The Sky’s the Limit- PBEM GC 41 jubjub (Axis) vs. M60A3TTS (Soviet)

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Re: The Sky’s the Limit- PBEM GC 41 jubjub (Axis) vs. M60A3TTS (Soviet)

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Week 53 21 June 1942

VVS ground attacks generate Axis losses of 8,141 men, 117 guns and 16 AFVs. Almost 3,700 of these losses are in the Stalingrad area of operations. 4,928 fighter and 5,493 bomber sorties are conducted, resulting in the loss of 108 FFBs and 172 IL-2s. 55 of 68 IL-2 regiments are sent out, making this what amounts to a maximum effort by the tactical air component of the VVS.

LIX Corps under Ferdinand Schoerner launches their assault on Leningrad proper. The date is 22 June 1942, the one year anniversary since the invasion of the Soviet Union began. On orders from Berlin, Schoerner reserves the fire of the heaviest guns including the pair of 600mm Karl mortars and 15 Skoda 305mm howitzers onto the Winter Palace. The treasures once held inside have long since been evacuated. The building which served as the official residence of the Romanov emperors for 185 years is smashed to rubble. While this action may delight the crowd in Berlin, no small number of Schoerner’s landsers are furious. They are the ones who need artillery support in subduing Soviet resistance and this senseless fireworks show as they call it, accomplishes next to nothing. Not a single rifle squad is destroyed by some of the heaviest guns of the Wehrmacht, and even the venerable 210mm howitzers have no success in destroying the defenders. Moreover, the soldiers of the Red Army stand their ground, inflicting a shocking amount of return fire on the Germans in close street fighting. Half the German assaulting infantry squads of six divisions are pinned down, then driven back. Although only a small fraction of these squads are destroyed outright, a full one quarter are at least temporarily out of action. Roughly the same portion of MG34 crews suffer a similar fate. Over half of the 372 pionier squads are similarly now out of action, and roughly a third of their light 50mm mortars.

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Following the battle, General Gerasimenko reports on the state of the rifle divisions defending Leningrad under 4th Shock Army and 55th Army (where noted)

There are approximately 115,000 troops and 2,346 guns defending Leningrad and our naval base at Kronstadt.

A total of 33,668 troops in the rifle units remain fit for duty as follows:
115th Rifle Division of 55th Army =6,094.
47th Rifle Brigade attached to 115th Rifle Division =619.
118th Rifle Division =4,538
121st Rifle Division =3,760
145th Rifle Division =3,501
295th Rifle Division =2,852
298th Rifle Division =2,204
301st Rifle Division of 55th Army =4,797.
337th Rifle Division =1,815.
23rd Guards Rifle Division =1,195.
4th Naval Infantry Brigade assigned to 4th Army =2,294

Leningrad Coastal Artillery Division has 23 coastal guns of various calibers still operational. 5 are out of action.

Support Units
11th Mortar Battalion 17 functional 120mm mortars
12th Mortar Battalion 10 functional 120mm mortars
14th Mortar Battalion 7 functional 120mm mortars
21st Mortar Battalion 7 functional 120mm mortars
22nd Mortar Battalion 12 functional 120mm mortars

The enemy opposes us by a greater than 3-1 advantage in terms of operational forces. Still, Leningrad holds out.

Meanwhile, to the east, LI-2 transports at Podborovye, Syasstroy and Tikhvin along with U-2s from Volkhov continue to run the gauntlet of German fighters on their way to Leningrad. They are escorted by LaGGs and Yaks from the 45th, 162nd and 179th Fighter Regiments. A total of 663 tons of vital supplies reach the Leningrad defenders with the loss of 20 transports and 1 fighter.


At Orel, troops from Zhukov’s Central Front and Meretskov’s Bryansk Front fight their way to the outskirts of the city. The cost of every meter gained is extremely heavy, even with the best troops and leadership. Then the inevitable German counterattack extracts more blood still. It is a terrible business, but none is better suited for it than Zhukov.

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Battles in the Donets region intensify as Vietinghoff’s XXXXVI Motorized Corps supports attacks by Rendulic’s II Corps and von Both’s 1st Corps driving to the north with a further assist from Steflea’s 1st Rumanian Corps. Fortunately a good number of the defending units are screening cavalry divisions that for the most part are able to fall back in good order.

Outside Stalingrad, the German 11th Infantry Division is pushed back from the city gates following heavy air attacks by 4th Air Army.

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In the Central Caucasus, Grozny falls. Defending Soviet troops withdraw to the east once more to make a final stand in the mountains of the Daghestan Region by Makhachkala. Here, the city is turned into a fortress by soldiers from Marshal Grigory Kulik’s North Caucasus Front. There will be no retreat here, nor at Stalingrad. Stalin’s General Order 227 goes into immediate effect. Not one step back!

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In the Central Caucasus, Grozny falls. Defending Soviet troops withdraw to the east once more to make a final stand in the mountains of the Daghestan Region by Makhachkala. Here, the city is turned into a fortress by soldiers from Marshal Grigory Kulik’s North Caucasus Front. There will be no retreat here, nor at Stalingrad. Stalin’s General Order 227 goes into immediate effect. Not one step back!


Just wondering are you planning to have NKVD units stationed behind your regular army units to make certain the troops obey Comrade Stalin's order to the letter :D



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tm1 wrote: Tue Aug 27, 2024 4:17 am In the Central Caucasus, Grozny falls. Defending Soviet troops withdraw to the east once more to make a final stand in the mountains of the Daghestan Region by Makhachkala. Here, the city is turned into a fortress by soldiers from Marshal Grigory Kulik’s North Caucasus Front. There will be no retreat here, nor at Stalingrad. Stalin’s General Order 227 goes into immediate effect. Not one step back!


Just wondering are you planning to have NKVD units stationed behind your regular army units to make certain the troops obey Comrade Stalin's order to the letter :D



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RKhan wrote: Tue Aug 20, 2024 1:30 pm I note that the Axis are still doing well on the ground.
You are entirely correct. There are limits to how much Soviet air power can influence events on the ground.
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Continuation of Week 53 21 June 1942

This is the situation of the VVS fighter arm across all theaters.

A total of 262 fighter regiments exist across the VVS.

151 on map of which 31 are I-type fighters of the Strategic Pilot Reserve. This leaves effectively 120 active fighter regiments on map that could fully equip 24 fighter divisions, plus another 6 from the Soviet reserves.
36 Far East
30 Northern
15 Transcaucasus
30 Soviet Reserves

This is the breakdown of all fighter and fighter bomber regiments of the VVS (from the Production screen) minus the I-Types that have no planned use for active combat operations.

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The only two pure fighter types, the MiG-3 and P-40C of 15 regiments are being phased out gradually since their production stopped some time ago. The poor speed capability of the MiG-3 at low altitude means it has very limited IL-2 escort value. It is possible these aircraft may not see upgrades until 1943.

70 regiments are equipped with Yakovlev fighters, with the Yak-7B to gradually assume more of the IL-2 escort assignments. The next Yakovlev upgrade, Yak-1B, will not see assignments until November.

LaGG-3 and the slightly upgraded but equally under-powered and overweight Series 11 have the largest allocation, with 78 regiments. These will eventually need a complete replacement prior to the next summer campaign. The arrival of Lavochkin's newest aircraft, currently in development, La-5 should begin to see service in August.

Hurricane II's are in 40 regiments and are essentially obsolete by 1942 standards. They are no longer fighting against Bf-109E models as they did in the Battle of Britain in 1940, but now face off against the G (Gustav) series and Focke-Wulf 190 series. Also the Hurricane's poor speed at low altitude mean they are wholly inadequate as IL-2 escorts and would be put to better use in other theaters.

American Lease Lend P-39s and 40s are currently available in such small numbers as to not be able to equip even two full fighter divisions.
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Here are a list of leading Soviet fighter pilots with credited kills. A total of 11 qualified as Soviet aces with a minimum of 5 kills, although only 3 pilots currently remain on active service. It is worth noting only one pilot appears on this list with an experience level under 60.

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In some of the most recent weeks the VVS suffered particularly high losses.

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As high as these numbers were, with substantial aircraft production combined with deep aircraft reserves, the ability to absorb severe losses within the VVS is clearly evident as long as it was not over an extended period of many weeks. The various types lost among fighters and tactical bombers could be made good, while level bomber losses only exceeded production during a single week. Only in recon aircraft could the numbers not easily been made whole.
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Pilots

Here is how the VVS has managed the supply of pilots through the system.

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The VVS has trained 5,000 pilots through flight school training in 1942. Total pilot losses have amounted to 4,047 for the year. The Strategic Pilot Reserve having released an additional 707 pilots in order to help keep fighter unit experience levels from falling too low means that we now have more pilots than ever before and an even larger pool awaiting deployment orders.
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I hope you don't mind as you are my go to person for all things Soviet at the moment

1. Out of curiosity Free pilots, when assigned, come without fatigue and Trained come with fatigue? Can you confirm this and does fatigue matter anyway?

2. Support units directly assigned to the Moscow MD never gain CPP. Any idea why this occurs? Easy work around is to place them in a HQ assigned to MMD

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You are correct about fatigue being added for trained but not free pool pilots.

Pilots can fly on the same turn that they are assigned, so newly trained and assigned pilots can have to deal with fatigue. Fatigue is supposed to lead to increased rates of aircraft loss. But, fatigue also burns off after an air or ground phase. So assign them in the air phase, don't use them during the air phase, and by the ground phase the fatigue is gone, at least until they fly. That will cut down on any potential additional losses. Or just assign the added pilots at end of turn. Same deal.

I was unaware about the MMD support unit thing but did verify it exists. You should open a ticket on that one.
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Week 54 28 June 1942

This week, VVS ground attacks generate Axis losses of 3,759 men, 63 guns and 10 AFVs. 102 FFBs and 167 IL-2s are lost, having flown 3,315 and 3,813 sorties respectively.

Orel-Kursk air ops

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Stalingrad air ops

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With the loss of Leningrad expected at any moment, a new plan is drawn up to not only replace the rifle divisions to be lost in this battle, but to raise additional units. 9 rifle divisions and 2 brigades remain in Leningrad.

What may well be the final supply runs are made to Leningrad with 571 tons of freight delivered. The cost for the delivery is 83 fighters, 13 transports, and a single TB-3 bomber.
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Week 55 5 July 1942

The final battle for Leningrad dominates this first week of July to the point where it is the only ground action by either side. The crushing weight of numbers in terms of operational equipment decides the outcome. 4th Shock Army surrenders with the loss of 111,565 men and 1,438 guns. A total of 3,245 men and 27 artillery pieces would make it back to friendly lines.

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Losses
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This week's VVS ground attacks generated Axis losses of 5,099 men, 98 guns and 7 AFVs. 117 FFBs and 184 IL-2s were lost.

51 of 67 IL-2 regiments participated (76%) in the week's operations.

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The Red Army now truly has reached the point where it cannot allow a single enemy breakthough to succeed. Marshal Budyonny as Chief of the General Staff has before him a requirement to make good the losses at Leningrad as well as strengthen the ground reserves.

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A stirring and well-written tribute to the noble but doomed Leningrad defenders. David Glantz would be proud!
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M60A3TTS wrote: Thu Sep 12, 2024 3:36 am Week 55 5 July 1942

The final battle for Leningrad dominates this first week of July to the point where it is the only ground action by either side.
10 units (in fort) +2 outside (potential numbers) the fort is a bit beyond absurd.
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Here is how aircraft are distributed among the various Theater Boxes. The on-map I-16 Type 24s are all used for the benefit of the Strategic Pilot Reserve, so they can be generally discounted.

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I did want to mention one thing about the information on losses to Axis forces during the air phase which I have reported on.

There are two different sources of information available. One is from the air losses screen. It was from this that I provided stats on this week's results.

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There is also a series of .dat files that can be downloaded using the export button on the Commander's Report. One of these files is Battle-Ground. By opening that file in Excel and applying data filters, you can auto-sum the data to account for enemy losses of men, artillery and AFVs.

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You can see that the numbers don't match exactly, and so there seem to be some casualties that do not appear on the .dat file as the air loss screen seems to often reflect a higher loss count. Perhaps the additional ground losses that appear on the loss screen are generated after the air phase. Can't say for sure.
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Week 56 12 July 1942

With the loss of Leningrad, the Soviet Union stands on the edge of defeat. The Caucasus have been cut off from the rest of the country, except for the sea route through the Caspian. The Red Army now focuses attention to the south, at Stalingrad.

The Don Front under Marshal Boris Shaposhnikov with 300,000 men holds the line west of the city with 38th, 40th, 43rd and 3rd Tank Army aided by 44th and 60th Armies of the Stavka. The Stalingrad Front under Marshal Kliment Voroshilov with almost 550,000 men, consisting of 18th, 32nd, 62nd, 64th and 3rd Shock Armies defend the city and it's extended positions along the Volga.

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Transcaucasus Front under Yakov Cherevichenko provides 28th and 54th Armies, a force of 175,000 men to guard the eastern bank of the Volga although they are stretched out to the extent that they are confined to defensive operations only. Rumanian cavalry has been spotted in this area only 50 miles from Astrakhan.

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Fighting at Stalingrad begins with an attack in the southern part of the city defended by Andrei Grechko's 18th Army.

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Two counterattacks led by 3rd Shock Army which had been transferred from Zhukov's Central Front see success in one battle, and defeat in the other.

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In Moscow, Marshal Budyonny remains diligently focused on what is labelled Operation Borodino, an organizational effort to strengthen the Red Army in the field. He has also been directed by Stalin to recall Generals Zhukov and Vasilevsky to Moscow in order to draw up definitive plans for offensive operations in conjunction with Borodino.
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Week 56 Air Operations

7th Ground Attack Corps, consisting of the 206th and 267 ShADs is activated and assigned to 5th Air Army of the North Caucasus Front. A total of 71 regiments of IL-2s are on the map in 14 ground attack divisions.

1st Night Attack Corps of 200 U2-VS aircraft is assigned to 4th Air Army.

VVS ground attacks generate Axis losses of 4,885 men and 67 guns. 11 FFBs and 14 IL-2s are lost. 2,829 bomber sorties were launched accompanied by 1,531 fighter sorties. 27 IL-2 regiments participated in ground attacks this week.

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Axis air operations were comparatively limited.

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Strategic Pilot Reserve 1981 pilots. It was 2756 at the start of the year. So we have used about 28% of the reserve thus far.

Long Range Air Command is assembling to add it's weight to the war efforts.

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M60A3TTS wrote: Wed Sep 25, 2024 1:46 am Week 56 Air Operations

VVS ground attacks generate Axis losses of 4,885 men and 67 guns. 11 FFBs and 14 IL-2s are lost. 2,829 bomber sorties were launched accompanied by 1,531 fighter sorties. 27 IL-2 regiments participated in ground attacks this week.

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Very impressive and much better result than Turn 48 when over 400 IL-2's were lost.

Did your sorties encounter fewer interceptors or did you change up something else? Please publish the CR Battle report for your phase and a few individual battles.

Looking forward to seeing how best to employ the Long-Range bombers. Have you ever tried using escorts with them?

Thanks again and I hope you can hold on until 1943 when the VVS will be on better footing!
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Shupov wrote: Wed Sep 25, 2024 3:29 pm Did your sorties encounter fewer interceptors or did you change up something else? Please publish the CR Battle report for your phase and a few individual battles.

Looking forward to seeing how best to employ the Long-Range bombers. Have you ever tried using escorts with them?

Thanks again and I hope you can hold on until 1943 when the VVS will be on better footing!

The interceptions haven't changed much from previous turns.

Long Range Air Command gets the same escort as everyone else. They just haven't been particularly "long" range.

Here are a few battles:

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