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With regards to #3, Andy once made a database patch that fixed it. This patch is separate from the one in Tech Support, but I can no longer find it.

This is located in his scenario updates. In order to get the 'fix' you need to download them.
2. JAAF AF Bns seem to all have the #1467 Sound Detector device which doesn't upgrade (unless you edit the data file).

Again, see above.

I'll see if I can find the link to Andy's 'fix'.

I found this. Before using let's wait for others to chime in to see if its the latest and greatest.

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I'll see if I can find the link to Andy's 'fix'.

I found this. Before using let's wait for others to chime in to see if its the latest and greatest.

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Thanks for the link. I presume you are refering to this?

Patch 07 unofficial data scen updates - Andy Mac - Scenario slots # 1 to 19 - Added 21 Oct 12
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I believe there was an earlier database patch that involved a much bigger database update. I remembered very vividly, that update because it was the cause of one of my "reboot-planning" cycles.
The database change for this update only involved:
and updated and fixed dat files for the minimal AA and ASW fixes and adjustment we needed to do
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10 Dec 41

Sub War

My sub ring around the Hawaiian Islands is bearing fruit. A mass of ASW TFs spewed out of Pearl going after my subs. There was a single ship headed sitting at Hilo, presumably gathering resources for Pearl that I had seen yesterday. I sent I-8 to investigate and she torpedoed and sank the AG Antares.

To the west of Pearl, the I-17 drew first blood from the ASW TFs and sank DD Case. The rest was pretty not too exciting with my subs missing and the Allies wasting their depth charges. The I-4 did take one hit though, with her damage at 0-27(12)-1-0. She’ll head home for repairs.

The I-166 sank the TK Iris near Tobali. She was loaded with fuel.

The Allies do have some teeth. The S-37 put two torpedoes into Mizuho’s tough old hide. She’s in good enough shape to stay with her invasion TF though: 13-31(15)-7(5)-0.

The Triton got lucky with a good torpedo and hit the old Tenryu 3 hexes south of Wake. She’s headed back to Kwajalein for temporary repairs: 29-44(34)-3-0. She could have stayed with the invasion TF but I didn’t want her to take some CD gun hits that could have put her in danger.

5 Fleet

Nothing happening here.

4 Fleet

Nothing new here. Headed toward Ocean Island. AS/engineers headed to Tabiteuea.

SE Fleet

I landed an SNLF company and an AS company at Kavieng today. They’ll attack on 12 Dec. (Have I said lately that I’m not a fan of 2 day turns?)

SRA

Lots happening here, but still slow with the 2 day turns. (Not a fan.) Let’s start with the naval actions.

I placed a surface TF (3 CAs, 1 CL, 4 DDs) in the deep water hex to the east of Balikpapan, a very nice choke point where a good portion of the flood of enemy shipping tends to pour through. I wasn’t disappointed. They took out AS Holland (she’s one tough old bird, taking 24 shell hits and 2 torpedoes before going down), AVD Childs and AS Canopus. The TF will stay there and do more good things tomorrow.

The Ryujo, hanging out just south of Jolo, finally drew blood with two separate attacks. The first one took out AV Langley and the second sank 3 AMs. AMs? Really? She was surrounded by other more worthy fleeing ships.

The Naka and 4 DDs sank PG Isabel south of Davao. There are other single ships fleeing SW that I hope they catch.

Finally, the San Fernando cover force (2 CA, 1 CL, 2 DD) was busy with 5 enemy PT boats. A couple of battles destroyed them all with no damage to my ships.

There were a couple of Allied air attacks. First, 2 Catalinas attacked and torpedoed a Yusen-N cargo ship. She’ll sink tomorrow. I hate losing that class of ship, especially this early in the war. Nates did shoot one down.

Finally, 2x B-10Bs made a bombing run against the fleet at San Fernando. Nates drove them off. I saw two B-10s as op losses at the end of the turn. Tired old birds did their part for the war.

Philippines: The Allied Philippine Air Force is rapidly dwindling away. Only fighters (and a few O-47As) remain, and all are in Manila. Zeros swept the skies over Manila, shooting down 9 of the 12 fighters that rose against them. Later, bombers hit Clark Field and Manila’s airfields, to ensure no forts will be built.

San Fernando is now a Japanese fighter and light bomber base. This allows sweeps and some bombing attacks from short range. My Zero pilots have been rotating the sweep missions due to fatigue (20s and 30s). I don’t like having fatigue that high, but it’s been a necessity for the short term.

The 2 Formosa Regiment (victors of San Fernando) are marching to Lingayan (1 hex south), where the remainder of the 48 Division landed and took the base. They'll arrive tomorrow.

Some tanks and artillery landed at Aparri, which promptly switched sides. Should have landed the artillery at San Fernando or Lingayan. Units are spreading out to take northern Luzon.

Some interesting observations about the Philippines that I’ll discuss tomorrow.

Mindanao: Tanks landed at Dadjangas. They will attack on the 12th and drive north. Some infantry landed at Cotabato. They will attack on the 12th and drive east. More landings will occur in the next few days.

The B-17s have disappeared. I don’t see any planes at all in Mindanao.

Borneo: An infantry battalion landed at Kuching. I want this as a fighter and recon base. AS is enroute.

Malaya: Lots going on here. It started with a sweep of Singapore. Only 11 Buffalos rose to meet the Zeros and 3 Buffalos were shot down for no loss. Bombers came in later to keep the airfield damaged in order to prevent fort building.

Mersing was easily taken, trashing the Aussie brigade there. They retreated to Jahore Bharu and the tank regiment and recon chased them there.

Two tank regiments arrived at Singora, the base just north of Malaya. One will head down each coast to drive the forces south. Imperial Guards division is still a few days from arriving, along with other supporting units.

There are no more Allied planes in Northern Malaya. They either fled or flew to Singapore.

The airfields at Alor Star, Georgetown and Kuantan were all hit by bombers to keep from building forts at those locations. I also bombed Victoria Point’s airfield in preparation for my invasion there to prepare for the paratroop invasion of Pt. Blair. Interestingly, I destroyed a couple of H81A3s on the ground. The AVG is there, and they weren’t flying! Maybe I’ll sweep a few Zeros there in a couple of days to try and whittle them down a bit. I wonder if they’re going to escort some bombers or maybe fly down to Singapore. I wish my paratroopers were closer. I’d drop some of them there now.

Burma

Nothing yet. The 15 Army is still crawling north.

China

I’m still forming up my armies. It’s going to be a while.

Mike did something sneaky. He sent 8 Hudsons and 2 DB-3Ms to bomb Taihoku’s oil field, destroying all 8. Not nice. I put a chutai of Zeros there in case he doesn’t realize they were completely destroyed. I’ll repair them, but it’ll end up costing me 8k supply and about 360 or so oil. It’s not much in the grand scheme of things, but still an annoyance.

The Allied bombers came from Changsha. I’ll sweep and bomb there to try and make it too uncomfortable for him, but the damage is already done.

My first attack on Hong Kong showed me what I’m up against. The attack came in at 1:2. I had 123 squads disabled but nothing lost to 6 infantry squads killed and another 69 disabled. I’ll attack again on the 12th. The forts are level 3.

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11 Dec 41

Sub War

My subs around the Hawaiian Islands did nothing today, nor did the Allied ASW TFs. I can see a TF a hex south of Pearl that is showing a carrier and aircraft in it. Did one of the US carriers make it through my net? Probably.

The I-166 damaged and later the I-155 sank CM Rigel near Tobali.

Off Takao, the Pike surfaced and attacked an unescorted xAK. She pumped a shell into the cargo ship then the cargo ship promptly put a shell into the Pike. She then dove and disappeared.

Two different US S class subs damaged an xAP and sank an xAK south of Davao.

There are a LOT of ships in Palembang, probably loading fuel/oil. I’m vectoring 3-4 subs there to intercept as many as I can.

Not very exciting today.

5 Fleet

Nothing.

4 Fleet

The Wake invasion force is still sitting 3 hexes south of Wake. They’ll invade tomorrow. KB is 8 hexes to the SW, unspotted. They will cruise west, 4 hexes south of Wake for the next 2 days supporting the invaders. Akagi will provide LRCAP to the invasion TF while the bombers will look for any ships in the area then bomb Wake’s troops in the afternoon should there be no ships around. The invading force is an SNLF and a Naval Guard. That should do the trick.

Mike has been using his Wildcats at Wake in an attempt to bomb my ships over the past 2 days without success. Wonder if he’s going to withdraw them. If he doesn’t, he’ll lose them and give KBs fighter pilots a little target practice, especially if he uses them as naval bombers.

SE Fleet

Kavieng’s invasion force is sitting there waiting for the order to go. They’ll attack tomorrow.

Shortland Islands was invaded today. Unfortunately, it was with a construction battalion with no AV. [8|] The infantry was in a different TF and will arrive tomorrow. Another instance of troops invading and doing nothing for a day. They won’t attack until 14 Dec. [:@] This 2 day turn thing is going to take some getting used to. Maybe the base will auto convert to Japanese control during the next 2 day cycle. Yeah, wishful thinking, I know.

SRA

The surface TF (3 CA, 1 CL, 4 DD) stationed in the choke point east of Balikpapan had more fun today. They sank the xAP President Madison and the AO Pecos. There are a flood of enemy ships to their east fleeing toward them. I expect the horde to flee SE to escape their clutches, so I’m sending my TF on a convoluted route to the east to catch whatever they can and send them to the bottom. Rereading this, I decided I’m going to split the TF in two and send the 2 CAs and 2 DDs on the trek and leave a CA, the CL and 2 DDs there in case some of the ships go that way.

Ryujo is still sitting a hex to the south of Jolo. She sent her Kates after the AM TF from yesterday sinking a couple more. There are at least 9 TFs all around her running for their lives and they pick some AMs about 5 hexes away. Really?!

I have 4 DDs that just finished replenishing at Babeldaob. They're heading back out and will try to cut of and sink more ships.

Philippines: The Zero sweep of Manila shot down 7 of 9 remaining P-40Es. Almost done. I see 3 enemy fighters on Luzon.

Bombers hit Manila, Clark and Bataan’s airfields again.

The 48 Division combined and is marching on Clark Field.

The 65 Brigade landed to the east of Manila at Mauban and took that base. They’re staying put for the time being.

I noticed something interesting. I think Mike is going to make his final defense at Manila. I see 8 units at Clark Field (including those that were trashed in the San Fernando and Lingayan attacks), 1 at Bataan, and 27 in Manila. If that is the case, 48 Division, along with the artillery that is moving up, can take out Clark Field. Right now, I don’t see any enemy units in any of those locations moving.

Mindanao: Some Petes attacked an Allied xAK hitting her with 2x 30kg bombs. I’ll bet that hurt! [:D]

Troops landed at Cotabato yesterday and will attack tomorrow then begin pushing inland.

Borneo: The infantry battalion at Kuching will attack tomorrow.

Malaya: Seven Buffalos rose against the Zero sweep over Singapore. Two were shot down. Almost gone. I see 5 fighters and 66 bombers at Singapore. I'm sending my Betties and Tells to bomb the airfield.

Same bombing of Alor Star, Georgetown and Kuantan. The AVG (17 planes) is still sitting there.

Another 12k troops will land at Mersing tomorrow. I was going to build an airfield at Mersing but changed my mind. Johore Bahru has a nice, level 4 airfield that I’ll use. Everything at Mersing is moving there. The 12k troops landing tomorrow will backfill them, and most of them will move south too.

In the mean-time, I’m landing an infantry regiment and 24 AS at Kuantan, which has a level 4 airbase. I’ll station some fighters there to cover Mersing until Johore Bahru is running.

Finally, I’m sending an infantry battalion, 72 AS and a bunch of engineers to Muntok, just 2 hexes NE of Palembang. Once the airfield is up to level 2, I’ll station 2E bombers there to interdict the shipping at Palembang.

I learned something in this game. It’s practically impossible to successfully perform the Mersing Gambit with 2 day turns. There are too many delays for the Japanese allowing the Allies to run if they choose. Just about all of the troops from northern Malaya are in Singapore. I see 30 units there. There are 10 in Johore Bahru, including 3x Indian brigades from up north. I suspect they are all in Strat mode, so I’m going to try a shock attack with the tank and recon units there. I’m hoping to trash some of them. Keeping fingers crossed on this one. Even if I take serious losses, it really won’t hurt me in the grand scheme of things.

My intel says there are 5 Buffalos and 66 bombers at Singapore. The bombers are pretty ineffective. They usually go after the two BBs I have at Mersing as a covering force, and always miss. Flak and/or fighters whittle them down too.

Burma

Still heading north.

China

The Chinese bombers went after Taihoku’s oil again. It was already destroyed so there was no damage. Hopefully, they try again tomorrow. They’ll meet 9 Zeros.

My Hong Kong invasion force was happy to just bombard today. The 38 Division fatigue is 18 but disruption is only 7 with only 1 infantry squad disabled. The whole group will attack again tomorrow.

Other Stuff

2 Division left Sendai headed for Malaya.

33 Division is loaded and will head to Burma tomorrow.

4 Division is loading and will head to Malaya (most likely).

Elements of other divisions are also at sea heading to the SRA.

Next time you see a post from Mike (USSAmerica), take a look at his signature. Brave Sir Robin Fanboy. I am pretty sure he’s living up to that. I haven’t seen a warship bigger than a PG in the SRA (other than the British DDs that started in Hong Kong, but they’ve vanished too). They’re out there though. Just not sure when they’ll rear their ugly heads. As a response to that probable event, I’m trying to capture level 4 airfields and put a Naval Flotilla HQ there so I can plop some Betties/Nells to cover my fleets.

Johore Bahru is important for that. Betties/Nells there with torpedo carrying capability will nullify Mike’s ability to pull oil/fuel out of Palembang.
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10 Dec 41

I landed an SNLF company and an AS company at Kavieng today. They’ll attack on 12 Dec. (Have I said lately that I’m not a fan of 2 day turns?)
Is it too late to restart with 1 day turns? [:D]
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10 Dec 41

I landed an SNLF company and an AS company at Kavieng today. They’ll attack on 12 Dec. (Have I said lately that I’m not a fan of 2 day turns?)
Is it too late to restart with 1 day turns? [:D]

I am not sure that you can switch mid-game...
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10 Dec 41

I landed an SNLF company and an AS company at Kavieng today. They’ll attack on 12 Dec. (Have I said lately that I’m not a fan of 2 day turns?)
Is it too late to restart with 1 day turns? [:D]

I am not sure that you can switch mid-game...

Actually, the Japanese player can change the number of days per turn at any point. I will change to 1 day turns at the end of months where an airframe becomes operational so I don't lose the R&D factories.
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Philippines: The 48 Division combined and is marching on Clark Field.

I noticed something interesting. I think Mike is going to make his final defense at Manila. I see 8 units at Clark Field (including those that were trashed in the San Fernando and Lingayan attacks), 1 at Bataan, and 27 in Manila. If that is the case, 48 Division, along with the artillery that is moving up, can take out Clark Field. Right now, I don’t see any enemy units in any of those locations moving.

It would be ideal if you can capture Clark Field with 48 Div as that would stop supply moving from Manila to Bataan. To me Clark Field is the key terrain as once you have it you have the initiative to choose Bataan or Manila next.
Use the "1" hotkey to toggle terrain as I think Clark is JR=Jungle/Rough, so you will need a decent AV ratio advantage to win there, but you can check that once you arrive and can see exactly what he's got.
If the US tanks aren't there then he won't hold Clark long.
He probably figures that as Manila generates some supply he can hold out a bit longer there, but if you can take Clark and Bataan, clear the naval mines, the troops in Manila can be bombarded and bombed into the rubble.
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Mizuho’s

Is she one of the CS's that convert to CVL's?
Tenryu

IIRC this guy will convert to a CLAA in Feb. I usually get them out of the way and back home just so I don't forget.
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Rusty, yep, Mizuho can convert to a CVL and Tenryu becomes a CLAA. It's only the 5th day of the war! A bit early to pull them out I think. [:D]
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A bit early to pull them out I think.
Mizuho

Yes.[:)]
Tenryu

Not losing much here.

Edit: Kinda moot point now, as both will need repairs.[:D]

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If the Tenryu is one of those cruisers that can lay minefields, a good job for her is to lay some mines at nice fuel stops and then patrol the area.
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If the Tenryu is one of those cruisers that can lay minefields,

AFAIK, no.
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If the Tenryu is one of those cruisers that can lay minefields, a good job for her is to lay some mines at nice fuel stops and then patrol the area.

Yes, this is a reason not to convert Tenryu and Tatsuta. They can lay large(r) Type 93 minefields.

I don't convert mine. They are rather pitiful as CLAAs.
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If the Tenryu is one of those cruisers that can lay minefields, a good job for her is to lay some mines at nice fuel stops and then patrol the area.

Yes, this is a reason not to convert Tenryu and Tatsuta. They can lay large(r) Type 93 minefields.

I don't convert mine. They are rather pitiful as CLAAs.
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On the surface, getting 2 CLAA's seems great for IJ, but as Loka notes, they are actually quite anemic. All of the CA's are better.

Then there is the Type 93 mine layers, IJN has so few of those. So converting two of a short list of ships, well I don't convert them any more. They are more useful as mine layers and escorts than as CLAA's for me.
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Just went back to my notes on IJN mine laying capability, excluding starting pools which can all be laid in the first few months:
T-88 are sub laid and with a build rate of 35/month that’s about 2 x sub missions per month as they carry 20 each. The sailors on the 4 dedicated sub minelayers should see plenty of shore leave unless/until they get themselves sunk!
T-93 are CM laid with a build rate of 110/month. Even if you convert all the CM that can to E, the 5xCM that can’t convert carry 525 mines between them. Unless / until they start getting sunk they should be able to keep that pool drained.
T-4 are CMc laid, build rate 45/ month. 11x starting CMc carry 35 each so they can only be used 1-2 times a year in anger.
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T-4 are CMc laid, build rate 45/ month. 11x starting CMc carry 35 each so they can only be used 1-2 times a year in anger.
There is one funny thing with To'su CMc-s. They can be converted from xAKL/PB and come with 20 Type-4 on board for free. Those mines do not come from any pools. Then the empty CMcs can be converted back and forth to replenish the mines. 21x2 days per cycle.
Though, given the number of To'su-s in the roster this is gamey indeed
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I mean, they're also just Type 4 mines, which are pitiful. And that's a lot of clicks. I wouldn't bother.

The only mines I ever run out of are Type 88. Yes, the CMs carry Type 93's, but you aren't always going to be able to use those ships to lay the mines. Having the Tenryus around to do some minelaying is also useful. They're much faster, for one thing.
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And maybe I am the only one, BUT I do lose CM's and those '93's are the best mine that IJ gets. Also, I don't like to waste fuel, so I tend to assign CM's to an area. Fewer CM's means each has to cover a bigger area, more fuel used.

Just me though … I watch fuel usage …
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Good points Loka / Pax. The CMs are an interesting and versatile group of ships as they come in a variety of sizes and capabilities.
Some are larger old CLs and burn fuel accordingly, others are quite small.
Some have decent troop carrying capacity so are useful as fast transports or escorts of.
All except 5 can convert to E. Some already have ASW capability. This is the main choice, how many to convert to E, if any, as some can’t convert until 43 anyway.

Allocating the CM forward to Area Fleet locations allows you to use them as a multi-role utility. Also, they lay mines for two different purposes:
1. more defensive minefields, especially in oil producing hexes supported by ACM once the area is secure
2. offensive minefields in contested waters. In this role I expect the CMs to have a much shorter life span
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