Micheal T (Ger) vs Kamil (Sov)

[KamilS]

SigUp

Man, this looks brutal... MT is a skilled player, but I'm amazed at what the engine allows. Wish you good luck!

Don't worry it will get even more ridiculous.

[KamilS]

T11 north (German)


Leningrad garrison is doomed, but not many more troops will be lost in process of transferring troops into new positions near Moscow.

[KamilS]

T11 Moscow (German)


Main line wasn't breached. Soon troops from Leningrad theatre will arrive and I should be safe here at least until panzers from AGN get transferred to central part of front.

[KamilS]

T11 centre (German)


River Oka was crossed, but at them moment it far from being disasters. Area is heavily forested and swamps will help my cause too.

[KamilS]

T11 south (Germany)


Fortunately successful attack across river Done wasn't followed by movement of panzers.

[Peltonx]

Doing good keep it up.

You only have to stop 1 of the 2 hooks around Moscow.

[Disgruntled Veteran]

I'm rooting for you. I want to see Michael go past early 42 as axis.

[Peltonx]

ORIGINAL: Disgruntled Veteran

I'm rooting for you. I want to see Michael go past early 42 as axis.

He did vs me into mid 43 and was headed for a draw, but corruption issues saved his ass from a draw. The ONLY game to make it into 43, kinda of amazing it got corrupted. What are the odds?

MT has refused a rematch.



We all know why. To lazy to go the distance

If Kamil holds Moscow he has a win, as MT can't handle playing past mid 42 or starts whining about how game is boring.

At some point you think he man up or go home with his tail between his legs.

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He is not that hard to defeat just get him past 42 and its over.

[KamilS]

Sorry Pelton, but you are are completely wrong.

He has beaten you badly and everyone knows it, but you just can't accept truth and keep moaning about it.

[bigbaba]

you should be able to hold moscow. from turn 12-13 on you get some good divisions as reinforcment. nad he must have some serious supply problems east of tula.

holdout give your armies and fronts tons of RR repair units and try to beat the hell out of the wehrmacht in december 41.

[Peltonx]

ORIGINAL: Kamil

Sorry Pelton, but you are are completely wrong.

He has beaten you badly and everyone knows it, but you just can't accept truth and keep moaning about it.

he refused not me. Only game to 43 cant refute the facts

[mktours]

it seems that michael had pull out a lot of units from the front to his two wings, it might be a waste that you still keep so many unit at the front door of Moscow. don't forget what Zhukov did in 1941, only by drawing units from the front could he stop the Germans from two wings.

don't forget Moscow urban area is the best fort in this game, put Zhukov in charge of an army and numerous supply units under his command (there is no limt of supply units could be commited in the urban area) and the city is invincible to any frontal assault. so it might be a choice to withdraw your front line to the city and put them at the back of the urban area and protect the rail line. and you can easily hit them back to vyazma in the winter.

ORIGINAL: Kamil

T11 Moscow (German)


Main line wasn't breached. Soon troops from Leningrad theatre will arrive and I should be safe here at least until panzers from AGN get transferred to central part of front.

[mmarquo]

He is going for the rail lines to isolate the city from behind - becareful.

Marquo

[bigbaba]

indeed. you dont need all the western and kalinin front armies infront of moscow. you can for sure transfer a lot of troops to the north and south. the great defensive terrain there will benefit you and make it easier to stop the flanking attack.

[KamilS]

Marquo

He is going for the rail lines to isolate the city from behind - becareful.

Marquo

bigbaba

indeed. you dont need all the western and kalinin front armies infront of moscow. you can for sure transfer a lot of troops to the north and south. the great defensive terrain there will benefit you and make it easier to stop the flanking attack.

This is situation from few turns ago. Decisions were taken and price was paid. [:)]

[sillyflower]

Michael does not use exploits, eg doing things like muling or putting bombers on army airbases, but he does exploit (using the word in a non-perjorative sense) the rules eg that ridiculous new southern opening and using LW as a flying petrol station so as to make it impossible for soviets in 41. Once you lose too many units you can't stop the snowball effect.

All legitimate but rather robs the game of much meaning IMHO

[SigUp]

That's right, he is working extremely well within the boundaries of what the engine allows. But I am just stunned by this (unrealistic) progress, and as such I am really deterred from playing multiplayer.

[Peltonx]

ORIGINAL: SigUp

That's right, he is working extremely well within the boundaries of what the engine allows. But I am just stunned by this (unrealistic) progress, and as such I am really deterred from playing multiplayer.

You can do the same things vs AI GHC or SHC

[SigUp]

That is why I play the Soviet AI on 119 or 114 morale and German logistics at 60. I only captured Smolensk around mid-August, Kiev still hasn't fallen on turn 12 now (though I've completed the link-up between Panzer Groups 1 and 2 north of Sumy). It is doubtful whether Leningrad will fall (I just captured Shlisselburg), as the hex next to Pavlovo is guarded by 2-3 Soviet divisions at around 60-70 morale with level 3 forts (and not to mention of the other masses in reserve mode). Granted I am not a great player, but logistics at 60 and the rule of only transports being allowed for fuel transportation (unless the target unit is encircled) really puts a dent on how far the Panzers can advance. And I'm honestly having much fun with this.

[Peltonx]

ORIGINAL: SigUp

That is why I play the Soviet AI on 119 or 114 morale and German logistics at 60. I only captured Smolensk around mid-August, Kiev still hasn't fallen on turn 12 now (though I've completed the link-up between Panzer Groups 1 and 2 north of Sumy). It is doubtful whether Leningrad will fall (I just captured Shlisselburg), as the hex next to Pavlovo is guarded by 2-3 Soviet divisions at around 60-70 morale with level 3 forts (and not to mention of the other masses in reserve mode). Granted I am not a great player, but logistics at 60 and the rule of only transports being allowed for fuel transportation (unless the target unit is encircled) really puts a dent on how far the Panzers can advance. And I'm honestly having much fun with this.

The down side to that is late war SHC steam roller, unless your creative as GHC.

I have never used bombers to transport fuel and can still take Moscow by turn 12 vs AI on hard. WitE's AI is the best I have ever played agaist, but still no match for human vs human.

The logistics at 60 can easly be over come chaining HQB's. I am still tring to figure out MT's fuel tactics. More of a rotation very much like my chaining tactic. Nothing that can be patched out of the game.