Best Use of Japanese ASW

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RE: Best Use of Japanese ASW

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Cid, do you plan to include air search radar for the US subs as part of their upgrade path?
Or is that someone elses baby.[:D]
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Sally's at 1000 feet are very deadly! I am only at the end of May 1942 and I have already sunk 13 Subs with 250kg bombs from Sally's. You have to get the experience to at least 80, but after that, they can really guard choke points.
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ORIGINAL: Ramjet

Sally's at 1000 feet are very deadly! I am only at the end of May 1942 and I have already sunk 13 Subs with 250kg bombs from Sally's. You have to get the experience to at least 80, but after that, they can really guard choke points.

Sally's are not deadly, the air asw model is. The design treats subs like surface ships!
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Cid, do you plan to include air search radar for the US subs as part of their upgrade path?
Or is that someone elses baby

I just checked: US Subs had radar even in stock. Certainly they all have it is CHS. And they all will have it in RHS. The change is that Andrew is considering adding it to Japanese subs for CHS. He asked me to do that - but I went too far - and added snorkels too. Even though HE made the snorkels he isn't happy about that! But wether or not they make it into CHS next release, I will of course put them in RHS. Looks like I may finish first - which was not my plan - but CHS is delayed - and so I am going to whip out the first pass RHS as soon as I can finish the self assigned tasks. I am going to fix errors in the databases for devices, aircraft and ships. I have already fixed errors in Japanese air forces. I will add a few economic things, and create a first pass set of supply sinks to suck up inappropriate supply. . I am done with devices and almost done with aircraft. I will do ships next - and a bit of testing. Then the sinks.
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Sally's are not deadly, the air asw model is. The design treats subs like surface ships!

Yeah- but the game won't let us outfit Ki-49s and B5Ns with MAD booms and get the real effective historical sub hunters either. And remember, WWII era subs WITHOUT periscopes DID travel on the surface - their range was only 90 miles at 3 knots submerged on batteries! Submarines were in effect submersable surface raiders - and they also were unable to spot targets when not surfaced in the days before radar. The chances of seeing a target when submerged were less than 10% of the chance when surfaced. Subs had to surface at night to recharge batteries. The only exceptions at all were not Americans - they were late war Axis boats with snorkels - or a few Dutch subs. The model isn't that bad - chances of finding a sub on the surface were very good unless it had radar warning - and the model actually allows for that.
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ORIGINAL: Black Mamba 1942

Cid, do you plan to include air search radar for the US subs as part of their upgrade path?
Or is that someone elses baby.[:D]

Some air search radar has been added to the Allied subs, where appropriate, for the next release of CHS (which has been delayed quite a lot, unfortunately). Some Japanese subs may get it as well where appropriate. And snorkels are being added where appropriate as well - to a few Dutch subs at least. The current radar on US subs is surface search radar, not air search radar.
Information about my WitP map, and CHS, can be found on my WitP website

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RE: Best Use of Japanese ASW

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That's what I thought.[:)]
No air search radar was added to the subs.

I was hoping by including them it would reduce the numerous air sightings.
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