Darwin and PM defensible?

[niceguy2005]

ORIGINAL: ADavidB

BTW - are you sure that he isn't heading for something more important further down the Australian coast? BTW - where are your carriers? Can you intercept his TFs?

Good luck -

Dave Baranyi

My thought exactly. Is Darwin a feint? Its so ealry in the war I can't see him heading for the east coast of australia for any reason other than a raid.

[Ddog]

Crim

I have to agree with Tom Hunter......It's about being able to supply and support PM. If the Japs have Rabaul, trying to get supply ships to PM without taking losses will be difficult. Remember that it is very important to ensure that you maintain enough points to avoid a Jap victory in 43 (4x your points). Instead of using BB's and CV's I would stick to a Guerilla type warfare using PT's and the like for hit and run attacks.

Just my oppinion [;)] I'm sure there are those that will disagree [:'(]

Cheers

[Crimguy]

Well, PM fell pretty easily. The Darwin invasion never emerged - it appeared he got cold feet and sent them to PM (3 divisions landed there).

On my other PBEM, that is just a few days ahead, things are much more interesting. He's sunk Lex, E, and yesterday took down POW and Repulse off the coast of Australia. Didn't even see KB coming. It's a slaughter on the high seas.

[Raverdave]

Not only are they defensible, but IMHO they should never be allowed to fall.

PM must and should be fought for tooth and nail, I am yet to loose this vital piece of real estate, and as I live and breath as an allied fan boy, will willing risk the entire war to hold onto it even at the expense of the loss of the South Pacfic Islands. Loosing PM (and therefore PNG) really puts you behind the 8-ball when time comes to start your offensive. However IF you keep PM then you have THE perfect base from which to launch you offensive as early as mid '42.

Darwin should never be allowed to fall simply because it is part of MY homeland.............pride cometh before fall.[;)]

[Gen.Hoepner]

In the vanilla Map, i would be happy if he came for Darwin! No way for the Japanese to hold a foot in Northern Oz for more than 6 months. With the vanilla railroad system you're gonna have 6 australian divisions up there pretty quickly.
With AB map it' damned more tough...

PM? Well it depends on when he comes. If he arrives with 2/4 divisions ( and the entire combined fleet)before March/April there's simply no way to hold it. Remember that even if you've lost it fro Cooktown,Thursday and Cairns you can bomb the place to stoneage. In 3 months of intense bombings with 200/300 4Es PM will be undefendable for the japs

[hawker]

We will see that GH,we wil see[8D]

[Crimguy]

ORIGINAL: Raverdave

Not only are they defensible, but IMHO they should never be allowed to fall.

PM must and should be fought for tooth and nail, I am yet to loose this vital piece of real estate, and as I live and breath as an allied fan boy, will willing risk the entire war to hold onto it even at the expense of the loss of the South Pacfic Islands. Loosing PM (and therefore PNG) really puts you behind the 8-ball when time comes to start your offensive. However IF you keep PM then you have THE perfect base from which to launch you offensive as early as mid '42.

Darwin should never be allowed to fall simply because it is part of MY homeland.............pride cometh before fall.[;)]

OK, so here's a hypo for you:

It's the start of the war, and things are going pretty much as anticipated. Your opponent is concentrating his forces in Malaya, the PI, and pushing southward through Borneo. You anticipate he's going to land in force at Port Moresby by 1/10/42. How do you stop him? As I see it, you can rally, at most, 4 divisions there, plus AA and CD. However, it is a long trip from all over the Pacific, leaves places such as Midway and Noumea with no defenses, and your ability to provide air cover for the area between Brisbane, Guadalcanal and PM is limited.

How do you do it? I'm not the most experienced player, but it seems impossible against a determined enemy. Bedford Forrest's adage seems to apply here.

[Yamato hugger]

ORIGINAL: Crimguy

It was pretty cool, actually, since I sometimes forget to read my SigInt. On two lines, one after the other, it said something like this:

13th Division is loaded on Jensen Maru and heading for Port Moresby
15th Division is loaded on Kintetsu Maru and heading for Darwin

Thats very interesting.

Both the 13th and 15th divisions are part of China command. Each costs around 2700 PPs to activate. Unless of course he used the gamey (or at least I consider it gamey) tactic of doing a banzaii charge to disrupt them so he could change commands really cheap. Unless you are mid to late '42 and he didnt use PPs for anything else.

If he is going to do this, I suggest you move about 1/2 of the Chinese army to NE India, and send the Brit divisions to Oz. Good for the goose and all. [:-]

[Crimguy]

ORIGINAL: Yamato hugger
Thats very interesting.

Both the 13th and 15th divisions are part of China command. Each costs around 2700 PPs to activate. Unless of course he used the gamey (or at least I consider it gamey) tactic of doing a banzaii charge to disrupt them so he could change commands really cheap. Unless you are mid to late '42 and he didnt use PPs for anything else.

If he is going to do this, I suggest you move about 1/2 of the Chinese army to NE India, and send the Brit divisions to Oz. Good for the goose and all. [:-]

The actual divisions were different - I used them to protect the innocent (the enemy is listening!)

[Yamato hugger]

ORIGINAL: Crimguy

The actual divisions were different - I used them to protect the innocent (the enemy is listening!)

Heh, why lie? He knows what units he has going where [:D]

You should always maintain a list of what Jap units are where. He only has a dozen or so divisions available for mobile operations. And about a half dozen BDEs. If you can keep track of where they are, and where they are going, you have the advantage.

[Crimguy]

I only lied because I have two pbems running at similar times in the war, and didn't want my opponents to know which game I was talking about - I was contemplating giving him a surprise at PM by landing a division there (recon from Lae has been heavy). I wasn't sure if I could defeat him or not, so I didn't want to have anyone get cold feet if they knew their intentions were now public,.

[Yamato hugger]

ORIGINAL: Crimguy
I was contemplating giving him a surprise at PM by landing a division there (recon from Lae has been heavy). I wasn't sure if I could defeat him or not, so I didn't want to have anyone get cold feet if they knew their intentions were now public,.

When in doubt (as the allies), wait. Better to take a month or 2 longer to win, than give the other guy a bunch of free points.