I will show you fear in a handful of dust. HLYA (G) vs ZOVS (R)

[Jango32]

The Soviets can afford to lose all of Ukraine by retreating most of southern & southwestern fronts and still win the game by preventing the Axis from making any gains towards Leningrad or Moscow/Moscow's nearby VPs (Tula, Kalinin, Orel, Rzhev, Tambov, Ryazan), so I am unsure how beneficial taking the south really is outside of adding more hexes with railyard levels above 1.

[HardLuckYetAgain]

ORIGINAL: tyronec

Turn 4

Ground Phase

So playing devils advocate here & this is just a hypothetical scenario I am building based ONLY on these two level 2+ rail yards to move freight. The rest of the map does not exist for this example. Thus only Lvov and Rzeszow are my only movers. If we use the 30 hex radius model of level 2+ Railyard movement of frieght then freight can be moved to exactly the wide vertical black line. Meaning both level 2+ rail yards can contribute their capacity to get freight to that depot at that point.

If the model on the other hand is done by continuous rail hexes counted by rail hexes then both Lvov and Rzeszow can only get freight to the black circled depot location on the map.

You can see the difference between the two different possibilities based on how either the 30 hex radius or 30 hex continuous rail hex plays into the equation and thus why I am asking. This is just a simple example and can get very involved. But I have a theory and either I will fail at setting up what I am thinking or show a better optimization.

Interesting discussion but it is missing the main issue. There will be no freight going to either the black line or the black circle for quite some time because they are both far behind Soviet lines. Where is the converted track working it's way towards D'town, it has barely started yet ?
Maybe Axis can win this game with AGN and AGC but AGS looks like is a disaster.

Thank you for the post Tyronec. The post referenced was just theorizing using current map on freight I was given a lesson on. Thanks to all that helped shine the light. Yes, my rail system is far behind at the moment and could be a disaster for me in the South. We will have to see if it turns in to that in the future turns but I am slow playing the South. I just hope I can turn it around.

[HardLuckYetAgain]

ORIGINAL: Jango32

The Soviets can afford to lose all of Ukraine by retreating most of southern & southwestern fronts and still win the game by preventing the Axis from making any gains towards Leningrad or Moscow/Moscow's nearby VPs (Tula, Kalinin, Orel, Rzhev, Tambov, Ryazan), so I am unsure how beneficial taking the south really is outside of adding more hexes with railyard levels above 1.

I feel I can take Leningrad before year end. But just a feeling & I did not recon this turn so I could have a mass of screaming mad Soviets in front of me. The Center I don't have the resources there to push anything at the moment, so that is off the table & could be my demise. The South I will just have to move to contact since I don't see many Soviets in front of me.

[M60A3TTS]

ORIGINAL: tyronec
AGS looks like a disaster.

Not quite to that level, but no doubt that by departing from the double rail, he has incurred an opportunity cost that he will be paying for the rest of the game.

[HardLuckYetAgain]

ORIGINAL: M60A3TTS

ORIGINAL: tyronec
AGS looks like a disaster.

Not quite to that level, but no doubt that by departing from the double rail, he has incurred an opportunity cost that he will be paying for the rest of the game.

I don't feel like it is a disaster. /shrug

[HardLuckYetAgain]

I used to put a disclaimer of sorts on my AAR's before and will be placing one here.

If you follow me on this AAR please do your OWN due diligence and research the subject matter in the manual. What I say may or may not be true (to the best of my ability it will be) since I go and try all kind of odd-ball things in the game that "may" or "may not" work based on my experience. I could have something spectacular or have something that is an EPIC FAILURE, most times. Either way I am not scared to try out all my hair brain ideas no matter what the circumstances. This is one of the ways I keep the game feeling new for me, to find something that someone else hasn't. Therefore do your own due diligence and research for yourself and don't take what I am doing or saying in this AAR as "THE WAY" to do something or "GOSPEL" of the manual rules. You want someone that knows the rules inside and out then please contact by PM or Forum post to "Loki", he is the walking GURU of the rules.

[HardLuckYetAgain]

ORIGINAL: HardLuckYetAgain

I used to put a disclaimer of sorts on my AAR's before and will be placing one here.

If you follow me on this AAR please do your OWN due diligence and research the subject matter in the manual. What I say may or may not be true (to the best of my ability it will be) since I go and try all kind of odd-ball things in the game that "may" or "may not" work based on my experience. I could have something spectacular or have something that is an EPIC FAILURE, most times. Either way I am not scared to try out all my hair brain ideas no matter what the circumstances. This is one of the ways I keep the game feeling new for me, to find something that someone else hasn't. Therefore do your own due diligence and research for yourself and don't take what I am doing or saying in this AAR as "THE WAY" to do something or "GOSPEL" of the manual rules. You want someone that knows the rules inside and out then please contact by PM or Forum post to "Loki", he is the walking GURU of the rules.

If I have something incorrect in my AAR then by all means do what Beethoven did yesterday and correct my ways. More than happy to listen and share my EPIC FAIL so others can learn from it.

[HardLuckYetAgain]

Turn 4

Ground Phase Leningrad

Pretty close to finished my ground movement in the North near Leningrad. They say a picture is worth a 1,000 words. I will let the reader decide their own words then. Here is the picture.

[HardLuckYetAgain]

Turn 4

Ground Phase Leningrad

Oh, I forgot. Soviet bombing began again this turn and a butt load of freight drops too. Nothing major on interdiction nor hurtful on my units.

[DesertedFox]

ORIGINAL: HardLuckYetAgain

Turn 4

Ground Phase Leningrad

Pretty close to finished my ground movement in the North near Leningrad. They say a picture is worth a 1,000 words. I will let the reader decide their own words then. Here is the picture.

Now this looks very promising.

[HardLuckYetAgain]

ORIGINAL: DesertedFox

ORIGINAL: HardLuckYetAgain

Turn 4

Ground Phase Leningrad

Pretty close to finished my ground movement in the North near Leningrad. They say a picture is worth a 1,000 words. I will let the reader decide their own words then. Here is the picture.

Now this looks very promising.

Zovs is new to the Soviets so it is a bit unfair since there are things that he may not know what to do.