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[Monter_Trismegistos]

Cap Mandrake: how many civilians died on USS Essex? And how many in Hiroshima and Nagasaki?

[Jaws_slith]

Franklin

[Cap Mandrake]

ORIGINAL: Monter_Trismegistos

Cap Mandrake: how many civilians died on USS Essex? And how many in Hiroshima and Nagasaki?

Hmmm...good question. As for the first part of your question I estimate 95-98% of the casualties aboard the USS Essex were civilians..............on Dec 7, 1941. My guess is at least half of the poor chaps were drafted and were changing the plugs on their old Buick or trying out a new zit cream on Dec 7, 1941. In fact, I am not sure there would have even been a USS Essex if not for Dec 7, 1941.

Now, what was the second part again?

(N.B. this is a rhetorical question and is not intended to get Brady's nice little thread zipped off to the digital wastebasket..so let's call a truce [;)] )

[Zecke]

Americans always used Civilians firts to die,, so then.. have the right to do whatever the believe neccesary...to.....(history repeats..everytime,, in december 7,, they new for sure was going to happened,, but they need some civilians to get into the war to rebuit its industry, and to throw ALL boms what have been produce before...to build a new better ones, [:-])

BTW is an Exxex

[Terminus]

It's definitely USS Essex. It gets a smidgeon easier when you know where Brady get's a large number of his pictures of US ships.

And let's not get into politics here. There's another thread running where all this stuff should be put.

[Seeadler]

ORIGINAL: Cap Mandrake
Hmmm...good question. As for the first part of your question I estimate 95-98% of the casualties aboard the USS Essex were civilians..............on Dec 7, 1941. My guess is at least half of the poor chaps were drafted and were changing the plugs on their old Buick or trying out a new zit cream on Dec 7, 1941. In fact, I am not sure there would have even been a USS Essex if not for Dec 7, 1941.

How many of the Japanese that got killed in Hiroshima and Nagasaki were flying a Kate or Val over Pearl on Dec 7, 1941? Just a rethorical question.

[RevRick]

ORIGINAL: Monter_Trismegistos

Cap Mandrake: how many civilians died on USS Essex? And how many in Hiroshima and Nagasaki?

That is not the question and you should know it. How many would have died in the continued bombing, and ultimate invasion of the Japanese Home Islands. Remember, in the era of total warfare, everything was fair game. With perfect hindsight, we can only criticize unfairly from a later viewpoint decisions which were being made in the height of consideration of an absolutely horrid event with enough death to satisfy any grim reaper.

[RevRick]

ORIGINAL: Zecke

Americans always used Civilians firts to die,, so then.. have the right to do whatever the believe neccesary...to.....(history repeats..everytime,, in december 7,, they new for sure was going to happened,, but they need some civilians to get into the war to rebuit its industry, and to throw ALL boms what have been produce before...to build a new better ones, [:-])

BTW is an Exxex

What kind of reconstructionist propaganda have you been reading? Let me know please. I'd like to read what the enemy is writing.

[Oliver Heindorf]

DRAN you Brady !

I often get the feeling if I look at your pics that I have seen the pic before somewhere in my endless counting books...but where to start looking for..... [;)] grrrrr. [:@]

[:)][:)]

but I will vote different here : I think that I have seen this pic describing a battle in 1942 but then it cannot be an essex cv...but it looks like an essex cv....grrr, too much books, too much beer and sooooooo long ago....

I think I have seen this pic .... hornet or yorktown, getting hit by a kamikaze. thats my vote.

[Zecke]

ORIGINAL: RevRick

ORIGINAL: Zecke

Americans always used Civilians firts to die,, so then.. have the right to do whatever the believe neccesary...to.....(history repeats..everytime,, in december 7,, they new for sure was going to happened,, but they need some civilians to get into the war to rebuit its industry, and to throw ALL boms what have been produce before...to build a new better ones, [:-])

BTW is an Exxex

What kind of reconstructionist propaganda have you been reading? Let me know please. I'd like to read what the enemy is writing.

want to trow me a bomb,, thats the way you talk

[Oliver Heindorf]

keep the political bs outta here, leave for the steak house

[Terminus]

IT IS THE ESSEX!!!!!

[Bradley7735]

ORIGINAL: Terminus

IT IS THE ESSEX!!!!!

No it's the USS Esses. (joke from the movie "Hot Shots")

[Terminus]

I actually think it was the SS EssEss.

[Tom Hunter]

The grammar makes this a little difficult to interpret:

"Americans always used Civilians firts to die,, so then.. have the right to do whatever the believe neccesary...to.....(history repeats..everytime,, in december 7,, they new for sure was going to happened,, but they need some civilians to get into the war to rebuit its industry, and to throw ALL boms what have been produce before...to build a new better ones, ) " -Zecke

But I think he is saying that the entire second world war was an American sponsored plot designed to rebuild our industry and use up ammunition stockpiles.

I'm not going to argue with him, because its so far out there that I can't stop laughing. Zeke do you write comedy for a living? [:D]

[Terminus]

Take it to the Steak House; this is not the place...

[sven6345789]

you want to discuss the bomb, open a new thread!!
btw, it is an Essex class CV; my first guess was the Franklin, but since the discussion is going towards Essex, i will go for that one too.

[Bradley7735]

ORIGINAL: Terminus

I actually think it was the SS EssEss.

I think you're right.

I love those stupid comedies.

[Hornblower]

Its the Essex in '44 off the philippines. Pic was taken from the Langley.

[Terminus]

Been by Navsource.com?[:D]