Andy Mac v PZB This time India will Stand !!!!

[Andy Mac]

Aye I need to assess the overall situation my gut feel is I have been over optimisitic and may need to pull back otherwise I am going to waste troops.
 
Re Darwin I almost wish I hadnt guessed where String was going 18th Brit would be in Perth nice and safe as it is the whole Div has less fighting power than a Bn now

[castor troy]

ORIGINAL: wpurdom

You may wind up having to strip the P-38's of pilots and disband them while you still can without losing the planes. If you wait they may be lost.

this is something I would consider as gamey though. If it´s possible to disband this unit and get the damaged ac back into the pool then I would call that gameyness par excellence. How could one argue that this would be possible in real life? Saving damaged ac by disbanding them into a magic pool that makes them suddenly vanish from a base under air attack is pretty much off to me.

[Andy Mac]

You cannot the plane get destroyed when damaged

[witpqs]

ORIGINAL: Andy Mac

You cannot the plane get destroyed when damaged

Somebody give me an Andy to English dictionary...

[:D]

[crsutton]

ORIGINAL: Andy Mac

p.s. not advertising this fact to loudly but out of 25 planes 9 are already down for maintenance after one day P38E's are real hanger queens

I think they really benefit from large airfields (5 or more). They really were fairly sophisticated aircraft and needed care. Especially true of the E version.

[crsutton]

ORIGINAL: castor troy

ORIGINAL: Andy Mac

Yeah I know he is grumpy but he chose PDU and lets fact it its a massive bonus for the Japanese.

Having said that the value of them other than psychologicial is limited as I cannot keep them flying

I had started a discussion with him in his AAR about the P-38 (how could I dare, afterall I know how a JFB is thinking [;)]). But the discussion ended right after starting it in agreeing that we don´t agree. I´ve asked how many frontline fighters he will mass produce in a couple of months and how many were historical. Not to talk about how well R&D will work and how many hundred/thousands of fighters he will produce earlier than they appeared in real life (not to talk about the total numbers).

So he´s pissed off by three dozen P-38s 4 months ahead of what he would call acceptable while himselve probably already producing far more Zeroes and Oscars and in total (compared to real life) he will produce thousands of first line ac instead of the crap that was built in real life. Being a JFB or AFB is ok with me (just like I´m a JFB that took control over the Allied for my first PBEM), but you should never lose common sense IMO.

And we are talking about 50 fighters total. Not going to change the game one whit. And as a sop to JFBs the world over, production of P38s of all types is very sparse in AE. You will not see swarms of them like you did in WITP. The first massive American air superiority land fighter that Japan is really going to have to deal with is the P47. You will see lots and lots of them.

BTW, did he use the "experimental" tojo unit located in China in the early days of the war?

[crsutton]

ORIGINAL: castor troy

ORIGINAL: wpurdom

You may wind up having to strip the P-38's of pilots and disband them while you still can without losing the planes. If you wait they may be lost.

this is something I would consider as gamey though. If it´s possible to disband this unit and get the damaged ac back into the pool then I would call that gameyness par excellence. How could one argue that this would be possible in real life? Saving damaged ac by disbanding them into a magic pool that makes them suddenly vanish from a base under air attack is pretty much off to me.

But you do not get them all. That is the trade off.

[castor troy]

ORIGINAL: Andy Mac

You cannot the plane get destroyed when damaged

good!

[Przemcio231]

Hmmm how did you get those P-38's i have coupple of squadrons in the states but i can't upgrade or downgrade them to anything:)

[castor troy]

ORIGINAL: Przemcio231

Hmmm how did you get those P-38's i have coupple of squadrons in the states but i can't upgrade or downgrade them to anything:)

with PDU on and with enough other fighters in the pool you can downgrade them if you have at least 25 substitute fighters in the pool. With PDU off, you can´t I guess.

[wpurdom]

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Saving damaged ac by disbanding them into a magic pool that makes them suddenly vanish from a base under air attack is pretty much off to me.
[/blockquote]In my experience you can't do this after you've lost air superiority to the other side. If I'm right about my impression, it may already have been too late by the time I suggested it. I thought that perhaps just after the first couple of fights the computer would judge him sufficiently in control of the air to ship off the planes. I assume it's an abstraction that presumes local assets are available, like the ability to move ships that are out of fuel.

[Andy Mac]

Not really much to sy this turn shell game in Java awaiting the invasion I will do an analysis of the likely landing spots at some stage
 
Merak in the north or the base witht he big AF in the south are good candidates as is Kalidja, Kragen and Sama whatever you call it.
 
I have all of them garrioned with reaction forces floating around.
 
Lets see what happens
 
Apart from that my DD's caught a small jap TF unloading and sank one
 
AFTER ACTION REPORTS FOR Feb 06, 42
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Invasion Support action off Bandjermasin
 
Japanese Ships
      PB Edo Maru
      PB Busho Maru
 
 
 
PB Edo Maru firing at enemy troops
PB Busho Maru firing at enemy troops
 
 
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ASW attack near Lahaina  at 184,105
 
Japanese Ships
      SS I-4
 
Allied Ships
      xAK Dorothy Philips
      xAKL Tamara
      DD Kane
 
 
 
SS I-4 is sighted by escort
DD Kane fails to find sub, continues to search...
DD Kane attacking submerged sub ....
DD Kane loses contact with SS I-4
SS I-4 eludes DD Kane by diving deep
DD Kane fails to find sub, continues to search...
DD Kane fails to find sub, continues to search...
DD Kane fails to find sub, continues to search...
Escort abandons search for sub
 
 
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Submarine attack near Koshiki-jima Retto  at 99,60
 
Japanese Ships
      xAK Hoeisan Maru, Torpedo hits 1,  on fire,  heavy damage
 
Allied Ships
      SS Skipjack
 
 
 
xAK Hoeisan Maru is sighted by SS Skipjack
SS Skipjack launches 4 torpedoes
 
 
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Night Time Surface Combat, near Tulagi at 114,137, Range 11,000 Yards
 
Japanese Ships
      DD Tanikaze, Shell hits 4,  on fire
      DD Arare, Shell hits 27,  heavy fires,  heavy damage
 
Allied Ships
      DD Mustin
      DD Russell
      DD Brooks
      DD Gilmer
 
Japanese ground losses:
      102 casualties reported
         Squads: 0 destroyed, 0 disabled
         Non Combat: 1 destroyed, 6 disabled
         Engineers: 7 destroyed, 4 disabled
      Vehicles lost 2 (1 destroyed, 1 disabled)
 
 
 
Allied Ships Reported to be Approaching!
Japanese TF suspends unloading operations and begins to get underway
Allied Ships Reported to be Approaching!
Maximum visibility in Partly Cloudy Conditions and 67% moonlight: 11,000 yards
Range closes to 23,000 yards...
Range closes to 20,000 yards...
Range closes to 17,000 yards...
Range closes to 14,000 yards...
Range closes to 11,000 yards...
CONTACT: Japanese lookouts spot Allied task force at 11,000 yards
CONTACT: Allied lookouts spot Japanese task force at 11,000 yards
DD Arare engages DD Gilmer at 11,000 yards
DD Tanikaze engages DD Brooks at 11,000 yards
DD Tanikaze engages DD Russell at 11,000 yards
DD Tanikaze engages DD Mustin at 11,000 yards
Range closes to 9,000 yards
DD Arare engages DD Mustin at 9,000 yards
DD Gilmer engages DD Tanikaze at 9,000 yards
DD Arare engages DD Russell at 9,000 yards
DD Mustin engages DD Arare at 9,000 yards
DD Arare engages DD Brooks at 9,000 yards
DD Tanikaze engages DD Gilmer at 9,000 yards
DD Russell engages DD Arare at 9,000 yards
DD Mustin engages DD Arare at 9,000 yards
Range increases to 10,000 yards
DD Arare engages DD Russell at 10,000 yards
DD Arare engages DD Brooks at 10,000 yards
DD Arare engages DD Russell at 10,000 yards
DD Arare engages DD Mustin at 10,000 yards
Range closes to 9,000 yards
DD Arare engages DD Gilmer at 9,000 yards
DD Arare engages DD Brooks at 9,000 yards
DD Tanikaze engages DD Russell at 9,000 yards
DD Tanikaze engages DD Mustin at 9,000 yards
Range closes to 5,000 yards
DD Tanikaze engages DD Gilmer at 5,000 yards
DD Brooks engages DD Arare at 5,000 yards
DD Arare engages DD Russell at 5,000 yards
DD Arare engages DD Mustin at 5,000 yards
Range closes to 3,000 yards
DD Russell engages DD Arare at 3,000 yards
DD Tanikaze engages DD Brooks at 3,000 yards
Japanese Task Force Manages to Escape
Task forces break off...
 
 
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ASW attack near Wakkanai  at 121,48
 
Japanese Ships
      SC CHa-16
      SC CHa-24
      SC CHa-20
 
Allied Ships
      SS Pollack
 
 
 
SS Pollack is sighted by escort
SC CHa-24 fails to find sub and abandons search
SC CHa-20 fails to find sub, continues to search...
SC CHa-20 fails to find sub, continues to search...
SC CHa-20 fails to find sub, continues to search...
SC CHa-20 fails to find sub, continues to search...
SC CHa-20 fails to find sub, continues to search...
Escort abandons search for sub
 
 
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Invasion Support action off Bandjermasin
 
Japanese Ships
      PB Edo Maru
      PB Busho Maru
 
 
 
PB Edo Maru firing at enemy troops
PB Busho Maru firing at enemy troops
 
 
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Pre-Invasion action off Puerto Princesa
 
Japanese Ships
      LSD Akitsu Maru
      DD Yukaze
 
 
 
2nd PI Base Force firing at LSD Akitsu Maru
LSD Akitsu Maru firing at enemy troops
DD Yukaze firing at enemy troops
 
 
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Amphibious Assault at Puerto Princesa
 
TF 259 troops unloading over beach at Puerto Princesa, 73,83
 
 
 
 
 
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Invasion Support action off Bandjermasin
 
Japanese Ships
      PB Edo Maru
      PB Busho Maru
 
 
 
PB Edo Maru firing at enemy troops
PB Busho Maru firing at enemy troops
 
 
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Invasion Support action off Puerto Princesa
 
Japanese Ships
      LSD Akitsu Maru
      DD Yukaze
 
 
 
LSD Akitsu Maru firing at enemy troops
DD Yukaze firing at enemy troops
 
 
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Day Time Surface Combat, near Port Moresby at 97,131, Range 15,000 Yards
 
Japanese Ships
      DD Kisaragi
      DD Uzuki
      DD Asanagi
      DD Sawakaze
 
Allied Ships
      PT-43
      PT-44, Shell hits 1, and is sunk
      PT-45
      PT-46
      PT-47, Shell hits 1, and is sunk
      PT-48, Shell hits 1, and is sunk
 
 
 
Maximum visibility in Overcast Conditions: 20,000 yards
CONTACT: Japanese lookouts spot Allied task force at 17,000 yards
Range closes to 15,000 yards...
Japanese open fire on surprised Allied ships at 15,000 yards
DD Asanagi fires at PT-48 at 15,000 yards
DD Asanagi fires at PT-48 at 15,000 yards
Range closes to 12,000 yards
DD Sawakaze engages PT-48 at 12,000 yards
DD Asanagi engages PT-47 at 12,000 yards
DD Uzuki engages PT-46 at 12,000 yards
DD Kisaragi engages PT-44 at 12,000 yards
PT-44 sunk by DD Sawakaze at 12,000 yards
DD Asanagi engages PT-43 at 12,000 yards
Range closes to 11,000 yards
DD Uzuki engages PT-46 at 11,000 yards
DD Kisaragi engages PT-43 at 11,000 yards
DD Asanagi engages PT-43 at 11,000 yards
Leonard F. orders Allied TF to disengage
Range increases to 13,000 yards
DD Sawakaze engages PT-47 at 13,000 yards
PT-47 sunk by DD Sawakaze at 13,000 yards
DD Sawakaze engages PT-46 at 13,000 yards
DD Asanagi engages PT-43 at 13,000 yards
Range increases to 15,000 yards
DD Asanagi engages PT-48 at 15,000 yards
DD Uzuki engages PT-43 at 15,000 yards
DD Kisaragi engages PT-46 at 15,000 yards
DD Uzuki engages PT-48 at 15,000 yards
DD Sawakaze engages PT-46 at 15,000 yards
DD Uzuki engages PT-43 at 15,000 yards
Range closes to 14,000 yards
DD Sawakaze engages PT-48 at 14,000 yards
DD Asanagi engages PT-45 at 14,000 yards
DD Uzuki engages PT-45 at 14,000 yards
DD Kisaragi engages PT-46 at 14,000 yards
Leonard F. orders Allied TF to disengage
Range closes to 13,000 yards
DD Asanagi engages PT-48 at 13,000 yards
DD Sawakaze engages PT-46 at 13,000 yards
DD Uzuki engages PT-45 at 13,000 yards
DD Sawakaze engages PT-43 at 13,000 yards
DD Asanagi engages PT-48 at 13,000 yards
DD Uzuki engages PT-46 at 13,000 yards
DD Uzuki engages PT-48 at 13,000 yards
DD Kisaragi engages PT-48 at 13,000 yards
Range increases to 15,000 yards
PT-48 sunk by DD Asanagi at 15,000 yards
DD Sawakaze engages PT-43 at 15,000 yards
Range increases to 17,000 yards
DD Asanagi engages PT-46 at 17,000 yards
DD Sawakaze engages PT-45 at 17,000 yards
DD Uzuki engages PT-43 at 17,000 yards
DD Kisaragi engages PT-46 at 17,000 yards
Task forces break off...
 
 
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ASW attack near Balabac  at 70,83
 
Japanese Ships
      PB Rokko Maru #2
      PB Yodozo Maru
 
Allied Ships
      SS Shark
 
 
 
SS Shark is sighted by escort
PB Rokko Maru #2 fails to find sub, continues to search...
PB Yodozo Maru fails to find sub, continues to search...
Escort abandons search for sub
 
 
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ASW attack near Lahaina  at 185,104
 
Japanese Ships
      SS I-5
 
Allied Ships
      AM Turkey
      AO Neches
      TK Mobilgas
      xAK Skagerak
      xAK Shooting Star
      xAK William Luckenbach
      xAK Steel Trader
      DMS Perry
      DMS Lamberton
      AM Vireo
 
 
 
SS I-5 is sighted by escort
DMS Perry fails to find sub and abandons search
DMS Lamberton fails to find sub and abandons search
AM Vireo fails to find sub, continues to search...
Escort abandons search for sub
 
 
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ASW attack near Lahaina  at 185,104
 
Japanese Ships
      SS I-5
 
Allied Ships
      AM Turkey
      AO Neches
      TK Mobilgas
      xAK Skagerak
      xAK Shooting Star
      xAK William Luckenbach
      xAK Steel Trader
      DMS Perry
      DMS Lamberton
      AM Vireo
 
 
 
SS I-5 is sighted by escort
DMS Perry attacking submerged sub ....
DMS Perry loses contact with SS I-5
DMS Perry loses contact with SS I-5
DMS Perry cannot establish contact with SS I-5
DMS Lamberton fails to find sub, continues to search...
AM Vireo fails to find sub, continues to search...
DMS Perry fails to find sub and abandons search
DMS Lamberton fails to find sub and abandons search
AM Vireo fails to find sub, continues to search...
AM Vireo attacking submerged sub ....
SS I-5 eludes ASW attack from AM Vireo
SS I-5 eludes ASW attack from AM Vireo
AM Vireo attacking submerged sub ....
AM Vireo cannot reach attack position over SS I-5
SS I-5 eludes AM Vireo by diving deep
AM Vireo loses contact with SS I-5
AM Vireo loses contact with SS I-5
Escort abandons search for sub
 
 
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ASW attack near Cam Ranh Bay  at 65,75
 
Allied Ships
      SS KXVIII
 
 
 
SS KXVIII is sighted by escort
KXVIII diving deep ....
Sub escapes detection
 
 
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Morning Air attack on Port Moresby , at 98,130
 
Weather in hex: Severe storms
 
Raid detected at 40 NM, estimated altitude 23,000 feet.
Estimated time to target is 13 minutes
 
Japanese aircraft
      A6M2 Zero x 9
 
 
 
No Japanese losses
 
 
 
Aircraft Attacking:
       2 x A6M2 Zero sweeping at 20000 feet
 
 
 
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Morning Air attack on 73rd PA Infantry Regiment, at 79,85 (Bacolod)
 
Weather in hex: Thunderstorms
 
Raid spotted at 44 NM, estimated altitude 15,000 feet.
Estimated time to target is 15 minutes
 
Japanese aircraft
      G4M1 Betty x 15
 
 
 
No Japanese losses
 
 
 
Aircraft Attacking:
      15 x G4M1 Betty bombing from 9000 feet
               Ground Attack:  2 x 250 kg GP Bomb,  4 x 60 kg GP Bomb
 
 
 
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Morning Air attack on Rangoon , at 54,53
 
Weather in hex: Clear sky
 
Raid spotted at 34 NM, estimated altitude 21,000 feet.
Estimated time to target is 11 minutes
 
Japanese aircraft
      A6M2 Zero x 19
 
 
 
No Japanese losses
 
 
 
Aircraft Attacking:
      19 x A6M2 Zero sweeping at 20000 feet *
 
 
 
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Morning Air attack on TF, near Port Moresby at 98,130
 
Weather in hex: Severe storms
 
Raid detected at 40 NM, estimated altitude 7,000 feet.
Estimated time to target is 13 minutes
 
Japanese aircraft
      A6M2 Zero x 29
 
 
 
No Japanese losses
 
Allied Ships
      PT-43, Shell hits 3
      PT-45, Shell hits 2
      PT-46
 
 
 
Aircraft Attacking:
      24 x A6M2 Zero bombing from 100 feet
               Naval Attack:  2 x 60 kg GP Bomb
 
 
 
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Morning Air attack on Bataan , at 78,77
 
Weather in hex: Overcast
 
Raid spotted at 24 NM, estimated altitude 18,000 feet.
Estimated time to target is 8 minutes
 
Japanese aircraft
      Ki-21-Ic Sally x 18
 
 
 
Japanese aircraft losses
      Ki-21-Ic Sally: 1 destroyed, 10 damaged
 
 
 
Aircraft Attacking:
      17 x Ki-21-Ic Sally bombing from 15000 feet
               Port Attack:  4 x 250 kg GP Bomb
 
 
 
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Morning Air attack on Bataan , at 78,77
 
Weather in hex: Overcast
 
Raid spotted at 30 NM, estimated altitude 20,000 feet.
Estimated time to target is 10 minutes
 
Japanese aircraft
      Ki-21-Ic Sally x 40
 
 
 
Japanese aircraft losses
      Ki-21-Ic Sally: 12 damaged
 
 
 
Aircraft Attacking:
      19 x Ki-21-Ic Sally bombing from 20000 feet
               Port Attack:  4 x 250 kg GP Bomb
      21 x Ki-21-Ic Sally bombing from 15000 feet
               Port Attack:  4 x 250 kg GP Bomb
 
 
 
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Morning Air attack on Bataan , at 78,77
 
Weather in hex: Overcast
 
Raid spotted at 26 NM, estimated altitude 20,000 feet.
Estimated time to target is 8 minutes
 
Japanese aircraft
      Ki-48-Ib Lily x 19
 
 
 
Japanese aircraft losses
      Ki-48-Ib Lily: 3 damaged
 
 
 
Aircraft Attacking:
      19 x Ki-48-Ib Lily bombing from 20000 feet *
               Port Attack:  2 x 100 kg GP Bomb
 
 
 
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Morning Air attack on Bataan , at 78,77
 
Weather in hex: Overcast
 
Raid spotted at 33 NM, estimated altitude 19,000 feet.
Estimated time to target is 9 minutes
 
Japanese aircraft
      Ki-21-IIa Sally x 13
 
 
 
Japanese aircraft losses
      Ki-21-IIa Sally: 1 destroyed, 5 damaged
 
 
 
Runway hits 1
 
Aircraft Attacking:
      12 x Ki-21-IIa Sally bombing from 14000 feet
               Airfield Attack:  4 x 250 kg GP Bomb
 
 
 
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Morning Air attack on 84th Chinese Corps, at 85,51
 
Weather in hex: Clear sky
 
Raid spotted at 30 NM, estimated altitude 18,000 feet.
Estimated time to target is 8 minutes
 
Japanese aircraft
      Ki-30 Ann x 9
      Ki-36 Ida x 24
      Ki-43-Ia Oscar x 8
      Ki-51 Sonia x 3
 
 
 
Japanese aircraft losses
      Ki-51 Sonia: 1 damaged
 
 
Allied ground losses:
      34 casualties reported
         Squads: 0 destroyed, 2 disabled
         Non Combat: 0 destroyed, 2 disabled
         Engineers: 0 destroyed, 0 disabled
 
 
Aircraft Attacking:
       9 x Ki-30 Ann bombing from 15000 feet
               Ground Attack:  1 x 250 kg GP Bomb
      24 x Ki-36 Ida bombing from 15000 feet
               Ground Attack:  4 x 30 kg GP Bomb
       3 x Ki-51 Sonia bombing from 15000 feet
               Ground Attack:  4 x 50 kg GP Bomb
 
Also attacking 7th Chinese Corps ...
Also attacking 84th Chinese Corps ...
 
 
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Morning Air attack on Bataan , at 78,77
 
Weather in hex: Overcast
 
Raid spotted at 18 NM, estimated altitude 19,000 feet.
Estimated time to target is 5 minutes
 
Japanese aircraft
      Ki-48-Ib Lily x 14
 
 
 
Japanese aircraft losses
      Ki-48-Ib Lily: 1 destroyed, 11 damaged
 
 
 
Airbase hits 1
 
Aircraft Attacking:
      13 x Ki-48-Ib Lily bombing from 14000 feet
               Airfield Attack:  4 x 100 kg GP Bomb
 
 
 
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Morning Air attack on Bataan , at 78,77
 
Weather in hex: Overcast
 
Raid spotted at 15 NM, estimated altitude 21,000 feet.
Estimated time to target is 4 minutes
 
Japanese aircraft
      Ki-48-Ib Lily x 9
 
 
 
Japanese aircraft losses
      Ki-48-Ib Lily: 1 damaged
 
 
 
Port hits 1
 
Aircraft Attacking:
       9 x Ki-48-Ib Lily bombing from 20000 feet
               Port Attack:  4 x 100 kg GP Bomb
 
 
 
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Morning Air attack on Manila Bay Defenses , at 78,77 (Bataan)
 
Weather in hex: Overcast
 
Raid spotted at 17 NM, estimated altitude 13,000 feet.
Estimated time to target is 5 minutes
 
Japanese aircraft
      Ki-48-Ib Lily x 14
 
 
 
Japanese aircraft losses
      Ki-48-Ib Lily: 6 damaged
 
 
 
Aircraft Attacking:
      14 x Ki-48-Ib Lily bombing from 12000 feet *
               Ground Attack:  2 x 100 kg GP Bomb
 
 
 
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Morning Air attack on 21st Group Army, at 85,51
 
Weather in hex: Clear sky
 
Raid spotted at 24 NM, estimated altitude 21,000 feet.
Estimated time to target is 8 minutes
 
Japanese aircraft
      Ki-43-Ic Oscar x 4
      Ki-51 Sonia x 6
 
 
 
No Japanese losses
 
 
 
Aircraft Attacking:
       6 x Ki-51 Sonia bombing from 15000 feet
               Ground Attack:  4 x 50 kg GP Bomb
 
 
 
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Morning Air attack on Port Moresby , at 98,130
 
Weather in hex: Severe storms
 
Raid detected at 40 NM, estimated altitude 19,000 feet.
Estimated time to target is 14 minutes
 
Japanese aircraft
      A6M2 Zero x 5
      G3M2 Nell x 6
      G4M1 Betty x 33
 
 
 
Allied aircraft
      no flights
 
Japanese aircraft losses
      G3M2 Nell: 1 damaged
      G4M1 Betty: 4 damaged
 
Allied aircraft losses
      P-38E Lightning: 1 destroyed on ground
 
 
Allied ground losses:
      Guns lost 1 (0 destroyed, 1 disabled)
 
 
Airbase hits 2
Runway hits 6
 
Aircraft Attacking:
       9 x G4M1 Betty bombing from 15000 feet
               Airfield Attack:  2 x 250 kg GP Bomb,  4 x 60 kg GP Bomb
       6 x G3M2 Nell bombing from 15000 feet
               Airfield Attack:  2 x 250 kg GP Bomb,  4 x 60 kg GP Bomb
      24 x G4M1 Betty bombing from 15000 feet
               Airfield Attack:  2 x 250 kg GP Bomb,  4 x 60 kg GP Bomb
 
 
 
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Morning Air attack on Port Moresby , at 98,130
 
Weather in hex: Severe storms
 
Raid detected at 19 NM, estimated altitude 23,000 feet.
Estimated time to target is 6 minutes
 
Japanese aircraft
      A6M2 Zero x 15
 
 
 
No Japanese losses
 
 
 
Aircraft Attacking:
      13 x A6M2 Zero sweeping at 20000 feet
 
 
 
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Afternoon Air attack on Soerabaja , at 56,104
 
Weather in hex: Partial cloud
 
Raid spotted at 22 NM, estimated altitude 19,000 feet.
Estimated time to target is 7 minutes
 
Japanese aircraft
      A6M2 Zero x 15
 
 
 
No Japanese losses
 
 
 
Aircraft Attacking:
       7 x A6M2 Zero sweeping at 15000 feet *
       5 x A6M2 Zero sweeping at 14000 feet *
 
 
 
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Afternoon Air attack on Soerabaja , at 56,104
 
Weather in hex: Partial cloud
 
Raid spotted at 34 NM, estimated altitude 24,000 feet.
Estimated time to target is 11 minutes
 
Japanese aircraft
      A6M2 Zero x 5
 
 
 
No Japanese losses
 
 
 
Aircraft Attacking:
       5 x A6M2 Zero sweeping at 20000 feet *
 
 
 
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Invasion Support action off Bandjermasin
 
Japanese Ships
      PB Edo Maru
      PB Busho Maru
 
 
 
PB Edo Maru firing at enemy troops
PB Busho Maru firing at enemy troops
 
 
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Ground combat at 85,51
 
Japanese Deliberate attack
 
Attacking force 12672 troops, 104 guns, 42 vehicles, Assault Value = 464
 
Defending force 7580 troops, 70 guns, 0 vehicles, Assault Value = 185
 
Japanese adjusted assault: 442
 
Allied adjusted defense: 226
 
Japanese assault odds: 1 to 1
 
Combat modifiers
Defender: terrain(+), morale(-), experience(-)
Attacker: leaders(+)
 
Japanese ground losses:
      204 casualties reported
         Squads: 0 destroyed, 5 disabled
         Non Combat: 0 destroyed, 11 disabled
         Engineers: 0 destroyed, 1 disabled
      Vehicles lost 2 (0 destroyed, 2 disabled)
 
 
Allied ground losses:
      436 casualties reported
         Squads: 1 destroyed, 43 disabled
         Non Combat: 2 destroyed, 33 disabled
         Engineers: 0 destroyed, 3 disabled
 
 
Assaulting units:
    39th Division
 
Defending units:
    7th Chinese Corps
    84th Chinese Corps
    21st Group Army
 
 
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Ground combat at Nanyang (85,45)
 
Japanese Bombardment attack
 
Attacking force 17561 troops, 322 guns, 30 vehicles, Assault Value = 587
 
Defending force 34000 troops, 148 guns, 0 vehicles, Assault Value = 1010
 
 
Allied ground losses:
      244 casualties reported
         Squads: 0 destroyed, 7 disabled
         Non Combat: 10 destroyed, 12 disabled
         Engineers: 2 destroyed, 0 disabled
 
 
Assaulting units:
    40th Division
    58th Infantry Regiment
    15th Ind.Medium Field Artillery Regiment
    2nd Ind. Mountain Gun Regiment
    1st Mortar Battalion
    8th Ind.Hvy.Art. Battalion
    4th Mortar Battalion
    14th Medium Field Artillery Regiment
    8th Ind. Engineer Regiment
    11th Field Artillery Regiment
 
Defending units:
    92nd Chinese Corps
    41st Chinese Corps
    57th Chinese Corps
    1st Chinese Corps
    4th Construction Regiment
    5th War Area
    22nd Group Army
 
 
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Ground combat at Bandjermasin (60,99)
 
Japanese Deliberate attack
 
Attacking force 1107 troops, 6 guns, 0 vehicles, Assault Value = 40
 
Defending force 452 troops, 3 guns, 0 vehicles, Assault Value = 19
 
Japanese adjusted assault: 15
 
Allied adjusted defense: 4
 
Japanese assault odds: 3 to 1 (fort level 1)
 
Japanese forces CAPTURE Bandjermasin !!!
 
Combat modifiers
Defender: terrain(+), morale(-), experience(-)
Attacker: leaders(-)
 
 
Allied ground losses:
      196 casualties reported
         Squads: 4 destroyed, 2 disabled
         Non Combat: 10 destroyed, 2 disabled
         Engineers: 0 destroyed, 0 disabled
      Units retreated 2
 
 
Defeated Allied Units Retreating!
 
Assaulting units:
    I./4th Infantry Battalion
 
Defending units:
    SE Borneo KNIL Bn /1
    Bandjermasin Base Force
 
 
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Ground combat at 89,56
 
Japanese Deliberate attack
 
Attacking force 1139 troops, 12 guns, 0 vehicles, Assault Value = 51
 
Defending force 45 troops, 0 guns, 0 vehicles, Assault Value = 1
 
Japanese adjusted assault: 27
 
Allied adjusted defense: 1
 
Japanese assault odds: 27 to 1
 
Combat modifiers
Defender: leaders(+), morale(-), experience(-)
Attacker: leaders(+), leaders(-)
 
 
Allied ground losses:
      37 casualties reported
         Squads: 0 destroyed, 0 disabled
         Non Combat: 5 destroyed, 0 disabled
         Engineers: 0 destroyed, 0 disabled
      Units retreated 1
 
 
Defeated Allied Units Retreating!
 
Assaulting units:
    10th RGC Temp. Division
 
Defending units:
    10th Group Army
 
 
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Ground combat at Biak (87,110)
 
Japanese Deliberate attack
 
Attacking force 325 troops, 0 guns, 0 vehicles, Assault Value = 15
 
Defending force 0 troops, 0 guns, 0 vehicles, Assault Value = 0
 
Japanese adjusted assault: 5
 
Allied adjusted defense: 1
 
Japanese assault odds: 5 to 1 (fort level 0)
 
Japanese forces CAPTURE Biak !!!
 
Combat modifiers
Attacker: leaders(-)
 
 
 
Assaulting units:
    4th Indpt SNLF Coy
 
 
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Ground combat at Sampit (58,97)
 
Japanese Shock attack
 
Attacking force 42 troops, 2 guns, 0 vehicles, Assault Value = 4
 
Defending force 0 troops, 0 guns, 0 vehicles, Assault Value = 0
 
Japanese adjusted assault: 3
 
Allied adjusted defense: 1
 
Japanese assault odds: 3 to 1 (fort level 1)
 
Japanese forces CAPTURE Sampit !!!
 
Combat modifiers
Attacker: op mode(-), shock(+), leaders(-)
 
 
 
Assaulting units:
    Yokosuka 3rd SNLF /2
 
 
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Ground combat at Terapo (96,127)
 
Japanese Shock attack
 
Attacking force 102 troops, 1 guns, 0 vehicles, Assault Value = 7
 
Defending force 0 troops, 0 guns, 0 vehicles, Assault Value = 0
 
Japanese adjusted assault: 7
 
Allied adjusted defense: 1
 
Japanese assault odds: 7 to 1 (fort level 0)
 
Japanese forces CAPTURE Terapo !!!
 
Combat modifiers
Attacker: shock(+), leaders(+), leaders(-)
 
 
 
Assaulting units:
    2nd Raiding Rgt /1
 
 
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Ground combat at Wau (98,126)
 
Japanese Shock attack
 
Attacking force 95 troops, 1 guns, 0 vehicles, Assault Value = 6
 
Defending force 0 troops, 0 guns, 0 vehicles, Assault Value = 0
 
Japanese adjusted assault: 7
 
Allied adjusted defense: 1
 
Japanese assault odds: 7 to 1 (fort level 0)
 
Japanese forces CAPTURE Wau !!!
 
Combat modifiers
Attacker: shock(+), leaders(-)
 
 
 
Assaulting units:
    2nd Raiding Rgt /2
 
 
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Ground combat at Salamaua (98,127)
 
Japanese Shock attack
 
Attacking force 105 troops, 0 guns, 0 vehicles, Assault Value = 6
 
Defending force 0 troops, 0 guns, 0 vehicles, Assault Value = 0
 
Japanese adjusted assault: 7
 
Allied adjusted defense: 1
 
Japanese assault odds: 7 to 1 (fort level 0)
 
Japanese forces CAPTURE Salamaua !!!
 
Combat modifiers
Attacker: shock(+), leaders(+), leaders(-)
 
 
 
Assaulting units:
    2nd Raiding Rgt /3
 
 
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Ground combat at Finschhafen (100,126)
 
Japanese Shock attack
 
Attacking force 105 troops, 0 guns, 0 vehicles, Assault Value = 6
 
Defending force 0 troops, 0 guns, 0 vehicles, Assault Value = 0
 
Japanese adjusted assault: 4
 
Allied adjusted defense: 1
 
Japanese assault odds: 4 to 1 (fort level 0)
 
Japanese forces CAPTURE Finschhafen !!!
 
Combat modifiers
Attacker: shock(+), leaders(-)
 
 
 
Assaulting units:
    2nd Raiding Rgt /4
 
 

[Nemo121]

Semarang seems to be the natural landing point. It allows the rapid capture of Tjilitjap and Djokjakarta ( essential to prevent evacuation ), splits the enemy defences and allows the Japanese to defeat the Duthc in detail --- thus allowing the invasion force to be significantly smaller than it otherwise would be. If he's a good ground commander he'll bottle you up in one base ( probably Batavia ) whilst taking the other and then turning around to mop you up... I, personally, would take Soerabaja first as that would leave my forces in Batavia at the end of the conquest ready to hope across to Sumatra in just a day.

I estimate you'd only need 60 to 65% of the invasion force you'd otherwise need if you landed at either end of the island ( 15% pins, 45% takes the southern half before joining up and heading north ) and that means the other 40 to 35% of your force can be used elsewhere to mount another operation in parallel maintaining the operational tempo - which is crucial. Frankly if an opponent landed anywhere other than Semarang I'd makr them down as either:
a) unimaginative and stolid - the majority
b) someone who was highly insightful and had double-bluffed the situation taking a seemingly inferior option in order to disrupt my defensive plans - a tiny minority.

So, is String, in your opinion, a reasonable and stolid player, a good player who can see opportunities and exploit them or, lastly and least likely, the sort of player who sees military opportunities etc but then combines that insight with mind-games?

[Andy Mac]

Yup its a decent port so it should be high on the list I have a Bn of armour and a base force there at present with a regt close at hand - I need to assume he will take wherever he lands so my options are limited

[castor troy]

ORIGINAL: Andy Mac

Yup its a decent port so it should be high on the list I have a Bn of armour and a base force there at present with a regt close at hand - I need to assume he will take wherever he lands so my options are limited

why even spreading out and defending those places. The enemy will come ashore just as if your troops aren´t there so they only get wrecked and IMO you need every dozen av in either Batavia or Soerabaja to hold out a couple of days longer. Putting a not combat worthy unit in front of the Japanese juggernaut only makes it easier for them IMO. It doesn´t take them longer to unload, they don´t take any more losses during unload and all it will result in is one or two Dutch units being trashed for nothing. Playing it out realistic is one thing but that´s it and who says that the invasion is going on realistic. No sense spreading out the units IMO other than to prevent para attacks. But hey, there´s no difference either if the IJN unloads over a "hostile" beach that is held by a Dutch "armored" btn or if they unload at a friendly port that was secured by some paras.

[vlcz]

ORIGINAL: Andy Mac
Yup its a decent port so it should be high on the list I have a Bn of armour and a base force there at present with a regt close at hand - I need to assume he will take wherever he lands so my options are limited

Defend it heavily or evacuate it, if you post there a weak unit he can pursuit with armor and be in Djojakarta ( and java severed in two) at day D+2..

[Andy Mac]

Aye need to think about this a little he may actually go somewhere else as he has lots of options Java is fairly open in AE to conquest.
 
Things to think about I will consider my options

[Andy Mac]

If it was me and I had Palembang I would probably land at Merak and invest and then bypass Batavia with armour.
 
Maybe with a subsidiary landing in the centre trying to avoid bases with forts built up so pick a not obvious choice.
 
 

[Wirraway_Ace]

ORIGINAL: Andy Mac

If it was me and I had Palembang I would probably land at Merak and invest and then bypass Batavia with armour.

Maybe with a subsidiary landing in the centre trying to avoid bases with forts built up so pick a not obvious choice.

I like Merak too. You don't have to supress 2 major airfields. Semarang is a good target, but can be hit Amercian DBs (with 1000 pounders) and Brit TBs from both Batavia and Soerabaja.

[Andy Mac]

OK decision made I am evaccing no point in fighting somewhere you know you will lose.
 
HMS Abdiel mined the port last night (I love that ship !!!)
 
A few AKL's are pulling out some troops and the C47 detachment of 6 planes is going round the clock on pull out