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[Hongjian]

I think a few Romeos and Mings on electric drive, creeping along the littorals would still be fairly dangerous. CMANO really shows how effing hard it is to detect anything in shallow waters.

[Dysta]

ORIGINAL: Hongjian

I think a few Romeos and Mings on electric drive, creeping along the littorals would still be fairly dangerous. CMANO really shows how effing hard it is to detect anything in shallow waters.

But it's the torpedoes and SLASMs tell them superior or not. Basically, you need to get subs close enough to use torps which is require quietness AND speed. A large amount of missiles is also required to simultaneously launched for the effective saturation.

Nowadays, countermeasures isn't just typical, but also nastier. Old torps' sonar can be seduced, and missiles is nearly impossible to penetrate multiple layers of area/point defenses. Attacking right on will make them even more vulnerable.

The only practical use of 22DDH could possibly be carrying Spec-Ops troops for decap strikes against NK fornications, given by the range of Seahawk and lacks of long-range AAs.

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Next news, could be a boost for US military: SpaceX and Blue Origins join force with Forces, literally:

https://arstechnica.com/science/2017/05 ... le-rockets

On Monday morning, SpaceX successfully launched a national security payload for the first time, cracking the market for US military missions. The first stage of the rocket then landed within a couple of miles from where it had taken off less than 10 minutes earlier, marking the tenth time SpaceX has safely returned a first stage to Earth.

The US military has taken note of these achievements, as well as those of Blue Origin and its reusable New Shepard suborbital vehicle—and that company’s ambitions to also build a large, reusable orbital rocket. “This has opened up a window of opportunity and gotten the attention of serious people,” Charles Miller, an aerospace consultant and president of NexGen Space, told Ars.

To that end Miller partnered with a number of Air Force officers at Air University and former Air Force officials to study the potential effects of lower-cost access to space on the US military. The “Fast Space” report, which has been briefed to senior officials in the US military and government in recent months, concludes that the US Air Force can benefit from these commercial developments.

SpaceX successfully launches its first spy satellite

“The USAF can form private sector partnerships to create a virtuous cycle of launch cost reductions of between 3 and 10 times lower than today’s costs,” the report finds. “Doing so could enable completely new approaches for the Air Force to defend American values, protect American interests, and enhance opportunities to exploit the unique global advantages of the ultimate high ground.”

The key concept in the report is “ultra low-cost access to space” enabled by reusable launch vehicle technology. The report says the United States, through developments by SpaceX, Blue Origin, and other companies such as Vulcan Aerospace and Virgin Galactic, has a definitive edge over global competitors in this new area of rocket technology. However, the report warns, other countries such as China could copy these ideas and surpass the United States if strategic government investments are not made.
-more at link-

[Dysta]

A leaked photo of CH-? (censored) UAV designed for sea-skimming anti-ship operation, with one specially designed Anti-ship torpedo. Unlike a cruise missile or kamikaze drone, it can be returned and to reuse.

translation:

CH-? (Censored) ground effect UAV

Purpose: Engage large sea-surface target with fast torpedo strike, sea area denial

Features:
High Loadout weight
Effectively penetrate area defense
Highly concealable

Targeted specification (not yet confirmed):
Max takeoff weight: 3000KG
Max loadout weight: 1000KG
Max duration of flight: 1.5 hours
Max height: >3 kilometers
Cruise height: 1-6 meters

[Primarchx]

ORIGINAL: Hongjian

I think a few Romeos and Mings on electric drive, creeping along the littorals would still be fairly dangerous. CMANO really shows how effing hard it is to detect anything in shallow waters.

That's why skimmers use speed and active sonar in the shallows. Keep speed at 12kts or higher and a good active set and DE subs will have a hard time getting into position without being spotted while moving. Not sure how much motionless bottom-hugging helps against active detection in Command at this point...

[mikmykWS]

ORIGINAL: Dysta

A leaked photo of CH-? (censored) UAV designed for sea-skimming anti-ship operation, with one specially designed Anti-ship torpedo. Unlike a cruise missile or kamikaze drone, it can be returned and to reuse.

translation:

CH-? (Censored) ground effect UAV

Purpose: Engage large sea-surface target with fast torpedo strike, sea area denial

Features:
High Loadout weight
Effectively penetrate area defense
Highly concealable

Targeted specification (not yet confirmed):
Max takeoff weight: 3000KG
Max loadout weight: 1000KG
Max duration of flight: 1.5 hours
Max height: >3 kilometers
Cruise height: 1-6 meters

LOL. I'd wait till further photos appear. Looks um...fake.

Mike

[mikmykWS]

ORIGINAL: Hongjian

I think a few Romeos and Mings on electric drive, creeping along the littorals would still be fairly dangerous. CMANO really shows how effing hard it is to detect anything in shallow waters.

Exactly. These subs aren't meant to chase but creep and wait.

M

[kevinkins]

Under water "picket fence" as it were.

[Cik]

crewed mine.

granted it's not a bad idea. it's what i end up doing in command often enough, even with very high-tech subs. if you can put yourself in the path and then stop your engines (or very close) it's safer than running in all the way to the intercept at a higher throttle setting.

[xavierv]

French Navy Guyana-based Light Patrol Vessel PLG La Confiance is Now on Active Duty

The "La Confiance" PLG (Patrouilleur Léger Guyanais or French Guyana-based Light Patrol Vessel) is now on "Active Duty" and able to conduct operational missions following a ceremony held April 27th in presence of the Chief of Staff of the French Navy (Marine Nationale) Admiral Prazuck.

http://www.navyrecognition.com/index.ph ... -duty.html

South Korean Shipyard HHIC Laid the Keel of an Improved Dokdo-type LPH/LPX for ROK Navy

The South Korean defense procurement agency (DAPA) and local shipyard Hanjin Heavy Industries and Construction (HHIC) in Busan, held the keel laying ceremony on April 28th for a second Landing Platform Helicopter (LPH) amphibious assault ship for the Republic of Korea Navy (ROK Navy). The launch of the new vessel (designated S139 / LPX) is scheduled for one year from now (April 2018). Delivery of the ship to the ROK Navy fleet is scheduled for 2020.

http://www.navyrecognition.com/index.ph ... -navy.html


PT Pal Cuts First Steel for Indonesian Navy - TNI AL - Sixth Landing Platform Dock

Indonesian shipyard PT PAL (Persero) in Surabaya held the steel cutting ceremony of the sixth landing platform dock (LPD) for the Indonesian Navy (TNI AL). The contract for the construction of this ship was concluded by the Indonesian Navy with PT PAL on January 11, 2017. The vessel is set to be delivered by December 11, 2018.

http://www.navyrecognition.com/index.ph ... -dock.html

Second America-class Amphibious Assault Ship Tripoli Launched by HII

On April 9 the future USS Tripoli (LHA 7) conducted a translation from land to the dry dock at Huntington Ingalls Industries' (HII) shipyard. The translation was conducted in preparation of launching the ship which was successfully conducted on May 1.

http://www.navyrecognition.com/index.ph ... y-hii.html

[Gunner98]

Looks um...fake

Careful Luke.. behind you [;)]

[Hongjian]

A leaked photo of CH-? (censored) UAV designed for sea-skimming anti-ship operation, with one specially designed Anti-ship torpedo. Unlike a cruise missile or kamikaze drone, it can be returned and to reuse.

quote:

translation:

CH-? (Censored) ground effect UAV

Purpose: Engage large sea-surface target with fast torpedo strike, sea area denial

Features:
High Loadout weight
Effectively penetrate area defense
Highly concealable

Targeted specification (not yet confirmed):
Max takeoff weight: 3000KG
Max loadout weight: 1000KG
Max duration of flight: 1.5 hours
Max height: >3 kilometers
Cruise height: 1-6 meters

Quite an innovative design. Makes me think of discussions in military forums whether one could use the ASW-variant of the Klub (that one armed with a LWT) for anti-surface attacks.

Kinda like a modern day unmanned Torpedo Bomber, Pearl Harbour style.

[redcoat]

It looks different from the other Cai Hong UCAVs. But I suppose it would look different if it is able to use 'ground effect'.

[redcoat]

Izvestia has reported that the Sukhoi T-50 PAK-FA fighter is able to use the Kh-35UE anti-ship missile – giving it another capability

https://sputniknews.com/military/201705031053239603-sukhoi-t50-ship-slayer/

[xavierv]

Waiting for DCNS / French Navy to give me more details on the sonar etc...

DCNS Wins French Navy La Fayette-class Frigate Upgrade Program

The French Procurement Agency (DGA) awarded to French shipbuilding group DCNS the upgrade contract for three of the five La Fayette-class Frigates in service with the French Navy (Marine Nationale).

http://www.navyrecognition.com/index.ph ... ogram.html

[redcoat]

ORIGINAL: Dysta

This article suggests that the new ‘Cai Hong’ could be a drone-missile hybrid rather than an elaborate UCAV

http://www.thedrive.com/the-war-zone/9974/whats-the-deal-with-chinas-surface-skimming-anti-ship-drone-missile-hybrid

Time will tell. It will be interesting to see if anyone shows an interest in buying it either way.

[Dysta]

ORIGINAL: redcoat

This article suggests that the new ‘Cai Hong’ could be a drone-missile hybrid rather than an elaborate UCAV

http://www.thedrive.com/the-war-zone/9974/whats-the-deal-with-chinas-surface-skimming-anti-ship-drone-missile-hybrid

Time will tell. It will be interesting to see if anyone shows an interest in buying it either way.

If they sell it as a missile, it will violate MTCR (even China didn't sign it, but as a UAV like CH-4 they just sell them regardless) . 1.5 hours duration for subsonic speed can easily break through 300km limit. Also for offensive sea skimming altitude, it cannot be slower for lifting over 2 tons of vehicle.

Under the category of 'reusable missile' is no different than a drone, but still not a product China is willing to sell if it got the whopping 750nm (1389km !!) ferry range and still being labeled as a missile.

For a rough calculation, a legal max radius of this thing is 290km, not include the 10km for torpedo drop. If it flys for 40 minutes, it will has 435 km/h of cruise speed. With the 50 minutes of return stage, it can have 650km of total ferry range. That is not counting with weight factor of course.

[Hongjian]

Well, the article misunderstands quite a bit.
If they actually had anyone to translate it, they would know that this UAV isnt a missile, but carries a "long range, high speed torpedo" (远程快速鱼雷) to attack large surface targets.

The drone itself might also crash into the surface target, but it's not the main job. Dropping a, presumably heavy weight (1000kg), torpedo is.

[Dysta]

SY-400 is an opaque weapon: be it called an universal rocket, or a ballistic missile, it did involved with many strange purposes like firing it straight into an eye of typhoon, or its tremendous range above the width of Taiwan strait.

But now, Myanmar media reported that they are ordering SY-400 system, including the tactical missile BP-12A, which has much greater range than standard quad-pack rockets.

http://defence-blog.com/news/myanmar-lo ... stems.html

[redcoat]

MQ-9 Reapers add to arsenal with first GBU-38 drop

http://www.acc.af.mil/News/Article-Display/Article/1175159/mq-9-reapers-add-to-arsenal-with-first-gbu-38-drop/

[Dysta]

Non-military news.

We know that Wi-Fi signal can do the room-scanning tricks to locate persons inside the broadcasting room, acting it like a 2D radar. Today researcher also find out Wi-Fi can go holographic, which is included the altitude. Making the room scanning totally 3D, indicating the benefit for rescue op and privacy awareness in working areas.

However, it also raised some sensational concerns about public surveillance, and the risk of military purposes:

http://newatlas.com/wifi-router-hologra ... ion/49396/
http://gizmodo.com/scientists-are-turni ... 1794961990