One More Question about anohter Mega Campaign

Eddie · Post by **Eddie** » Fri Jan 18, 2002 4:11 pm

I'd vote for DL (I have ADSL <img src="wink.gif" border="0"> )
MCNA is great and I ordered MCLV but shipping fees were more than the product itself, so I had a hard time deciding whether to order or not.

Eddie

gnoccop · Post by **gnoccop** » Fri Jan 18, 2002 4:33 pm

I VOTE FOR DL OPTION.

I've pre-ordered MCLV (recived gen. 04 2002)and the cost for the spedition was more then what I've give to matrix : (

For me is better to give money to Matrix then FedEx.

Now I would like to buy MCWatchTower (24.99$ = 28.36 Euro), but the spedition cost and VAT is too high (also if I buy in england with Duchet; 24.99£ = 40.73 Euro).

pops · Post by **pops** » Fri Jan 18, 2002 7:43 pm

I'd go for DL....some day I may even be able to afford one of these....with three kids...I NEVER have extra money <img src="rolleyes.gif" border="0"> ...hope things pick up..I'd love to support Matrix

RichardTheFirst · Post by **RichardTheFirst** » Fri Jan 18, 2002 7:56 pm

DOWNLOAD Absolutely.

1 - I have a cable connection and that type of connection is increasing more and more

2 - There are very reliable 3rd parties that could guarantee the transaction for both parts with the secrecy regarding VISA or other credit cards.

3 - The costs will be about half for us non-american residents

4 - The risk of piracy already exists so no new risks envolved

5 - The increase of demand (due to lower costs) will more than pay the costs of implementation.

6 - Matrix Image, self-explanatory

[ January 18, 2002: Message edited by: RichardTheFirst ]

AlvinS · Post by **AlvinS** » Fri Jan 18, 2002 8:05 pm

I will purchase them either way you provide them. I would gladly save shipping and handling costs.

AlvinS

lnp4668 · Post by **lnp4668** » Fri Jan 18, 2002 8:25 pm

Download would save the shipping cost for user as well as saving the cd mastering cost for matrix. However, it would leave those without high speed access in a lurch.

I vote for download because it would save for both the user and Matrix. However, I would understand if others complain.

sctrogers · Post by **sctrogers** » Sat Jan 19, 2002 2:43 am

I vote for CD.

Mikimoto · Post by **Mikimoto** » Sat Jan 19, 2002 4:37 am

Hi.

I have cable connection. I feel stupid when shipping costs doubles the money I pay. I paid almost 50 dollars for MCLV and the feel was actually... stupid.
You can make what you want but if downloads become available, it will be good for some people. And a silly bad uninportant stupid thing for others.
Why don't you try both ways?

Kiwi · Post by **Kiwi** » Sat Jan 19, 2002 4:44 am

Even with a slow far away connection like my 44k bps I downloaded the full 450mb of SPWAW over several nights using a download manager. Most ISPs have flat fee access to unlimited mbs with a standard modem.

Guy.

BvB · Post by **BvB** » Sat Jan 19, 2002 5:56 am

Both have their pro & con. Personnally I'd rather have the hard copy mailed to me.
So why not have both? Make us hard copy folks pay extra to cover your costs.

bchapman · Post by **bchapman** » Sat Jan 19, 2002 6:25 am

I vote for the CD, but it would be better for the overseas people to have download capablity. As has been stated before, the only problem with this is verification. I have downloaded several programs that I paid for over the web and haven't had any problems,also downloaded full SPWAW ver 4.5 (only took 3 nights!!, Thanks S.W. Bell <img src="mad.gif" border="0"> ) without any problems in getting a complete file. So either way, I will buy it. <img src="smile.gif" border="0">

Wild Bill · Post by **Wild Bill** » Sat Jan 19, 2002 8:30 am

Good answers and good comments. I'll make sure that the honchos at Matrix are aware of your desires.

As for offering it both ways, it sounds great. Whether or not it could be done is something that David would have to answer. I like having an alternative for you guys that have to pay all that extra money to get the goodies.

Good stuff here. Many thanks...WB

RichardTheFirst · Post by **RichardTheFirst** » Sat Jan 19, 2002 12:56 pm

Just to add to my post here.

Of course the download alternative should be one more alternative to the CD. But the CD should remain for those who prefer it.

Also 2 different mailing schemes - 1 fast, reliable and expensive (as today) and 1 slower, less reliable and a lot less expensive - would be nice. There are countries, like most of the European ones, where the normal mail is very reliable.

One just picks the method:

A - download
B - fast mail CD
C - normal mail CD

[ January 19, 2002: Message edited by: RichardTheFirst ]

Mikimoto · Post by **Mikimoto** » Sat Jan 19, 2002 4:30 pm

Originally posted by RichardTheFirst:

One just picks the method:

A - download
B - fast mail CD
C - normal mail CD

[ January 19, 2002: Message edited by: RichardTheFirst ]

That's great, Richard! I have to mail one music CD to South America, by certified (more expensive) airmail, and the costs are, more or less six €... It's a good option, if you want the CD...

Las tres opciones son buenas, Ricardo.

Panzer Capta · Post by **Panzer Capta** » Sat Jan 19, 2002 7:28 pm

Just a thought on the matter. When Steven King wrote "The Green Mile" he published it in multiple installments...it was quite an interesting way to present. So, what if one could buy into a new mega campaign 2 to 3 scenerios at a time with the option of continuing or terminating the subscription at any time.

Christophe Jaureguiberry · Sat Jan 19, 2002 8:00 pm

I would say DL. When the first MC was in preparation, I preordered it at 20$ (or was it 25$? I don't remember), but I never received it. It did not really bother me since I was not particularly interested in that theater from the German point of view, and I had done it more to contribute something to Matrix's efforts to develop the game.

However, now I am interested by the Pacific MC but I am wary of buying it just in case I do not receive it again. If it was available by DL I would purchase it straightaway, as well as the new one if I like the theme (a collection of mini-campaigns).

Christophe

Fredde · Post by **Fredde** » Sat Jan 19, 2002 8:33 pm

I would personally very much prefer a download. Perhaps a downloadable campaign should cost less also, because the organization around it could be kept much much smaller (no printing, no shipping, no deals with shippers, no boxes, no manuals, possible to make completely automatic.. etc etc etc etc.. in economic terms, simply, much less overhead costs).

To pay for the internet connection.. well, I'd have to spend hundreds of hours on the phone until I would reach the shipping costs for getting the thing over to Europe. There is no way I will sponsor a freight company with the same amount of money as I pay for the game.. even though I would be glad to pay for Matrix products and I think many others feel the same way. Also, in Sweden/Finland at least, but also in other European countries broadband connection is almost more common than modem connection these days.. a cd burner is starting to become common equipment as well (I'm not saying all got it.. but its heading that way).

About the security issues.. well, why not keep the download free.. server open for all.. MC possible to start but will stop after the first scenario as a teaser and the greatest advertisement you can get.. but instead pay for a personal password/security code which allows you to really get the goodies. Hacker problems.. yes indeed.. but that's the case in a printed copy as well. My prejudice also tells me that wargamers in general are more mature and honest than first-person shooters/arcade gamers.. <img src="wink.gif" border="0">

[ January 19, 2002: Message edited by: Fredde ]

ruxius · Post by **ruxius** » Sat Jan 19, 2002 11:08 pm

As it seems keeping available both the ways will be the final formula for buying a game
I would then ask for splitting the download file into more separated downloads available after connecting to the passworded site

Such a way the most important files of the game should be available eventually for a second safer download..also people may decide to download the game by several steps..structure of directory should be showed..if ever my PC would crash during my nightly downlo I would be very frustrated to think about do it again .

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One more comment about Downloads :
think to people who payed the shipment ,

$game+ $taxes = $game x 2

..some of them would have bought the CD anyway..but the others may have given the "$taxes" amount maybe to purchase another MEGAcamp !!!

Since now it's clear there is a group of guys who will surely buy more than one game , Matrix would surely gain more benefit from downloadable versions...

I agree that most of the players will buy the MEGACD without any doubt...but if ever a crack will appear for cracking a MEGACD we will have the same result we actually have with payment based on honour..Loyalists buy the game...the others do not...

Surely these guys are equally welcome as they contribute in some way to spread Matrix name around the world and so I do not think the attitude should be punitive..
Anyhow I think it would be better to have a password and a login after money arrived from users than a code protection policy.

Since Fredde had a good point about the value of demonstration I would say that a little demo presenting the campaign should be available for downlo into the main page, following the common concept of all gaming companies , but the game should be kept safe from cracking.

P.S Richard your words made me feel very happy and somehow worried : I hope the game gave you that inner and proud feeling you did something "concrete" to help this game growing up..
Matrix trusts on few of us ! now you are one of these few ones !
Tahnk you !

[ January 19, 2002: Message edited by: ruxius ]

RichardTheFirst · Post by **RichardTheFirst** » Sat Jan 19, 2002 11:08 pm

Originally posted by Fredde:
There is no way I will sponsor a freight company with the same amount of money as I pay for the game.. even though I would be glad to pay for Matrix products and I think many others feel the same way.

My friend, how well do I understand you. When I payed Desert Fox I felt almost like I was swallowing a living frog.

Ruxius and his loyalist call made me do it <img src="smile.gif" border="0">

RichardTheFirst · Post by **RichardTheFirst** » Sun Jan 20, 2002 11:52 am

Originally posted by ruxius:
Richard your words made me feel very happy and somehow worried : I hope the game gave you that inner and proud feeling you did something "concrete" to help this game growing up..
Matrix trusts on few of us ! now you are one of these few ones !
Tahnk you !

Weird my message appears after your's, isn't it?

Don't get me wrong, I was kind of kidding when I said you made me do it. You did it in a very positive way.

And besides Desert Fox being excellent, I also had "half" that proud feeling you mentioned.
The other half went to the mailing company's pockets... <img src="rolleyes.gif" border="0">

My thanks for your kind words, my friend.

Ave Ruxius giocatori te salutant

(You already knew latin is not my strongest <img src="biggrin.gif" border="0"> )

[ January 20, 2002: Message edited by: RichardTheFirst ]