Using an Intel iMac

[Arjuna]

No two 3.5s. Boy its along time ago but I don't think Macs ever had 5.25s, though I could be wrong on that.

[JeF]

ORIGINAL: Arjuna
No two 3.5s. Boy its along time ago but I don't think Macs ever had 5.25s, though I could be wrong on that.

AFAIK, you're correct. 2x 3.5" 800 K disk drives.
5.25" were used in older Apple products (Apple II and Lisa) not Macintoshes.
FWIW : Wikipedia's list of all Mac models

JeF.

[henri511]

You are correct.

[Greup]

It's great to hear that great games like Red Orchestra: Ostfront and COTA etc runs on Intel macs.

As a Mac user with an old crappy PC for gaming I really do look forward to replacing my old PowerBook with an MacBook Pro after the summer. Too bad Panther games went PC after the old Fire Brigade game (I still have my copy laying around somewhere deep inside a closets) but I can see the commercial arguments for it.

Anyways, downloaded my copy of COTA a few minutes ago and will be up playing too late this night...



(Hope to fire up the Bulge game in the early morning hours of December 16th )

[pad152]

I don't get it[&:], if you have to install Windows on your Mac, what's the point of owning a Mac anymore? I think you'll find yourself booting more and more to Windows, because nobody is going to make or port software for the Mac OS anymore, now that it runs Windows.[:-] When will that software be available on a Mac? just run Windows! [8|]


How long can the Mac last as nothing more than a overpriced Windows Machine[&:]

[henri511]

ORIGINAL: pad152

I don't get it[&:], if you have to install Windows on your Mac, what's the point of owning a Mac anymore? I think you'll find yourself booting more and more to Windows, because nobody is going to make or port software for the Mac OS anymore, now that it runs Windows.[:-] When will that software be available on a Mac? just run Windows! [8|]


How long can the Mac last as nothing more than a overpriced Windows Machine[&:]

Good question: the answer is that except for games, most mainstream programs like Office, Photoshop, Acrobat and so on hae Mac versions, and multimedia programs are superior (most graphics professionals use Macs) and a number of top multimedia programs are included with the Mac, and (for me at least) the Mac interface is much better than the PC interface. For years I have had both Macs and PCs: I use the Macs for work and the PCs mostly for games. so as far as I am concerned, i will continue to do the same, except that both systems will be in the same box.

For example, my Intel Mac has a web camera in the cover, and includes movie-making programs like iMovie and iDVD, and music-making programs like Garageband and other programs. It never crashes and is virus-free.

I could be wrong, but I think that the Intel Macs will bring about the sale of more Macs, not fewer.

Henri

[CriticalMass]

so you think Microsoft will continue to port Office to Mac OS? Perhaps even Adobe may realise that making just one version of Photoshop is econically prudent and economics (I guess even for designer software there are more versions of Photoshop sold for PCs) would suggest that one version being the windows version. Again, Dreamweaver...conjecture.

For me the PC interface is far more intuitive, what's with all those disperate apps all over the place...weird...horses for courses.

[Crimguy]

ORIGINAL: CriticalMass

so you think Microsoft will continue to port Office to Mac OS? Perhaps even Adobe may realise that making just one version of Photoshop is econically prudent and economics (I guess even for designer software there are more versions of Photoshop sold for PCs) would suggest that one version being the windows version. Again, Dreamweaver...conjecture.

For me the PC interface is far more intuitive, what's with all those disperate apps all over the place...weird...horses for courses.

Another good question. The only answer for me is "I hope so!"

I do disagree with windows being more intuitive than the Mac. Particularly for installing and removing software (goto add/remove programs, versus just dragging the app to the trash). I've also noted screws up my Windows machine over time when installing/uninstalling. I also like the unix underpinnings on the Mac, so I can easily talk to my linux server at home.

Don't get me started on the registry, ActiveX, and other inventions of MS that I think are short-sighted mistakes to say the least.

On the flip side I've learned to appreciate the start menu, and having menus on the actual windows as opposed to an ever-changing menu bar at the top like it is on the Mac. I find the graphics performance on Windows to be better than the Mac (DirectX is the best thing Microsoft ever did - thank you Alex St. John), and Photoshop CS for the PC (I have both) seems identical except for color matching/calibration - doesn't seem very good on the PC to me.

Over all, I have found OS X to be a much more stable platform, and where I find myself rebooting my dell 700m once every 5-7 days, my wife's iBook only reboots when there's an update (why it even needs to reboot then is a mystery to me. I can update everything on linux except the kernel without rebooting - 180 days of uptime is about average for me).

If only they'd put two mouse buttons on their notebooks. C'Mon already! And the MacBook ist still too big for my tastes.

[henri511]

ORIGINAL: CriticalMass

so you think Microsoft will continue to port Office to Mac OS? Perhaps even Adobe may realise that making just one version of Photoshop is econically prudent and economics (I guess even for designer software there are more versions of Photoshop sold for PCs) would suggest that one version being the windows version. Again, Dreamweaver...conjecture.

For me the PC interface is far more intuitive, what's with all those disperate apps all over the place...weird...horses for courses.

The Microsoft spokesman on the Usenet Mac forum said recently that Microsoft's intention is to coniinue to develop Office for the Mac, but a new version for Intel Macs will not come right away (Office 2004 runs well on Intel Macs but is not Mac native).

As for PC vs Mac, well that debate has been going on for years, and will probably continue. What we are used to is usually what we like, it takes a while to get used to a new interface. I have to admit that most of the stuff under my PC mystifies me, and I dare not touch the registries or remove most of the processes that have no busiiness being there, because I have no idea what they do and I am afraid of turning my PC into a doorstop if I make a mistake. No such problem with the Mac, especially since I am a bit familiar with Unix.

Henri

[CriticalMass]

hen5ri,

as I said, horses for courses. I'm neither a Mac nor PC fan boi. Amiga all the way (and The best game ever on the Amiga, Fire Brigade by Panther Games...).

A word of caution on  Microsoft spokesmen...WinFS!

[Queeg]

Without commenting on the Mac vs. PC issue (I use both), let me just say that COTA runs just fine on my MacBook Pro. I'm running Windows via Boot Camp (i.e., on a separate partition) and it runs any Windows program natively. Any wargame will run just fine. I've also played some 3D games like Far Cry and Civ 4 with no problems.

[Queeg]

ORIGINAL: pad152

I don't get it[&:], if you have to install Windows on your Mac, what's the point of owning a Mac anymore? I think you'll find yourself booting more and more to Windows, because nobody is going to make or port software for the Mac OS anymore, now that it runs Windows.[:-] When will that software be available on a Mac? just run Windows! [8|]


How long can the Mac last as nothing more than a overpriced Windows Machine[&:]

Opposite experience here. I never use my PC anymore except to play games. Now I can do that on my Mac. I'll probably never buy another PC.

[Crimguy]

Thought some of you might want to read the ArsTechnica review of Parallels VM for the Mac:

http://arstechnica.com/reviews/apps/parallels.ars

Sounds nice for 2d, but you need to dual-boot to get any 3D working.  That's practically a deal-breaker for me at home, but being able to run the Windows version of Quickbooks and COTA would make up for it at work ;-D