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[Orm]

The Spurs defence seems to have improved a bit. Not many goals they allow.

[warspite1]

ORIGINAL: Orm

The Spurs defence seems to have improved a bit. Not many goals they allow.

warspite1

Yes, but one teensy-weeny problem..... we can't score either [:@]

[Orm]

ORIGINAL: warspite1

ORIGINAL: Orm

The Spurs defence seems to have improved a bit. Not many goals they allow.

warspite1

Yes, but one teensy-weeny problem..... we can't score either [:@]

Indeed.

But I rather have a competent defence and incompetent attack than the reverse. Now we just have to hope that the offence can get their act together.

[warspite1]

Oh my..... United being spanked!

This is going to be another interesting Premiership campaign. Still early days but I think its between Arsenal and Liverpool - although City can improve as they will have big bucks to spend in January. Chelsea aren't looking to shabby either.....

[warspite1]

From the BBC:

The Stamford Bridge crowd regale the world's most expensive player with a song questioning the financial prudence of his transfer.

[:D]

[terje439]

ORIGINAL: warspite1

Oh my..... United being spanked!

This is going to be another interesting Premiership campaign. Still early days but I think its between Arsenal and Liverpool - although City can improve as they will have big bucks to spend in January. Chelsea aren't looking to shabby either.....

Just wait and see how Liverpool will crumble towards the end...again.
Too many goal concieved for it them to go all the way I fear.

[Zorch]

I understand Twickenham Stadium was taken over by teams of 11 men known as 'Giants' and 'Rams' today. http://www.wsj.com/articles/at-twickenh ... 1477089683

[warspite1]

ORIGINAL: Zorch

I understand Twickenham Stadium was taken over by teams of 11 men known as 'Giants' and 'Rams' today. http://www.wsj.com/articles/at-twickenh ... 1477089683

warspite1

If you say so, this is the football thread though so....[;)]

[Orm]

ORIGINAL: Zorch

I understand Twickenham Stadium was taken over by teams of 11 men known as 'Giants' and 'Rams' today. http://www.wsj.com/articles/at-twickenh ... 1477089683

What kind of cheerleaders are that with no girls? [X(] [;)]

[warspite1]

ORIGINAL: Orm

ORIGINAL: warspite1

ORIGINAL: Orm

The Spurs defence seems to have improved a bit. Not many goals they allow.

warspite1

Yes, but one teensy-weeny problem..... we can't score either [:@]

Indeed.

But I rather have a competent defence and incompetent attack than the reverse. Now we just have to hope that the offence can get their act together.

warspite1

Scoring goals is becoming a major problem now [:@]

[loki100]

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warspite1

Scoring goals is becoming a major problem now [:@]

aye, think they really need Harry back. Spurs seem to be too 'neat' at the moment which means that you really need a top class striker who can score while still facing an organised defense?

[warspite1]

ORIGINAL: loki100

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warspite1

Scoring goals is becoming a major problem now [:@]

aye, think they really need Harry back. Spurs seem to be too 'neat' at the moment which means that you really need a top class striker who can score while still facing an organised defense?

warspite1

Sadly I don't think its an issue that can be solved by Harry. Swap him for Janssen last night and the problems still remain. 1. Too many players not wanting or not having the ability to take people on, or 2.god forbid, actually running into the box to get themselves into position for crosses (which rarely come anyway - see no.1). Where is the killer ball in behind the defence. All this side-ways and backwards nonsense is all very pretty but as shown in the first half when we had 67% possession - and no decent attempts - it leads nowhere.

[loki100]

ORIGINAL: warspite1

ORIGINAL: loki100

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warspite1

Scoring goals is becoming a major problem now [:@]

aye, think they really need Harry back. Spurs seem to be too 'neat' at the moment which means that you really need a top class striker who can score while still facing an organised defense?

warspite1

Sadly I don't think its an issue that can be solved by Harry. Swap him for Janssen last night and the problems still remain. 1. Too many players not wanting or not having the ability to take people on, or 2.god forbid, actually running into the box to get themselves into position for crosses (which rarely come anyway - see no.1). Where is the killer ball in behind the defence. All this side-ways and backwards nonsense is all very pretty but as shown in the first half when we had 67% possession - and no decent attempts - it leads nowhere.

I agree - its as if the problem that AVB created (or inherited to perhaps be more fair) has never really been solved. Spurs became a possession team and have consistently struggled to break down well organised defences (esp those that play Pulis-ball) or to create real sustained pressure on the opposition. This seems to stem from a desire to control the entire match rather than the more traditional (for Spurs) logic of hoping it all clicks for 15 mins or so in each half when you impose yourself.

On the other hand, we are doing far better than we did in the fine old days of watching Crooks and Archibald up front [;)]

[warspite1]

ORIGINAL: loki100

ORIGINAL: warspite1

ORIGINAL: loki100

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aye, think they really need Harry back. Spurs seem to be too 'neat' at the moment which means that you really need a top class striker who can score while still facing an organised defense?

warspite1

Sadly I don't think its an issue that can be solved by Harry. Swap him for Janssen last night and the problems still remain. 1. Too many players not wanting or not having the ability to take people on, or 2.god forbid, actually running into the box to get themselves into position for crosses (which rarely come anyway - see no.1). Where is the killer ball in behind the defence. All this side-ways and backwards nonsense is all very pretty but as shown in the first half when we had 67% possession - and no decent attempts - it leads nowhere.

I agree - its as if the problem that AVB created (or inherited to perhaps be more fair) has never really been solved. Spurs became a possession team and have consistently struggled to break down well organised defences (esp those that play Pulis-ball) or to create real sustained pressure on the opposition. This seems to stem from a desire to control the entire match rather than the more traditional (for Spurs) logic of hoping it all clicks for 15 mins or so in each half when you impose yourself.

On the other hand, we are doing far better than we did in the fine old days of watching Crooks and Archibald up front [;)]

warspite1

Except in those heady days we actually won the FA Cup twice and the UEFA cup once. Tottenham Hotspur haven't won the championship since 1961, the FA Cup since 1991 and a European trophy since 1984.

Pretty shocking....

[Zorch]

Is this true? http://fivethirtyeight.com/features/how ... sh-soccer/
"How One Man’s Bad Math Helped Ruin Decades Of English Soccer"

[TulliusDetritus]

ORIGINAL: Zorch

Is this true? http://fivethirtyeight.com/features/how ... sh-soccer/
"How One Man’s Bad Math Helped Ruin Decades Of English Soccer"

The next person saying soccer on this thread deserves execution by firing squad. Or let's keep it traditional and bring the executioner and his axe [:)]

I don't know this particular case, Zorch, but even if his maths were wrong, the whole picture remains true IIRC some statistics. Most goals are scored after a few passes. There are indeed goals that are scored after the whole team + GK receive and pass the ball, but these are [spectacular] exceptions.

[Zorch]

ORIGINAL: TulliusDetritus

ORIGINAL: Zorch

Is this true? http://fivethirtyeight.com/features/how ... sh-soccer/
"How One Man’s Bad Math Helped Ruin Decades Of English Soccer"

The next person saying soccer on this thread deserves execution by firing squad. Or let's keep it traditional and bring the executioner and his axe [:)]

Have pity on us poor uneducated colonials. [8D]

[TulliusDetritus]

Ouch! My friend Mourinho is definitely struggling

And Erchim (Mongolian Premier League) were crowned champions two weeks ago.

[loki100]

ORIGINAL: Zorch

Is this true? http://fivethirtyeight.com/features/how ... sh-soccer/
"How One Man’s Bad Math Helped Ruin Decades Of English Soccer"

yes its true, its a classic instance of both base rate neglect and only looking at the antecedents to one of two possible outcomes.

One reason why the good Reverend Bayes should be an obligatory part of any University Degree - not so much for the formal mathematics but the implications for how to reason from real world data to valid understanding.

Less formally, todays football was funny for what promises to be a massive Mourinho hissy fit and not funny since Spurs have decided that actually scoring goals is too boring for them [;)]

[Zorch]

History was made today! Teams at Wembley Stadium played to a tie in only 75 minutes!
The previous record for ties at Wembley was 90 minutes or even longer.