Andy Mac v PZB ....The Allies Fight Back

[Andy Mac]

Troops have landed in India I expect Yanam to fall tomorrow more to follow after I get the turn !!!
 
5 Essex Class released by yard dogs in total 65 warships moving to Marcus I am going to deal with the AF on Iwo once and for all !!!!

[Andy Mac]

Not a lot to say to be honest Monterey and Formidable sank I was to cocky and took Iwo to lightly well no more this time I will finish em off !!!!
 
Forces are prepping operations are under way the allied juggernaught will be back !!!!
 
I need to reorganise and turn to logistics for a little while.
 
Andy

[Andy Mac]

The paratroopers at the moutain hex in my rear have totally screwed my plans - as they are Japanese getting rid of them is difficult and my forces moving at 7 miles per day in the mountains cannot redeploy quickly enough - this is costing me weeks I dont have it is very frustrating.
 
No supplies get to Clark so my all out drive to get to the non malaria base has been a waste of time 
I think its time to send a message to PZB to prevent it happening again.
 
I am thinking non base paratrooper landings by all four para Bdes outside of Bombay with perhaps a Bn in the most inconvenient transport nexus in India just to mess with his unit pathing.

[Andy Mac]

OK things have moved on...

1. A raid on Calcutta destroyed sereral shindens (oh crap !!!) PZB has been dammed lucky with his advancement rolls.

2. A carrier TF heading NW for a speed run on Karachi port ended up in the middle of a troops convoy [:D] [:D] I am trying to make PZB paranoid about allied sig int but the truth is it waqs a total fluke. I hadn't spotted them or had any significant intel in days - this I like !!!

3. Yanam is going to take a while to develop. After the initial unload the transports will perform 1 trip between VP/Andaman where they will ferry in 11th Ariborne Div and various Seabees I will then take my tinme to build up - I want PZB to redeploy to stop me because then I will hook him by sea !!!

4. Japanese paratroopers have all been removed from my rear allowing supplies to flow.

5. A secondary landing at San Marcelino has been cancelled I have plans for that Division.

6. 2 Corps are asembling at Camranh Bay and transports are moving I think I need to move on either Formosa or another base in fighter range of the HI soon.

7. A heavy Superfort raid against Gumma caused significant damage to the aircraft factories it was risky and suffered 12% attrition but I think it was worthwhile - from now on Superforts will operate purely in strategic mode from 3 bases by night against the HI - Hue, Wake and Appari.

Wake based BG's will concentrate on Tokyo
Appari based BG's will concentrate on Gumma
Hue based BG's will concentrate on Hiroshima

Only one question remains Nukes where toi use them the 393rd is available and nukes are coming on stream where and when do I use them....

Overall not a bad few days

[castor troy]

ORIGINAL: Andy Mac


Only one question remains Nukes where toi use them the 393rd is available and nukes are coming on stream where and when do I use them....

same as with your other heavy bombers! Use them against the bases with the biggest Shinden / Reppu factory. Those two planes are the ones (the Shinden at least twice as important than the Reppu) that will make your air attacks VERY costly IMO...

take those factories out ASAP! If PzB produces 70-100 Shindens a month you can deal with them, if he produces 500, then it´s nearly game over - not for him, for you... [;)]

[Andy Mac]

Oh its laugable the numbers PZB is producing
 
1st line fighters now are P51D, F4U1D, P47D, F4U and F6F and maybe P38J everything else is obsolete.
 
For the Japanese its the Frank, Tony 100, Shinden and Reppu.
 
I am willing to bet that in these key types I am being outrpoduced by the Japanese
 
Can you launch Nukes at night ? If not then I will need to consider launching an attack with carrier support to get a Nuke through to Gumma and I think that has to be the number 1 target....
 
Andy

[veji1]

It is laughable indeed...

Hopefully nikmod games later in the war, with a tweaked production system, would make it more realistic, ie decently experienced jap pilots flying late war planes able to stand against the american armada but being progressivily worned by superior US numbers...

[castor troy]

ORIGINAL: Andy Mac

Oh its laugable the numbers PZB is producing

1st line fighters now are P51D, F4U1D, P47D, F4U and F6F and maybe P38J everything else is obsolete.

For the Japanese its the Frank, Tony 100, Shinden and Reppu.

I am willing to bet that in these key types I am being outrpoduced by the Japanese

Can you launch Nukes at night ? If not then I will need to consider launching an attack with carrier support to get a Nuke through to Gumma and I think that has to be the number 1 target....

Andy

no need to drop them at night! IIRC the a-bomb carrying bomber can´t be intercepted... [;)] Take out Gumma with one bomb, if most factories are destroyed, take out the next target. If many Shinden/Reppu factories are still there, drop another on Gumma...

[Andy Mac]

Another turn not much to say I can only afford to drop 2 A Bombs without screwing up my victory conditions
 
OK the plan for India
 
1. get the AF to lvl 2
2. Get 11th Para present.
3. Deep Para Drops in support of a ground offensive probably on the axis Lucknow/Delhi as PZB is reinforcing the Bangalore/Hyderabad axis.
 
One thing I have noticed PZB has a 150+ Shinden factoy at Harbin but I have no way of reaching it ;(
 
Aleutians, Wake, PI, Hue they are all out of range....
 
 

[Andy Mac]

PZB has landed in my rear in the PI this time by barge the PI is taking longer than I had hoped I am now going to use 8th US Army for the next attack forces are assembling to take Batan Island I know its not much but if I need to sledgehammer my way forward then thats what I am going to do !!!

[Fishbed]

One thing I have noticed PZB has a 150+ Shinden factoy at Harbin but I have no way of reaching it ;(

Once the Soviet Juggernaut will get activated in August, I think it will be worth a thousand superfortresses against Harbin
Once the USSR will get activated all your air range issues will be history anyway. Maybe you should talk to PzB about how you may deal with non-soviet planes in USSR. It may require a rule to make it look like a "Frantic" kind of operation. You can't expect to have a whole air force use Soviet strips like if they were English bases, but Im pretty sure you may put some bomber groups up there, just like the USAAF did with the Frantic missions in Ukraine. That would be logicial.

[veji1]

Well would frantic missions cover for the use of 250 B29s ? that would seem a bit far fetched to me...

[Andy Mac]

I already offered weeks ago  not to use USAAF forces in Manchuria it would be wrong.
 
If the Soviet AF gets wiped out we may talk again but for now no B29's in USSSR

[b5n]

Though the USA and the USSR weren't enemies yet, they had certainly become rivals. Both knew they were winning the war. Cooperating like that was less likely than ever before.

[Fishbed]

Maybe not 250 - but we can assume that with such a bad situation well into 1945 for the allies, step would have been taken to get everything ready for a strategic air campaign in time for the Soviet intervention. [:)]
Of course they were rivals in our historical dimension, and they still would be in this game - but we can't bet on which consequences an indian invasion and such a powerful Japan into 1945 may have provoked.
In Yalta the Americans agreed to a Russian offensive in Mandchuria. In Pzb's and Andy's game, they would probably would have asked for much more.

[Fishbed]

I already offered weeks ago  not to use USAAF forces in Manchuria it would be wrong.

If the Soviet AF gets wiped out we may talk again but for now no B29's in USSSR

Ho ok. Sorry Andy, didn't see that

[Andy Mac]

No issue tensions were to high for co operation except in extremis if I have to I will shift in fighters and tac bombers (with PZB's agreement) if the soviet airforce gets crushed but no strat bombers and not until we at least see how it goes. How could say B29's operate from Russia transport the bombs and fuel from Murmansk ?

Na not possible

But thats a long way off lemme tell you about a little plan called Operation Dambuster

I have 6 nice new repaired fleet Carriers in Ray Spruances 2 TF's each TF has three carriers and plenty of escorts and oh look they are both within 750 miles of Tokyo undetected...

Oh dear what shall we do......

Last night CINCPAC under direction of the Joint Chiefs ordered USAAF and USN co operation in a daring raid against Tokyo

The target is not the Industrial heartland ohhh no not this time this time the B29's are going for Tokyo's Airfield IN DAYLIGHT

2 Carrier TF's will make a speed run to within 300 miles of Tokyo seperated by 60 miles of oceon at least one should be unclouded.

Each TF has 3 Sqns of Corsairs and 3 of Hellcats

The Hellcats will operate in fleet defence mode and the Corsairs will escort in a massive B29 raid from Aparri targeting the Airfields - A follow up daylight strike from Wake will go after the MI complex in the city.

This is only possible because PZB has not yet spotted the carriers and these ships and TF's have been in the rear repairing for months after the battles around Iwo.

I want 400+ B29's to hit Tokyo with everything they have got !!!!

[Andy Mac]

p.s. if I lose 6 carriers to this insanity please someone shoot me

[Fishbed]

Gawd...!
Im going to check Pzb's thread with even greater attention - for once he is not the one with DA cunning plan out there [:D] [;)]

[Andy Mac]

Well it went well but we missed Tokyo Rose 300 aircraft torched on the ground and many more int eh air as the Carriers cleared the way for the heavies.

One of Spruances TF's was socked in by the weather and no Jap recon spotted em I think PZB will take this for a hit and fade and will LRCAP Tokyo !!!

Guess what he may just leave an opening at Gumma so with Hap Arnold showering the medals Doolittle is screaming at the ordnance crews to ream those forts and get em back in th air this time we are after the Shinden Factories at Gumma....


AFTER ACTION REPORTS FOR 06/30/45

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Day Air attack on Tokyo , at 66,43

Japanese aircraft
A6M5 Zeke x 22
A7M2 Reppu x 64
J2M Jack x 13
J7W Shinden x 7
Ki-100 Tony x 25

Allied aircraft
F4U-1D Corsair x 97
B-29 Superfortress x 304

Japanese aircraft losses
A6M5 Zeke: 26 destroyed
A7M2 Reppu: 36 destroyed
J2M Jack: 2 destroyed, 7 damaged
J7W Shinden: 11 destroyed
Ki-100 Tony: 45 destroyed
E13A1 Jake: 4 destroyed
G4M2 Betty: 28 destroyed
G4M2e Betty: 10 destroyed
J1N1-S Irving: 11 destroyed
Ki-84-Ic Frank: 15 destroyed
Ki-45 KAIc Nick: 12 destroyed
C6N1-S Myrt: 14 destroyed
D4Y Judy: 5 destroyed
B7A Grace: 6 destroyed
Ki-102a Randy: 2 destroyed
Ki-46-III Dinah: 2 destroyed

Allied aircraft losses
F4U-1D Corsair: 34 destroyed, 7 damaged
B-29 Superfortress: 18 destroyed, 57 damaged

Japanese ground losses:
509 casualties reported
Guns lost 14

Airbase hits 44
Airbase supply hits 1
Runway hits 248

Aircraft Attacking:
11 x B-29 Superfortress bombing at 6000 feet
9 x B-29 Superfortress bombing at 6000 feet
11 x B-29 Superfortress bombing at 6000 feet
8 x B-29 Superfortress bombing at 6000 feet
14 x B-29 Superfortress bombing at 6000 feet
12 x B-29 Superfortress bombing at 6000 feet
6 x B-29 Superfortress bombing at 6000 feet
14 x B-29 Superfortress bombing at 6000 feet
3 x B-29 Superfortress bombing at 6000 feet
15 x B-29 Superfortress bombing at 6000 feet
6 x B-29 Superfortress bombing at 6000 feet
4 x B-29 Superfortress bombing at 6000 feet
7 x B-29 Superfortress bombing at 6000 feet
4 x B-29 Superfortress bombing at 6000 feet
4 x B-29 Superfortress bombing at 6000 feet
11 x B-29 Superfortress bombing at 6000 feet
12 x B-29 Superfortress bombing at 6000 feet
3 x B-29 Superfortress bombing at 6000 feet
3 x B-29 Superfortress bombing at 6000 feet
4 x B-29 Superfortress bombing at 6000 feet
4 x B-29 Superfortress bombing at 6000 feet
6 x B-29 Superfortress bombing at 6000 feet
3 x B-29 Superfortress bombing at 6000 feet
4 x B-29 Superfortress bombing at 6000 feet
3 x B-29 Superfortress bombing at 6000 feet
6 x B-29 Superfortress bombing at 6000 feet
3 x B-29 Superfortress bombing at 6000 feet
3 x B-29 Superfortress bombing at 6000 feet
3 x B-29 Superfortress bombing at 6000 feet
2 x B-29 Superfortress bombing at 6000 feet
2 x B-29 Superfortress bombing at 6000 feet
3 x B-29 Superfortress bombing at 6000 feet
3 x B-29 Superfortress bombing at 6000 feet
3 x B-29 Superfortress bombing at 6000 feet
3 x B-29 Superfortress bombing at 6000 feet
3 x B-29 Superfortress bombing at 6000 feet
3 x B-29 Superfortress bombing at 6000 feet
3 x B-29 Superfortress bombing at 6000 feet
3 x B-29 Superfortress bombing at 6000 feet
2 x B-29 Superfortress bombing at 6000 feet
3 x B-29 Superfortress bombing at 6000 feet
3 x B-29 Superfortress bombing at 6000 feet
1 x B-29 Superfortress bombing at 6000 feet
3 x B-29 Superfortress bombing at 6000 feet
3 x B-29 Superfortress bombing at 6000 feet
3 x B-29 Superfortress bombing at 6000 feet
3 x B-29 Superfortress bombing at 6000 feet
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Day Air attack on Tokyo , at 66,43

Japanese aircraft
A6M5 Zeke x 2
A7M2 Reppu x 12
J2M Jack x 5
J7W Shinden x 1
Ki-100 Tony x 2

Allied aircraft
B-29 Superfortress x 140

Japanese aircraft losses
A7M2 Reppu: 1 destroyed, 5 damaged
J2M Jack: 1 destroyed
J7W Shinden: 1 damaged
Ki-100 Tony: 1 destroyed

Allied aircraft losses
B-29 Superfortress: 6 destroyed, 30 damaged

Manpower hits 148

Aircraft Attacking:
14 x B-29 Superfortress bombing at 6000 feet
13 x B-29 Superfortress bombing at 6000 feet
25 x B-29 Superfortress bombing at 6000 feet
29 x B-29 Superfortress bombing at 6000 feet
16 x B-29 Superfortress bombing at 6000 feet
6 x B-29 Superfortress bombing at 6000 feet
3 x B-29 Superfortress bombing at 6000 feet
6 x B-29 Superfortress bombing at 6000 feet
3 x B-29 Superfortress bombing at 6000 feet
8 x B-29 Superfortress bombing at 6000 feet
3 x B-29 Superfortress bombing at 6000 feet
4 x B-29 Superfortress bombing at 6000 feet
2 x B-29 Superfortress bombing at 6000 feet
2 x B-29 Superfortress bombing at 6000 feet

As I am not going to re sweep Tokyo the Wake boysw are going back in as well but this time by night as they will be unescorted to help em out I have ordered the Black Widow groups on Wake to sweep Tokyo to get rid of any remaining night fighters !!!!

Andy