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RE: Biggest carrier vs LBA dogfight EVER!!

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Told Andy that half his army landed in the swamps and he errrred a bit and wondered whether
it was caused by game mechanics. So I sent him the turn to check it out.

Said I'd be pleased to replay the turn and get my 500 ac back [;)]

This is what he landed in one turn: Woefully little actually....

Ground combat at Wasile
 
Japanese Bombardment attack
 
Attacking force 12238 troops, 167 guns, 0 vehicles, Assault Value = 309
 
Defending force 6838 troops, 45 guns, 56 vehicles, Assault Value = 73
 
Japanese ground losses:
4 casualties reported
Guns lost 1
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RE: Biggest carrier vs LBA dogfight EVER!!

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Night-time surface strikes into the invasion transports/ covering TFs seems to be something which could give excellent returns.
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RE: Biggest carrier vs LBA dogfight EVER!!

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Yes Nemo, very tempting...but Andy got 500 bombers on his birdfarms and if I stage too close or he moves
towards my fleet - it's gone!

It seems like Andy unloaded the bulk of his assault force in the beach hex before Wasile. He said it looks like a
mishap and not a game mechanics fault. We will continue the show.

Andy is going to have to move his 30k troops from the beach and to Wasile under cover of his carriers.
I'm not sure how to respond. The 800 remaining attack ac and fighters in the area are valuable to me, and I don't want
to risk them unless I think something can be achieved.

6 subs are enroute to the area with torps and mines. The ac ashore will rest and await an opportunity while reserves are
moved in from China and the Home Islands. The Navy will stand-by and be prepared to sortie, got 20 destroyers and 3 cruisers
in Tokyo, will consider to send them as well.

A special convoy will be sent to Jaluit to pick up the 55th Div that was teleported there. Will only pick up 90% of it
and hope it doesn't go back when unloaded. Fought this nasty bug before with little luck.
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RE: Biggest carrier vs LBA dogfight EVER!!

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Posted details in Andy's thread, but there is (or at least was) a bug where if a transport TF has as a destination a dot base, it will unload during the night phase even if "do not unload" is set.

Ran into this many revs back; sent in a save but never heard that it was fixed.
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AFTER ACTION REPORTS FOR 04/06/44

Invasions

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TF 1182 encounters mine field at Wasile (41,69)

Allied Ships
DD Kidd, Mine hits 1, on fire - sub laid mine
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TF 1060 encounters mine field at Wasile (41,69)
TF 1060 troops unloading over beach at Wasile, 41,69

Allied Ships
MSW Bunbury
MSW Grebe
MSW Bendigo
LCM 543B, Mine hits 1, on fire, heavy damage

Coastal Guns at Wasile, 41,69, firing at TF 1060
101 Coastal gun shots fired in defense.
Allied Ships
LCM 592C, Shell hits 3
CA Canberra, Shell hits 1
LSV Catskill, Shell hits 15

Allied ground losses:
270 casualties reported
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TF 1060 encounters mine field at Wasile (41,69)
TF 1060 troops unloading over beach at Wasile, 41,69

Allied Ships
MSW Bunbury
MSW Grebe
MSW Bendigo

Coastal Guns at Wasile, 41,69, firing at TF 1060
20 Coastal gun shots fired in defense.
Allied Ships
LCI(G) LCI-65

Allied ground losses:
164 casualties reported
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TF 1072 encounters mine field at Wasile (41,69)
TF 1072 troops unloading over beach at Wasile, 41,69

Allied Ships
MSW Bobolink
MSW Velocity
MSW Tumult
MSW Triumph
DE Spangler
DE Manning
DD William Porter
DD Abbot
AK Liberty Glo, Mine hits 1, on fire, heavy damage

Coastal Guns at Wasile, 41,69, firing at TF 1072

Allied ground losses:
63 casualties reported
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TF 1086 encounters mine field at Wasile (41,69)
TF 1086 troops unloading over beach at Wasile, 41,69

Allied Ships
DD Bell
DD Beale

Coastal Guns at Wasile, 41,69, firing at TF 1086
20 Coastal gun shots fired in defense.
Allied Ships
LCVP 593Q

Allied ground losses:
114 casualties reported
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Surface Combat

Sent in a recon boat...

Night Time Surface Combat, near Wasile at 41,69

Japanese Ships
PT Gyoraitei #1, Shell hits 3, and is sunk

Allied Ships
BB Iowa
BB New Jersey
CL Boise
CA Louisville
CA Astoria
CA Chester
CL Montpelier
CL Santa Fe
CL Birmingham
CA Chicago
DD Dyson
DD Eaton
DD Foote
DD Franks
DD Gatling
DMS Palmer
DMS Howard
DMS Chandler
DMS Elliot
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Bombardments

Naval bombardment of Wasile, at 41,69

Allied Ships
CA Chicago
CL Birmingham
CL Santa Fe
CL Montpelier
CA Chester
CA Astoria
CA Louisville
CL Boise
BB New Jersey
BB Iowa

Japanese ground losses:
166 casualties reported
Guns lost 12
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Air Combat

Todays split attacks was a complete disaster. So here you see that small raids are
completely useless.

Day Air attack on Wasile , at 41,69

Japanese aircraft
A6M5 Zeke x 1
J1N1-S Irving x 17

Allied aircraft
P-38J Lightning x 201
F-5C Lightning x 6
PB4Y Liberator x 21
B-24J Liberator x 55

Japanese aircraft losses
A6M5 Zeke: 1 destroyed
J1N1-S Irving: 27 destroyed

Japanese ground losses:
18 casualties reported

Airbase hits 8
Airbase supply hits 8
Runway hits 74
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Day Air attack on Sorong , at 42,74

Japanese aircraft
no flights

Allied aircraft
B-24J Liberator x 34

Japanese aircraft losses
B6N Jill: 1 destroyed
Ki-46-III Dinah: 1 destroyed

Allied aircraft losses
B-24J Liberator: 1 damaged

Airbase hits 3
Airbase supply hits 5
Runway hits 31
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Day Air attack on Biak , at 46,77

Japanese aircraft
no flights

Allied aircraft
P-40N Warhawk x 9
P-47D Thunderbolt x 15
A-20G Havoc x 14
B-25J Mitchell x 33

Japanese aircraft losses
L2D2 Tabby: 1 destroyed

Allied aircraft losses
A-20G Havoc: 1 damaged
B-25J Mitchell: 5 damaged

Japanese ground losses:
16 casualties reported

Airbase hits 7
Airbase supply hits 2
Runway hits 41
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Day Air attack on Sansapor , at 44,74

Japanese aircraft
Ki-43-IIa Oscar x 8

Allied aircraft
B-24J Liberator x 70

Japanese aircraft losses
Ki-43-IIa Oscar: 3 damaged
L2D2 Tabby: 10 destroyed
Ki-57-II Topsy: 1 destroyed

Allied aircraft losses
B-24J Liberator: 2 damaged

Japanese ground losses:
6 casualties reported

Airbase hits 8
Airbase supply hits 8
Runway hits 39
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Day Air attack on TF, near Wasile at 41,69

Japanese aircraft
A6M2 Zero x 3
Ki-43-IIa Oscar x 6
Ki-21 Sally x 8

Allied aircraft
FM-2 Wildcat x 73
F6F Hellcat x 186
Corsair IV x 11

Japanese aircraft losses
A6M2 Zero: 3 destroyed
Ki-43-IIa Oscar: 6 destroyed
Ki-21 Sally: 1 destroyed

Allied aircraft losses
F6F Hellcat: 2 destroyed
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Day Air attack on TF, near Wasile at 41,69

Japanese aircraft
A6M2 Zero x 8
Ki-43-IIa Oscar x 22
Ki-21 Sally x 11

Allied aircraft
FM-2 Wildcat x 73
F6F Hellcat x 184
Corsair IV x 11

Japanese aircraft losses
A6M2 Zero: 8 destroyed
Ki-43-IIa Oscar: 22 destroyed
Ki-21 Sally: 11 destroyed

Allied aircraft losses
F6F Hellcat: 2 destroyed, 7 damaged
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Day Air attack on TF, near Wasile at 41,69

Japanese aircraft
A6M2 Zero x 15
G4M1 Betty x 3
G4M2 Betty x 45
P1Y Frances x 18
Ki-43-IIa Oscar x 91
Ki-21 Sally x 30
Ki-49 Helen x 8

Allied aircraft
FM-2 Wildcat x 73
F6F Hellcat x 182
Corsair IV x 11

Japanese aircraft losses
A6M2 Zero: 15 destroyed
G4M1 Betty: 3 destroyed
G4M2 Betty: 45 destroyed
P1Y Frances: 18 destroyed
Ki-43-IIa Oscar: 91 destroyed
Ki-21 Sally: 17 destroyed
Ki-49 Helen: 8 destroyed

Allied aircraft losses
FM-2 Wildcat: 4 damaged
F6F Hellcat: 11 destroyed, 54 damaged
Corsair IV: 1 damaged
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The closes we came to hitting an enemy carrier - strike from Biak against Sarmi!

Day Air attack on TF, near Sarmi at 48,78

Japanese aircraft
B6N Jill x 12

Allied aircraft
F4U-1D Corsair x 8
Kittyhawk III x 3

Japanese aircraft losses
B6N Jill: 8 destroyed

Allied Ships
CVE Altamaha
CVE Breton

Aircraft Attacking:
3 x B6N Jill launching torpedoes at 200 feet
1 x B6N Jill launching torpedoes at 200 feet
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Day Air attack on TF, near Wasile at 41,69

Japanese aircraft
Ki-43-IIa Oscar x 30
Ki-21 Sally x 6

Allied aircraft
FM-2 Wildcat x 54
F6F Hellcat x 174
Corsair IV x 10

Japanese aircraft losses
Ki-43-IIa Oscar: 27 destroyed
Ki-21 Sally: 6 destroyed

Allied aircraft losses
F6F Hellcat: 8 damaged
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Day Air attack on TF, near Wasile at 41,69

Japanese aircraft
Ki-43-IIa Oscar x 18
Ki-21 Sally x 3

Allied aircraft
FM-2 Wildcat x 54
F6F Hellcat x 174
Corsair IV x 10

Japanese aircraft losses
Ki-43-IIa Oscar: 17 destroyed
Ki-21 Sally: 1 destroyed

Allied aircraft losses
F6F Hellcat: 1 damaged
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Day Air attack on TF at 76,73

Japanese aircraft
G4M2 Betty x 3

No Japanese losses

Allied Ships
TK J.C. Fitzsimmons, Torpedo hits 1, on fire

Aircraft Attacking:
3 x G4M2 Betty launching torpedoes at 200 feet
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Ground Combat

Only Allied supporting forces are landed at Wasile. No use to counterattack. Need
120-1 in odds to throw them out anyway.

Ground combat at Wasile

Japanese Bombardment attack

Attacking force 12238 troops, 167 guns, 0 vehicles, Assault Value = 309

Defending force 6838 troops, 45 guns, 56 vehicles, Assault Value = 73

Japanese ground losses:
4 casualties reported
Guns lost 1
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Kavieng holds on for one last day...for the Empire! [&o]
Ground combat at Kavieng

Allied Shock attack

Attacking force 8006 troops, 45 guns, 130 vehicles, Assault Value = 192

Defending force 3429 troops, 22 guns, 0 vehicles, Assault Value = 13

Allied max assault: 368 - adjusted assault: 149

Japanese max defense: 4 - adjusted defense: 27

Allied assault odds: 5 to 1 (fort level 4)

Allied Assault reduces fortifications to 0

Japanese ground losses:
34 casualties reported

Allied ground losses:
41 casualties reported
Guns lost 1
Vehicles lost 1
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The butchers bill

I lost mostly Oscars and transport ac today, the loss of 60 naval bombers is the only
thing that truly hurt. Andy lost a pittiful amount of ac though.

The problem is that my fighters can only escort my long range bombers 4-6 hexes. My
only long range fighters are the A6M2 (pool now empty) and Oscar IIs. Completely useless
on their own, so I depend on that A6M5s, Tonys and Tojos join the fight. Such coordination
is a wet dream...and cannot be risked.

The alternative is to base my bombers with the Zekes in Menando - this will overstack the base,
make it extremely vulnerable to attacks and cause uncoordinated and too small strikes.

These are valuable lessons, and I will take them to heart in order to get things right on 'Der Tag'!
Will post another screenie with my plans for the coming days.

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RE: Biggest carrier vs LBA dogfight EVER!!

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Weda Situation

I'm reorganizing my Oscar fighters - moving the molested Daitais back to the rear areas
and moving in whole ones from China and the Home Islands.

All other air units that have suffered heavy damage have also been withdrawn.
The transport ac fleet will get some rest while we see how Andy pulls his chestnuts out of the fire [;)]

Other details are outlined on the map:

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PzB.. Hi again ..

one quick question , are you training up the LR escorts Oscar and A6M2 ? as it seems like they will get hammered whether 30 or 80 exp either way. may make front line numbers better by sending in chaff escorts just to ensure good bomber launches ( down side is of course the bombers get hit harder though).

unlucky on the CVE strike .. also he may be using replenisment CVE's to keep hit fighters on the CV's in tip top numbers . so he 'may' not be as depleted as you think.

just my 2p .. and italy 1 USA 1 is a great result .. most unexpected. congratulations America
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I'm not training my Oscars Rob, the A6M2 unit that got cut down was trained...but it
made no difference. So the long range fighters are diversions only. Need to mix them
in with crack fighter units to give these a chance to get at the Hellcats.

Was a good but bloody match between Italy and the US. I put my ant in with the US, Italy
has been bad news for Norway in many qualifiers and WC's [:'(]

A few small strikes were cut down by the uber CAP - otherwise quiet.
Still reorganizing and will try to come up with something that can surprise Andy.
Enemy carriers launched strikes against a couple of transports today.

Our subs are moving into position, 6 of them this time - a bigger effort to see whether
they can make a difference of not. Just let me put a couple of cv's in dock for a few
months and much will have been achieved.

AFTER ACTION REPORTS FOR 04/07/44

Air Combat

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Day Air attack on Wasile , at 41,69

Allied aircraft
P-38J Lightning x 74
F-5C Lightning x 6
PB4Y Liberator x 20
B-24J Liberator x 73

Allied aircraft losses
PB4Y Liberator: 1 damaged

Japanese ground losses:
45 casualties reported

Airbase hits 1
Airbase supply hits 2
Runway hits 59
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Day Air attack on Sorong , at 42,74

Japanese aircraft
no flights

Allied aircraft
B-24J Liberator x 42

Japanese aircraft losses
Ki-46-III Dinah: 1 destroyed
B6N Jill: 2 destroyed

Allied aircraft losses
B-24J Liberator: 2 damaged

Airbase hits 6
Airbase supply hits 2
Runway hits 46
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Day Air attack on Sansapor , at 44,74

Japanese aircraft
Ki-43-IIa Oscar x 3

Allied aircraft
B-24J Liberator x 75

Japanese aircraft losses
Ki-43-IIa Oscar: 2 destroyed
L2D2 Tabby: 4 destroyed

Allied aircraft losses
B-24J Liberator: 1 damaged

Japanese ground losses:
13 casualties reported

Airbase hits 6
Airbase supply hits 16
Runway hits 55
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Day Air attack on TF at 40,68

Allied aircraft - funny strike...
FM-2 Wildcat x 31
F6F Hellcat x 100
Corsair IV x 6
TBM Avenger x 1

No Allied losses

Japanese Ships
AK Hokkai Maru
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Day Air attack on TF at 41,68

Allied aircraft
SB2C Helldiver x 53

No Allied losses

Japanese Ships
AK Noshiro Maru, Bomb hits 14, on fire, heavy damage
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Day Air attack on TF at 41,70

Japanese aircraft
G4M2 Betty x 6

Allied aircraft
FM-2 Wildcat x 62
F6F Hellcat x 207
Corsair IV x 14
F6F-5N Hellcat x 19

Japanese aircraft losses
G4M2 Betty: 6 destroyed

Allied aircraft losses
F6F Hellcat: 4 damaged
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Day Air attack on TF at 41,70

Japanese aircraft
B6N Jill x 4

Allied aircraft
FM-2 Wildcat x 62
F6F Hellcat x 207
Corsair IV x 14
F6F-5N Hellcat x 19

Japanese aircraft losses
B6N Jill: 4 destroyed
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Day Air attack on Wasile , at 41,69

Allied aircraft
F6F Hellcat x 10
SB2C Helldiver x 214
TBM Avenger x 192

Allied aircraft losses
SB2C Helldiver: 2 damaged

Japanese ground losses:
37 casualties reported

Airbase hits 5
Airbase supply hits 3
Runway hits 37
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Day Air attack on TF at 41,70

Japanese aircraft
B6N Jill x 4

Allied aircraft
FM-2 Wildcat x 60
F6F Hellcat x 201
Corsair IV x 13
F6F-5N Hellcat x 18

Japanese aircraft losses
B6N Jill: 4 destroyed

Allied aircraft losses
F6F Hellcat: 1 damaged
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Ground Combat

Kavieng falls, but the defenders refuse to give up and continue to tie down
enemy units!

Ground combat at Kavieng

Allied Shock attack

Attacking force 7896 troops, 44 guns, 128 vehicles, Assault Value = 188

Defending force 3331 troops, 22 guns, 0 vehicles, Assault Value = 10

Allied max assault: 358 - adjusted assault: 125

Japanese max defense: 3 - adjusted defense: 19

Allied assault odds: 6 to 1 (fort level 0)

Allied forces CAPTURE Kavieng base !!!

Japanese ground losses:
94 casualties reported
Guns lost 2
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Thanks for the reply , I'd assumed that .. as it makes complete sense anyway. [;)].

Im not exactly a football fan myself .. basically havnt watched much at all but the USA/ITALY result caught my attention on the news this AM..
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You don't have to like football to be involved Rob...got a friend in Scotland that doesn't watch mutch ball and
here are his comments regarding the latest results [;)]

[font="arial"]"Fu_ck, England are through, (that's the last time I ask the Great Green Arklesezuire for divine intervention) now all that stands in their way from becoming group winners is Sweden, the question is ; is my hatred of English sporting arrogance as deep as yours for the meatballers?  I mean they stand there and sing the British National anthem, how annoying is that for us Scots, plus the Welsh and (northern) Irish, at least in the game of Rugby England have the song "Jerusalem" (which is far better than God save the fuc_k)."

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LOL . i actually agree 100% on the misuse of the national anthem for the england team . BUT he's wrong about rugby though , the England team use the natinal anthem there too, although 'jerusalem' is the unofficial anthem and imo should be adopted permanently by the english side ..

As for an English football anthem .. humm " here we go here we go here we go .. ad infintum " would be more appropriate and be memorised by footie fans too [;)] ( very few words).

I acutally hate club football , its so devicive/agressive and causes so much violence, with rugby the crowds are mixed even in internationals and both teams drink together before/during and after the match with NO trouble at all , so you can't blame alcohol on football violence alone.

end of short rant [:D]

back to the game though , it'll be interesting comparing your stock results during the late war stage, with nikmod games at the same stage.
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I wisely stay out of internal affairs in the GB Rob [;)]
It would be like putting Norway, Denmark and Sweden under one rule and adopt the Finnish
national anthem [:D]

I would have been dead as a dodo if it wasn't for the campaigns of conquest in 1942 [;)]
As it is I can afford to concentrate my forces in one front and make Andy pay for every base
he invades.

After thinking abit about Fishbed said I finally pulled of a stunt that caught Andy by surprise.
High exp Jills from Noemfoor caught a destroyer squadron off guard and torpedoed 3 of them.
The USS Kidd hit another mine and sank - so 4 enemy dd's are write offs or ready for yard time today.

More to come...

AFTER ACTION REPORTS FOR 04/08/44

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TF 1060 encounters mine field at Wasile (41,69)

Allied Ships
MSW Bunbury
MSW Grebe
MSW Bendigo
LCT LCT-477, Mine hits 1, on fire, heavy damage
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TF 1182 encounters mine field at Wasile (41,69)

Allied Ships
DD Kidd, Mine hits 1, on fire, heavy damage *sinks*
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Todays premium attack!
Day Air attack on TF, near Sansapor at 44,74

Japanese aircraft
B6N Jill x 23

Japanese aircraft losses
B6N Jill: 3 destroyed, 15 damaged

Allied Ships
DD Fanning
DD Bennett
DD Boyd, Torpedo hits 2, on fire, heavy damage
DD Converse, Torpedo hits 1, on fire
DD Guest, Torpedo hits 1, on fire, heavy damage
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Ground Combat

Ground combat at Kavieng

Allied Shock attack

Attacking force 7850 troops, 43 guns, 126 vehicles, Assault Value = 187

Defending force 2898 troops, 9 guns, 0 vehicles, Assault Value = 8

Allied max assault: 358 - adjusted assault: 35

Japanese max defense: 2 - adjusted defense: 15

Allied assault odds: 2 to 1

Japanese ground losses:
37 casualties reported

Allied ground losses:
6 casualties reported
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DD boyd i suspect won't last too long either ! .. is he short on DD's ? i know his BB fleet is a bit 'light' to say the least [;)]. i wonder if he's getting escort short ?

re finnish anthem .. should be danish or swedish based on history [;)].. ah the joys of europa universalis .. where did i put that disk ? [;)]

anyhoo .. best i shut up for a while .. trivialising your thread now .. if terminus,nik and speedy arrive [:-].. (heaven forbid [:'(])

good luck as ever ! .. nemo is emulating you in his AAR .. looks like india will go even under 1.8 ! .. yikes ..
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nemo is emulating you in his AAR .. looks like india will go even under 1.8 ! .. yikes ..


The Devs, new and old, did nothing between 1.4/1.5 and 1.801 (other than making 4E bombers less useful) that would change the situation in India. An Allied player still needs to be totally aware of the possibility, and that if the Japanese player moves early enough, there is no chance of defending.

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...... tough job in 44
i need to spend more time in your AAR to get used to inevitable

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Nice job with the DDs - keep moving, he can't be everywhere all the time [8D]
He wont be able to keep his CVs at sea in the same hex for an eternity, then you may strike with the big boys and sunk some bad boys...
Apparently, he's always throwing everything in every operation. There is no rotation of CV assets. Get them separated, they are in trouble. Get them together, he can't be elsewhere. So cool, he's got his own problems in a certain way [;)]

Let's clear this Wasile mess with big guns the sooner the better...

is there any people in Hollandia? A stealth transport force may disembark some forces there....?
I wonder if his bases are CAP'ed, or if he has anything that can fly naval strike there neither...
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with so many short legged fighters his bases are certainly capped/what other use for them ?/ and PZB doesn't have excess fighters to fight there - not in this moment  IMO

I think that soon allied CV will go for R&R - they are in first line for quite a long time so sys dmg in range of 8-12 is probable
i think that with this thrust Wasile Morotai  and maybe Menado are targeted  good platform to the north
meanwhile i would expect secondary attack directly on axis direceted on kendari - but main problems will appear north of current theater within next 3-4 months and there should be even hotter battle.
I don't think Andy will loose to much time for clearing PNG - even some DD losses will not be an incetive
i think whole second half of 44 will be oriented on Marianes and PI otherwise he risks finishing this war very late
I would strike marianes first as allied need them badly to start strategic bombing and PI with amount of Japanese units given will be tough and much longer to acomplish
question is what is the best tactics to defend marianes soon ....
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RE: Biggest carrier vs LBA dogfight EVER!!

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RE: Biggest carrier vs LBA dogfight EVER!!

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Quick update before I process todays last turn!
More landings at Wasile and I've ordered a surface combat group to strike the shallow water
hex were Andy unloaded troops by mistake.

3 ca, 2 torpedo cruisers and destroyers under Nishimura.
Hope to find some transports, cve's - but not a battle fleet. Risky, but potentially rewarding.
More naval bombers put on sniping attacks.

India can be taken - and it can also be defended - hangs in the balance really.
If Japan succeeds the rewards are great, if they fail they're in big trouble.

Andy is a bit light on surface units, many convoys without escorts - but he's receivined 10 dd's
pr month. So I don't think it's critical. Not to mention all the DE's he's getting.

AFTER ACTION REPORTS FOR 04/09/44

Invasions

More troops are unloading at Wasile...still hitting mines and taking casualties
from coastal guns.
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TF 1060 encounters mine field at Wasile (41,69)
TF 1060 troops unloading over beach at Wasile, 41,69

Allied Ships
MSW Bunbury
MSW Grebe
MSW Bendigo

Coastal Guns at Wasile, 41,69, firing at TF 1060
52 Coastal gun shots fired in defense.
Allied Ships
LCI LCI-535
CL Adelaide, Shell hits 1

Allied ground losses:
284 casualties reported
Vehicles lost 2
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TF 1060 encounters mine field at Wasile (41,69)
TF 1060 troops unloading over beach at Wasile, 41,69

Allied Ships
MSW Bunbury
MSW Grebe
MSW Bendigo
LCM 542E, Mine hits 1, on fire, heavy damage

Coastal Guns at Wasile, 41,69, firing at TF 1060
17 Coastal gun shots fired in defense.
Allied Ships
CL Adelaide

Allied ground losses:
101 casualties reported
Vehicles lost 1
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Coastal Guns at Wasile, 41,69, firing at TF 1068
TF 1068 troops unloading over beach at Wasile, 41,69

237 Coastal gun shots fired in defense.
Allied Ships
LCM 532C, Shell hits 3
LCI(G) LCI-64, Shell hits 13, on fire
LCI(G) LCI-61, Shell hits 11, on fire
LCM 533C, Shell hits 10, on fire, heavy damage
LCT LCT-142, Shell hits 2
DE Neuendorf, Shell hits 1

Allied ground losses:
455 casualties reported
Guns lost 3
Vehicles lost 1
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Coastal Guns at Wasile, 41,69, firing at TF 1072
TF 1072 troops unloading over beach at Wasile, 41,69

15 Coastal gun shots fired in defense.

Allied ground losses:
114 casualties reported
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Coastal Guns at Wasile, 41,69, firing at TF 1079
TF 1079 troops unloading over beach at Wasile, 41,69

Allied ground losses:
372 casualties reported
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Coastal Guns at Wasile, 41,69, firing at TF 1086
TF 1086 troops unloading over beach at Wasile, 41,69

Allied ground losses:
50 casualties reported
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Air Combat

Morotai remains closed and I got several trapped air units there with pilots but no ac.

Day Air attack on Morotai , at 43,68

Japanese aircraft
no flights

Allied aircraft
F-5C Lightning x 6
PB4Y Liberator x 3
B-24J Liberator x 159

Japanese aircraft losses
Ki-61 KAIc Tony: 10 destroyed
G4M2 Betty: 1 destroyed
D4Y Judy: 1 destroyed
Ki-46-III Dinah: 1 destroyed
H8K Emily: 1 destroyed
Ki-45 KAIb Nick: 1 destroyed
Ki-43-IIa Oscar: 1 destroyed
A6M5 Zeke: 1 destroyed
A6M5c Zeke: 1 destroyed
Ki-44-IIb Tojo: 1 destroyed

Allied aircraft losses
PB4Y Liberator: 1 damaged
B-24J Liberator: 16 damaged

Japanese ground losses:
195 casualties reported
Guns lost 4

Airbase hits 4
Airbase supply hits 5
Runway hits 198
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Day Air attack on Wewak , at 52,81

Allied aircraft
F4U-1 Corsair x 3
P-47D Thunderbolt x 11
PB4Y Liberator x 7

Allied aircraft losses
PB4Y Liberator: 1 damaged

Runway hits 10
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Day Air attack on Hansa , at 53,83

Japanese aircraft
no flights

Allied aircraft
F4U-1 Corsair x 8
B-24J Liberator x 15

Japanese aircraft losses
P1Y Frances: 1 destroyed

Airbase hits 3
Airbase supply hits 3
Runway hits 11
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Ground Combat

Ground combat at Wasile

Japanese Bombardment attack

Attacking force 12237 troops, 157 guns, 3 vehicles, Assault Value = 297

Defending force 16928 troops, 152 guns, 142 vehicles, Assault Value = 587

Japanese ground losses:
4 casualties reported
Guns lost 1
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Ground combat at Kavieng

Allied Shock attack

Attacking force 7800 troops, 43 guns, 127 vehicles, Assault Value = 186

Defending force 2951 troops, 10 guns, 0 vehicles, Assault Value = 9

Allied max assault: 352 - adjusted assault: 59

Japanese max defense: 3 - adjusted defense: 17

Allied assault odds: 3 to 1

Japanese ground losses:
148 casualties reported
Guns lost 1

Allied ground losses:
14 casualties reported
Guns lost 1
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