The Elephant Vanishes : obvert (J) vs Historiker_SqzMyLemon_Canoerebel (A)

[obvert]

ORIGINAL: Mahrgell

ORIGINAL: obvert

Here is a recent info screen and one from four months before. He's caught up a bit.

End of July he still needed to gain ~71k VP to get an auto victory, end of November he needs ~79k.
As I believe avoiding/achieving an AV is the main goal in '45 for both sides, he is now farther away from that than he was 4 months ago.

So I wouldn't call it "He caught up a bit". I think you did extraordinarily well in pushing him back from his goal.
He needs more points to grind, has 4 months less time to do so, and your capabilities to resist him gaining the points he need have been barely touched.

I hadn't thought of it that way. Right. It's true that the more points I gain the harder it is for him to achieve auto-victory. So this attrition campaign is good for me in several ways as long as I can ride the line of staying competitive while trading a lot of material.

[Lowpe]

ORIGINAL: obvert

ORIGINAL: Mahrgell

ORIGINAL: obvert

Here is a recent info screen and one from four months before. He's caught up a bit.

End of July he still needed to gain ~71k VP to get an auto victory, end of November he needs ~79k.
As I believe avoiding/achieving an AV is the main goal in '45 for both sides, he is now farther away from that than he was 4 months ago.

So I wouldn't call it "He caught up a bit". I think you did extraordinarily well in pushing him back from his goal.
He needs more points to grind, has 4 months less time to do so, and your capabilities to resist him gaining the points he need have been barely touched.

I hadn't thought of it that way. Right. It's true that the more points I gain the harder it is for him to achieve auto-victory. So this attrition campaign is good for me in several ways as long as I can ride the line of staying competitive while trading a lot of material.

I am not sure what more you want....Allies landed I recall on June 6th with a kitchen sink attack, and here now almost Dec look at how little they have grown.[&o]

This AAR is becoming the textbook defense against the kitchen sink attack. The Allies are certainly making it more difficult by not cutting the oil and fuel flows to Honshu.

[obvert]

ORIGINAL: Lowpe

ORIGINAL: obvert

ORIGINAL: Mahrgell




End of July he still needed to gain ~71k VP to get an auto victory, end of November he needs ~79k.
As I believe avoiding/achieving an AV is the main goal in '45 for both sides, he is now farther away from that than he was 4 months ago.

So I wouldn't call it "He caught up a bit". I think you did extraordinarily well in pushing him back from his goal.
He needs more points to grind, has 4 months less time to do so, and your capabilities to resist him gaining the points he need have been barely touched.

I hadn't thought of it that way. Right. It's true that the more points I gain the harder it is for him to achieve auto-victory. So this attrition campaign is good for me in several ways as long as I can ride the line of staying competitive while trading a lot of material.

I am not sure what more you want....Allies landed I recall on June 6th with a kitchen sink attack, and here now almost Dec look at how little they have grown.[&o]

This AAR is becoming the textbook defense against the kitchen sink attack. The Allies are certainly making it more difficult by not cutting the oil and fuel flows to Honshu.

Shhhhhhh!! We don't talk about that here. Lalalalalala. Fuel? Never heard of that. Oil? Hmmmm. Do we use that? [:D]

I am not dissatisfied,. It's been really fun to play this game and Dan makes every turn a challenge. You ask what I want? Well, that's complicated! [;)]

Right now I want the next turn back as I tried something and hope I didn't do too much!

As of last turn 8 x Ki-83 rolled off the factory floor!! [&o]

[Chickenboy]

ORIGINAL: Mahrgell

End of July he still needed to gain ~71k VP to get an auto victory, end of November he needs ~79k.
As I believe avoiding/achieving an AV is the main goal in '45 for both sides, he is now farther away from that than he was 4 months ago.

So I wouldn't call it "He caught up a bit". I think you did extraordinarily well in pushing him back from his goal.
He needs more points to grind, has 4 months less time to do so, and your capabilities to resist him gaining the points he need have been barely touched.

I agree completely. He has to generate 79k in AV in less than 10 months or else he 'loses the war'. An excellent example of trading time for (meaningless) territory.

[obvert]

[font="Times New Roman"]Dec 7, 1944[/font]

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Three years of this campaign! What a ride!

The turn is relatively quiet. It does look like the DS has moved back. I've set some LBA strikes. I'll finally hit the undefended Toyohara fields. I expect to lose lot of planes to flak, but at 15k maybe the high experience pilots I'm using can make it worth it.

I've also set some strikes on Ketoi! We'll see how that goes. Could be trouble.

Not much happening but mig bombing runs at Uruppa. He even sent in the Helldivers! I hope tomorrow to catch some of those. [:)]
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Ground combat at Uruppu-jima (130,52)

Allied Bombardment attack

Attacking force 7975 troops, 248 guns, 241 vehicles, Assault Value = 2753

Defending force 48223 troops, 338 guns, 120 vehicles, Assault Value = 963

Japanese ground losses:
55 casualties reported
Squads: 1 destroyed, 5 disabled
Non Combat: 0 destroyed, 0 disabled
Engineers: 0 destroyed, 0 disabled

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[HansBolter]

ORIGINAL: Alfred

Always keep in mind that the Allied player must achieve an auto victory before 1 September 1945 in order to win the game decisively.  Getting there after 31 August 1945 means the absolute best he can achieve is a marginal victory and that constitutes in reality an "Allied defeat" as the Allied performance is far below par when assessed in historical terms.

Alfred

Alfred I'm disappointed.

We all know fully well nothing about a "game" wherein one side is artificially enhanced to 'make it viable to play" can be fairly compared to historical outcomes.

A marginal victory in the 'game' is a victory plain and simply.

The Japanese player can rightly thump his chest for his performance in holding the Allies to a mere marginal Victory, but he simply cannot claim a "win" unless the Allied side does indeed "lose" the game.

Who knows, maybe Dan won't even manage a marginal victory......then all the debate over nuance would be moot.

[obvert]

[font="Times New Roman"]Dec 8, 1944[/font]

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The strikes I set went in fairly unhindered on the 8th, but as I've seen so many times, neither th DBs nor the TBs can hit Allied destroyers it the late game. Kamis can, but I don't have those yet. So the many naval strikes of the day come away sinking a handful of YMS and maybe one old Dutch DD. The port strikes didn't fly against Ketoi, and so my sweeps there that got almost even results went in for nothing. Interestingly Dan chose this turn to begin working the fields at Simushiri-jima.

This brings up an interesting game quirk I've noticed. If I have an empty airfield and move planes in during a turn, the Allies will see an airfield occupied icon pop up before they give orders. I usually leave small FP group on all islands for just this reason. Guess which one I forgot to do this on this turn. Yep. Shimushiri-jima.

So this proves nothing other than that Dan is paying close attention to details. I'd expect nothing less, but I have to be more careful. [:)]

The strikes on Toyohara do moderately well, but most of the 2E are away. That's fine as I hit them with LR CAP over Uruppa anyway. Got a lot of Venturas again.

So all moves back after the turn and it's digging into the defence now for a bit. I've got to get some groups fleshed out now.

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AFTER ACTION REPORTS FOR Dec 8, 1944
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Morning Air attack on 31st Infantry Regiment, at 125,43 , near Shikuka

Weather in hex: Light rain

Raid spotted at 33 NM, estimated altitude 37,300 feet.
Estimated time to target is 9 minutes

Japanese aircraft
N1K2-J George x 35

Allied aircraft
P-38L Lightning x 11

Japanese aircraft losses
N1K2-J George: 1 destroyed

Allied aircraft losses
P-38L Lightning: 3 destroyed

Aircraft Attacking:
27 x N1K2-J George sweeping at 35300 feet

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Morning Air attack on TF, near Uruppu-jima at 130,52

Weather in hex: Heavy rain

Raid detected at 89 NM, estimated altitude 16,000 feet.
Estimated time to target is 24 minutes

Japanese aircraft
A6M8 Zero x 20
B7A2 Grace x 27
N1K2-J George x 25
N1K5-J George x 19
Ki-84a Frank x 28

Allied aircraft
F6F-3 Hellcat x 5

Japanese aircraft losses
A6M8 Zero: 1 destroyed
B7A2 Grace: 10 damaged
B7A2 Grace: 2 destroyed by flak

Allied aircraft losses
F6F-3 Hellcat: 1 destroyed

Allied Ships
DD Schroeder
DD De Haven II
DD Blue II

Aircraft Attacking:
14 x B7A2 Grace releasing from 2000'
Naval Attack: 2 x 250 kg SAP Bomb

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Morning Air attack on TF, near Uruppu-jima at 130,52

Weather in hex: Heavy rain

Raid detected at 117 NM, estimated altitude 12,000 feet.
Estimated time to target is 34 minutes

Japanese aircraft
A6M8 Zero x 18
D4Y3 Judy x 6
D4Y4 Judy x 26
N1K5-J George x 35

Japanese aircraft losses
D4Y3 Judy: 5 damaged
D4Y3 Judy: 1 destroyed by flak
D4Y4 Judy: 4 damaged
D4Y4 Judy: 1 destroyed by flak

Allied Ships
DD Maury
YMS-97, Bomb hits 2, and is sunk
DD Blue II
DD Gridley
DD Craven
DD De Haven II
DD Downes

Aircraft Attacking:
15 x D4Y4 Judy releasing from 1000'
Naval Attack: 1 x 800 kg AP Bomb

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Morning Air attack on TF, near Uruppu-jima at 130,52

Weather in hex: Heavy rain

Raid detected at 38 NM, estimated altitude 7,000 feet.
Estimated time to target is 11 minutes

Japanese aircraft
P1Y2 Frances x 13

Japanese aircraft losses
P1Y2 Frances: 11 damaged

Allied Ships
DD Abner Read
DD Prichett
DD Pringle

Aircraft Attacking:
13 x P1Y2 Frances launching torpedoes at 200 feet
Naval Attack: 1 x 18in Type 91 Torpedo

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Morning Air attack on TF, near Uruppu-jima at 130,52

Weather in hex: Heavy rain

Raid detected at 100 NM, estimated altitude 13,000 feet.
Estimated time to target is 33 minutes

Japanese aircraft
A6M8 Zero x 19
D4Y3 Judy x 20
N1K5-J George x 35

Japanese aircraft losses
D4Y3 Judy: 1 damaged
D4Y3 Judy: 1 destroyed by flak

Allied Ships
DD Van Galen, Bomb hits 1, on fire
DD Tjerk Hiddes

Aircraft Attacking:
9 x D4Y3 Judy releasing from 1000'
Naval Attack: 1 x 500 kg GP Bomb

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Morning Air attack on TF, near Etorofu at 129,52

Weather in hex: Severe storms

Raid detected at 37 NM, estimated altitude 17,000 feet.
Estimated time to target is 12 minutes

Japanese aircraft
A6M8 Zero x 50
D4Y3 Judy x 30

No Japanese losses

Allied Ships
YMS-136, Bomb hits 1, and is sunk
YMS-102, Bomb hits 1, and is sunk
YMS-135

Aircraft Attacking:
7 x D4Y3 Judy releasing from 2000'
Naval Attack: 1 x 500 kg SAP Bomb

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Morning Air attack on TF, near Uruppu-jima at 130,52

Weather in hex: Heavy rain

Raid detected at 40 NM, estimated altitude 4,000 feet.
Estimated time to target is 12 minutes

Japanese aircraft
P1Y2 Frances x 29

Japanese aircraft losses
P1Y2 Frances: 23 damaged
P1Y2 Frances: 2 destroyed by flak

Allied Ships
DD Blue II
DD Schroeder
DD Wickes
DD De Haven II
DD Dyson

Aircraft Attacking:
28 x P1Y2 Frances launching torpedoes at 200 feet
Naval Attack: 1 x 18in Type 91 Torpedo

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Morning Air attack on Ketoi-jima , at 134,50

Weather in hex: Heavy rain

Raid detected at 143 NM, estimated altitude 40,910 feet.
Estimated time to target is 42 minutes

Japanese aircraft
J2M5 Jack x 51
N1K1-J George x 9

Allied aircraft
P-38L Lightning x 8
P-47D25 Thunderbolt x 11
P-51D Mustang x 5
F4U-1D Corsair x 35
F6F-3 Hellcat x 11
F6F-5 Hellcat x 54

Japanese aircraft losses
J2M5 Jack: 10 destroyed

Allied aircraft losses
F4U-1D Corsair: 1 destroyed
F6F-5 Hellcat: 7 destroyed

Aircraft Attacking:
1 x J2M5 Jack sweeping at 36910 feet

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Morning Air attack on Toyohara , at 124,46

Weather in hex: Severe storms

Raid detected at 154 NM, estimated altitude 18,000 feet.
Estimated time to target is 42 minutes

Japanese aircraft
Ki-67-Ia (T) Peggy x 88

Allied aircraft
no flights

Japanese aircraft losses
Ki-67-Ia (T) Peggy: 11 damaged
Ki-67-Ia (T) Peggy: 3 destroyed by flak

Allied aircraft losses
SB2C-3 Helldiver: 16 damaged
SB2C-3 Helldiver: 1 destroyed on ground
TBM-1C Avenger: 11 damaged
TBM-1C Avenger: 2 destroyed on ground
PBY-5 Catalina: 6 damaged
PBY-5 Catalina: 1 destroyed on ground
PBY-5A Catalina: 1 destroyed on ground
PV-1 Ventura: 2 damaged
PV-1 Ventura: 1 destroyed on ground
B-25H Mitchell: 2 damaged
F-5E Lightning: 1 damaged

Airbase hits 8
Runway hits 25

Aircraft Attacking:
24 x Ki-67-Ia (T) Peggy bombing from 15000 feet
Airfield Attack: 2 x 250 kg GP Bomb, 4 x 60 kg GP Bomb

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Morning Air attack on Ketoi-jima , at 134,50

Weather in hex: Heavy rain

Raid detected at 117 NM, estimated altitude 44,270 feet.
Estimated time to target is 29 minutes

Japanese aircraft
N1K1-J George x 9
Ki-84r Frank x 27

Allied aircraft
P-38L Lightning x 8
P-47D25 Thunderbolt x 11
P-51D Mustang x 5
F4U-1D Corsair x 23
F6F-3 Hellcat x 10
F6F-5 Hellcat x 34

Japanese aircraft losses
Ki-84r Frank: 5 destroyed

Allied aircraft losses
F6F-3 Hellcat: 1 destroyed
F6F-5 Hellcat: 3 destroyed

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Morning Air attack on Toyohara , at 124,46

Weather in hex: Severe storms

Raid detected at 154 NM, estimated altitude 18,000 feet.
Estimated time to target is 48 minutes

Japanese aircraft
Ki-49-IIa Helen x 27
Ki-67-Ia (T) Peggy x 52

Allied aircraft
no flights

Japanese aircraft losses
Ki-49-IIa Helen: 10 damaged
Ki-49-IIa Helen: 1 destroyed by flak
Ki-67-Ia (T) Peggy: 11 damaged
Ki-67-Ia (T) Peggy: 2 destroyed by flak

Allied aircraft losses
F-13 Superfortress: 5 damaged
PBY-5A Catalina: 4 damaged
PBY-5A Catalina: 1 destroyed on ground
F-5E Lightning: 11 damaged
SB2C-3 Helldiver: 1 damaged
SB2C-3 Helldiver: 1 destroyed on ground
TBM-1C Avenger: 7 damaged
PBJ-1D Mitchell: 1 damaged
PBY-5 Catalina: 2 damaged

Allied ground losses:
8 casualties reported
Squads: 0 destroyed, 0 disabled
Non Combat: 0 destroyed, 1 disabled
Engineers: 0 destroyed, 0 disabled

Airbase hits 4
Airbase supply hits 1
Runway hits 21

Aircraft Attacking:
25 x Ki-49-IIa Helen bombing from 15000 feet
Airfield Attack: 4 x 250 kg GP Bomb

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Morning Air attack on Toyohara , at 124,46

Weather in hex: Severe storms

Raid detected at 147 NM, estimated altitude 16,000 feet.
Estimated time to target is 40 minutes

Japanese aircraft
Ki-44-IIc Tojo x 22
Ki-67-Ia (T) Peggy x 27

Allied aircraft
no flights

Japanese aircraft losses
Ki-67-Ia (T) Peggy: 7 damaged
Ki-67-Ia (T) Peggy: 1 destroyed by flak

Allied aircraft losses
TBM-1C Avenger: 14 damaged
TBM-1C Avenger: 2 destroyed on ground
PBY-5 Catalina: 3 damaged

Airbase hits 5
Runway hits 11

Aircraft Attacking:
27 x Ki-67-Ia (T) Peggy bombing from 15000 feet
Airfield Attack: 2 x 250 kg GP Bomb, 4 x 60 kg GP Bomb

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Morning Air attack on Shimushiri-jima , at 132,51

Weather in hex: Partial cloud

Raid detected at 72 NM, estimated altitude 43,300 feet.
Estimated time to target is 27 minutes

Japanese aircraft
A6M8 Zero x 12
J2M5 Jack x 4
N1K1-J George x 7
Ki-43-IV Oscar x 14

Allied aircraft
F4U-1D Corsair x 25

Japanese aircraft losses
A6M8 Zero: 5 destroyed
N1K1-J George: 2 destroyed
Ki-43-IV Oscar: 4 destroyed

Allied aircraft losses
F4U-1D Corsair: 2 destroyed

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Morning Air attack on Uruppu-jima , at 130,52

Weather in hex: Heavy rain

Raid detected at 58 NM, estimated altitude 10,000 feet.
Estimated time to target is 23 minutes

Japanese aircraft
N1K5-J George x 19
Ki-84a Frank x 16

Allied aircraft
PV-1 Ventura x 55

Japanese aircraft losses
Ki-84a Frank: 16 damaged
Ki-84a Frank: 2 destroyed on ground

Allied aircraft losses
PV-1 Ventura: 4 destroyed, 7 damaged

Japanese ground losses:
10 casualties reported
Squads: 0 destroyed, 0 disabled
Non Combat: 0 destroyed, 1 disabled
Engineers: 0 destroyed, 0 disabled

Airbase hits 10
Airbase supply hits 4
Runway hits 40

Aircraft Attacking:
10 x PV-1 Ventura bombing from 5000 feet
Airfield Attack: 6 x 500 lb GP Bomb

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Morning Air attack on Shimushiri-jima , at 132,51

Weather in hex: Partial cloud

Raid detected at 78 NM, estimated altitude 12,000 feet.
Estimated time to target is 26 minutes

Japanese aircraft
J2M5 Jack x 1

Allied aircraft
B-24J Liberator x 48
B-29-1 Superfort x 14
B-29-25 Superfort x 19
P-47D25 Thunderbolt x 31
PB4Y-1 Liberator x 15

Japanese aircraft losses
J2M5 Jack: 1 destroyed
J2M5 Jack: 5 destroyed on ground
A6M8 Zero: 3 destroyed on ground
Ki-84r Frank: 3 destroyed on ground
Ki-43-IV Oscar: 1 destroyed on ground

Allied aircraft losses
B-24J Liberator: 14 damaged
B-29-1 Superfort: 7 damaged
B-29-25 Superfort: 2 damaged
PB4Y-1 Liberator: 4 damaged

Japanese ground losses:
45 casualties reported
Squads: 0 destroyed, 1 disabled
Non Combat: 0 destroyed, 4 disabled
Engineers: 0 destroyed, 0 disabled

Airbase hits 12
Airbase supply hits 11
Runway hits 47

Aircraft Attacking:
6 x PB4Y-1 Liberator bombing from 10000 feet
Airfield Attack: 10 x 500 lb GP Bomb

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Morning Air attack on Uruppu-jima , at 130,52

Weather in hex: Heavy rain

Raid detected at 39 NM, estimated altitude 5,000 feet.
Estimated time to target is 15 minutes

Japanese aircraft
N1K5-J George x 11
Ki-84a Frank x 1

Allied aircraft
PV-1 Ventura x 14

No Japanese losses

Allied aircraft losses
PV-1 Ventura: 9 destroyed

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Morning Air attack on Uruppu-jima , at 130,52

Weather in hex: Heavy rain

Raid detected at 51 NM, estimated altitude 11,000 feet.
Estimated time to target is 15 minutes

Japanese aircraft
N1K5-J George x 6
Ki-84a Frank x 1

Allied aircraft
B-25H Mitchell x 9

No Japanese losses

Allied aircraft losses
B-25H Mitchell: 6 destroyed

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Morning Air attack on Uruppu-jima , at 130,52

Weather in hex: Heavy rain

Raid detected at 80 NM, estimated altitude 8,000 feet.
Estimated time to target is 24 minutes

Japanese aircraft
N1K5-J George x 4
Ki-84a Frank x 1

Allied aircraft
B-25H Mitchell x 6

No Japanese losses

Allied aircraft losses
B-25H Mitchell: 3 destroyed, 2 damaged

Runway hits 2

Aircraft Attacking:
1 x B-25H Mitchell bombing and strafing from low level
Airfield Attack: 1 plane(s) with no ordnance

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Ground combat at Uruppu-jima (130,52)

Allied Bombardment attack

Attacking force 4425 troops, 214 guns, 197 vehicles, Assault Value = 2792

Defending force 48400 troops, 338 guns, 120 vehicles, Assault Value = 973

Japanese ground losses:
94 casualties reported
Squads: 2 destroyed, 4 disabled
Non Combat: 0 destroyed, 1 disabled
Engineers: 0 destroyed, 0 disabled

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[Anachro]

How close would he have to be for kamikaze's to activate? I'd imagine he knows and will not want to let that happen until he in a position to smother your airfields in the Kuriles and Hokkaido to minimize potential attacks from different vectors.

[obvert]

ORIGINAL: Anachro

How close would he have to be for kamikaze's to activate? I'd imagine he knows and will not want to let that happen until he in a position to smother your airfields in the Kuriles and Hokkaido to minimize potential attacks from different vectors.

Kamis activate only very close to Hokkaido unfortunately. I think the inner two islands, Kunashiri and Shikotan, plus I think Etorofu, are inside the kami activation zone.

Strangely, I think at least two home island bases, Maizuru and Kanazawa, are also outside the zone unless there is a special rule about bases with the 100 code also activating kamis. )Maybe a couple more actually depending how the count is taken from Tokyo (21 hexes IIRC, but does it count actual movement through the straits which has a jog in it or just the hexes by sea?)

Anyway. No kamis for a while.

[adarbrauner]

that was what, 150 between torpedo bombers and dive bombers, and no hit on the ships(DDs)?

Never saw and never heard anything like that; don't think their high AA can explain this; Idaho and escorts did have also high AA;

hope this is an isolated case only...

that burns but;

[obvert]

ORIGINAL: adarbrauner

that was what, 150 between torpedo bombers and dive bombers, and no hit on the ships(DDs)?

Never saw and never heard anything like that; don't think their high AA can explain this; Idaho and escorts did have also high AA;

hope this is an isolated case only...

that burns but;

It's late war Allied flak on Destroyers. I've seen a lot of similar things in 44-45. Destroyers are highly maneuverble, have good flak ratings and are very fast when not tied to larger ships. Very hard to hit without kamis.

[adarbrauner]

Yes, this I get, but still the numbers brought against them were such that the ensuing results make wonder.

[Chickenboy]

ORIGINAL: adarbrauner

Yes, this I get, but still the numbers brought against them were such that the ensuing results make wonder.

Getting that first hit on them is difficult. Thereafter, as their speed and maneuverability decreases (due to damage), they are significantly easier to score on.

[obvert]

ORIGINAL: Chickenboy

ORIGINAL: adarbrauner

Yes, this I get, but still the numbers brought against them were such that the ensuing results make wonder.

Getting that first hit on them is difficult. Thereafter, as their speed and maneuverability decreases (due to damage), they are significantly easier to score on.

Exactly. I tried using the Grace as DB for this reason, since it has 2 x 250kg and thus is more accurate than any other plane in the arsenal. No luck this time, but it's worked before, so I'll keep trying periodically.

[modrow]

ORIGINAL: obvert
Exactly. I tried using the Grace as DB for this reason, since it has 2 x 250kg and thus is more accurate than any other plane in the arsenal. No luck this time, but it's worked before, so I'll keep trying periodically.

Obvert,

could you please elaborate on the passage marked in red? Is it supposed to imply if a plane has a number of N bombs to spend, hit probability is higher than if N planes drop one bomb each? Or is it just that the plane (or rather group of planes) has picked the target, so it is guaranteed that all bombs of this plane are used on this target, whereas N planes may pick different targets?

In this context, my suspicion is that target selection is determined in a first step of the raid execution. This is motiviated by my impression that sometimes ships are attacked which have already been sunk, but I may be wrong. Any comment is appreciated.

Thanks in advance

Hartwig

[obvert]

ORIGINAL: modrow

ORIGINAL: obvert
Exactly. I tried using the Grace as DB for this reason, since it has 2 x 250kg and thus is more accurate than any other plane in the arsenal. No luck this time, but it's worked before, so I'll keep trying periodically.

Obvert,

could you please elaborate on the passage marked in red? Is it supposed to imply if a plane has a number of N bombs to spend, hit probability is higher than if N planes drop one bomb each? Or is it just that the plane (or rather group of planes) has picked the target, so it is guaranteed that all bombs of this plane are used on this target, whereas N planes may pick different targets?

In this context, my suspicion is that target selection is determined in a first step of the raid execution. This is motiviated by my impression that sometimes ships are attacked which have already been sunk, but I may be wrong. Any comment is appreciated.

Thanks in advance

Hartwig

This is just referring to the Grace as being a fast, agile DB with two bombs. So this plane has a higher chance of getting to target than others I can field due to its combination of speed and maneuverability to get to target, plus it drops two bombs instead of one in a DB attack, which is more accurate than level bombing.

I don't think ships are attacked which have already been sunk. Sinking condition, yes, but not actually sunk. Often there is a message that appears during a turn when a ship is not attacked which just says _______ is sunk.

[modrow]

ORIGINAL: obvert

This is just referring to the Grace as being a fast, agile DB with two bombs. So this plane has a higher chance of getting to target than others I can field due to its combination of speed and maneuverability to get to target, plus it drops two bombs instead of one in a DB attack, which is more accurate than level bombing.

I don't think ships are attacked which have already been sunk. Sinking condition, yes, but not actually sunk. Often there is a message that appears during a turn when a ship is not attacked which just says _______ is sunk.

Thanks for the clarification.

What I refer to is not the ... is sunk message in the combat report. But I think I recall seeing sometimes during the replay planes are attacking empty sea without a ship being displayed if said ship has been attacked previously. I'll try to get a screenshot next time I see it (happens only occasionally though).

Hartwig

[obvert]

ORIGINAL: modrow

ORIGINAL: obvert

This is just referring to the Grace as being a fast, agile DB with two bombs. So this plane has a higher chance of getting to target than others I can field due to its combination of speed and maneuverability to get to target, plus it drops two bombs instead of one in a DB attack, which is more accurate than level bombing.

I don't think ships are attacked which have already been sunk. Sinking condition, yes, but not actually sunk. Often there is a message that appears during a turn when a ship is not attacked which just says _______ is sunk.

Thanks for the clarification.

What I refer to is not the ... is sunk message in the combat report. But I think I recall seeing sometimes during the replay planes are attacking empty sea without a ship being displayed if said ship has been attacked previously. I'll try to get a screenshot next time I see it (happens only occasionally though).

Hartwig

Yeah, right, if there are no more ships present as they sunk in the middle of the strike this can happen.

[GetAssista]

ORIGINAL: modrow
What I refer to is not the ... is sunk message in the combat report. But I think I recall seeing sometimes during the replay planes are attacking empty sea without a ship being displayed if said ship has been attacked previously. I'll try to get a screenshot next time I see it (happens only occasionally though).

It happens when a TF bombed in the morning phase does not live long enough to see the afternoon phase attack. I believe whole TF should be sunk for your planes to arrive at empty sea and not pick other targets. Otherwise planes attack other ships in the TF

[USSAmerica]

If I have an empty airfield and move planes in during a turn, the Allies will see an airfield occupied icon pop up before they give orders.

Hey obvert, I thought this free Allied intel was corrected in one of the official patches. Are you sure it is still happening? I had written this off as a concern a long time ago and maybe I need to pay more attention to it again. [:D]