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ORIGINAL: Feinder
Still, the pilot with more exp is less likely to be surprised, because his head is more likely to be in perma-swivel mode and less likely to be caught with target fixation etc...
(* shrug *)
-F-
ORIGINAL: el cid again
Probably it is true for P-39 and Hurricane too. All I want to say is that exp should be at least 70% of the combat score, whiloe max 30 should be allocated to plane qualities.
IF you restrict the discussion to the rare (10%) case of BOTH SIDES KNOW they are in air combat
this is utter nonsense - and that is the good news. In the normal (90%) case - the guy with surprise wins - period.
The pilot quality (assuming above the level of "we can actually maintain formation and land the machine) matters a great deal - but not as much as the plane qualities. Nothing is going to save Eddie Rickenbacker (a medal of honor winner in both world wars) if he goes against a real fighter in a Glen.
ORIGINAL: Ron Saueracker
ORIGINAL: Feinder
Still, the pilot with more exp is less likely to be surprised, because his head is more likely to be in perma-swivel mode and less likely to be caught with target fixation etc...
(* shrug *)
-F-
Don't read so much into the code, I bet less thought was put into it initially. Reduce the exp level and see what happens. I can't wait to see what happens if this is done. Maybe GG has it right but he has the temperature too high?[:)]
ORIGINAL: Ursa MAior
ORIGINAL: el cid again
Probably it is true for P-39 and Hurricane too. All I want to say is that exp should be at least 70% of the combat score, whiloe max 30 should be allocated to plane qualities.
IF you restrict the discussion to the rare (10%) case of BOTH SIDES KNOW they are in air combat
this is utter nonsense - and that is the good news. In the normal (90%) case - the guy with surprise wins - period.
Yes, but please tell me who was smart enough to go for surprise -out of the sun-, hm? Sure Mr. John J Greenhorn, out of the Flight school, or Claire Chennault? Which one was smart enough to rely on its planes skills and control his instincts? There are many documentated csases where a skilled pilot
a. either won in an out dated plane against a more 'modern' opponent
b. or managed to get away against overwhelming odds
Erich Hartmann once evaded 10 Mustnags over Rumania. Has not shot down any of them, but got home unscathed.
The pilot quality (assuming above the level of "we can actually maintain formation and land the machine) matters a great deal - but not as much as the plane qualities. Nothing is going to save Eddie Rickenbacker (a medal of honor winner in both world wars) if he goes against a real fighter in a Glen.
We were talking about fighter combat. No Betty can get away from a Hellcat no matter who flies it. This is no Star Wars where Han Solo evades TIE fighters with a Lambda class shuttle. Of course a WWII monoplane would shoot down a doubledecker anytime. And pilot quality does NOT equal I can take off fly a few minutes and land in safety. It is say exp 45 in WitP. IF plane quality were ONLY important no US planes would have been shot down after say 7/43.
ORIGINAL: Ron Saueracker
ORIGINAL: Feinder
Still, the pilot with more exp is less likely to be surprised, because his head is more likely to be in perma-swivel mode and less likely to be caught with target fixation etc...
(* shrug *)
-F-
Don't read so much into the code, I bet less thought was put into it initially. Reduce the exp level and see what happens. I can't wait to see what happens if this is done. Maybe GG has it right but he has the temperature too high?[:)]
ORIGINAL: Ursa MAior
ORIGINAL: el cid again
Probably it is true for P-39 and Hurricane too. All I want to say is that exp should be at least 70% of the combat score, whiloe max 30 should be allocated to plane qualities.
IF you restrict the discussion to the rare (10%) case of BOTH SIDES KNOW they are in air combat
this is utter nonsense - and that is the good news. In the normal (90%) case - the guy with surprise wins - period.
Yes, but please tell me who was smart enough to go for surprise -out of the sun-, hm? Sure Mr. John J Greenhorn, out of the Flight school, or Claire Chennault? Which one was smart enough to rely on its planes skills and control his instincts? There are many documentated csases where a skilled pilot
a. either won in an out dated plane against a more 'modern' opponent
b. or managed to get away against overwhelming odds
Erich Hartmann once evaded 10 Mustnags over Rumania. Has not shot down any of them, but got home unscathed.
The pilot quality (assuming above the level of "we can actually maintain formation and land the machine) matters a great deal - but not as much as the plane qualities. Nothing is going to save Eddie Rickenbacker (a medal of honor winner in both world wars) if he goes against a real fighter in a Glen.
We were talking about fighter combat. No Betty can get away from a Hellcat no matter who flies it. This is no Star Wars where Han Solo evades TIE fighters with a Lambda class shuttle. Of course a WWII monoplane would shoot down a doubledecker anytime. And pilot quality does NOT equal I can take off fly a few minutes and land in safety. It is say exp 45 in WitP. IF plane quality were ONLY important no US planes would have been shot down after say 7/43.
ORIGINAL: TheElf
But what about bombing efficiency? Might an across the board EXP adjustment have a potentially negative effect on bomber pilots ability to perform?
ORIGINAL: Ron Saueracker
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Point is, nobody wants to see me right again.[:'(]
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I don't agree with some of Rons stuff, but I reckon he's onto something here.ORIGINAL: Ron Saueracker
ORIGINAL: Feinder
Still, the pilot with more exp is less likely to be surprised, because his head is more likely to be in perma-swivel mode and less likely to be caught with target fixation etc...
(* shrug *)
-F-
Don't read so much into the code, I bet less thought was put into it initially. Reduce the exp level and see what happens. I can't wait to see what happens if this is done. Maybe GG has it right but he has the temperature too high?[:)]
ORIGINAL: Ron Saueracker
Why not just lower skill drastically accross the board and make it much more difficult to improve outside of specific combat success? Just starting a scenario and looking at the pilots it seems obvious to me that the concept of crack and elite pilots as a numerical value are too bloody high. It is the difference between pilot skill levels that matter when determining whether a pilot is average or elite, not the value. Not much point in having everybody at 99 exp.
I'd go as far as dropping everything by at least 25-30%. Trained pilots could be viewed as 30 exp rating, not 55...etc.
INTERESTING..., but it moves the problem to the other end of the scale. If 30 is "fully trained", then there is very little advantage over "totally untrained". Bit unreal to make someone who has completed basic and advanced flight training only 30 points better than a civilian fresh off the street.
I think the real solution is in limiting "upward mobility" for trained pilots. 70 or so should be a "ceiling" for most pilots, with maybe one in five able to get any better. That would at least eliminate whole squadrons of 90+ "super aces".
ORIGINAL: Sardaukar
I agree with Ron.
And at least achieving 90 exp should only be possible to 10 % of pilots, not all. Random exp ceiling maybe ?
ORIGINAL: treespider
What does a 30 point advantage mean or not mean? Does a 31 vs. 1 mean you are just 30 points higher or does it mean you are 31 times better? Does a 60 v 30 mean you are just 30 points higher or two (2) times better?
What does a rating of 70 represent vs a 0? Could a zero be someone right off the street?
ORIGINAL: Nikademus
moi.
Its not quite as bad as that anymore.
ORIGINAL: Nikademus
nope.
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