Braveheart, the Patriot, now becomes a GRUNT!

Hauptmann6 · Post by **Hauptmann6** » Sat Jun 23, 2001 4:12 am

Tour of Duty... I knew I wasn't imagining that!!! I remembered watching it as a kid when I went to the neibors house that had a TV(we didn't have electricity).

BTW does anyone know if there are any episodes of that show floating around on the net? Big downloads don't worry me... hehe

Haupt

Alby · Post by **Alby** » Sat Jun 23, 2001 5:29 am

Originally posted by Hauptmann6:
Tour of Duty... I knew I wasn't imagining that!!! I remembered watching it as a kid when I went to the neibors house that had a TV(we didn't have electricity).

BTW does anyone know if there are any episodes of that show floating around on the net? Big downloads don't worry me... hehe
They still show it on TNT I believe, one day a week, may be saturday or sunday, ive watched it recently tho.

Haupt

Tour of duty is still on TV, Ive watched it recently, I think ON TNT, but not sure when and what time.

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Randy · Post by **Randy** » Sat Jun 23, 2001 8:17 am

Tour of Duty was a really good TV show. You had the new Lt. the gung ho kid, the seasoned Sgt, and the rest were guys just doing their tour of duty for their nation.
Semper Fi
Randy

Randy · Post by **Randy** » Sat Jun 23, 2001 8:20 am

Hey, Mel Gibson has quite a war record: Scot fighting the Brits, American fighting the Brits, Aussie fighting the Turks, and now an
American again fighting the NVA. He must have a serious collection of campaign ribbons!!
Semper Fi
Randy

m10bob · Post by **m10bob** » Sat Jun 23, 2001 8:32 am

How many of us are vets of Vietnam?..see,i am,and i have no interest..whole damn library,1 book on nam..but "buku" (bou coup) on WW2...(Platoon" was about as "real" for that war as i've seen)...I have this theory that vets are all amatuer historians with a real fear the kids today just don't give a damn,'cuz "what we don't learn from we are doomed to repeat"(etc.)

NateD · Post by **NateD** » Sat Jun 23, 2001 11:29 am

I'm not a VNVet but my dad was over there from fall of 67 until spring of 70. He was with MACV.

I think because of that, I've read almost every book I've ever come across on the subject. I watch every movie that comes out about. The whole thing has me captivated.

BTW, "Tour of Duty" is on TNT on Saturdays around noon. I think they show 2-3 shows during the day on Saturday.

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Wild Bill · Post by **Wild Bill** » Sat Jun 23, 2001 3:20 pm

I can readily understand your feelings M10. On the other hand, I think knowledge of the Vietnam War is vital to those who came along afterward. (The war was over 30 years ago!)

I was a little too old to go. The Army did not want me. Married with four kids at 27 made it impossible for me.

Friends did go. Some did not return. I would thank you for your service to our country and what you had to endure.

We can learn from it, but only if we know about it.

The sacrifice of so many fine young men should not be ignored or forgotten.

Wild Bill

JWW · Post by **JWW** » Sat Jun 23, 2001 7:49 pm

I enlisted for the Army in July, 1973. (I had just lost a scholarship after two years of college due to excessive partying. I returned two years later w/an ROTC scholarship and finished w/honors. I learned my lesson.) It was in that strange not-quite-post Vietnam era. The drill sergeants at Ft. Polk were in the process of converting our training from Vietnam-type training to European-type. It was clear some of this (for example, the squad wedge formation) was new to them. I remember one saying that in the old days he would have taught us to take a hill by going single file up the wooded ravines at night, but now we were supposed to go up the more open ridgelines in wedge formation in daylight. The drill sergeants had also been ordered not to teach us the Vietnam-era "jody calls," but when they got us away from the cantonment area, they did. Some were really neat ("Vietna-a-a-a-am, Vietna-a-a-a-am. Late at night while you're sleeping, Charlie Cong comes a creeping arou-ou-ou-ound. Vietnam.")

m10bob · Post by **m10bob** » Sat Jun 23, 2001 9:11 pm

We were never defeated on the ground in any sizable battle..technology was not always on our side.(the micro-management of bird colonels flying directly over our positions and giving orders from overhead literally served to show the enemy our *exact* positions....anything by Col David Hackworth is a must read if you want to see real history from the perspective of a guy who worked up from private to "0-6",Korea to vietnam..(indeed,he was the model for the character played by brando in apocolypse now(most decorated soldier of Nam)..pentogon did and still hates his guts because he tried to show what mcnamara finally "fessed up to" in *his* book..my generation was dusted by the liars in D.C. who had contempt for the gallant grunt(officers included)..thank god we did learn from a few of our mistakes and the gulf war was fought more like mcarthur (cut 'em off,starve 'em,kill 'em),least friendly casualties in modern times....Hamburger Hill was just the opposite..civil war,(or ww one tactics,"walk into the machine guns,boys!")...the grunts in nam had espirit and pretty much knew they were "on their own"..a popular song of the 1st(air)cav in the late 60's,to the tune of "the m.t.a.".....did you ever hear the story of the cong named charlie on that tragic and fateful day,put 10 rounds in his pocket,kissed his wife goodbye,and went off to fight the u.s.a....but did he ever return? no,he never returned,and his fate is still unlearned..he's must run those trackless jungles,he's the cong who never returned.......now you folks down round AN KHE way,are'nt you glad the 1st cav came to stay? he must run those trackless jungles,the cong who shall never return.....(end)...now,history..the V.C. ceased to exist at TET 1968..the vc were the communist "south vietnamese"..the north vietnamese realized the war would be over eventually,and they needed to get rid of all those "southern" loudmouths..the north always followed their training and the principles of their trainers.(same folks who "camped out" during the warsaw ghetto uprising and could have marched into warsaw to save the ghetto-not bias,just cold hard fact..the regime at the time....)..after tet,every major "enemy unit encountered was an NVA "regular"(no foolishness here,they were "REAL" soldiers,fully equipped like an army and in some areas had TANKS)....My respect and desire to maintain the memory of my dad's generation,"THE GREATEST GENERATION",is that i have learned a single bullet is all that matters on the battlefield,and all the planes and tanks in the world,with TECHNOLOGY can only help to deliver that bullet,and that the troops of ww2 were in that conflict,unwillingly,after being forced into it,by governmental evil and madmen who would conquer th world (if they had been allowed)..thank God they were not allowed....yes,the Vietnam war Must be studied,and remembered,but not as something "glorious" nor "gallant",but as an example of how NOT to conduct wars..NO WAR CAN BE FOUGHT TO A CONCLUSION UNLESS THE COMBATANT IS *WILLING* TO WIN..the Americans were led by a regime(or series of regimes who only wanted to force the commies out by financial attrition....unfortunately,their "nuts" were never in the fire............I love my country and just do not want to see that happen again...i am a hawk with an olive branch in one hand,(like on our money)....you can have the soapbox back,sir,i'm finished......bob