Thread for DB3000 database problems, updates or issues

[skjold89]

No clue how i managed to double post.

[orca]

[NOT ENOUGH INFO]

can you add DF-26 ASBM variant? Maybe added as hypothetical for now?

http://www.janes.com/article/53994/df-2 ... ber-parade

[Hongjian]

[NOT ENOUGH INFO]

ORIGINAL: orca

can you add DF-26 ASBM variant? Maybe added as hypothetical for now?

http://www.janes.com/article/53994/df-2 ... ber-parade

DF-26 is an ASBM first and foremost. Precision guided conventional strike is merely a nice byproduct of a MARV that has to be capable of terminal guidance and evasive maneuvering.

An interesting hypothetical weapon to include would rather be the Wu-14 Hypersonic Glide Vehicle, also designated as DF-ZF, which is still in the testing phase.

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/WU-14

The 4th and 5th test confirmed that it had the capability to perform 'extreme menuvers' and 'evasive actions' - presumable during its mid-course cruise (4th test) and terminal reentry phase (5th test) as well.

http://freebeacon.com/national-security ... e-vehicle/
http://freebeacon.com/national-security ... e-vehicle/

Compared to the traditional ballistic missile with MARV which is only maneuverable during its terminal reentry phase, where the RV has seperated from the 'bus' that was carrying it into orbit, but still maintained a predictable and vulnerable ballistic trajectory during mid-course phase, the Wu-14/DF-ZF HGV seperates from its carrier missile as soon as leaving the boost-stage to glide on a flat, non-ballistic trajectory for its entire mid-course phase. The HGV would perform pull-up and other evasive maneuvers on its glide-phase, designed to make it less predictable and less susceptible to mid-course ABM systems. The mid-course cruise also would happen at an altitude-gap between the minimum engagement altitude of a mid-course ABM (such as SM-3) and above the maximum engagement altitude of a long range SAM system (such as SM-6). During the terminal descent, the Wu-14 would again pull off evasive maneuvering to defeat terminal-phase ABM systems (THAAD).

The US will respond to this development with the deployment of extended-range THAAD-ER, which covers the altitude-gap between SM-6/PAC-3 and SM-3 that the Wu-14 HGV will exploit. But this is merely a stop-gap, by their own words, until directed energy weapons and railguns would provide a more reliable means to defend against the Wu-14:

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Terminal_ ... ea_Defense

THAAD-ER[edit]
Lockheed is pushing for funding for the development of an ER version of the THAAD to counter maturing threats posed by hypersonic glide vehicles adversaries may employ, namely the Chinese WU-14, to penetrate the gap between low and high-altitude missile defenses. The company performed static fire trials of a prototype modified THAAD second booster in 2006 and continued to self-fund the project until 2008. The current 14.5 in (37 cm)-diameter single-stage booster design would be expanded to a 21 in (53 cm) first stage for greater range with a second "kick stage" to close the distance to the target and provide improved velocity at burnout and more lateral movement during an engagement. Although the kill vehicle would not need a redesign, the ground-based launcher would have to be modified with a decreased interceptor capacity from eight to five. Currently, THAAD-ER is an industry concept and not a program of record, but Lockheed believes the Missile Defense Agency will show interest because of the threats under development by potential adversaries.[18] If funding for the THAAD-ER began in 2018, a fielded product could be produced in 2022. Although the system could provide some capability against a rudimentary hypersonic threat, the Pentagon is researching other technologies like directed energy weapons and railguns to be optimal solutions. Therefore, the THAAD-ER would be an interim measure to counter the emerging threat until laser and railgun systems capable of performing missile defense come online, expected in the mid to late-2020s.[19]

[Dysta]

Or easier way -- add surface ships as targetable subjects for DF-26, no need to separate two variants since it is still not yet confirmed whether it is defined by different warhead, or having multi-purpose capability.

[Stratos_MatrixForum]

[quote]ORIGINAL: Stratos


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DEVELOPER'S NOTE: Database development slow-down!

Hey guys,

Just wanted to let you know that I have now re-directed my limited Command time (which is squeezed inbetween family life, day-job, workout, and various other interests) to write code. My code contributions have been rather limited lately and I need to add several new features and fix a few bugs before I can start working on the Advanced Strike Planner.

This means I will only fix reported errors/inaccuracies in existing platforms and only make critical additions, i.e. units needed for a scenario currently under construction. Nice-to-have stuff (that no-one will ever use in a scenario anyway haha) will not be added.

If there is anything you consider extremely important (...enough to justify spending time on adding / fixing, rather than having me working on code) then feel feee to post. If not then you'll find me burried deep down in the Command game engine.

Thanks! [:D]
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Well I'm working on a scenario for Uruguay, is my first one so don't know how much will took to complete it.

[e2204588]

[UPDATED DB v441]

3M-14 Kalibr for Gepard class and Buyan Mod class

https://www.rt.com/news/317864-russian- ... es-launch/

[Rongor]

[UPDATED DB v441]

To bring some additional light into the Klub/Kalibr CM issue:
There is the 3M-54 family, these are anti-ship-missiles.
The 3M-14 family is the dedicated land targeting version.
Exact performance data is impossible to find, these are highly classified.

Since today, the 3M-14 is reported to have a range of 2600 km. This affects the russian ship classes Pr.21631 (Buyan-M corvettes) and Pr. 11661 ("Gepard-class") Dagestan guard ship, which all need a VLS housing 8 canisters of that long range 3M-14.

Btw, the Bulava SLBM is not a 3M-14 as some western websites confusingly tell, the Bulava is a 3M-30.
Also notice that not all of the 3M-14 / 3M-54 versions have a NATO designation (yet). This also adds to confusion.

[Vici Supreme]

[UPDATED DB v441]

ORIGINAL: fool12342000

3M-14 Kalibr for Gepard class and Buyan Mod class

https://www.rt.com/news/317864-russian- ... es-launch/

The missile is already in the DB. You can add them to the ships yourself using the editor.

ORIGINAL: Rongor

Since today, the 3M-14 is reported to have a range of 2600 km. This affects the russian ship classes Pr.21631 (Buyan-M corvettes) and Pr. 11661 ("Gepard-class") Dagestan guard ship, which all need a VLS housing 8 canisters of that long range 3M-14.

+1

An eight-shot missile record of the 3M14 Kalibr should be added to the UKSK launcher of both platforms! Not now of course but when you guys get back to database stuff.

[Rongor]

[UPDATED DB v441]

[NOTE! SS-N-25 FIT SEEMS CORRECT ON ORIGINAL PLATFORM. ARE YOU USING DB v440?]

I wanna add that adding the current 3M14 by using the editor will not generate the weapon we learned of yesterday. You can put the 3M14 (which are named "Klub" in the db, despite being "Kalibr") into the SS-N-27 VLS mount. You will have to select the single 3M14 mounts. If you select the bunch of 12, they will have a ROF of 120 seconds and as we witnessed yesterday the ROF was one every 4 seconds or so.

To give a overview:
GRAU NAME NATO NOTES
3M55 Oniks SS-N-26 Strobile Anti-ship
3M54 Klub SS-N-27 Sizzler Anti-ship
3M14 Kalibr SS-N-30 Land attack, export versions may also be named Klub
if there is a desire to break it down even further:
Klub-S sub launched Klub
Klub-N ship launched Klub
Klub-A air launched Klub

The VLS weapon mount should be named "UKSK" and be able to host the 3M54, the 3M14 and Indian Brahmos, which is based on the 3M55. In the current DB, the Brahmos has already a dedicated VLS.
The UKSK should be available as 8, 4 and 2 canister version.



Regarding the affected ship classes:
ID439, Pr.11661K doesn't have those 2 x SS-N-25 Switchblade quadruple mounts. These are only aboard the exported Vietnamese Pr.11661E (ID2567) and the historical Pr.11660 (out of service 1993, not in the DB)
Instead there should be 2 UKSK VLS quad mounts.
ID2410, Pr. 21631, currently has a SS-N-27 VLS. Should be changed to a "UKSK" hosting 8 long ranged 3M14.

Summary:
Both the "UKSK" and the long ranged 3M14 aren't currently in the DB. The UKSK can be simulated by the "SS-N-27 VLS", only a workaround for the 2600 km ranged 3M14 is missing.
Ship ID439 needs correction addressing the SS-N-25 mounts, which need to be replaced by a UKSK VLS.
Ship ID2410 should get a "UKSK" mount instead of the current "SS-N-27 VLS". This UKSK should host the SS-N-30, 3M14.

[Triode]

[UPDATED DB v441]

ORIGINAL: Rongor

2600 km ranged 3M14

Only nuclear 3M14 have range 2600 km
range of conventional 3M14 is 1400-1500 km (depending on source)
as for UKSK , well:

fb.asp?m=3722877

also about affected ship classes, it is not only projects 1166K("Dagestan")and 21631 but also 11356 ,20385, 22350
modernized 11442M "Nakhimov" and modernized project 949AM submarines (in other words all ships with UKSK)

[Broncepulido]

[NEED MORE INFO]

Su-30SM (in service 2014+) should be equipped with SS-N-26 Strobile/P-800 Oniks (Kh-61 variant) air-launched anti-ship missile (discovered a few minute ago perousing the Russia Wikipedia for updated data on missiles). Perhaps is only employed by the Russian Navy Su-30SM and not by the Russian Air Force.

As stated in the Russian Wikipedia, loadout as in the Su-30MKI, a maximum of three missiles (The Russian Wikipedia also says Indian Tu-142 are equipped with 6xBrahmos, but I doubt it very much:
http://www.bharat-rakshak.com/NAVY/weap ... u142m.html ).

What you think about both issues, Triode?

Source:
https://ru.wikipedia.org/wiki/О&# ... %82%D0%B0)


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Су-30СМ — 35 в 2014 году. Аналогичны по количеству ракет Су-30МКИ
Su-30 cm-35 in the year 2014. The same number of missiles, the Su-30mki (automatic translator, it means "Su-35SM - 35 en el año 2014. Same number of missiles as in Su-30MKI" (three missiles)).
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БраМос-А: на Су-30МКИ (до 3 ракет) и Ту-142 (до 6)
БПРК с ракетами «БраМос»
Brahmos-a: Su-30mki (up to 3 missiles), Tu-142 (up to 6)/missile "Brahmos".

[Triode]

Well, about air lauched Brahmos/Oniks , this is my very theoretical thoughts,


Su-30MKI cant have loadouts with 3 Brahmos/Oniks , air launched variant have weight 2500 kg + some kind of heavy MBDZ (something like 300-400 kg)
http://bastion-karpenko.narod.ru/Yahont ... 003_20.jpg
http://bastion-karpenko.narod.ru/Yahont ... 003_23.jpg

"heavy" points on Su-30 wing can take only 1700kg so ,obviosly no Brahmos on wing pylons
only place where Brahmos theoreticaly can be placed is two centerline pylons and only if second pylon can also take 1700kg ( in loadouts schemes it is only something like 1000kg)
of course there is talks about Su-30MKI with "strenghten airframe" (based on Su-35S) but so far it is only words

So, for "baseline" Su-30MKI/Su-30SM Brahmos/Oniks is very theoretical thing

As for Tu-142 , this plane recive "Novella" upgrade and in this upgrade there possible integration of Kh-35U missile
of course Russian Navy can continue save money and dont give missile to Tu-142 at all
I never heard about plans of integration of Oniks missile on Tu-142

[Broncepulido]

Thanks Triode, more or less my same thoughts (I'm for some years "reading" Russian on this issues, but "cheating" with translator and later aiding the translator with the technical words, but obviously I'm not fluent in Russian). Go on with your interesting and valuable researchs!

[Schr75]

[ADDED DB v441]

Loadout request.

This is low priority, but I would like to see the AGM-158C LRASM on the A-12 Avenger.

Søren

[ComDev]

Thanks!

Have updated the SA-23 and given the central FCR 48 datalink channels (Grill Pan [9S32M]). However the system is still limited by the number of illuminators (one per TEL) and there must be an illuminator available to provide terminal guidance. If no illuminator is available when a missile requests one, the weapon will overshoot its target.

The SA-17 datalink is a per-TELAR datalink rather than a centralized system. As such, a SA-17 unit can fire all weapons simultaneously [8D]

ORIGINAL: seaman

Hello fellow. Checking the catalog of export of systems of Defense air of ROSOBORONEXPORT, I have observed some points to correct DB3000 database.
For example the number of simultaneous channels in systems:
-S-300VM. 12 channels according to BD3000. 24 according to ROSOBORONEXPORT.
-BUK-M2E. 4 channels according to BD3000. 6 according to ROSOBORONEXPORT.






http://www.mediafire.com/?0wobrnne62i8ic7

Best regards.

[ComDev]

So the database is correct, yes?

Thanks!

ORIGINAL: Triode

ORIGINAL: KLAB

Ref two current or soon (???) to be in service Russian surface vessels, there appear to be issues with the numbers and types of AAW systems, could the DB be amended please?

#2815 & #2305 SKR ADMIRAL GRIGOROVICH [Pr.1135.6M]

VLS for the 3S90M (SA-N-12 Grizzly)appears to be 36 cell not 24, (3 blocks of 12 close together in foredeck).


Regards
Karl

reality check :

0:09 , 0:12 12x2=24 "Shtil" VLS cells for "Grigorovich"
https://www.youtube.com/watch?t=9&v=PzLnKVXqE6I

[ComDev]

Very interesting, but seems there is only 'a desire' to get them operational? Hmm dunno what to do here, really...

ORIGINAL: Mgellis


150-kw laser loadout for the Predator C.

Please, please figure out how to get this into the next version of the database! Seriously...flying killer robots with lasers. What's not to love?

It looks like this one is designed to hit ground targets as well as surface naval targets. Maybe for an initial version, until more data is available, just use the COIL as a template but add ground targets to the list of possible targets?

http://www.defensereview.com/new-laser- ... ing-laser/

I'm not sure how the 80-kw gatling laser is meant to be used...is it for ground vehicles in the AAA role?

May I also suggest, for hypothetical platforms, the ACL-130X Thor (i.e., a C-130 armed with a couple of these lasers...it's got enough space onboard for the power system) and maybe even the MVL-22X Osprey Terminator (i.e., an Osprey with all its cargo space eliminated so it can carry the power system for one laser...just the thing for taking off from an amphibious warfare ship, flying in low and fast, and taking out a few terrorists)?

Thanks for considering these ideas.

to hit ground targets as well as surface naval targets.

[ComDev]

This seems to be a concept only, not an operational loadout [8D]

ORIGINAL: Excroat3

New loadout for MQ-9:

https://www.flightglobal.com/news/articles/new-maritime-capability-developed-for-mq-9-417133/

[ComDev]

The modern types are already there, have assigned the old ones to Paul. Have made some minor mods here-and-there.

Thanks! [8D]

ORIGINAL: conforoa

Not recent French Strategic Missile in DB [X(]
For all (another in french [:D])

MSBS M4A

MSBS M4B

MSBS M45

and the most recent MSBS M51

[ComDev]

Added, thanks!

ORIGINAL: Stratos

Ok, a couple of platforms for Uruguay.

First the Pilatus Pc-7. the Uruguayan Pilatus were received in 1992 for a total of 6 machines. Working in dual role for trainer/light attack they were usually armed with 2x7.62 MAG MG pods + 2 LAU rocket pods with 7 2'75" rockets each. Can carry drop tanks as well

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The Ia-58 Pucarà, armed the same as they argentinian brothers with the usual mix of mg pods, rockets and bombs, received in late 1980. 6 in number.



And finally the Westland Wessex received during the 90's. Cannot found the exact number, but can be six AFAIK of HC.2 version for both the navy and air force users, there's one in action still in the navy.