Test AAR between 2ndACR and RonS

[Tankerace]

He got his orders? Damn. This close you think they could've at least waited till after Christmas.

[2ndACR]

Not my deployment orders, but I am now officially assigned to the unit. Still waiting on my orders to link up with my unit down in Hood. Right now they have me assigned to rear detachment.

HEHE, I will let Ron post the results for turn 2.

[Ron Saueracker]

ORIGINAL: 2ndACR

Not my deployment orders, but I am now officially assigned to the unit. Still waiting on my orders to link up with my unit down in Hood. Right now they have me assigned to rear detachment.

HEHE, I will let Ron post the results for turn 2.

I suck at posting and this post SUCKs!! so Dave can do the honours[:@] Curse of having to redo turn one a dozen times because of endless requirements to restart because of bugs. Forgot to change CAP and speed levels on the Enterprise and Lexington TFs. Halsey's dead and Enterprise is gone because I thought I had but must have been in another life. One of the few leaders which did not Fack off on me. Leaders are so bad BGen Wavell is the CO of Sailfish![8|] Whatever. Good thing this is a test as a mistake like that on turn one blows![:)]

Boise runs into an unescorted TR TF at Davao and sinks two APs. Gonna fire the gunnery officer when he gets back as he fails to fire on the other 90% of the visible TF.

CV Enterprise of the Essex class is laid down at the Add,Water and Stir yards in California. This ship will stay in SF forever as this a non respawning scenario.

[2ndACR]

9 Dec 1941

Today was chock full of surface battles. Ron has decided to come out and play fast and early. Since Ron got bit by the forget to reset speeds, so did I or else we would have had a monster surface battle at Kuching. As it is, he got away.

AFTER ACTION REPORTS FOR 12/09/41

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Night Time Surface Combat, near Kuching at 28,56

Japanese Ships
CL Kashii, Shell hits 1
CL Isuzu, Shell hits 2
DD Kiji

Allied Ships
BB Prince of Wales, Shell hits 3
BC Repulse
CL Danae
DD Electra
DD Express/Gatineau

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Night Time Surface Combat, near Kuching at 28,56

Japanese aircraft
no flights

Japanese aircraft losses
E7K2: 2 destroyed

Japanese Ships
CL Kashii, Shell hits 15, on fire, heavy damage
CL Isuzu, Shell hits 8, and is sunk
DD Kiji, Shell hits 5, on fire, heavy damage

Allied Ships
BB Prince of Wales, Shell hits 3
BC Repulse, Shell hits 4
CL Danae, Shell hits 1
DD Electra, Shell hits 3, on fire, heavy damage
DD Express/Gatineau, Shell hits 4, on fire

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Night Time Surface Combat, near Lingayen at 44,50

Japanese Ships
CL Naka
DD Natsugumo
DD Minegumo
DD Asagumo
DD Murasame
DD Harusame
DD Yudachi
DD Samidare

Allied Ships
PT MTB-7
PT MTB-8
PT MTB-9, Shell hits 2, and is sunk
PT MTB-10
PT MTB-11, Shell hits 4, and is sunk
PT MTB-12

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Night Time Surface Combat, near Lingayen at 44,50

Japanese Ships
CL Naka
DD Natsugumo
DD Minegumo, Shell hits 1
DD Asagumo
DD Murasame
DD Harusame
DD Yudachi
DD Samidare

Allied Ships
PT MTB-26, Shell hits 1, and is sunk
PT MTB-27, Shell hits 3, and is sunk

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Night Time Surface Combat, near Menado at 39,67

Japanese Ships
AP Sanfuku Maru
AP Shikano Maru, Shell hits 27, and is sunk
AP Shinkoku Maru, Shell hits 7, on fire, heavy damage

Allied Ships
CL Boise

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Night Time Surface Combat, near Lingayen at 44,50

Japanese Ships
CL Naka
DD Natsugumo
DD Minegumo
DD Asagumo
DD Murasame
DD Harusame
DD Yudachi
DD Samidare

Allied Ships
PT MTB-7
PT MTB-8
PT MTB-10, Shell hits 116, and is sunk
PT MTB-12

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Night Time Surface Combat, near Lingayen at 44,50

Japanese Ships
DE PB-34, Shell hits 3, Torpedo hits 1, on fire, heavy damage
DE PB-39
DE PB-35
DE PB-38, Shell hits 1, Torpedo hits 1, on fire
PG Kiso Maru

Allied Ships
PT MTB-7
PT MTB-8
PT MTB-12

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Night Time Surface Combat, near Kuching at 28,56

Japanese Ships
MSW Wa 3, Shell hits 6, and is sunk
AP Choko Maru, Shell hits 14, and is sunk
AP Giyu Maru, Shell hits 6, and is sunk
AP Gosei Maru
AP Haguro Maru
AP Hakutetsu Maru #13
AP Hokuhi Maru, Shell hits 15, and is sunk
AP Iwaki Maru, and is sunk
AP Kaihei Maru, Shell hits 18, and is sunk
AP Kaika Maru, Shell hits 10, and is sunk
AP Kaiko Maru
AP Kaishi Maru
AP Koshu Maru #3, Shell hits 1, on fire
AP Meisho Maru

Allied Ships
BB Prince of Wales
BC Repulse
CL Danae
DD Electra, on fire, heavy damage
DD Express/Gatineau, Shell hits 1, on fire, heavy damage

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Night Time Surface Combat, near Baker Island at 94,92

Japanese Ships
AP Kotobuki Maru #3
AP Shintoku Maru, Shell hits 3, on fire, heavy damage
AP Uji Maru

Allied Ships
CA Pensacola

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Naval bombardment of Baker Island, at 94,92

Allied Ships
CA Pensacola

Runway hits 1
Port hits 1
Port fuel hits 1

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Day Air attack on Singapore , at 23,50 Not sure about the torpedos being launched

Japanese aircraft
A6M2 0-Sen x 22
G3M2 x 66

Allied aircraft
Buffalo I x 23

Japanese aircraft losses
A6M2 0-Sen: 2 destroyed
G3M2: 6 destroyed, 11 damaged

Allied aircraft losses
Buffalo I: 30 destroyed, 2 damaged

Airbase hits 5
Airbase supply hits 2
Runway hits 19

Aircraft Attacking:
14 x G3M2 bombing at 10000 feet
11 x G3M2 launching torpedoes at 200 feet
3 x G3M2 bombing at 10000 feet
6 x G3M2 launching torpedoes at 200 feet
5 x G3M2 bombing at 10000 feet
4 x G3M2 bombing at 10000 feet
4 x G3M2 bombing at 10000 feet
3 x G3M2 bombing at 10000 feet
2 x G3M2 bombing at 10000 feet
3 x G3M2 bombing at 10000 feet
2 x G3M2 bombing at 10000 feet
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Day Time Surface Combat, near Amboina at 39,73

Japanese Ships
AP Shinwa Maru, Shell hits 16, Torpedo hits 1, and is sunk
AP Sumanoura Maru, Shell hits 14, on fire, heavy damage
AP Taiho Maru, Shell hits 13, on fire, heavy damage

Allied Ships
CL De Ruyter
DD Banckert
DD Witte de With
DD Kortenaer
DD Piet Hein

Japanese ground losses:
168 casualties reported

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Day Time Surface Combat, near Amboina at 39,73

Japanese Ships
AP Sasago Maru, Shell hits 4, on fire
AP Siraha Maru, Shell hits 1
AP Toyo Maru #2, Shell hits 5, on fire, heavy damage
AP Ujigawa Maru
AP Yamafuku Maru, Shell hits 6, on fire, heavy damage
AP Daitei Maru, Shell hits 4, on fire

Allied Ships
CL De Ruyter
DD Banckert
DD Witte de With
DD Kortenaer
DD Piet Hein

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Sub attack at 110,69

Japanese Ships
SS I-172

Allied Ships
DD Craven
DD Balch
DD Fanning
DD Dunlap
DD Ellet
DD Maury
DD McCall
DD Gridley


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Ground combat at Aparri

Japanese Deliberate attack

Attacking force 2560 troops, 14 guns, 0 vehicles

Defending force 0 troops, 0 guns, 0 vehicles

Japanese assault odds: 94 to 1 (fort level 0)

Japanese forces CAPTURE Aparri base !!!



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Ground combat at Menado

Japanese Deliberate attack

Attacking force 2532 troops, 15 guns, 0 vehicles

Defending force 2013 troops, 17 guns, 2 vehicles

Japanese assault odds: 4 to 1 (fort level 2)

Japanese forces CAPTURE Menado base !!!


Japanese ground losses:
38 casualties reported
Guns lost 1

Allied ground losses:
1704 casualties reported
Guns lost 20


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Ground combat at Kuching

Japanese Deliberate attack

Attacking force 13273 troops, 160 guns, 0 vehicles

Defending force 1576 troops, 7 guns, 0 vehicles

Japanese assault odds: 10 to 1 (fort level 2)

Japanese forces CAPTURE Kuching base !!!


Japanese ground losses:
170 casualties reported
Guns lost 4

Allied ground losses:
803 casualties reported
Guns lost 2


Defeated Allied Units Retreating!

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Ground combat at Hong Kong

Japanese Bombardment attack

Attacking force 24425 troops, 327 guns, 17 vehicles

Defending force 12351 troops, 105 guns, 0 vehicles



Allied ground losses:
111 casualties reported
Guns lost 4


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Ground combat at Davao

Japanese Deliberate attack

Attacking force 9053 troops, 79 guns, 19 vehicles

Defending force 3778 troops, 37 guns, 1 vehicles

Japanese engineers reduce fortifications to 1

Japanese assault odds: 16 to 1 (fort level 1)

Japanese forces CAPTURE Davao base !!!


Japanese ground losses:
58 casualties reported
Guns lost 2

Allied ground losses:
30 casualties reported
Guns lost 1


Defeated Allied Units Retreating!

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Ground combat at Khota Bharu

Japanese Deliberate attack

Attacking force 20846 troops, 236 guns, 15 vehicles

Defending force 4612 troops, 36 guns, 0 vehicles

Japanese assault odds: 5 to 1 (fort level 4)

Japanese Assault reduces fortifications to 3


Japanese ground losses:
279 casualties reported
Guns lost 7

Allied ground losses:
22 casualties reported
Guns lost 1


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Ground combat at Hong Kong

Allied Bombardment attack

Attacking force 11298 troops, 100 guns, 0 vehicles

Defending force 33057 troops, 327 guns, 17 vehicles



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Ground combat at Khota Bharu

Allied Bombardment attack

Attacking force 4542 troops, 34 guns, 0 vehicles

Defending force 22838 troops, 222 guns, 15 vehicles

[Ron Saueracker]

Absolutely brutal bite! Big fleet carrier for nothing. Dumb, dumb, dumb. Ratzafrackenbrickabracken!!![:@] Gonna hurt for a long time. Bwhaaaaah!

Now I've tons of Japs commanding ships.[&:]

I'm always perturbed when my surface action groups go into a hex and repeatedly get surprised while expecting combat. Especially twice in a row the same night vs the same enemy TF. Brit MTBs did OK though.

Isuzu's magazines exploded with first penetrating hit!

[Ron Saueracker]

Just so you know, this game has the ASW weapons accuracy and effect cut by 50%.

[2ndACR]

ASW is working alot better. I left all those subs parked there for a few days to give you a crack at them to see what effect your changes have made.

You have alot of note taking to do this turn.

Oh and for the people reading this. I did not post the results of the turn Ron was cursing about. I put KB to full speed and made a speed run to about 2 hexes from Parylma island and caught Enterprise at my max range. She ate about 50 250kg bombs before sinking.
She took her entire air group down with her.

Now to find the Lexington.

[Ron Saueracker]

A little early to tell but ASW does seem a bit better. Less DDs finding a good contact and a lot less multiple hits so far. Of five ASW TFs attacking 5 subs (4DD perTF) one sub was hit with only two DCs but was sunk. Aircraft attacking subs is another matter entirely. I've always believed that the number of sighting and attacks should be toned down. It's like the subs are on a daylight pleasure cruise in enemy waters. Should be assumed that subs spend most of their time submerged during daylight 60 miles off enemy bases. They are subs after all.

Weird airgroup targeting continues. Dave sent a large BB TF into the Java Sea and they only attract a few bombers. Seems that bombergroups never attack the closest target and spread themselves out instead of acting as a unit.

Dave, post your results, please. I'd be interested to see how they differ from mine.

[2ndACR]

Sorry for the delay. The recliner monster got me.[8|]

Here are the results. I hate when the replays get screwed up.

AFTER ACTION REPORTS FOR 12/10/41

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Coastal Guns at Khota Bharu, 24,45, firing at TF 102
TF 102 troops unloading over beach at Khota Bharu, 24,45


7 Coastal gun shots fired in defense.
Japanese ground losses:
39 casualties reported

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Coastal Guns at hex 43,53 firing, at TF 131
TF 131 troops unloading over beach at 43,53


15 Coastal gun shots fired in defense.
Japanese Ships
AP Fukkai Maru

Japanese ground losses:
33 casualties reported

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ASW attack at 45,48

Japanese Ships
PG Kiso Maru
DE PB-35
DE PB-39

Allied Ships
SS Seal

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ASW attack at 111,69

Japanese Ships
SS I-16

Allied Ships
DD Shaw
DD Conyngham
DD Case
DD Cummings

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Sub attack at 36,47

Japanese Ships
AP Tacoma Maru

Allied Ships
SS Sargo

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Sub attack at 111,67

Japanese Ships
SS I-9

Allied Ships
DD Mugford
DD Helm
DD Blue
DD Bagley

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ASW attack near Lokai at 112,69

Japanese Ships
SS I-1

Allied Ships
DD Selfridge
DD Patterson
DD Henley
DD Ralph Talbot

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ASW attack at 111,70

Japanese Ships
SS I-8, hits 2, on fire, heavy damage

Allied Ships
DD Downes
DD Cassin
DD Tucker
DD Reid

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Naval bombardment of Amboina, at 39,73

Allied Ships
CL Boise
DD Piet Hein
DD Kortenaer
DD Witte de With
DD Banckert
CL De Ruyter

Japanese ground losses:
95 casualties reported
Guns lost 2

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ASW attack at 112,67

Japanese Ships
SS I-4

Allied Ships
DD Ward
DD Chew
DD Litchfield
DD Allen

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TF 15 troops unloading over beach at Makin, 85,89


Japanese ground losses:
45 casualties reported

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Coastal Guns at Khota Bharu, 24,45, firing at TF 102
TF 102 troops unloading over beach at Khota Bharu, 24,45


Japanese ground losses:
54 casualties reported

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Sub attack at 29,54

Japanese Ships
AP Kaiko Maru

Allied Ships
SS O20

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Sub attack at 111,69

Japanese Ships
SS I-16

Allied Ships
DD Cummings
DD Shaw
DD Conyngham
DD Case

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Day Air attack on Singapore , at 23,50

Japanese aircraft
A6M2 0-Sen x 19
G3M2 x 57

Allied aircraft
no flights

Japanese aircraft losses
G3M2: 8 destroyed, 22 damaged

Allied aircraft losses
Buffalo I: 5 destroyed, 4 damaged
Blenheim IV: 1 destroyed
Vildebeest IV: 1 destroyed


Allied ground losses:
29 casualties reported

Airbase hits 10
Runway hits 38

Aircraft Attacking:
8 x G3M2 bombing at 10000 feet
7 x G3M2 launching torpedoes at 200 feet
3 x G3M2 launching torpedoes at 200 feet
3 x G3M2 launching torpedoes at 200 feet
8 x G3M2 bombing at 10000 feet
3 x G3M2 bombing at 10000 feet
3 x G3M2 launching torpedoes at 200 feet
2 x G3M2 bombing at 10000 feet
5 x G3M2 bombing at 10000 feet
3 x G3M2 bombing at 10000 feet
3 x G3M2 bombing at 10000 feet
3 x G3M2 bombing at 10000 feet
3 x G3M2 bombing at 10000 feet
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Day Air attack on Clark Field , at 43,51

Japanese aircraft
A6M2 0-Sen x 61
G3M2 x 31
G4M1 x 47
Ki-46-II x 2

Allied aircraft
no flights

Japanese aircraft losses
G3M2: 1 damaged

Allied aircraft losses

Airbase hits 3
Runway hits 39

Aircraft Attacking:
12 x G3M2 bombing at 15000 feet
4 x G3M2 bombing at 15000 feet
3 x G3M2 bombing at 15000 feet
10 x G3M2 bombing at 15000 feet
18 x G4M1 bombing at 15000 feet
17 x G4M1 bombing at 15000 feet
3 x G4M1 bombing at 15000 feet
3 x G4M1 bombing at 15000 feet
2 x G3M2 bombing at 15000 feet
3 x G4M1 bombing at 15000 feet
3 x G4M1 bombing at 15000 feet
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Day Air attack on Clark Field , at 43,51

Japanese aircraft
G4M1 x 16

Allied aircraft
no flights

Japanese aircraft losses
G4M1: 2 damaged

Allied aircraft losses
P-40B Tomahawk: 1 destroyed, 1 damaged


Allied ground losses:
13 casualties reported

Runway hits 10

Aircraft Attacking:
8 x G4M1 bombing at 15000 feet
8 x G4M1 bombing at 15000 feet
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Day Air attack on 18th Division, at 24,45


Allied aircraft
Wirraway x 5


No Allied losses

Aircraft Attacking:
5 x Wirraway attacking at 100 feet
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Day Air attack on 18th Division, at 24,45


Allied aircraft
Buffalo I x 19
Blenheim IV x 11


No Allied losses

Japanese ground losses:
37 casualties reported
Guns lost 1

Aircraft Attacking:
6 x Blenheim IV bombing at 2000 feet
5 x Blenheim IV bombing at 2000 feet
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Day Air attack on 8th Indian Brigade, at 24,45

Japanese aircraft
Ki-43-Ib Hayabusa x 22
Ki-21-II x 18
Ki-48-II x 47
Ki-46-II x 1
Ki-15 Karigane x 4

No Japanese losses


Allied ground losses:
40 casualties reported

Aircraft Attacking:
9 x Ki-48-II bombing at 6000 feet
14 x Ki-48-II bombing at 6000 feet
15 x Ki-21-II bombing at 6000 feet
12 x Ki-48-II bombing at 6000 feet
12 x Ki-48-II bombing at 6000 feet
3 x Ki-21-II bombing at 6000 feet
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Day Air attack on 8th Indian Brigade, at 24,45

Japanese aircraft
Ki-21-II x 37
Ki-46-II x 2
Ki-15 Karigane x 2

No Japanese losses


Allied ground losses:
32 casualties reported

Aircraft Attacking:
15 x Ki-21-II bombing at 6000 feet
22 x Ki-21-II bombing at 6000 feet
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Day Air attack on TF at 39,62

Japanese aircraft
A5M4 96-Sen x 4
A6M2 0-Sen x 1

Allied aircraft
B-17D Fortress x 3

No Japanese losses

No Allied losses

Japanese Ships
CVL Ryujo

Aircraft Attacking:
3 x B-17D Fortress bombing at 15000 feet
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Day Air attack on TF, near Khota Bharu at 24,45


Allied aircraft
Hudson I x 12


Allied aircraft losses
Hudson I: 10 destroyed, 4 damaged

Japanese Ships
CA Chokai
DD Arashi
CA Kumano
CA Mikuma

Aircraft Attacking:
3 x Hudson I bombing at 2000 feet
1 x Hudson I bombing at 2000 feet
2 x Hudson I bombing at 2000 feet
2 x Hudson I bombing at 2000 feet
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Day Air attack on TF at 24,58


Allied aircraft
Martin 139 x 5


Allied aircraft losses
Martin 139: 6 damaged

Japanese Ships
BB Ise
BB Fuso

Aircraft Attacking:
3 x Martin 139 bombing at 4000 feet
2 x Martin 139 bombing at 5000 feet
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Day Air attack on TF at 24,58


Allied aircraft
Martin 139 x 10


Allied aircraft losses
Martin 139: 2 destroyed, 7 damaged

Japanese Ships
BB Ise
BB Fuso
BB Yamashiro

Aircraft Attacking:
3 x Martin 139 bombing at 5000 feet
3 x Martin 139 bombing at 5000 feet
3 x Martin 139 bombing at 5000 feet
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Day Air attack on TF, near Khota Bharu at 24,45


Allied aircraft
Hudson I x 3


No Allied losses

Japanese Ships
AP Kasui Maru

Aircraft Attacking:
3 x Hudson I bombing at 2000 feet
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Day Air attack on TF, near Bulla at 40,75


Allied aircraft
Hudson I x 10


No Allied losses

Japanese Ships
AP Ujigawa Maru
AP Siraha Maru

Aircraft Attacking:
2 x Hudson I bombing at 3000 feet
4 x Hudson I bombing at 3000 feet
4 x Hudson I bombing at 3000 feet
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Day Air attack on TF at 29,54


Allied aircraft
T.IVa x 5


No Allied losses

Japanese Ships
AP Koshu Maru #3
AP Hakutetsu Maru #13

Aircraft Attacking:
1 x T.IVa bombing at 5000 feet
4 x T.IVa bombing at 5000 feet
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Day Air attack on TF, near Kuching at 28,56


Allied aircraft
T.IVa x 4


Allied aircraft losses
T.IVa: 1 damaged

Japanese Ships
AP Mikage Maru #2

Aircraft Attacking:
4 x T.IVa launching torpedoes at 200 feet
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Day Air attack on TF at 39,62

Japanese aircraft
A5M4 96-Sen x 4

Allied aircraft
B-17D Fortress x 3

No Japanese losses

Allied aircraft losses
B-17D Fortress: 1 damaged

Japanese Ships
CA Myoko

Aircraft Attacking:
3 x B-17D Fortress bombing at 15000 feet
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Day Air attack on TF at 24,58


Allied aircraft
Martin 139 x 3


Allied aircraft losses
Martin 139: 4 damaged

Japanese Ships
BB Ise

Aircraft Attacking:
3 x Martin 139 bombing at 5000 feet
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Day Air attack on TF, near Songkhia at 24,43


Allied aircraft
Albacore x 6
Buffalo I x 10


No Allied losses

Japanese Ships
AK Kansai Maru, Torpedo hits 1
AP Heiyo Maru

Aircraft Attacking:
2 x Albacore launching torpedoes at 200 feet
4 x Albacore launching torpedoes at 200 feet
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Day Air attack on TF, near Kuching at 28,56


Allied aircraft
Martin 139 x 2


No Allied losses

Japanese Ships
AP Haisho Maru

Aircraft Attacking:
2 x Martin 139 bombing at 5000 feet
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Day Air attack on TF, near Kuching at 28,56


Allied aircraft
Martin 139 x 3


Allied aircraft losses
Martin 139: 1 damaged

Japanese Ships
AP Haisho Maru

Aircraft Attacking:
3 x Martin 139 bombing at 5000 feet
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Day Air attack on TF at 26,44


Allied aircraft
Buffalo I x 14
Vildebeest IV x 10


Allied aircraft losses
Vildebeest IV: 1 damaged

Japanese Ships
PG Eiko Maru
PG Eifuku Maru
AP Neikai Maru, heavy damage

Aircraft Attacking:
4 x Vildebeest IV bombing at 5000 feet
2 x Vildebeest IV bombing at 5000 feet
4 x Vildebeest IV bombing at 5000 feet
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Day Air attack on TF at 34,61

Japanese aircraft
A6M2 0-Sen x 2
B5N x 15

Allied aircraft
Brewster 339D x 3

No Japanese losses

No Allied losses

Allied Ships
AK Hanyang, Bomb hits 7, on fire, heavy damage
AVD Heron, Bomb hits 3, on fire, heavy damage

Aircraft Attacking:
3 x B5N bombing at 5000 feet
4 x B5N bombing at 5000 feet
4 x B5N bombing at 5000 feet
4 x B5N bombing at 5000 feet
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Day Air attack on TF at 34,61

Japanese aircraft
A6M2 0-Sen x 7
B5N x 9

Allied aircraft
Brewster 339D x 3

No Japanese losses

No Allied losses

Allied Ships
AVD Heron, Bomb hits 3, on fire, heavy damage

Aircraft Attacking:
1 x B5N bombing at 5000 feet
4 x B5N bombing at 5000 feet
4 x B5N bombing at 5000 feet
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Day Air attack on TF at 34,61

Japanese aircraft
B5N x 5

Allied aircraft
Brewster 339D x 3

No Japanese losses

No Allied losses

Allied Ships
AVD Heron, on fire, heavy damage

Aircraft Attacking:
1 x B5N bombing at 5000 feet
4 x B5N bombing at 5000 feet
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ASW attack at 111,69

Japanese Ships
SS I-16

Allied Ships
DD Shaw
DD Conyngham
DD Case
DD Cummings

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Day Time Surface Combat at 24,58

Japanese Ships
BB Nagato
BB Fuso
BB Yamashiro
BB Ise
CL Sendai
CL Kinu
DD Fubuki
DD Shinonome
DD Usugumo
DD Wakatake
DD Kuretake

Allied Ships
DD Express/Gatineau, Shell hits 2, and is sunk

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Sub attack at 29,54

Japanese Ships
AP Gosei Maru, Torpedo hits 1, on fire, heavy damage

Allied Ships
SS O20

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Sub attack at 46,46

Japanese Ships
AP Tsuyama Maru, Shell hits 1, Torpedo hits 3, on fire, heavy damage

Allied Ships
SS S-37, hits 1

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Sub attack at 26,44

Japanese Ships
AP Neikai Maru, heavy damage

Allied Ships
SS KXI


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Ground combat at Hong Kong

Japanese Bombardment attack

Attacking force 24522 troops, 330 guns, 17 vehicles

Defending force 12208 troops, 100 guns, 0 vehicles



Allied ground losses:
166 casualties reported
Guns lost 4


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Ground combat at 43,53

Japanese Bombardment attack

Attacking force 22555 troops, 241 guns, 6 vehicles

Defending force 4173 troops, 42 guns, 0 vehicles


Japanese ground losses:
4 casualties reported
Guns lost 1

Allied ground losses:
45 casualties reported
Guns lost 1


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Ground combat at Khota Bharu

Japanese Deliberate attack

Attacking force 20434 troops, 221 guns, 15 vehicles

Defending force 4504 troops, 34 guns, 0 vehicles

Japanese assault odds: 4 to 1 (fort level 3)

Japanese Assault reduces fortifications to 2


Japanese ground losses:
122 casualties reported
Guns lost 2

Allied ground losses:
193 casualties reported
Guns lost 5


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Ground combat at Guiuan

Japanese Shock attack

Attacking force 739 troops, 6 guns, 0 vehicles

Defending force 0 troops, 0 guns, 0 vehicles

Japanese assault odds: 13 to 1 (fort level 0)

Japanese forces CAPTURE Guiuan base !!!



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Ground combat at Hong Kong

Allied Bombardment attack

Attacking force 11115 troops, 91 guns, 0 vehicles

Defending force 33190 troops, 330 guns, 17 vehicles



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Ground combat at Khota Bharu

Allied Bombardment attack

Attacking force 4249 troops, 26 guns, 0 vehicles

Defending force 24181 troops, 218 guns, 15 vehicles


Japanese ground losses:
13 casualties reported


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Ground combat at 43,53

Allied Bombardment attack

Attacking force 4112 troops, 39 guns, 0 vehicles

Defending force 23232 troops, 300 guns, 7 vehicles



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Ground combat at Makin

Japanese Shock attack

Attacking force 1327 troops, 14 guns, 0 vehicles

Defending force 0 troops, 0 guns, 0 vehicles

Japanese assault odds: 7 to 1 (fort level 0)

Japanese forces CAPTURE Makin base !!!

[dtravel]

ORIGINAL: Ron Saueracker
Aircraft attacking subs is another matter entirely. I've always believed that the number of sighting and attacks should be toned down. It's like the subs are on a daylight pleasure cruise in enemy waters. Should be assumed that subs spend most of their time submerged during daylight 60 miles off enemy bases. They are subs after all.

Strange, in my game I have yet to see any aircraft attack a sub. Maybe half-a-dozen spottings up to mid-July '42 but not a single attack. Since I'm playing against the AI, I wonder is there are different routines used in solo games than in PBEM games.

ORIGINAL: Ron Saueracker

Weird airgroup targeting continues. Dave sent a large BB TF into the Java Sea and they only attract a few bombers. Seems that bombergroups never attack the closest target and spread themselves out instead of acting as a unit.

Dutch air units seem to like to spread their attacks around.

[Tankerace]

So far, in my 1.3 scenario 27, I have had 6 sub sightings by aircraft, and not one single attack.

And, thanks to turning Allied Sub Doctrine off, my subs are kicking ass! Now if I can just get rid of those damned Mk XIV torpedoes.

[2ndACR]

The Dutch have had more dud torpedos than the Americans in our game.[:@]

I left all the Japanese subs around PH for 3 days to give Ron something to shoot at and test the ASW routines. His a/c have been spotting and attacking my subs like there is no tomorrow. I have 4 damaged subs now making their way to port because of air attack.

Now that I have dispersed them, we shall see if the spotting goes down some. I am going to deliberatly keep them close to PH though ranging out to 5 hexes around there to see the results.

At least the Allied ships in his ASW TF's are not killing everything they trip over as per usual. They are making attacks and have even fired off DC every once in a while without a hit. Normally, that would be a dead sub.

[racndoc]

In our PBEM v1.3 both sides have multiple sub sightings _every_ turn. As of 4-1-42, Allies have lost 5 subs....3 from ASW and 2 from plane launched torpedoes. The Japanese have lost 15 subs...all from ASW.

[2ndACR]

This one is a beta version for lack of a better word for it of the scenario Ron/Tankerace?Don Bowen are working on. Ron lowered ASW ratings and such to try and tone down the hyper ASW.

It is not a stock 1.3 game using Lemurs mod, but a plus version.

[Ron Saueracker]

What I noticed in my replay were AKsGovernor Wood and Governor Wright being destroyed by air attack, but the AVD Heron and sidekick were actually destroyed. Would have been nice if CV Enterprise was simply a replay glitch![:D]

[2ndACR]

Nah, I enjoyed that one too much. Now if only I can find Lexington, that would be a grand start to this game.[X(]

[Ron Saueracker]

I noticed ya waited to post the report until after I witnessed it. You were right about two things. Yes it pissed me off but really I'm not shocked or mystified by anything with this darn game anymore. Repetition breeds familiarity.[8|] And yes, you are partly right about surface combat but it is not broken, it is just a poor design.

Uh...oh, is Ron about to rant? Yes.[8D]

Surface Combat. I just don't get it but I know why. I try to rationalize what is happening but you simply can't as there is no cause and effect with it. You will see the results when Dave posts it but it needs a little background.

Two turns ago he mentioned having screwed up the speed on his BB TF so a naval battle between BBs was missed at Kuching. Well, two turns later it happens in the Batavia hex. His force of 4 BBs (2 Nagatos and 2 Fusos with a CL and some DDs) entered the Java Sea and could have bombarded anywhere. This being the case, I decided to leave the remnants of Force Z (PoW, Repulse and Danae all basically 100%) at Batavia and reinforced the TF with forces at Batavia (4 Dutch DDs, and CLs Java, Dragon and Durban).

Should have been an interesting battle given my advance warning of his presence so the TF should have been on high alert yet he was ready for trouble but had no idea what he might meet. Therefore there should be no surprises, basically a battle between two prepared forces. My ships have the speed advantage, two have type 271 surface radar (a model which was proven to work in two years of combat with RN and were aboard two veteran heavies) so I figured I should be able to pull off a draw result despite the disparity in BBs given he must withdraw past concentrated LBA with torpedo bombers and my CLs should draw some heavy fire.

WRONG! I keep forgetting what game I'm playing here. Let me add that I made sure to change Force Zs home base to Soerabaja with destination as Batavia and set TF to patrol (done because the game has a glitch which makes the TF based at same hex dock when you want it to patrol). Are ya ready?[8|]

Surface combat at Batavia...Allied force is surprised! WTF? Ok, whatever, it's BS but weird things happen in combat. Remember, my side has radar. Oh, and Nagato hit a mine on the way in and as the combat screen appeared she was burning brightly! So, despite a loud boom, bright fires at night and the supposed advantage of radar, Force Z is surprised by the one TF which they knew was coming.[8|]

Get to the next round after the IJN fires it's advantage round. Fire opens at 2000 yards!!! WTF Ridiculous! Hello? This is basically impossible in real life but happens all the time because of the design. Can't wait to see all TankerAce's work go to waste when this happens. Now the bloodening begins, but one would assume Repulse would be involved. Nope. Because it's a "sixty mile hex" it is not spotted and does not fire, despite radar and range 2000 yards. PoW gets plowed but fails to hit anything. Whatever. Battle ends. With speed advantage, the undamaged survivors would retireas the battle is lost and they have speed advantage.

NOPE! Can't remember the range in the second battle but for some reason we have one. Allied force is surprised again! 2xWTF?[:@][8|][:D] So, was it tea time or something? These burning Japanese ships which can't pursue (I could see light forces getting a crack but not BBs which are at least 5 kts slower and have sufferred underwater damage (mine hit)) achieve surprise on a TF which is in a high state of "Holy Crap, that was brutal, keep your eyes peeled and watch the radar." Give me a break! You will see the results presently but basically Force Z, with only BB disparity being a disadvantage, is totally shredded.

Conclusions restated for the upteenth time over two years. Surface Combat is so poorly designed I don't know where to begin, especially for a naval game. Should never have been modelled like a Napoleonic line of battle engagement. And if it was 1805, Nelson would lose as it would not be able to model tactics. There is no cause and effect at any level except how fires attract enemy attention. Radar has no effect aside from gunfire accuracy (maybe...PoW missed at 2000 with everything except 20mm). Surprise is random and is not based on anything but a arbitrary die roll. Ranges are way too close too often and should take into account radar, fires, etc. So many things wrong I'm going to stop now. Sad.

[ADavidB]

Ron - who were the commanders of the two forces?

Dave Baranyi

[Ron Saueracker]

The tweaks made to ASW are working like a charm so far.

Justin. Something weird happening with DD 66 Allen. It is in an ASW TF with three other DDs and while it detects subs, it does not show up as an attacker and is not listed in the combat reports. Gonna see if there is anything funny with the Sampson class data.

[Ron Saueracker]

ORIGINAL: ADavidB

Ron - who were the commanders of the two forces?

Dave Baranyi

Does it matter?[8|][:D] Tennant or Leach if leader bug was not an issue. Japanese, can't remember. You can be aggressive as hell but if you are driving a 25 yr old pickup, don't expect any sort of fist pounding to allow ya to catch a Bentley and a Silver Ghost.