Andy Mac v PZB ....The Allies Fight Back
Moderators: wdolson, Don Bowen, mogami
RE: Operation Tokyo Rose Must DIE
After he mopping up I will have 1 x lvl 9, 1 x lvl 7, 5 x lvl 6 and 2 x lvl 4 AF's its brute force but it should work I will need all my air HQ's and a large chunk of the allied aviation regiments but no base will retain much in the way of supplies after a couple of weeks bombardment
RE: Operation Tokyo Rose Must DIE
OK the Soviets are go I am not 100% sure what troops I have but in the north 3 Axis of Advance as 6 Guards Tk, 39th and 36th Army and 2nd Red Banner Army
5th, 25th and 1st Red Banner Army are going to attack from the South
5th, 25th and 1st Red Banner Army are going to attack from the South
March of the Red Death
OK the Red Army is on the move.
Initial thoughts.
Forces are very widely seperated if PZB defends the outer perimeter of bases I may have an issue as my forces will take time to penetrate and join up into the one stack steamroller we all know you need in WITP.
I have zero hopes for the red AF its mostly FB's and LA 7's and the pilot xp is in the 60's - chances of taking on Reppus and Shindens - none....
The old WWIII joke for the soviet AF springs to mind - 2 Russian Tank Generals underneath the Eiffel Tower as the tanks pass in review - one says to the other BTW who won the air war..... ?
The AA associated with Soviet forces is formidable I doubt PZB will make much progress slowing me down from the air.
p.s. a single Marine Corsair is in Vladivostock I have no idea how he got there......
Supplies are an issue Soviets are quite short by allied standards.
Broadly after my frontier penetrations there will be 3 Fronts
Northern Front - Objective Harbin
Central Front - Diversionary aiming at Harbin as well
Southern Front - Northern Korea
Initial thoughts.
Forces are very widely seperated if PZB defends the outer perimeter of bases I may have an issue as my forces will take time to penetrate and join up into the one stack steamroller we all know you need in WITP.
I have zero hopes for the red AF its mostly FB's and LA 7's and the pilot xp is in the 60's - chances of taking on Reppus and Shindens - none....
The old WWIII joke for the soviet AF springs to mind - 2 Russian Tank Generals underneath the Eiffel Tower as the tanks pass in review - one says to the other BTW who won the air war..... ?
The AA associated with Soviet forces is formidable I doubt PZB will make much progress slowing me down from the air.
p.s. a single Marine Corsair is in Vladivostock I have no idea how he got there......
Supplies are an issue Soviets are quite short by allied standards.
Broadly after my frontier penetrations there will be 3 Fronts
Northern Front - Objective Harbin
Central Front - Diversionary aiming at Harbin as well
Southern Front - Northern Korea
RE: March of the Red Death
I seem to be short a lot of troops in the red Army I wonder if I should wait for the 8th August my troops may still be converting to Corps !!!!
I think the Northern Front needs to seriously establish itself ready to deploy south quickly !!!
I think the Northern Front needs to seriously establish itself ready to deploy south quickly !!!
RE: March of the Red Death
The current VP count is around 89950 to 111506 -- about 1.24x to the Allies. Japan has 11450 in base points, so you should be able to whittle that down by a certain amount in India and China, say 5000 from him to youand it 84K to 117K, 1.39x to the Allies and more than half way to a 1.5x victory. That's not counting major Japanese army losses, strat bombing (2 a-bombs) and a favorable air war
RE: March of the Red Death
Hmmmm only problem is I need 1.8x for the draw I am hoping for a bunch of points for eliminating Japanese pockets on Luzon !!!.
The army needs a rest though so this will take time.
I dont like initial Soviet deployments I want to concentrate everything into one almighty mass and deliver a crushing blow to the Japanese.
Harbin is the key and my troops will congregate there.
Supplies are a real concern as the Japanese are light on supplies.
Andy
Andy
The army needs a rest though so this will take time.
I dont like initial Soviet deployments I want to concentrate everything into one almighty mass and deliver a crushing blow to the Japanese.
Harbin is the key and my troops will congregate there.
Supplies are a real concern as the Japanese are light on supplies.
Andy
Andy
RE: March of the Red Death
I am using the time productively finish off Luzon, ferry in troops and then go for the jugular
Concentrate concentrate concentrate thats the key !!!
Concentrate concentrate concentrate thats the key !!!
RE: March of the Red Death
Will the USSR head into China once it finishes with Manchuria/Korea (provided that goes according to plan)? Lots of VPs there
RE: March of the Red Death
No HR prevents it Manchuria then Korea then HI Soviets will not enter China and China Army will not enter Manchuko to do otyherwise would require re opening China to combat which neither of us wantr
RE: March of the Red Death
I am annoyed with myself over India/Ceylon
My losses have not been inconsequential I took my eye off the ball and lost a lot more than I really wanted to for a sideshow.
After I secure Lingyen and Naga I am going to leave eliminating the pockets to the armoured Regts the Inf have worked to hard they need a long rest in Manila and Clark atr least a month will be required to absorb replacements build prep points for the next objectinve and also gather in the extra av regts HQ and base forces I will need for future operations.
The Russians will take up the slack short term but medium term a campaign towards the HI backed by an air armada based on Luzon is the next USN move
My losses have not been inconsequential I took my eye off the ball and lost a lot more than I really wanted to for a sideshow.
After I secure Lingyen and Naga I am going to leave eliminating the pockets to the armoured Regts the Inf have worked to hard they need a long rest in Manila and Clark atr least a month will be required to absorb replacements build prep points for the next objectinve and also gather in the extra av regts HQ and base forces I will need for future operations.
The Russians will take up the slack short term but medium term a campaign towards the HI backed by an air armada based on Luzon is the next USN move
RE: March of the Red Death
Ok the concentration is still underway not a lot else to say my troops are gathering at Clark and Manila to rest up while the armour is going to attack and finish the clear job.
Not much more to say really
A small auto convoy was sent to Vladivostock and has been crucified - I depend on Auto convoy but some times its annoying !!!
Not much more to say really
A small auto convoy was sent to Vladivostock and has been crucified - I depend on Auto convoy but some times its annoying !!!
RE: March of the Red Death
This was the last combat report I should do pretty pictures but I am tired and off to bed you can see the auto convoy getting attacked and the Soviets going through the frontline main issue is supplies - supplies in Russia are very low I am worried I may run out
AFTER ACTION REPORTS FOR 08/03/45
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Day Air attack on Sunwu , at 68,23
Allied aircraft
Yak-3 x 7
IL-2 Shturmovik x 55
Pe-2R x 2
Yak-9UF x 2
No Allied losses
Airbase hits 6
Airbase supply hits 5
Runway hits 19
Aircraft Attacking:
50 x IL-2 Shturmovik bombing at 2000 feet
5 x IL-2 Shturmovik bombing at 2000 feet
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Day Air attack on Kweiyang , at 41,35
Japanese aircraft
B7A Grace x 16
No Japanese losses
Airbase supply hits 1
Runway hits 8
Aircraft Attacking:
14 x B7A Grace bombing at 9000 feet
2 x B7A Grace bombing at 9000 feet
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Day Air attack on Kweiyang , at 41,35
Japanese aircraft
B7A Grace x 31
No Japanese losses
Runway hits 13
Aircraft Attacking:
16 x B7A Grace bombing at 9000 feet
11 x B7A Grace bombing at 9000 feet
2 x B7A Grace bombing at 9000 feet
2 x B7A Grace bombing at 9000 feet
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Day Air attack on Madras , at 18,21
Japanese aircraft
no flights
Allied aircraft
F4U-1D Corsair x 3
P-38J Lightning x 10
A-26B Invader x 6
PB4Y Liberator x 3
Japanese aircraft losses
Ki-30 Ann: 1 destroyed
Japanese ground losses:
15 casualties reported
Airbase hits 4
Runway hits 7
Aircraft Attacking:
6 x A-26B Invader bombing at 16000 feet
3 x PB4Y Liberator bombing at 16000 feet
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Day Air attack on Krung Thep , at 29,39
Allied aircraft
Beaufighter Mk 21 x 7
No Allied losses
Airbase hits 2
Runway hits 1
Aircraft Attacking:
7 x Beaufighter Mk 21 bombing at 2000 feet
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Day Air attack on Lingayen , at 44,50
Allied aircraft
F6F Hellcat x 38
P-47D Thunderbolt x 3
B-25J Mitchell x 47
No Allied losses
Japanese ground losses:
35 casualties reported
Airbase hits 8
Airbase supply hits 2
Runway hits 88
Aircraft Attacking:
27 x B-25J Mitchell bombing at 6000 feet
11 x F6F Hellcat bombing at 2000 feet
13 x F6F Hellcat bombing at 2000 feet
3 x F6F Hellcat bombing at 2000 feet
12 x B-25J Mitchell bombing at 6000 feet
5 x F6F Hellcat bombing at 2000 feet
3 x F6F Hellcat bombing at 2000 feet
5 x B-25J Mitchell bombing at 6000 feet
3 x F6F Hellcat bombing at 2000 feet
3 x B-25J Mitchell bombing at 6000 feet
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Day Air attack on Batan Island , at 47,47
Allied aircraft
Mosquito B.XXVI x 16
P-47D Thunderbolt x 6
B-29 Superfortress x 57
No Allied losses
Japanese ground losses:
44 casualties reported
Guns lost 1
Airbase hits 3
Airbase supply hits 2
Runway hits 107
Aircraft Attacking:
4 x Mosquito B.XXVI bombing at 6000 feet
6 x B-29 Superfortress bombing at 6000 feet
6 x B-29 Superfortress bombing at 6000 feet
7 x B-29 Superfortress bombing at 6000 feet
4 x Mosquito B.XXVI bombing at 6000 feet
13 x B-29 Superfortress bombing at 6000 feet
6 x B-29 Superfortress bombing at 6000 feet
3 x Mosquito B.XXVI bombing at 6000 feet
7 x B-29 Superfortress bombing at 6000 feet
3 x Mosquito B.XXVI bombing at 6000 feet
6 x B-29 Superfortress bombing at 6000 feet
3 x B-29 Superfortress bombing at 6000 feet
3 x B-29 Superfortress bombing at 6000 feet
2 x Mosquito B.XXVI bombing at 6000 feet
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Day Air attack on 12th Division, at 44,50
Allied aircraft
FM-2 Wildcat x 12
F6F Hellcat x 3
F4U-1 Corsair x 5
F4U-1D Corsair x 22
SB2C Helldiver x 4
TBM Avenger x 13
F-5C Lightning x 2
P-51D Mustang x 6
A-26B Invader x 16
PB4Y Liberator x 3
B-24J Liberator x 39
B-29 Superfortress x 30
No Allied losses
Japanese ground losses:
142 casualties reported
Guns lost 1
Aircraft Attacking:
16 x A-26B Invader bombing at 6000 feet
9 x B-24J Liberator bombing at 6000 feet
6 x B-24J Liberator bombing at 6000 feet
3 x B-24J Liberator bombing at 6000 feet
5 x F4U-1D Corsair bombing at 2000 feet
6 x B-24J Liberator bombing at 6000 feet
6 x B-24J Liberator bombing at 6000 feet
9 x B-24J Liberator bombing at 6000 feet
4 x B-29 Superfortress bombing at 6000 feet
4 x B-29 Superfortress bombing at 6000 feet
3 x B-29 Superfortress bombing at 6000 feet
9 x B-29 Superfortress bombing at 6000 feet
3 x B-29 Superfortress bombing at 6000 feet
7 x B-29 Superfortress bombing at 6000 feet
5 x F4U-1D Corsair bombing at 2000 feet
7 x F4U-1D Corsair bombing at 2000 feet
3 x F6F Hellcat bombing at 2000 feet
4 x FM-2 Wildcat bombing at 2000 feet
4 x FM-2 Wildcat bombing at 2000 feet
4 x FM-2 Wildcat bombing at 2000 feet
13 x TBM Avenger bombing at 5000 feet
4 x SB2C Helldiver bombing at 2000 feet
5 x F4U-1D Corsair bombing at 2000 feet
3 x PB4Y Liberator bombing at 6000 feet
5 x F4U-1 Corsair bombing at 2000 feet
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Day Air attack on 32nd Special Base Force, at 44,54
Allied aircraft
A-26B Invader x 26
No Allied losses
Japanese ground losses:
119 casualties reported
Guns lost 1
Aircraft Attacking:
26 x A-26B Invader bombing at 6000 feet
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Day Air attack on 53rd Ind.Mixed Brigade, at 44,50
Allied aircraft
Mosquito PR.IX x 2
P-38J Lightning x 3
F-5A Lightning x 2
F-5C Lightning x 2
PB4Y Liberator x 6
B-24J Liberator x 118
B-29 Superfortress x 91
No Allied losses
Japanese ground losses:
399 casualties reported
Guns lost 16
Aircraft Attacking:
6 x B-24J Liberator bombing at 17000 feet
18 x B-24J Liberator bombing at 17000 feet
20 x B-24J Liberator bombing at 17000 feet
15 x B-24J Liberator bombing at 17000 feet
27 x B-24J Liberator bombing at 17000 feet
4 x B-29 Superfortress bombing at 17000 feet
8 x B-29 Superfortress bombing at 17000 feet
15 x B-24J Liberator bombing at 17000 feet
8 x B-29 Superfortress bombing at 17000 feet
6 x B-29 Superfortress bombing at 17000 feet
6 x B-29 Superfortress bombing at 17000 feet
21 x B-29 Superfortress bombing at 17000 feet
13 x B-29 Superfortress bombing at 17000 feet
6 x PB4Y Liberator bombing at 17000 feet
6 x B-29 Superfortress bombing at 17000 feet
3 x B-24J Liberator bombing at 17000 feet
5 x B-24J Liberator bombing at 17000 feet
3 x B-24J Liberator bombing at 17000 feet
3 x B-24J Liberator bombing at 17000 feet
3 x B-29 Superfortress bombing at 17000 feet
3 x B-29 Superfortress bombing at 17000 feet
3 x B-24J Liberator bombing at 17000 feet
3 x B-29 Superfortress bombing at 17000 feet
4 x B-29 Superfortress bombing at 17000 feet
3 x B-29 Superfortress bombing at 17000 feet
3 x B-29 Superfortress bombing at 17000 feet
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Day Air attack on 53rd Ind.Mixed Brigade, at 44,50
Allied aircraft
FM-2 Wildcat x 16
F6F Hellcat x 8
F4U-1 Corsair x 13
F4U-1D Corsair x 13
SB2C Helldiver x 3
TBM Avenger x 7
Kittyhawk III x 29
Beaufighter Mk 21 x 12
F-5C Lightning x 4
P-51D Mustang x 13
PB4Y Liberator x 3
B-24J Liberator x 49
B-29 Superfortress x 44
No Allied losses
Japanese ground losses:
242 casualties reported
Guns lost 5
Aircraft Attacking:
12 x Kittyhawk III bombing at 2000 feet
10 x Beaufighter Mk 21 bombing at 2000 feet
13 x Kittyhawk III bombing at 2000 feet
6 x F6F Hellcat bombing at 2000 feet
9 x F4U-1 Corsair bombing at 2000 feet
6 x B-24J Liberator bombing at 6000 feet
5 x B-24J Liberator bombing at 6000 feet
3 x B-24J Liberator bombing at 6000 feet
3 x F4U-1D Corsair bombing at 2000 feet
6 x B-24J Liberator bombing at 6000 feet
3 x B-24J Liberator bombing at 6000 feet
5 x B-24J Liberator bombing at 6000 feet
3 x B-29 Superfortress bombing at 6000 feet
6 x B-29 Superfortress bombing at 6000 feet
4 x B-29 Superfortress bombing at 6000 feet
3 x B-29 Superfortress bombing at 6000 feet
6 x B-29 Superfortress bombing at 6000 feet
3 x B-29 Superfortress bombing at 6000 feet
3 x F4U-1D Corsair bombing at 2000 feet
3 x F4U-1D Corsair bombing at 2000 feet
2 x F6F Hellcat bombing at 2000 feet
2 x FM-2 Wildcat bombing at 2000 feet
2 x FM-2 Wildcat bombing at 2000 feet
2 x FM-2 Wildcat bombing at 2000 feet
4 x TBM Avenger bombing at 5000 feet
3 x SB2C Helldiver bombing at 2000 feet
3 x F4U-1D Corsair bombing at 2000 feet
3 x PB4Y Liberator bombing at 6000 feet
3 x F4U-1 Corsair bombing at 2000 feet
2 x Kittyhawk III bombing at 2000 feet
2 x Beaufighter Mk 21 bombing at 2000 feet
2 x Kittyhawk III bombing at 2000 feet
3 x B-24J Liberator bombing at 6000 feet
3 x B-24J Liberator bombing at 6000 feet
3 x B-24J Liberator bombing at 6000 feet
3 x B-24J Liberator bombing at 6000 feet
6 x B-24J Liberator bombing at 6000 feet
3 x B-24J Liberator bombing at 6000 feet
3 x B-29 Superfortress bombing at 6000 feet
3 x B-29 Superfortress bombing at 6000 feet
3 x B-29 Superfortress bombing at 6000 feet
3 x B-29 Superfortress bombing at 6000 feet
3 x B-29 Superfortress bombing at 6000 feet
4 x B-29 Superfortress bombing at 6000 feet
1 x FM-2 Wildcat bombing at 2000 feet
1 x FM-2 Wildcat bombing at 2000 feet
1 x FM-2 Wildcat bombing at 2000 feet
3 x TBM Avenger bombing at 5000 feet
1 x F4U-1D Corsair bombing at 2000 feet
1 x F4U-1 Corsair bombing at 2000 feet
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Day Air attack on 28th Chinese Corps, at 41,35
Japanese aircraft
D4Y Judy x 25
No Japanese losses
Allied ground losses:
44 casualties reported
Aircraft Attacking:
25 x D4Y Judy bombing at 2000 feet
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Day Air attack on 55th Ind.Mixed/A Brigade, at 43,50
Allied aircraft
Beaufighter VIC x 4
Mosquito PR.IX x 1
P-40N Warhawk x 9
P-38J Lightning x 8
F-5A Lightning x 1
F-5C Lightning x 1
No Allied losses
Japanese ground losses:
9 casualties reported
Aircraft Attacking:
4 x Beaufighter VIC bombing at 2000 feet
9 x P-40N Warhawk bombing at 2000 feet
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Day Air attack on 55th Ind.Mixed/A Brigade, at 43,50
Allied aircraft
FM-2 Wildcat x 3
F6F Hellcat x 1
F4U-1D Corsair x 4
SB2C Helldiver x 23
F-5C Lightning x 2
P-51D Mustang x 3
No Allied losses
Japanese ground losses:
29 casualties reported
Aircraft Attacking:
23 x SB2C Helldiver bombing at 2000 feet
1 x F4U-1D Corsair bombing at 2000 feet
1 x F4U-1D Corsair bombing at 2000 feet
1 x F4U-1D Corsair bombing at 2000 feet
1 x F6F Hellcat bombing at 2000 feet
1 x FM-2 Wildcat bombing at 2000 feet
1 x FM-2 Wildcat bombing at 2000 feet
1 x FM-2 Wildcat bombing at 2000 feet
1 x F4U-1D Corsair bombing at 2000 feet
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Day Air attack on 100th/C Division, at 44,50
Allied aircraft
A-26B Invader x 21
No Allied losses
Japanese ground losses:
73 casualties reported
Guns lost 1
Aircraft Attacking:
21 x A-26B Invader bombing at 6000 feet
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Day Air attack on 61st Ind.Mixed/A Brigade, at 44,50
Allied aircraft
TBM Avenger x 3
F-5C Lightning x 1
P-51D Mustang x 4
B-24J Liberator x 21
B-29 Superfortress x 18
No Allied losses
Japanese ground losses:
105 casualties reported
Guns lost 2
Aircraft Attacking:
3 x B-24J Liberator bombing at 6000 feet
3 x B-24J Liberator bombing at 6000 feet
3 x B-24J Liberator bombing at 6000 feet
3 x B-24J Liberator bombing at 6000 feet
3 x B-24J Liberator bombing at 6000 feet
6 x B-24J Liberator bombing at 6000 feet
3 x B-29 Superfortress bombing at 6000 feet
3 x B-29 Superfortress bombing at 6000 feet
4 x B-29 Superfortress bombing at 6000 feet
2 x B-29 Superfortress bombing at 6000 feet
3 x B-29 Superfortress bombing at 6000 feet
3 x B-29 Superfortress bombing at 6000 feet
3 x TBM Avenger bombing at 5000 feet
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Day Air attack on 105th/B Division, at 44,50
Allied aircraft
Mosquito PR.IX x 1
F-5A Lightning x 1
F-5C Lightning x 1
P-47D Thunderbolt x 2
PB4Y Liberator x 3
B-24J Liberator x 43
B-29 Superfortress x 35
No Allied losses
Japanese ground losses:
126 casualties reported
Guns lost 6
Aircraft Attacking:
6 x B-24J Liberator bombing at 17000 feet
3 x B-24J Liberator bombing at 17000 feet
7 x B-24J Liberator bombing at 17000 feet
9 x B-24J Liberator bombing at 17000 feet
8 x B-24J Liberator bombing at 17000 feet
6 x B-29 Superfortress bombing at 17000 feet
3 x B-29 Superfortress bombing at 17000 feet
10 x B-24J Liberator bombing at 17000 feet
4 x B-29 Superfortress bombing at 17000 feet
6 x B-29 Superfortress bombing at 17000 feet
4 x B-29 Superfortress bombing at 17000 feet
3 x B-29 Superfortress bombing at 17000 feet
9 x B-29 Superfortress bombing at 17000 feet
3 x PB4Y Liberator bombing at 17000 feet
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Day Air attack on 58th Ind.Mixed/B Brigade, at 44,50
Allied aircraft
Mosquito PR.IX x 1
P-38J Lightning x 2
F-5A Lightning x 1
F-5C Lightning x 1
PB4Y Liberator x 3
B-24J Liberator x 45
B-29 Superfortress x 31
No Allied losses
Japanese ground losses:
55 casualties reported
Guns lost 4
Aircraft Attacking:
11 x B-24J Liberator bombing at 17000 feet
3 x B-24J Liberator bombing at 17000 feet
3 x B-24J Liberator bombing at 17000 feet
11 x B-24J Liberator bombing at 17000 feet
6 x B-24J Liberator bombing at 17000 feet
6 x B-29 Superfortress bombing at 17000 feet
5 x B-29 Superfortress bombing at 17000 feet
11 x B-24J Liberator bombing at 17000 feet
3 x B-29 Superfortress bombing at 17000 feet
6 x B-29 Superfortress bombing at 17000 feet
3 x B-29 Superfortress bombing at 17000 feet
4 x B-29 Superfortress bombing at 17000 feet
4 x B-29 Superfortress bombing at 17000 feet
3 x PB4Y Liberator bombing at 17000 feet
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Day Air attack on 58th Ind.Mixed/B Brigade, at 44,50
Allied aircraft
FM-2 Wildcat x 26
F6F Hellcat x 6
F4U-1 Corsair x 11
F4U-1D Corsair x 43
SB2C Helldiver x 9
TBM Avenger x 30
F-5C Lightning x 2
P-51D Mustang x 13
PB4Y Liberator x 3
B-24J Liberator x 104
B-29 Superfortress x 44
No Allied losses
Japanese ground losses:
245 casualties reported
Guns lost 8
Aircraft Attacking:
24 x B-24J Liberator bombing at 6000 feet
15 x B-24J Liberator bombing at 6000 feet
10 x F4U-1D Corsair bombing at 2000 feet
24 x B-24J Liberator bombing at 6000 feet
13 x B-24J Liberator bombing at 6000 feet
17 x B-24J Liberator bombing at 6000 feet
11 x B-24J Liberator bombing at 6000 feet
7 x B-29 Superfortress bombing at 6000 feet
6 x B-29 Superfortress bombing at 6000 feet
3 x B-29 Superfortress bombing at 6000 feet
6 x B-29 Superfortress bombing at 6000 feet
9 x B-29 Superfortress bombing at 6000 feet
13 x B-29 Superfortress bombing at 6000 feet
10 x F4U-1D Corsair bombing at 2000 feet
13 x F4U-1D Corsair bombing at 2000 feet
6 x F6F Hellcat bombing at 2000 feet
9 x FM-2 Wildcat bombing at 2000 feet
8 x FM-2 Wildcat bombing at 2000 feet
9 x FM-2 Wildcat bombing at 2000 feet
30 x TBM Avenger bombing at 5000 feet
9 x SB2C Helldiver bombing at 2000 feet
10 x F4U-1D Corsair bombing at 2000 feet
3 x PB4Y Liberator bombing at 6000 feet
11 x F4U-1 Corsair bombing at 2000 feet
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Day Air attack on 34th Ind.Mixed/B Brigade, at 15,25
Allied aircraft
F6F Hellcat x 3
F4U-1D Corsair x 3
TBM Avenger x 3
Liberator VI x 3
P-38J Lightning x 12
No Allied losses
Japanese ground losses:
3 casualties reported
Guns lost 1
Aircraft Attacking:
3 x TBM Avenger bombing at 5000 feet
3 x Liberator VI bombing at 15000 feet
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Day Air attack on 35th/B Brigade, at 15,25
Allied aircraft
F6F Hellcat x 7
F4U-1D Corsair x 8
TBM Avenger x 5
Spitfire XIV x 8
Beaufighter VIF x 9
Liberator VI x 6
No Allied losses
Japanese ground losses:
15 casualties reported
Guns lost 1
Aircraft Attacking:
6 x Liberator VI bombing at 15000 feet
9 x Beaufighter VIF bombing at 2000 feet
5 x TBM Avenger bombing at 5000 feet
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Day Air attack on TF at 37,61
Japanese aircraft
Ki-102a Randy x 2
No Japanese losses
Allied Ships
AK John Page
Aircraft Attacking:
2 x Ki-102a Randy bombing at 2000 feet
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Day Air attack on TF at 37,61
Japanese aircraft
B7A Grace x 16
Japanese aircraft losses
B7A Grace: 2 destroyed, 7 damaged
Allied Ships
DD John Rodgers
AK Adoniram Judson
AK John Page, Torpedo hits 2, on fire, heavy damage
AK Peter Cooper Hewitt, Torpedo hits 2, on fire, heavy damage
AK Empire Rowan, Torpedo hits 1, on fire
Aircraft Attacking:
1 x B7A Grace launching torpedoes at 200 feet
2 x B7A Grace launching torpedoes at 200 feet
3 x B7A Grace launching torpedoes at 200 feet
4 x B7A Grace launching torpedoes at 200 feet
4 x B7A Grace launching torpedoes at 200 feet
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Day Air attack on TF at 37,61
Japanese aircraft
P1Y Frances x 7
Japanese aircraft losses
P1Y Frances: 4 damaged
Allied Ships
AK United Victory
AK Mary E. Kinney, Torpedo hits 1, on fire, heavy damage
AK Cape George, Torpedo hits 2, on fire, heavy damage
Aircraft Attacking:
1 x P1Y Frances launching torpedoes at 200 feet
2 x P1Y Frances launching torpedoes at 200 feet
4 x P1Y Frances launching torpedoes at 200 feet
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Day Air attack on TF at 72,34
Japanese aircraft
G4M2 Betty x 12
Ki-43-IIa Oscar x 11
Ki-48 Lily x 18
Japanese aircraft losses
Ki-48 Lily: 2 destroyed, 1 damaged
Allied Ships
AK China Victory, Bomb hits 2, Torpedo hits 2, on fire, heavy damage
Aircraft Attacking:
2 x Ki-48 Lily bombing at 3000 feet
4 x G4M2 Betty launching torpedoes at 200 feet
3 x Ki-48 Lily bombing at 3000 feet
3 x Ki-48 Lily bombing at 3000 feet
4 x Ki-48 Lily bombing at 3000 feet
4 x Ki-48 Lily bombing at 3000 feet
4 x G4M2 Betty launching torpedoes at 200 feet
4 x G4M2 Betty launching torpedoes at 200 feet
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Day Air attack on TF at 72,34
Japanese aircraft
G4M2 Betty x 13
Ki-102a Randy x 7
Japanese aircraft losses
G4M2 Betty: 1 destroyed, 5 damaged
Allied Ships
TK S.C.T. Todd, Torpedo hits 3, on fire, heavy damage
Aircraft Attacking:
1 x G4M2 Betty launching torpedoes at 200 feet
4 x G4M2 Betty launching torpedoes at 200 feet
3 x G4M2 Betty launching torpedoes at 200 feet
4 x G4M2 Betty launching torpedoes at 200 feet
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Day Air attack on TF at 72,35
Japanese aircraft
G4M2 Betty x 9
Japanese aircraft losses
G4M2 Betty: 5 damaged
Allied Ships
AK Philip Doddridge, Torpedo hits 2, on fire, heavy damage
Aircraft Attacking:
1 x G4M2 Betty launching torpedoes at 200 feet
4 x G4M2 Betty launching torpedoes at 200 feet
4 x G4M2 Betty launching torpedoes at 200 feet
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Day Air attack on TF at 37,61
Japanese aircraft
Ki-102a Randy x 18
Japanese aircraft losses
Ki-102a Randy: 2 damaged
Allied Ships
AK Cape Faro
AK Norse Carrier
DD John Rodgers
AK San Vincente
AK Empire Impala
Aircraft Attacking:
4 x Ki-102a Randy bombing at 2000 feet
2 x Ki-102a Randy bombing at 2000 feet
4 x Ki-102a Randy bombing at 2000 feet
4 x Ki-102a Randy bombing at 2000 feet
4 x Ki-102a Randy bombing at 2000 feet
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Day Air attack on TF at 37,61
Japanese aircraft
B7A Grace x 7
Japanese aircraft losses
B7A Grace: 7 damaged
Allied Ships
AK Peter Lassen
AK Charlotte Cushman
Aircraft Attacking:
3 x B7A Grace launching torpedoes at 200 feet
4 x B7A Grace launching torpedoes at 200 feet
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Day Air attack on TF at 37,61
Japanese aircraft
P1Y Frances x 3
Japanese aircraft losses
P1Y Frances: 1 destroyed, 1 damaged
Allied Ships
AK Golden Gate
Aircraft Attacking:
2 x P1Y Frances launching torpedoes at 200 feet
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Day Air attack on TF at 72,35
Japanese aircraft
G4M2 Betty x 11
Japanese aircraft losses
G4M2 Betty: 5 damaged
Allied Ships
AK Henry L. Abott
Aircraft Attacking:
3 x G4M2 Betty launching torpedoes at 200 feet
4 x G4M2 Betty launching torpedoes at 200 feet
4 x G4M2 Betty launching torpedoes at 200 feet
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Day Air attack on TF at 72,35
Japanese aircraft
P1Y Frances x 3
Japanese aircraft losses
P1Y Frances: 1 destroyed
Allied Ships
AK Ransom A. Moore
Aircraft Attacking:
2 x P1Y Frances launching torpedoes at 200 feet
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Day Air attack on TF at 72,34
Japanese aircraft
G4M2 Betty x 3
Japanese aircraft losses
G4M2 Betty: 3 damaged
Allied Ships
APD Harry L. Corl
Aircraft Attacking:
3 x G4M2 Betty launching torpedoes at 200 feet
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Ground combat at Tabun-Nur
Japanese Shock attack
Attacking force 51250 troops, 584 guns, 14 vehicles, Assault Value = 1023
Defending force 3113 troops, 2 guns, 0 vehicles, Assault Value = 97
Japanese max assault: 1278 - adjusted assault: 1514
Allied max defense: 65 - adjusted defense: 52
Japanese assault odds: 29 to 1
Japanese ground losses:
159 casualties reported
Guns lost 9
Allied ground losses:
122 casualties reported
Guns lost 2
Defeated Allied Units Retreating!
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Ground combat at Jehol
Japanese Deliberate attack
Attacking force 16156 troops, 208 guns, 0 vehicles, Assault Value = 330
Defending force 2186 troops, 0 guns, 0 vehicles, Assault Value = 87
Japanese engineers reduce fortifications to 6
Japanese max assault: 345 - adjusted assault: 306
Allied max defense: 80 - adjusted defense: 3
Japanese assault odds: 102 to 1 (fort level 6)
Japanese forces CAPTURE Jehol base !!!
Allied aircraft
no flights
Allied aircraft losses
P-40N Warhawk: 1 destroyed
Japanese ground losses:
82 casualties reported
Guns lost 5
Allied ground losses:
3321 casualties reported
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Ground combat at Hailar
Allied Shock attack
Attacking force 93961 troops, 969 guns, 232 vehicles, Assault Value = 2334
Defending force 1617 troops, 13 guns, 0 vehicles, Assault Value = 34
Allied engineers reduce fortifications to 7
Allied max assault: 4992 - adjusted assault: 7196
Japanese max defense: 37 - adjusted defense: 1
Allied assault odds: 7196 to 1 (fort level 7)
Allied forces CAPTURE Hailar base !!!
Japanese ground losses:
649 casualties reported
Guns lost 9
Allied ground losses:
31 casualties reported
Guns lost 2
Defeated Japanese Units Retreating!
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Ground combat at Heiho
Allied Shock attack
Attacking force 111087 troops, 1277 guns, 138 vehicles, Assault Value = 2200
Defending force 735 troops, 1 guns, 0 vehicles, Assault Value = 8
Allied max assault: 3072 - adjusted assault: 1255
Japanese max defense: 5 - adjusted defense: 1
Allied assault odds: 1255 to 1 (fort level 1)
Allied forces CAPTURE Heiho base !!!
Japanese ground losses:
212 casualties reported
Defeated Japanese Units Retreating!
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Ground combat at Mishan
Allied Shock attack
Attacking force 57171 troops, 755 guns, 109 vehicles, Assault Value = 1173
Defending force 1650 troops, 14 guns, 0 vehicles, Assault Value = 35
Allied max assault: 2456 - adjusted assault: 434
Japanese max defense: 37 - adjusted defense: 15
Allied assault odds: 28 to 1 (fort level 9)
Allied forces CAPTURE Mishan base !!!
Japanese ground losses:
257 casualties reported
Guns lost 9
Allied ground losses:
291 casualties reported
Guns lost 11
Vehicles lost 5
Defeated Japanese Units Retreating!
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Ground combat at San Marcelino
Allied Bombardment attack
Attacking force 29575 troops, 262 guns, 0 vehicles, Assault Value = 753
Defending force 4314 troops, 10 guns, 0 vehicles, Assault Value = 83
Japanese ground losses:
33 casualties reported
Guns lost 1
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Ground combat at Lingayen
Allied Bombardment attack
Attacking force 126143 troops, 1195 guns, 0 vehicles, Assault Value = 2525
Defending force 46605 troops, 189 guns, 0 vehicles, Assault Value = 855
Japanese ground losses:
71 casualties reported
Guns lost 1
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Ground combat at Bataan
Allied Bombardment attack
Attacking force 6660 troops, 198 guns, 0 vehicles, Assault Value = 2702
Defending force 75008 troops, 137 guns, 117 vehicles, Assault Value = 1255
Japanese ground losses:
151 casualties reported
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Ground combat at Trimcomalee
Allied Shock attack
Attacking force 23437 troops, 75 guns, 364 vehicles, Assault Value = 516
Defending force 7816 troops, 0 guns, 0 vehicles, Assault Value = 69
Allied max assault: 858 - adjusted assault: 297
Japanese max defense: 47 - adjusted defense: 53
Allied assault odds: 5 to 1
Japanese ground losses:
73 casualties reported
Allied ground losses:
120 casualties reported
Guns lost 1
Vehicles lost 1
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Ground combat at Naga
Allied Bombardment attack
Attacking force 13369 troops, 120 guns, 0 vehicles, Assault Value = 307
Defending force 18649 troops, 84 guns, 0 vehicles, Assault Value = 244
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Ground combat at 45,50
Allied Shock attack
Attacking force 3204 troops, 78 guns, 8 vehicles, Assault Value = 22
Defending force 660 troops, 0 guns, 0 vehicles, Assault Value = 1
Allied max assault: 40 - adjusted assault: 70
Japanese max defense: 0 - adjusted defense: 1
Allied assault odds: 70 to 1
Japanese ground losses:
999 casualties reported
AFTER ACTION REPORTS FOR 08/03/45
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Day Air attack on Sunwu , at 68,23
Allied aircraft
Yak-3 x 7
IL-2 Shturmovik x 55
Pe-2R x 2
Yak-9UF x 2
No Allied losses
Airbase hits 6
Airbase supply hits 5
Runway hits 19
Aircraft Attacking:
50 x IL-2 Shturmovik bombing at 2000 feet
5 x IL-2 Shturmovik bombing at 2000 feet
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Day Air attack on Kweiyang , at 41,35
Japanese aircraft
B7A Grace x 16
No Japanese losses
Airbase supply hits 1
Runway hits 8
Aircraft Attacking:
14 x B7A Grace bombing at 9000 feet
2 x B7A Grace bombing at 9000 feet
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Day Air attack on Kweiyang , at 41,35
Japanese aircraft
B7A Grace x 31
No Japanese losses
Runway hits 13
Aircraft Attacking:
16 x B7A Grace bombing at 9000 feet
11 x B7A Grace bombing at 9000 feet
2 x B7A Grace bombing at 9000 feet
2 x B7A Grace bombing at 9000 feet
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Day Air attack on Madras , at 18,21
Japanese aircraft
no flights
Allied aircraft
F4U-1D Corsair x 3
P-38J Lightning x 10
A-26B Invader x 6
PB4Y Liberator x 3
Japanese aircraft losses
Ki-30 Ann: 1 destroyed
Japanese ground losses:
15 casualties reported
Airbase hits 4
Runway hits 7
Aircraft Attacking:
6 x A-26B Invader bombing at 16000 feet
3 x PB4Y Liberator bombing at 16000 feet
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Day Air attack on Krung Thep , at 29,39
Allied aircraft
Beaufighter Mk 21 x 7
No Allied losses
Airbase hits 2
Runway hits 1
Aircraft Attacking:
7 x Beaufighter Mk 21 bombing at 2000 feet
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Day Air attack on Lingayen , at 44,50
Allied aircraft
F6F Hellcat x 38
P-47D Thunderbolt x 3
B-25J Mitchell x 47
No Allied losses
Japanese ground losses:
35 casualties reported
Airbase hits 8
Airbase supply hits 2
Runway hits 88
Aircraft Attacking:
27 x B-25J Mitchell bombing at 6000 feet
11 x F6F Hellcat bombing at 2000 feet
13 x F6F Hellcat bombing at 2000 feet
3 x F6F Hellcat bombing at 2000 feet
12 x B-25J Mitchell bombing at 6000 feet
5 x F6F Hellcat bombing at 2000 feet
3 x F6F Hellcat bombing at 2000 feet
5 x B-25J Mitchell bombing at 6000 feet
3 x F6F Hellcat bombing at 2000 feet
3 x B-25J Mitchell bombing at 6000 feet
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Day Air attack on Batan Island , at 47,47
Allied aircraft
Mosquito B.XXVI x 16
P-47D Thunderbolt x 6
B-29 Superfortress x 57
No Allied losses
Japanese ground losses:
44 casualties reported
Guns lost 1
Airbase hits 3
Airbase supply hits 2
Runway hits 107
Aircraft Attacking:
4 x Mosquito B.XXVI bombing at 6000 feet
6 x B-29 Superfortress bombing at 6000 feet
6 x B-29 Superfortress bombing at 6000 feet
7 x B-29 Superfortress bombing at 6000 feet
4 x Mosquito B.XXVI bombing at 6000 feet
13 x B-29 Superfortress bombing at 6000 feet
6 x B-29 Superfortress bombing at 6000 feet
3 x Mosquito B.XXVI bombing at 6000 feet
7 x B-29 Superfortress bombing at 6000 feet
3 x Mosquito B.XXVI bombing at 6000 feet
6 x B-29 Superfortress bombing at 6000 feet
3 x B-29 Superfortress bombing at 6000 feet
3 x B-29 Superfortress bombing at 6000 feet
2 x Mosquito B.XXVI bombing at 6000 feet
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Day Air attack on 12th Division, at 44,50
Allied aircraft
FM-2 Wildcat x 12
F6F Hellcat x 3
F4U-1 Corsair x 5
F4U-1D Corsair x 22
SB2C Helldiver x 4
TBM Avenger x 13
F-5C Lightning x 2
P-51D Mustang x 6
A-26B Invader x 16
PB4Y Liberator x 3
B-24J Liberator x 39
B-29 Superfortress x 30
No Allied losses
Japanese ground losses:
142 casualties reported
Guns lost 1
Aircraft Attacking:
16 x A-26B Invader bombing at 6000 feet
9 x B-24J Liberator bombing at 6000 feet
6 x B-24J Liberator bombing at 6000 feet
3 x B-24J Liberator bombing at 6000 feet
5 x F4U-1D Corsair bombing at 2000 feet
6 x B-24J Liberator bombing at 6000 feet
6 x B-24J Liberator bombing at 6000 feet
9 x B-24J Liberator bombing at 6000 feet
4 x B-29 Superfortress bombing at 6000 feet
4 x B-29 Superfortress bombing at 6000 feet
3 x B-29 Superfortress bombing at 6000 feet
9 x B-29 Superfortress bombing at 6000 feet
3 x B-29 Superfortress bombing at 6000 feet
7 x B-29 Superfortress bombing at 6000 feet
5 x F4U-1D Corsair bombing at 2000 feet
7 x F4U-1D Corsair bombing at 2000 feet
3 x F6F Hellcat bombing at 2000 feet
4 x FM-2 Wildcat bombing at 2000 feet
4 x FM-2 Wildcat bombing at 2000 feet
4 x FM-2 Wildcat bombing at 2000 feet
13 x TBM Avenger bombing at 5000 feet
4 x SB2C Helldiver bombing at 2000 feet
5 x F4U-1D Corsair bombing at 2000 feet
3 x PB4Y Liberator bombing at 6000 feet
5 x F4U-1 Corsair bombing at 2000 feet
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Day Air attack on 32nd Special Base Force, at 44,54
Allied aircraft
A-26B Invader x 26
No Allied losses
Japanese ground losses:
119 casualties reported
Guns lost 1
Aircraft Attacking:
26 x A-26B Invader bombing at 6000 feet
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Day Air attack on 53rd Ind.Mixed Brigade, at 44,50
Allied aircraft
Mosquito PR.IX x 2
P-38J Lightning x 3
F-5A Lightning x 2
F-5C Lightning x 2
PB4Y Liberator x 6
B-24J Liberator x 118
B-29 Superfortress x 91
No Allied losses
Japanese ground losses:
399 casualties reported
Guns lost 16
Aircraft Attacking:
6 x B-24J Liberator bombing at 17000 feet
18 x B-24J Liberator bombing at 17000 feet
20 x B-24J Liberator bombing at 17000 feet
15 x B-24J Liberator bombing at 17000 feet
27 x B-24J Liberator bombing at 17000 feet
4 x B-29 Superfortress bombing at 17000 feet
8 x B-29 Superfortress bombing at 17000 feet
15 x B-24J Liberator bombing at 17000 feet
8 x B-29 Superfortress bombing at 17000 feet
6 x B-29 Superfortress bombing at 17000 feet
6 x B-29 Superfortress bombing at 17000 feet
21 x B-29 Superfortress bombing at 17000 feet
13 x B-29 Superfortress bombing at 17000 feet
6 x PB4Y Liberator bombing at 17000 feet
6 x B-29 Superfortress bombing at 17000 feet
3 x B-24J Liberator bombing at 17000 feet
5 x B-24J Liberator bombing at 17000 feet
3 x B-24J Liberator bombing at 17000 feet
3 x B-24J Liberator bombing at 17000 feet
3 x B-29 Superfortress bombing at 17000 feet
3 x B-29 Superfortress bombing at 17000 feet
3 x B-24J Liberator bombing at 17000 feet
3 x B-29 Superfortress bombing at 17000 feet
4 x B-29 Superfortress bombing at 17000 feet
3 x B-29 Superfortress bombing at 17000 feet
3 x B-29 Superfortress bombing at 17000 feet
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Day Air attack on 53rd Ind.Mixed Brigade, at 44,50
Allied aircraft
FM-2 Wildcat x 16
F6F Hellcat x 8
F4U-1 Corsair x 13
F4U-1D Corsair x 13
SB2C Helldiver x 3
TBM Avenger x 7
Kittyhawk III x 29
Beaufighter Mk 21 x 12
F-5C Lightning x 4
P-51D Mustang x 13
PB4Y Liberator x 3
B-24J Liberator x 49
B-29 Superfortress x 44
No Allied losses
Japanese ground losses:
242 casualties reported
Guns lost 5
Aircraft Attacking:
12 x Kittyhawk III bombing at 2000 feet
10 x Beaufighter Mk 21 bombing at 2000 feet
13 x Kittyhawk III bombing at 2000 feet
6 x F6F Hellcat bombing at 2000 feet
9 x F4U-1 Corsair bombing at 2000 feet
6 x B-24J Liberator bombing at 6000 feet
5 x B-24J Liberator bombing at 6000 feet
3 x B-24J Liberator bombing at 6000 feet
3 x F4U-1D Corsair bombing at 2000 feet
6 x B-24J Liberator bombing at 6000 feet
3 x B-24J Liberator bombing at 6000 feet
5 x B-24J Liberator bombing at 6000 feet
3 x B-29 Superfortress bombing at 6000 feet
6 x B-29 Superfortress bombing at 6000 feet
4 x B-29 Superfortress bombing at 6000 feet
3 x B-29 Superfortress bombing at 6000 feet
6 x B-29 Superfortress bombing at 6000 feet
3 x B-29 Superfortress bombing at 6000 feet
3 x F4U-1D Corsair bombing at 2000 feet
3 x F4U-1D Corsair bombing at 2000 feet
2 x F6F Hellcat bombing at 2000 feet
2 x FM-2 Wildcat bombing at 2000 feet
2 x FM-2 Wildcat bombing at 2000 feet
2 x FM-2 Wildcat bombing at 2000 feet
4 x TBM Avenger bombing at 5000 feet
3 x SB2C Helldiver bombing at 2000 feet
3 x F4U-1D Corsair bombing at 2000 feet
3 x PB4Y Liberator bombing at 6000 feet
3 x F4U-1 Corsair bombing at 2000 feet
2 x Kittyhawk III bombing at 2000 feet
2 x Beaufighter Mk 21 bombing at 2000 feet
2 x Kittyhawk III bombing at 2000 feet
3 x B-24J Liberator bombing at 6000 feet
3 x B-24J Liberator bombing at 6000 feet
3 x B-24J Liberator bombing at 6000 feet
3 x B-24J Liberator bombing at 6000 feet
6 x B-24J Liberator bombing at 6000 feet
3 x B-24J Liberator bombing at 6000 feet
3 x B-29 Superfortress bombing at 6000 feet
3 x B-29 Superfortress bombing at 6000 feet
3 x B-29 Superfortress bombing at 6000 feet
3 x B-29 Superfortress bombing at 6000 feet
3 x B-29 Superfortress bombing at 6000 feet
4 x B-29 Superfortress bombing at 6000 feet
1 x FM-2 Wildcat bombing at 2000 feet
1 x FM-2 Wildcat bombing at 2000 feet
1 x FM-2 Wildcat bombing at 2000 feet
3 x TBM Avenger bombing at 5000 feet
1 x F4U-1D Corsair bombing at 2000 feet
1 x F4U-1 Corsair bombing at 2000 feet
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Day Air attack on 28th Chinese Corps, at 41,35
Japanese aircraft
D4Y Judy x 25
No Japanese losses
Allied ground losses:
44 casualties reported
Aircraft Attacking:
25 x D4Y Judy bombing at 2000 feet
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Day Air attack on 55th Ind.Mixed/A Brigade, at 43,50
Allied aircraft
Beaufighter VIC x 4
Mosquito PR.IX x 1
P-40N Warhawk x 9
P-38J Lightning x 8
F-5A Lightning x 1
F-5C Lightning x 1
No Allied losses
Japanese ground losses:
9 casualties reported
Aircraft Attacking:
4 x Beaufighter VIC bombing at 2000 feet
9 x P-40N Warhawk bombing at 2000 feet
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Day Air attack on 55th Ind.Mixed/A Brigade, at 43,50
Allied aircraft
FM-2 Wildcat x 3
F6F Hellcat x 1
F4U-1D Corsair x 4
SB2C Helldiver x 23
F-5C Lightning x 2
P-51D Mustang x 3
No Allied losses
Japanese ground losses:
29 casualties reported
Aircraft Attacking:
23 x SB2C Helldiver bombing at 2000 feet
1 x F4U-1D Corsair bombing at 2000 feet
1 x F4U-1D Corsair bombing at 2000 feet
1 x F4U-1D Corsair bombing at 2000 feet
1 x F6F Hellcat bombing at 2000 feet
1 x FM-2 Wildcat bombing at 2000 feet
1 x FM-2 Wildcat bombing at 2000 feet
1 x FM-2 Wildcat bombing at 2000 feet
1 x F4U-1D Corsair bombing at 2000 feet
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Day Air attack on 100th/C Division, at 44,50
Allied aircraft
A-26B Invader x 21
No Allied losses
Japanese ground losses:
73 casualties reported
Guns lost 1
Aircraft Attacking:
21 x A-26B Invader bombing at 6000 feet
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Day Air attack on 61st Ind.Mixed/A Brigade, at 44,50
Allied aircraft
TBM Avenger x 3
F-5C Lightning x 1
P-51D Mustang x 4
B-24J Liberator x 21
B-29 Superfortress x 18
No Allied losses
Japanese ground losses:
105 casualties reported
Guns lost 2
Aircraft Attacking:
3 x B-24J Liberator bombing at 6000 feet
3 x B-24J Liberator bombing at 6000 feet
3 x B-24J Liberator bombing at 6000 feet
3 x B-24J Liberator bombing at 6000 feet
3 x B-24J Liberator bombing at 6000 feet
6 x B-24J Liberator bombing at 6000 feet
3 x B-29 Superfortress bombing at 6000 feet
3 x B-29 Superfortress bombing at 6000 feet
4 x B-29 Superfortress bombing at 6000 feet
2 x B-29 Superfortress bombing at 6000 feet
3 x B-29 Superfortress bombing at 6000 feet
3 x B-29 Superfortress bombing at 6000 feet
3 x TBM Avenger bombing at 5000 feet
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Day Air attack on 105th/B Division, at 44,50
Allied aircraft
Mosquito PR.IX x 1
F-5A Lightning x 1
F-5C Lightning x 1
P-47D Thunderbolt x 2
PB4Y Liberator x 3
B-24J Liberator x 43
B-29 Superfortress x 35
No Allied losses
Japanese ground losses:
126 casualties reported
Guns lost 6
Aircraft Attacking:
6 x B-24J Liberator bombing at 17000 feet
3 x B-24J Liberator bombing at 17000 feet
7 x B-24J Liberator bombing at 17000 feet
9 x B-24J Liberator bombing at 17000 feet
8 x B-24J Liberator bombing at 17000 feet
6 x B-29 Superfortress bombing at 17000 feet
3 x B-29 Superfortress bombing at 17000 feet
10 x B-24J Liberator bombing at 17000 feet
4 x B-29 Superfortress bombing at 17000 feet
6 x B-29 Superfortress bombing at 17000 feet
4 x B-29 Superfortress bombing at 17000 feet
3 x B-29 Superfortress bombing at 17000 feet
9 x B-29 Superfortress bombing at 17000 feet
3 x PB4Y Liberator bombing at 17000 feet
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Day Air attack on 58th Ind.Mixed/B Brigade, at 44,50
Allied aircraft
Mosquito PR.IX x 1
P-38J Lightning x 2
F-5A Lightning x 1
F-5C Lightning x 1
PB4Y Liberator x 3
B-24J Liberator x 45
B-29 Superfortress x 31
No Allied losses
Japanese ground losses:
55 casualties reported
Guns lost 4
Aircraft Attacking:
11 x B-24J Liberator bombing at 17000 feet
3 x B-24J Liberator bombing at 17000 feet
3 x B-24J Liberator bombing at 17000 feet
11 x B-24J Liberator bombing at 17000 feet
6 x B-24J Liberator bombing at 17000 feet
6 x B-29 Superfortress bombing at 17000 feet
5 x B-29 Superfortress bombing at 17000 feet
11 x B-24J Liberator bombing at 17000 feet
3 x B-29 Superfortress bombing at 17000 feet
6 x B-29 Superfortress bombing at 17000 feet
3 x B-29 Superfortress bombing at 17000 feet
4 x B-29 Superfortress bombing at 17000 feet
4 x B-29 Superfortress bombing at 17000 feet
3 x PB4Y Liberator bombing at 17000 feet
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Day Air attack on 58th Ind.Mixed/B Brigade, at 44,50
Allied aircraft
FM-2 Wildcat x 26
F6F Hellcat x 6
F4U-1 Corsair x 11
F4U-1D Corsair x 43
SB2C Helldiver x 9
TBM Avenger x 30
F-5C Lightning x 2
P-51D Mustang x 13
PB4Y Liberator x 3
B-24J Liberator x 104
B-29 Superfortress x 44
No Allied losses
Japanese ground losses:
245 casualties reported
Guns lost 8
Aircraft Attacking:
24 x B-24J Liberator bombing at 6000 feet
15 x B-24J Liberator bombing at 6000 feet
10 x F4U-1D Corsair bombing at 2000 feet
24 x B-24J Liberator bombing at 6000 feet
13 x B-24J Liberator bombing at 6000 feet
17 x B-24J Liberator bombing at 6000 feet
11 x B-24J Liberator bombing at 6000 feet
7 x B-29 Superfortress bombing at 6000 feet
6 x B-29 Superfortress bombing at 6000 feet
3 x B-29 Superfortress bombing at 6000 feet
6 x B-29 Superfortress bombing at 6000 feet
9 x B-29 Superfortress bombing at 6000 feet
13 x B-29 Superfortress bombing at 6000 feet
10 x F4U-1D Corsair bombing at 2000 feet
13 x F4U-1D Corsair bombing at 2000 feet
6 x F6F Hellcat bombing at 2000 feet
9 x FM-2 Wildcat bombing at 2000 feet
8 x FM-2 Wildcat bombing at 2000 feet
9 x FM-2 Wildcat bombing at 2000 feet
30 x TBM Avenger bombing at 5000 feet
9 x SB2C Helldiver bombing at 2000 feet
10 x F4U-1D Corsair bombing at 2000 feet
3 x PB4Y Liberator bombing at 6000 feet
11 x F4U-1 Corsair bombing at 2000 feet
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Day Air attack on 34th Ind.Mixed/B Brigade, at 15,25
Allied aircraft
F6F Hellcat x 3
F4U-1D Corsair x 3
TBM Avenger x 3
Liberator VI x 3
P-38J Lightning x 12
No Allied losses
Japanese ground losses:
3 casualties reported
Guns lost 1
Aircraft Attacking:
3 x TBM Avenger bombing at 5000 feet
3 x Liberator VI bombing at 15000 feet
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Day Air attack on 35th/B Brigade, at 15,25
Allied aircraft
F6F Hellcat x 7
F4U-1D Corsair x 8
TBM Avenger x 5
Spitfire XIV x 8
Beaufighter VIF x 9
Liberator VI x 6
No Allied losses
Japanese ground losses:
15 casualties reported
Guns lost 1
Aircraft Attacking:
6 x Liberator VI bombing at 15000 feet
9 x Beaufighter VIF bombing at 2000 feet
5 x TBM Avenger bombing at 5000 feet
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Day Air attack on TF at 37,61
Japanese aircraft
Ki-102a Randy x 2
No Japanese losses
Allied Ships
AK John Page
Aircraft Attacking:
2 x Ki-102a Randy bombing at 2000 feet
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Day Air attack on TF at 37,61
Japanese aircraft
B7A Grace x 16
Japanese aircraft losses
B7A Grace: 2 destroyed, 7 damaged
Allied Ships
DD John Rodgers
AK Adoniram Judson
AK John Page, Torpedo hits 2, on fire, heavy damage
AK Peter Cooper Hewitt, Torpedo hits 2, on fire, heavy damage
AK Empire Rowan, Torpedo hits 1, on fire
Aircraft Attacking:
1 x B7A Grace launching torpedoes at 200 feet
2 x B7A Grace launching torpedoes at 200 feet
3 x B7A Grace launching torpedoes at 200 feet
4 x B7A Grace launching torpedoes at 200 feet
4 x B7A Grace launching torpedoes at 200 feet
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Day Air attack on TF at 37,61
Japanese aircraft
P1Y Frances x 7
Japanese aircraft losses
P1Y Frances: 4 damaged
Allied Ships
AK United Victory
AK Mary E. Kinney, Torpedo hits 1, on fire, heavy damage
AK Cape George, Torpedo hits 2, on fire, heavy damage
Aircraft Attacking:
1 x P1Y Frances launching torpedoes at 200 feet
2 x P1Y Frances launching torpedoes at 200 feet
4 x P1Y Frances launching torpedoes at 200 feet
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Day Air attack on TF at 72,34
Japanese aircraft
G4M2 Betty x 12
Ki-43-IIa Oscar x 11
Ki-48 Lily x 18
Japanese aircraft losses
Ki-48 Lily: 2 destroyed, 1 damaged
Allied Ships
AK China Victory, Bomb hits 2, Torpedo hits 2, on fire, heavy damage
Aircraft Attacking:
2 x Ki-48 Lily bombing at 3000 feet
4 x G4M2 Betty launching torpedoes at 200 feet
3 x Ki-48 Lily bombing at 3000 feet
3 x Ki-48 Lily bombing at 3000 feet
4 x Ki-48 Lily bombing at 3000 feet
4 x Ki-48 Lily bombing at 3000 feet
4 x G4M2 Betty launching torpedoes at 200 feet
4 x G4M2 Betty launching torpedoes at 200 feet
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Day Air attack on TF at 72,34
Japanese aircraft
G4M2 Betty x 13
Ki-102a Randy x 7
Japanese aircraft losses
G4M2 Betty: 1 destroyed, 5 damaged
Allied Ships
TK S.C.T. Todd, Torpedo hits 3, on fire, heavy damage
Aircraft Attacking:
1 x G4M2 Betty launching torpedoes at 200 feet
4 x G4M2 Betty launching torpedoes at 200 feet
3 x G4M2 Betty launching torpedoes at 200 feet
4 x G4M2 Betty launching torpedoes at 200 feet
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Day Air attack on TF at 72,35
Japanese aircraft
G4M2 Betty x 9
Japanese aircraft losses
G4M2 Betty: 5 damaged
Allied Ships
AK Philip Doddridge, Torpedo hits 2, on fire, heavy damage
Aircraft Attacking:
1 x G4M2 Betty launching torpedoes at 200 feet
4 x G4M2 Betty launching torpedoes at 200 feet
4 x G4M2 Betty launching torpedoes at 200 feet
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Day Air attack on TF at 37,61
Japanese aircraft
Ki-102a Randy x 18
Japanese aircraft losses
Ki-102a Randy: 2 damaged
Allied Ships
AK Cape Faro
AK Norse Carrier
DD John Rodgers
AK San Vincente
AK Empire Impala
Aircraft Attacking:
4 x Ki-102a Randy bombing at 2000 feet
2 x Ki-102a Randy bombing at 2000 feet
4 x Ki-102a Randy bombing at 2000 feet
4 x Ki-102a Randy bombing at 2000 feet
4 x Ki-102a Randy bombing at 2000 feet
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Day Air attack on TF at 37,61
Japanese aircraft
B7A Grace x 7
Japanese aircraft losses
B7A Grace: 7 damaged
Allied Ships
AK Peter Lassen
AK Charlotte Cushman
Aircraft Attacking:
3 x B7A Grace launching torpedoes at 200 feet
4 x B7A Grace launching torpedoes at 200 feet
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Day Air attack on TF at 37,61
Japanese aircraft
P1Y Frances x 3
Japanese aircraft losses
P1Y Frances: 1 destroyed, 1 damaged
Allied Ships
AK Golden Gate
Aircraft Attacking:
2 x P1Y Frances launching torpedoes at 200 feet
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Day Air attack on TF at 72,35
Japanese aircraft
G4M2 Betty x 11
Japanese aircraft losses
G4M2 Betty: 5 damaged
Allied Ships
AK Henry L. Abott
Aircraft Attacking:
3 x G4M2 Betty launching torpedoes at 200 feet
4 x G4M2 Betty launching torpedoes at 200 feet
4 x G4M2 Betty launching torpedoes at 200 feet
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Day Air attack on TF at 72,35
Japanese aircraft
P1Y Frances x 3
Japanese aircraft losses
P1Y Frances: 1 destroyed
Allied Ships
AK Ransom A. Moore
Aircraft Attacking:
2 x P1Y Frances launching torpedoes at 200 feet
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Day Air attack on TF at 72,34
Japanese aircraft
G4M2 Betty x 3
Japanese aircraft losses
G4M2 Betty: 3 damaged
Allied Ships
APD Harry L. Corl
Aircraft Attacking:
3 x G4M2 Betty launching torpedoes at 200 feet
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Ground combat at Tabun-Nur
Japanese Shock attack
Attacking force 51250 troops, 584 guns, 14 vehicles, Assault Value = 1023
Defending force 3113 troops, 2 guns, 0 vehicles, Assault Value = 97
Japanese max assault: 1278 - adjusted assault: 1514
Allied max defense: 65 - adjusted defense: 52
Japanese assault odds: 29 to 1
Japanese ground losses:
159 casualties reported
Guns lost 9
Allied ground losses:
122 casualties reported
Guns lost 2
Defeated Allied Units Retreating!
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Ground combat at Jehol
Japanese Deliberate attack
Attacking force 16156 troops, 208 guns, 0 vehicles, Assault Value = 330
Defending force 2186 troops, 0 guns, 0 vehicles, Assault Value = 87
Japanese engineers reduce fortifications to 6
Japanese max assault: 345 - adjusted assault: 306
Allied max defense: 80 - adjusted defense: 3
Japanese assault odds: 102 to 1 (fort level 6)
Japanese forces CAPTURE Jehol base !!!
Allied aircraft
no flights
Allied aircraft losses
P-40N Warhawk: 1 destroyed
Japanese ground losses:
82 casualties reported
Guns lost 5
Allied ground losses:
3321 casualties reported
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Ground combat at Hailar
Allied Shock attack
Attacking force 93961 troops, 969 guns, 232 vehicles, Assault Value = 2334
Defending force 1617 troops, 13 guns, 0 vehicles, Assault Value = 34
Allied engineers reduce fortifications to 7
Allied max assault: 4992 - adjusted assault: 7196
Japanese max defense: 37 - adjusted defense: 1
Allied assault odds: 7196 to 1 (fort level 7)
Allied forces CAPTURE Hailar base !!!
Japanese ground losses:
649 casualties reported
Guns lost 9
Allied ground losses:
31 casualties reported
Guns lost 2
Defeated Japanese Units Retreating!
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Ground combat at Heiho
Allied Shock attack
Attacking force 111087 troops, 1277 guns, 138 vehicles, Assault Value = 2200
Defending force 735 troops, 1 guns, 0 vehicles, Assault Value = 8
Allied max assault: 3072 - adjusted assault: 1255
Japanese max defense: 5 - adjusted defense: 1
Allied assault odds: 1255 to 1 (fort level 1)
Allied forces CAPTURE Heiho base !!!
Japanese ground losses:
212 casualties reported
Defeated Japanese Units Retreating!
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Ground combat at Mishan
Allied Shock attack
Attacking force 57171 troops, 755 guns, 109 vehicles, Assault Value = 1173
Defending force 1650 troops, 14 guns, 0 vehicles, Assault Value = 35
Allied max assault: 2456 - adjusted assault: 434
Japanese max defense: 37 - adjusted defense: 15
Allied assault odds: 28 to 1 (fort level 9)
Allied forces CAPTURE Mishan base !!!
Japanese ground losses:
257 casualties reported
Guns lost 9
Allied ground losses:
291 casualties reported
Guns lost 11
Vehicles lost 5
Defeated Japanese Units Retreating!
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Ground combat at San Marcelino
Allied Bombardment attack
Attacking force 29575 troops, 262 guns, 0 vehicles, Assault Value = 753
Defending force 4314 troops, 10 guns, 0 vehicles, Assault Value = 83
Japanese ground losses:
33 casualties reported
Guns lost 1
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Ground combat at Lingayen
Allied Bombardment attack
Attacking force 126143 troops, 1195 guns, 0 vehicles, Assault Value = 2525
Defending force 46605 troops, 189 guns, 0 vehicles, Assault Value = 855
Japanese ground losses:
71 casualties reported
Guns lost 1
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Ground combat at Bataan
Allied Bombardment attack
Attacking force 6660 troops, 198 guns, 0 vehicles, Assault Value = 2702
Defending force 75008 troops, 137 guns, 117 vehicles, Assault Value = 1255
Japanese ground losses:
151 casualties reported
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Ground combat at Trimcomalee
Allied Shock attack
Attacking force 23437 troops, 75 guns, 364 vehicles, Assault Value = 516
Defending force 7816 troops, 0 guns, 0 vehicles, Assault Value = 69
Allied max assault: 858 - adjusted assault: 297
Japanese max defense: 47 - adjusted defense: 53
Allied assault odds: 5 to 1
Japanese ground losses:
73 casualties reported
Allied ground losses:
120 casualties reported
Guns lost 1
Vehicles lost 1
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Ground combat at Naga
Allied Bombardment attack
Attacking force 13369 troops, 120 guns, 0 vehicles, Assault Value = 307
Defending force 18649 troops, 84 guns, 0 vehicles, Assault Value = 244
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Ground combat at 45,50
Allied Shock attack
Attacking force 3204 troops, 78 guns, 8 vehicles, Assault Value = 22
Defending force 660 troops, 0 guns, 0 vehicles, Assault Value = 1
Allied max assault: 40 - adjusted assault: 70
Japanese max defense: 0 - adjusted defense: 1
Allied assault odds: 70 to 1
Japanese ground losses:
999 casualties reported
RE: March of the Red Death
Just a thought ahead to the HI invasion, but would an a-bomb strike on the landing zone the turn before be useful? This would probably only hold if the LZ was a desirable economic target as well, but I'd like to see the effetcs of an a-bomb strike on a concentration of 100-200K troops and then see you hit them with a concentrated invasion force
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Kereguelen
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RE: March of the Red Death
Andy,
stop those shock attacks against already defeated enemy troops. You're only disabling your own troops, there is no benefit from reaching a 118:1 vs. a 2:1 (against troops without forts). Actually you should even bombard enemy troops for some turns once you have defeated them and then you can just do a deliberate attack against them.
K
stop those shock attacks against already defeated enemy troops. You're only disabling your own troops, there is no benefit from reaching a 118:1 vs. a 2:1 (against troops without forts). Actually you should even bombard enemy troops for some turns once you have defeated them and then you can just do a deliberate attack against them.
K
RE: March of the Red Death
I thought I had to get my odds up to destroy them I need to get rid of them fast !!!
(also I dont like my Fighters gaining experience in this way - it feels to much like cheating so as soon as I can get rid of the holdouts I will no training camps wipe em out - exterminate them as soon as possible !!!!) .
Plus most of the Infantry is now withdrawing to Clark to rest leaving just Arty and Armour so shock attacks work best for Amrour.
Andy
(also I dont like my Fighters gaining experience in this way - it feels to much like cheating so as soon as I can get rid of the holdouts I will no training camps wipe em out - exterminate them as soon as possible !!!!) .
Plus most of the Infantry is now withdrawing to Clark to rest leaving just Arty and Armour so shock attacks work best for Amrour.
Andy
RE: March of the Red Death
OK a few points on Manchuria
I stopped the thrust West from Vladivostock and sent the forces North instead.
Two of my thrusts are in the mountains where PZB has concentrated a large number of troops at a base so x12 defender multiple - I have no intention of attacking these bases - lvl 9 forts plus mountains = impossible to take even for the Soviets so I am not going to waste my time.
Of the 5 routes to central Manchuria 2 are protected by mountainous bases and will be invested but not attacked.
The other 3 will converge on central manchuria flanking the other 2 bases and forcing a withdrawal - I have no intention of throwing away good troops on an unwinnable fight that would wreck my speahead.
(In fact as soon as I am in the clear in the centre and converging on Harbin I will divert the majority of the forces committed to the two mountainous bases into the centre as 2nd Echelon troops.
Andy
Andy
I stopped the thrust West from Vladivostock and sent the forces North instead.
Two of my thrusts are in the mountains where PZB has concentrated a large number of troops at a base so x12 defender multiple - I have no intention of attacking these bases - lvl 9 forts plus mountains = impossible to take even for the Soviets so I am not going to waste my time.
Of the 5 routes to central Manchuria 2 are protected by mountainous bases and will be invested but not attacked.
The other 3 will converge on central manchuria flanking the other 2 bases and forcing a withdrawal - I have no intention of throwing away good troops on an unwinnable fight that would wreck my speahead.
(In fact as soon as I am in the clear in the centre and converging on Harbin I will divert the majority of the forces committed to the two mountainous bases into the centre as 2nd Echelon troops.
Andy
Andy
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Kereguelen
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RE: March of the Red Death
ORIGINAL: Andy Mac
I thought I had to get my odds up to destroy them I need to get rid of them fast !!!
(also I dont like my Fighters gaining experience in this way - it feels to much like cheating so as soon as I can get rid of the holdouts I will no training camps wipe em out - exterminate them as soon as possible !!!!) .
Plus most of the Infantry is now withdrawing to Clark to rest leaving just Arty and Armour so shock attacks work best for Amrour.
Andy
I was talking about artillery bombardments (additionally having bombers on ground attack does help, of course). The trick is to disable as many Japanese combat squads as possible to force them to surrender/banzai. To do this, very high odds are not neccessary. You'll (basically) disable as many enemy squads with artillery bombardments as with shock attacks (without disabling your own squads/devices in the process). Do artillery bombardments for 3-5 turns and then do a deliberate attack. Should work faster than shock attacks (because you'll attack with more functional devices = causing higher casualties = more disabled Japanese squads = better odds to have them surrender/banzai).
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Gen.Hoepner
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RE: March of the Red Death
I agree. Bombarment+deliberate attacks are far more usefull in this kind of situation
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Kereguelen
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RE: March of the Red Death
ORIGINAL: Andy Mac
OK a few points on Manchuria
I stopped the thrust West from Vladivostock and sent the forces North instead.
Two of my thrusts are in the mountains where PZB has concentrated a large number of troops at a base so x12 defender multiple - I have no intention of attacking these bases - lvl 9 forts plus mountains = impossible to take even for the Soviets so I am not going to waste my time.
Of the 5 routes to central Manchuria 2 are protected by mountainous bases and will be invested but not attacked.
The other 3 will converge on central manchuria flanking the other 2 bases and forcing a withdrawal - I have no intention of throwing away good troops on an unwinnable fight that would wreck my speahead.
(In fact as soon as I am in the clear in the centre and converging on Harbin I will divert the majority of the forces committed to the two mountainous bases into the centre as 2nd Echelon troops.
Andy
Andy
x3 for mountains + x3 for level 9 forts = x6 defense multiplier.
Nevertheless, better to isolate them first.
RE: March of the Red Death
ORIGINAL: Kereguelen
ORIGINAL: Andy Mac
OK a few points on Manchuria
I stopped the thrust West from Vladivostock and sent the forces North instead.
Two of my thrusts are in the mountains where PZB has concentrated a large number of troops at a base so x12 defender multiple - I have no intention of attacking these bases - lvl 9 forts plus mountains = impossible to take even for the Soviets so I am not going to waste my time.
Of the 5 routes to central Manchuria 2 are protected by mountainous bases and will be invested but not attacked.
The other 3 will converge on central manchuria flanking the other 2 bases and forcing a withdrawal - I have no intention of throwing away good troops on an unwinnable fight that would wreck my speahead.
(In fact as soon as I am in the clear in the centre and converging on Harbin I will divert the majority of the forces committed to the two mountainous bases into the centre as 2nd Echelon troops.
Andy
Andy
x3 for mountains + x3 for level 9 forts = x6 defense multiplier.
Nevertheless, better to isolate them first.
Wouldn't it be multiplicative? 3x X 3x = 9x