen to cut off retreating PI units - don't need more engineers in Clark or points further south. The division landed in Naga is simply holding its own bombarding the enemy forces there until the Shuzan Naval Guard unit can move in behind the base (from Lamon Bay) and cut off any avenue of retreat - then the division will begin attacking - trying to isolate and destroy the 2 PA divisions there without letting them retreat back to Manilla.
Rob has pulled most of the warships out of the DEI successfully now and I can't find them anywhere - which means they either escaped in 1 ship TFs north to Burma/India or fled to Java and points south - knowing Rob he fled south so he can use the warships to interdict my invasions in Java and southern pacific.
The air crews on my baby CVs are exhausted - not fatigue, but morally and they are pulling back to Kendari to rest a bit before heading back out. I am thinking of sending them to raid Darwin or another northern port in OZ once they are rested... what do you guys think ?
Xargun
10 December
My air attack on PH claim two more ships - a PT and CL Detroit, as well as put more torps into battleship row. My surface ships find and demolish a lone PG and my aircraft sink another AK.
On the ground my troops capture Nauru Island, as well as Khota Bharu and Kuantan in Malaya - finally giving me my ports in Malaya for ease of transfering men and supplies.. Fighters are moving in now and AV support are right behind them.
11 December
My air force is finally beginning to pull its own weight. They sunk a total of 4 ships plus damaging several others (2 AK, 1 DD and an AD).
KB has retired from PH heading NE to refuel, then it will split - 2 CVs will stay in the area for a while then intercept TFs between PH and West Coast and the other 4 will head for Wake to support invasion there.
On the ground I captured Victoria Point and the BF there. The Imperial Guards and the tank regiment will turn north and head to Tavoy next..
I-154 is ordered to report home for commendations [:D] Today she sunk her 3rd and 4th enemy ship - a pair of AKs off the coast of Batavia... She is out of torpedoes and low on gun ammo as well and ordered to Kuching to replenish there - an AS is sent to meet her. LCDR K Mortiwaki will recieve commendation as well as his crew.. In only 4 days of war, they have sunk 4 or 5 ships (can't remember if they got the 5th or just damaged it). Once they are replenished (and a day of R & R) they will be sent back out to sink more enemy ships.
Other than that not much is going on. Hong Kong is still alive and my men are bombarding while resting up. Troops are marching from Songhka to Alor Star (full division) which will then take out the NW corner of Malaya - Alor Star, Georgetown and the other base there. More men and supplies are pouring into Kuantan and will soon move out chasing enemy troops.
The PI buildup continues, as men, supplies and fuel pour into Lingayen and Laoag - as well as lots of bombers into Laoag to support the offensive against Clark Field. A full Bde is ordered SE from Lingayen to cut off retreating PI units - don't need more engineers in Clark or points further south. The division landed in Naga is simply holding its own bombarding the enemy forces there until the Shuzan Naval Guard unit can move in behind the base (from Lamon Bay) and cut off any avenue of retreat - then the division will begin attacking - trying to isolate and destroy the 2 PA divisions there without letting them retreat back to Manilla.
Rob has pulled most of the warships out of the DEI successfully now and I can't find them anywhere - which means they either escaped in 1 ship TFs north to Burma/India or fled to Java and points south - knowing Rob he fled south so he can use the warships to interdict my invasions in Java and southern pacific.
The air crews on my baby CVs are exhausted - not fatigue, but morally and they are pulling back to Kendari to rest a bit before heading back out. I am thinking of sending them to raid Darwin or another northern port in OZ once they are rested... what do you guys think ?
Xargun
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RE: 10-11 December 1941
I'm inclined against it. It worked pretty well in the actual war--which is why RRoberson is likely expecting it. There are not many, but a few Allied air units at this stage of the game which can do serious damage to baby Japanese flattops.
On the other hand, if the shipping in the DEI has been evacuated South, Darwin is a good place to put it...
On the other hand, if the shipping in the DEI has been evacuated South, Darwin is a good place to put it...
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12 December 1941
Another day and more allied ships sunk [:D]
Starting off with land combat - there really wasn't any. Hong Kong (and other chinese bases) suffered arty bombardments and several others suffered air raids, but no real combat in china. I got Apamama base free due to my troops at Tarawa - saves me from having to venture forth and invade it.
I lost another ship this turn - an AK that has been bombed twice, with a total of 3 reported hits. The AK was loaded with over 5000 supplies at Kuantan thus I didn't scuttle it - wanted to unload as much as I could before it sunk - it had like 90+ flt damage, so it was a gonner. Other than that only a single bomb hit on the BB Kongo - which left a small scorch mark and no damage.
My naval bombers (and some Sallies from Kuching) located and attacked several allied TFs resulting in only 2 ships sunk (an MSW and 1 AK), but two more AKs were heavily damaged along with a TK.. A small surface TF of DDs led by a CL encountered an allied PG and sunk it without it returning fire.
I have several large allied merchie TFs spotted and am attempting to engage them with surface TFs - its amazing Rob is moving merchies west across the northern coast of Borneo right past my air power in Saigon and Kuching... Not sure what he is doing, but I like it [:D] My Sallies at Kuching also spotted the two RN DDs from Hong Kong (sunk the third one yesterday) and managed to hit one with a couple bombs - this puts the two fleeing DDs both hit with 250 kgers and moving slow - I should finish them off this turn.
Other than that not much is going on.. KB partially refueled this turn and split into 2 TFs, one with 2 CVs - other with 4... Akagi & Kaga will stay behind and raid east of PH in a few days, while the rest are heading west towards Wake to support the upcoming invasion. I am bringing the SOuth Seas Detatchment and an NLF to hit Wake, so it should be enough. I am also gonna raid Midway as I pass so Rob knows where my CVs are - at least he will think he knows where they all are [:D]
My subs off the west coast spotted two allied TFs hugging the coast and moving south from Seattle.. The lead TF appears to be full of warships - probably an ASW TF and the second is merchies - not sure what he is hauling (if anything) but a sub is ordered to attempt to intercept the merchie TF. Perhaps he is hauling men that need killing [:D]
Other than that I am simply waiting for Rob to return the turn to keep going...
Xargun
Starting off with land combat - there really wasn't any. Hong Kong (and other chinese bases) suffered arty bombardments and several others suffered air raids, but no real combat in china. I got Apamama base free due to my troops at Tarawa - saves me from having to venture forth and invade it.
I lost another ship this turn - an AK that has been bombed twice, with a total of 3 reported hits. The AK was loaded with over 5000 supplies at Kuantan thus I didn't scuttle it - wanted to unload as much as I could before it sunk - it had like 90+ flt damage, so it was a gonner. Other than that only a single bomb hit on the BB Kongo - which left a small scorch mark and no damage.
My naval bombers (and some Sallies from Kuching) located and attacked several allied TFs resulting in only 2 ships sunk (an MSW and 1 AK), but two more AKs were heavily damaged along with a TK.. A small surface TF of DDs led by a CL encountered an allied PG and sunk it without it returning fire.
I have several large allied merchie TFs spotted and am attempting to engage them with surface TFs - its amazing Rob is moving merchies west across the northern coast of Borneo right past my air power in Saigon and Kuching... Not sure what he is doing, but I like it [:D] My Sallies at Kuching also spotted the two RN DDs from Hong Kong (sunk the third one yesterday) and managed to hit one with a couple bombs - this puts the two fleeing DDs both hit with 250 kgers and moving slow - I should finish them off this turn.
Other than that not much is going on.. KB partially refueled this turn and split into 2 TFs, one with 2 CVs - other with 4... Akagi & Kaga will stay behind and raid east of PH in a few days, while the rest are heading west towards Wake to support the upcoming invasion. I am bringing the SOuth Seas Detatchment and an NLF to hit Wake, so it should be enough. I am also gonna raid Midway as I pass so Rob knows where my CVs are - at least he will think he knows where they all are [:D]
My subs off the west coast spotted two allied TFs hugging the coast and moving south from Seattle.. The lead TF appears to be full of warships - probably an ASW TF and the second is merchies - not sure what he is hauling (if anything) but a sub is ordered to attempt to intercept the merchie TF. Perhaps he is hauling men that need killing [:D]
Other than that I am simply waiting for Rob to return the turn to keep going...
Xargun
Ballsy plan or stupid manuever ???
I am contemptlating using 2 CVs and some heavy AA cover from KB to make a run at the northern west coast - seattle area.. I will have to check to see if there is any real factories or such there to hit to make it worthwhile.. What do you guys think ?
Xargun
Xargun
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Ron Saueracker
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RE: Ballsy plan or stupid manuever ???
ORIGINAL: Xargun
I am contemptlating using 2 CVs and some heavy AA cover from KB to make a run at the northern west coast - seattle area.. I will have to check to see if there is any real factories or such there to hit to make it worthwhile.. What do you guys think ?
Xargun
What's the point?
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RE: Ballsy plan or stupid manuever ???
ORIGINAL: Ron Saueracker
What's the point?
Kill aircraft on the ground and damage factories - scoring points and delaying his production. Perhaps even hit the port and kill ships.
Xargun
RE: Ballsy plan or stupid manuever ???
At the cost of valuable pilots. And the risk to the CV's if they get hit. Why not just interdict the SLOC between the US and OZ?
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RE: Ballsy plan or stupid manuever ???
I am contemptlating using 2 CVs and some heavy AA cover from KB to make a run at the northern west coast - seattle area.. I will have to check to see if there is any real factories or such there to hit to make it worthwhile.. What do you guys think ?
How much of a problem have B-17's been when playing against rroberson? Seattle is where the factory is. (And there's a substantial shipyard too.)
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