Put your money where your mouth is

[Speedysteve]

Excellent. I'll be there at 6.59 to grab the money before you Raver [;)]

[Hard Sarge]

I not sure if I even want to reply to this one

boycot them ? I would rather try and help them get the games the way we want them to be then complain and say no more

LOL that kind of Alt, and Matrix would not even be here, (we not going to buy another game until Pacwar is fixed)

(besides, I need them working and happy, so my projects get done

[Speedysteve]

I know Sarge. It's crazy as I said above

[Bobthehatchit]

ORIGINAL: Raverdave

Sorry, but I cannot sit by and simply watch 2by3 have their name dragged through the mud. IMHO I have had great value for money from playing WiTP (and UV for that matter). YES there are still some issues but if you really want to get down to brass tacks there are even some issues STILL with Harpoon (as way of example). All of you just think back....has there ever been a game that has not had some points that could do with a change? And to be fair 2by3 have never abandoned WiTP....they have brought out patches in response to customers demands and have committed to continue to do so.

Matrix will STILL get my gaming $.

Seconded.

If you don't like it don't play it.

Got a shelf load of games i don't play anymore for various reasons.

But i don't feel the need to moan either.

[mogami]

Hi, If the game and company makes you that unhappy I woulld go find something else to occupy myself with. It's your money and your time. I like WITP. I was not a big Pacific theme person before UV. (I like ACW and East Front/ETO history more then Pacific history ) I've learned a lot from the game and had fun playing it. I still look forward to that next PBEM turn.
I don't own a single computer game without a bug or an issue with how the designer interpeted something. I rarely see anything on TV I agree 100 percent with. Managers and coaches call plays I don't like. Some places cut pizza into squares.

I boycott life...........(no I don't)

[TulliusDetritus]

Mike Scholl, sorry, but I will be buying WIE.

Said this, customers rule, so I respect your point of view [:)]

[Hoplosternum]

No boycott here [:D]

I have spent thousands of hours on WitP (and UV before it). For me it is a classic along with MOO, MOM, Civ and Fantasy General. I had issues with parts of those games too but the positives far outweigh the negatives.

I am surprised that there are still such naysayers loitering around the forum [;)] We all like a good moan about parts of the game from time to time. We are grognards after all [:D] But whats the point of hanging around months / years after you have decided the game is not for you [&:] I just don't buy the argument it's all for the hobby / WitPs good [:(]

I am with Oleg on this one. I've had more than my moneys worth from WitP. But as Speedy is threatening to come around to collect and does not live all that far away I'll donate by buying more games from them [:)]

I am looking forward to the new East Front game and will certainly buy it. And WitP 2 [:D] Well I can dream [:D]

[BaitBoy]

The only reason that I might not buy WIE game is if I am spending too much time playing WitP. Dollar for hour this is the best gaming purchase I have ever made.

[Apollo11]

Hi all,

Boycott!?!?!

Boycott what? The best wargame there is?


What other wargame(s) we all played and loved so much recently in past few years that we have UV & WitP?


Sure there are problems but in time they will be fixed (I am sure - just look at what Mike - he is our true hero [&o][&o][&o] - did and continue to do with SP)... also what other game is bug free and what other game had so many patches and so many user requested features integrated after release... IMHO UV & WitP are true gems in vast range of mediocre games that swamped the marked in past years and no other company other than Matrix/2By3 had done so much for users...


Leo "Apollo11"

[wworld7]

ORIGINAL: Raverdave

Sorry, but I cannot sit by and simply watch 2by3 have their name dragged through the mud. IMHO I have had great value for money from playing WiTP (and UV for that matter). YES there are still some issues but if you really want to get down to brass tacks there are even some issues STILL with Harpoon (as way of example). All of you just think back....has there ever been a game that has not had some points that could do with a change? And to be fair 2by3 have never abandoned WiTP....they have brought out patches in response to customers demands and have committed to continue to do so.

Matrix will STILL get my gaming $.

Is WITP perfect no.
Is it fun YES!
Do I go crazy at times over shall we just say bugs, design features and the like, yes.

But it has been and will contine to be a fantasic value ($/hours played).

Matrix/2*3 have given WITP MORE support than many other companies give other games.

My advice "which not enough people seem to support" is stop asking for changes and let them concentrate on fixing bugs. Short of a WITP II we will never get both (bugs fixed and additional CHANGES)

My two cents.

Flipper

[tsimmonds]

Some places cut pizza into squares.

Most places will cut pizza however you want, or even leave it uncut so you can put it in your oven at home with even more toppings on it. All you have to do is ask.[;)]

If only software were as easy as (pizza) pie!

[Rob Brennan UK]

Humph

Don't like it ? don't play it .. simple

Bhodi . i'm suprised you feel that way to be honest . your WitP utility was a work of genius and has been greaty appreciated by many in the community. You must have enjoyed the game quite a bit to develop that in the past.

While i dont plan on buying every offering from Matrix/2B3, given the support of not just this game but many others i'll give Eastern front a whirl and definately get world in flames just for PBEM ( I love that game).

the end

[moses]

WITP has probably lost Matrix money as I play it so much that I have hardly considered buying games that I would previously have placed on my must have list.

To say that Matrix does not support its games is simply delusional.

Every game is based on design decisions upon which everyone will have his own opinion. If I could make my own game it would still not make me completly happy. I would tinker with it until I finally got bored. Everyone else would probably hate my game.

If War in the East is anywhere close to the liniage of 'War in Russia' and WITP then I will pay practically any price to have it. And what about the Civil War game????????

[Adnan Meshuggi]

okay- if WIE has the same land combat rules as WitP i will not buy it [:D]
but if they do a playable game with bugs they will correct - they have a customer... me.

You allways can fix things with the editor. Only the program has to run stable. Bluescreens are a real problem to computer games.

By the way, why do not reanimate Road to Moscow ?

No boykott from me. No

[Mike Solli]

No boycott here either. I've waited for WitP all my life. I own COG and WPO too. Granted I haven't spent more than a couple of hours on those (due to WitP) but I will someday. I'm going to buy WIE. Sure, they're not perfect, but they're wonderful.

Hey Matrix, how about the North African Campaign? At company level, that would be great!

[treespider]

I've decided to boycott computer games altogether. I hang around here in the hopes that the major bugs are ironed out so that I can actually play this thing.

In a genre that I enjoy I have yet to encounter a bug free game....well excluding Pong. In the automotive industry they have lemon laws. In the computer industry they have patches. Since when in our society did it become acceptable to release broken products?

In the case of WitP my biggest gripe is about disappearing units and leaders. The game takes an incredible amount of time to play.

To have all of that time wasted because a unit simply vanishes rendering your work useless is unacceptable. And as many of you have experienced units vanish even when not being air transported.

To have a game that places so much value on the impact of leaders and have them vanish and or switch sides is unacceptable.

I can accept perceived faults in Air Combat, Ground Combat, ASW or what have you because with experience you can figure out how the system works because the engine functions albeit not to everyone's taste. What I cannot accept is a game in which the game is not working as designed.

[Bill Durrant]

Hey Matrix, how about the North African Campaign? At company level, that would be great!

Yes, yes, yes, yes, yes[&o][&o][&o][&o][&o][&o]

[greg_slith]

Considering I've spent $0.15/day on this game I'd say I've gotten my moneys worth. Actually, I think I've screwed Matrix/2x3 by playing it so damn much[:D]. I wont even mention how much use I've gotten out of Steel Panthers and that was free! And they continue to work on it. I think too many people are putting too much faith in WitP 2. If, and it's a HUGE if, it ever comes out I'll guarantee that it will have bugs too. Never seen a computer game that didn't.[:@] WIE isn't my cup o tea, I'm still waiting for Combat Leader[8|]

[Mistmatz]

ORIGINAL: Mike Scholl

It occurs to me that we - the folks who bought WITP - are exactly the primary market 2by3/Matrix is counting on for the core sales of it's upcoming East Front Game. Maybe we should make use of the last leverage we have and simply promise not to buy it until the fix the bugs/problems in the game they've already sold us. Could be our only hope of finally getting a working WITP. I'll go first. I am not buying any more 2x3 offerrings until we get a bug-free WITP. Anyone else?

What upcoming East Front Game??? The 2by3 website says development is on hold. Are there any other news???

For the other stuff I'm with most people here. Fun per buck ratio is great with WitP, perhaps its just us micromanagment freaks looking too much for that perfect game... [;)]

[Mike Scholl]

Gentlemen. Nowhere did I say I didn't like WITP. I like it a lot, or it wouldn't be worth anyone's time to squawk about. But I've also noticed that the promise of patch 1.8 keeps being put back, or put off, or otherwise not forthcoming. That bugs that have been around virtually since the release are
still present. Big complicated games require support..., it's one of the reasons I had no problem with the price and would have paid more. All I was pointing out was that for any of us who are still waiting for "fixes", this was about the last "leverage" we would have to encourage 2by3 to "finish" WITP. Either that or turn the code over to someone who does want to continue to work on it. This is a decent game that could be so much better. Did I get my money's worth? Yes. Do I still want the game I thought I was buying? Yes.