First Impressions here please.

bluemonday · Post by **bluemonday** » Fri Jul 01, 2005 5:24 pm

This is not meant in any way other than surprise - I though pretty much everyone had printers now, at least the inkjet variety, since they have become so cheap. Is it true that there is a significant portion of gamers with no printer?

Budge4 · Post by **Budge4** » Fri Jul 01, 2005 5:50 pm

No printer here, unless game is something that i really do want (pain really cause most Matrix Games i want inluding Crown of Glory) i dont buy games without a printed manual, hate reading pdf files on screen and i know its not a Matrix Game but i have Dangerous Waters Deluxe Edition that comes with a 570 odd page printed manual which i like to read in bed with a nice cuppa, imagine the extra cost it would add to the game if i had to print that one out myself.

Budge

bluemonday · Post by **bluemonday** » Fri Jul 01, 2005 6:45 pm

I see. I would not be able to do my day job if I didn't have a printer available to use at home. I don't think I know anyone who owns a computer who does not have a printer attached to it. So I just find that surprising.

Gem35 · Post by **Gem35** » Fri Jul 01, 2005 6:55 pm

You are correct , Bluemonday, but how many of those have printer carts that actualy have ink in them? [:)]

DuckofTindalos · Post by **DuckofTindalos** » Fri Jul 01, 2005 7:02 pm

Well, my cartridges do, but I didn't get my printer until two years ago. Don't really want to spend all the ink on this manual, even though the .pdf is VERY inconvenient. That's the crotch-punch you take with the convenience of Direct Download (which I happen to think a lot more stores should adopt).

bluemonday · Post by **bluemonday** » Fri Jul 01, 2005 7:09 pm

I'm kind of still not getting the problem - even with a 100-page manual like COG has, at even a generous inkjet print cost of $0.05 per page (including paper and ink), that's only $5 to print the whole manual.

Budge4 · Post by **Budge4** » Fri Jul 01, 2005 9:05 pm

Would still rather have a proper manual than a collection of A4 sheets.

Is there a proper manual in the boxed version because noticed Digital Download+Physical Shipment is only £5 more than Digital Download alone which would make printing out the pdf for £5 a bit naff. Of course thats if the boxed version of COG has a printed manual.

Budge

bluemonday · Post by **bluemonday** » Fri Jul 01, 2005 9:14 pm

ORIGINAL: Budge4
Would still rather have a proper manual than a collection of A4 sheets.

Absolutely agree, but that's a completely separate issue from not having a printer in the first place.

Is there a proper manual in the boxed version because noticed Digital Download+Physical Shipment is only £5 more than Digital Download alone which would make printing out the pdf for £5 a bit naff. Of course thats if the boxed version of COG has a printed manual.

I don't believe the boxed version has a printed manual, either.

Montbrun · Post by **Montbrun** » Fri Jul 01, 2005 9:15 pm

There isn't a "hard copy" of the manual with the disk. You can always take the .PDF file to a printer (Kinko's here in the States will do it) and have it printed.

Brad

ravinhood · Post by **ravinhood** » Fri Jul 01, 2005 11:10 pm

Is it true that there is a significant portion of gamers with no printer?

I have no printer either. Had no use for one or need until "direct download" "jewel case" BS started to appear. That's the problem with change, it usually costs ME MORE MONEY! lol

bluemonday · Post by **bluemonday** » Sat Jul 02, 2005 12:30 am

ORIGINAL: ravinhood

Is it true that there is a significant portion of gamers with no printer?

I have no printer either. Had no use for one or need until "direct download" "jewel case" BS started to appear.

That sounds like you only have the computer for gaming - I assumed people would have a printer for work (or for school if they are students).

wodin · Post by **wodin** » Sat Jul 02, 2005 2:13 am

Problem?

Easy, its ease of use for a start. print it yourself then you have countless A4 pages lying around. Buy more games from MAtrix the next minute you have endless amounts of A4.

Take to a printer shop they charge a ridiculous amount to have it printed in a book format thus adding a fair bit to the price of the game. Result, money spent on what should really come with a boxed copy.

If Matrix mainly dlet with say FPS or even RTS games then fair enough. Manuals on a whole dont need to be read. Wargames a manual is essential.

Matrix say they need to sort out a deal with regards to printing manuals. I want to know how they printed of a boardgame?

goodwoodrw · Post by **goodwoodrw** » Sat Jul 02, 2005 2:37 am

Hey guys, look on the bright side of things, if this game only come with a bright glossy manual, u wouldn't be complaining cos wouldn't have the game, cos the manual would be still at the printers. I too was a printed manual fan, but u gotta weigh up the good with the bad, decide u can't drop an electronric manual in the bath water [;)]

ravinhood · Post by **ravinhood** » Sat Jul 02, 2005 2:44 am

decide u can't drop an electronric manual in the bath water

Sure can if you're reading the pdf on a notebook in the bath. hehe

ravinhood · Post by **ravinhood** » Sat Jul 02, 2005 2:46 am

It gives me a brainstorm for a new product though, who wants to fund it, need a couple mil should tide me over. hehe

But, how about a pocket pdf manual machine? Does nothing but hold pdf files you can take anywere and read anytime and will have a magnifying feature so you can easily read the manul from the pocket pdf unit? Would work in the bathroom or in the bed easily don't you think?

wodin · Post by **wodin** » Sat Jul 02, 2005 2:46 am

ORIGINAL: ravinhood

It gives me a brainstorm for a new product though, who wants to fund it, need a couple mil should tide me over. hehe

But, how about a pocket pdf manual machine? Does nothing but hold pdf files you can take anywere and read anytime and will have a magnifying feature so you can easily read the manul from the pocket pdf unit? Would work in the bathroom or in the bed easily don't you think?

Fantastic Idea!

Get to it Batman.

ravinhood · Post by **ravinhood** » Sat Jul 02, 2005 2:52 am

Remember you read it first here if I ever need any witnesses it was my idea first. If the future of gaming is online direct download, then a pocket pdf reader is going to be necessary.

Woot I'm gonna be rich haha

goodwoodrw · Post by **goodwoodrw** » Sat Jul 02, 2005 2:54 am

How about a water proof screen to attach to your memory stick.

Hard Sarge · Post by **Hard Sarge** » Sat Jul 02, 2005 2:54 am

Well so far, I am liking the Game

don't understand or follow most of what is going on so far, but have read a little and am working on getting a feel for it then getting the info that I need

Battles can be strange, did a Charge with my Cav, do 4 and take 6, do another charge the next round and do 2400 and take 20, do another charge and do 2 and take 12

but over all, looks to be a very Detailed game, hassle is learning the details

think it really needs some Training Campaigns

overall, looks vrey good

HARD_Sarge

ravinhood · Post by **ravinhood** » Sat Jul 02, 2005 3:00 am

Heh I can't wait till I see what the socalled professional reviewers rate this game. I'll bet yah a nickel to a $ that it gets low scores on most sites because of it's complex and need to "read the manual". lol Most of the youngster reviewers don't like to read a manual, they want a game they can jump right into without having to use their brains much.

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