The Great Patriotic AAR II (No Michael T please)

[Michael T]

Don't try to dodge it gids. You have been insinuating that I am a cheat for some time. It's not acceptable. I will not retract. You think that because I practice its unfair to my opponents. Thats idiotic. Is your favorite football team a bunch of cheats because they practice? Come on. If you want to put up ridiculous remarks and label me a cheat you are going to get some flak. Pull your head in.

[glvaca]

ORIGINAL: Michael T

It's a fact I have never lost a game as Soviet (people conveiniantly forget that) And under the current set of rules I never will. I will be playing Soviet next. I challenge any player out there who thinks he can beat me as Soviet under the Stock rules. HELLOOOO!!! Where are you?

No house rules.
Server game.
Choose your weather system. Random or not.

Apparently under these stock conditions the poor Soviets still face an uphill battle. PROVE IT!

Gids. I really don't want to bother with your rubbish but I can't put up with it any longer.

Does your mind comprehend that ANY serious player, performer, entertainer or whatever spends FAR more time practicing their craft than actually playing or performing it?

Do you need me to cite examples for you?

You are accusing me of cheating because I practice?

You are an idiot.

Here I am. Unfortunately I don't have time right now but if you can wait a couple of weeks I'll play.
House rules:
Non-random weather
No bombing HQ's unless stacked with combat unit.
Max. 3 airbase attacks after first turn.
No landings West of Sevastopol until 1943.

[Michael T]

Oh.. so we need house rules. Well I am astonished. After reading some of the Soviet's crew posts I thought the stock game was still a walk over for Germany.

But sure glvaca I can wait a few weeks. I only ask two things. That is we confirm with Joel that there is not some game changing patch about to come out that makes HI suddenly worth evacuating. Because that would be a game changer, for the better I might add.

2nd we wait for the patch that stops the air base mega fuel harvest I uncovered OR you give a guarantee you won't abuse it.

But other than that yes bring it on. I will PM you with my email so we can stay in touch till game day. I look forward to it.

[gids]

If i wanted to call you a cheater i would have done so, dont worry about that it,and i insinuate nothing ,i merely said you used the game mechanics to your advantage,is that bad ? i dont know... and i wouldnt care less if you retract or what you think is idiotic ,you seem to be pretty full of yourself and  loaded with opinions .....i dont call it a cheat because its not simply as that,i didnt say its wrong nor did i say anything else,so dont put words on here i didnt say ,and if you feel like i said your a cheater well thats your problem not mine and as far as labeling goes ;i dont do that i rather leave that to people who seem to be good at it ,like yourself,so let that be the end of this ...here it comes..."idiotic "discussion

[Ron]

Ok, I think that last post confirms it so I will second the motion - gids, you are an idiot. However, like all idiots it is plainly useless to point that out, carry on my man.

[gids]

his brother i guess

[Farfarer61]

Didn't we just learn that Soviet von Robinsky in 1941 is perfectly sound, so Axis players I (and I'm one) should stop whining about it forever?

Random weather rocks, deal with it, it is simply more fun for everyone.

You don't need muling to win. You try to win in 1942 instead of 1941, and I ain't going to tell you how. A very old post by Flav said "1941 is foreplay" - how true.

Paras - well I did super long range drops as Sov and decided they were cheese, ruining my own fun by ruining games, and stopped, I haven't bombed an Axis airbase in ages - just silly and against fun; for both players. I will do unlimited bomb attacks as Sov, particulary to break pockets, as this is a wholly permissable attempt to save hundreds of thousands of troops which the game reduces to Smurfs as soon as the phone lines to STAVKA are cut.

[Michael T]

Look gids. Whether you intended to or not, if you start using the word 'cheat', in any context that links it to me or anyone they are going to get their heckles up. Lets just forget it then. I am sorry for the insult.

[Aurelian]

ORIGINAL: glvaca

ORIGINAL: Michael T

It's a fact I have never lost a game as Soviet (people conveiniantly forget that) And under the current set of rules I never will. I will be playing Soviet next. I challenge any player out there who thinks he can beat me as Soviet under the Stock rules. HELLOOOO!!! Where are you?

No house rules.
Server game.
Choose your weather system. Random or not.

Apparently under these stock conditions the poor Soviets still face an uphill battle. PROVE IT!

Gids. I really don't want to bother with your rubbish but I can't put up with it any longer.

Does your mind comprehend that ANY serious player, performer, entertainer or whatever spends FAR more time practicing their craft than actually playing or performing it?

Do you need me to cite examples for you?

You are accusing me of cheating because I practice?

You are an idiot.

Here I am. Unfortunately I don't have time right now but if you can wait a couple of weeks I'll play.
House rules:
Non-random weather
No bombing HQ's unless stacked with combat unit.
Max. 3 airbase attacks after first turn.
No landings West of Sevastopol until 1943.

Make sure you use the airbase fuel thing. It's only fair as it will be against someone who said he would use muling in all its forms. Use rule exploits against the exploiter.

[KamilS]

I see that Michael T pays the price for being on the top [;)]

[Aurelian]

ORIGINAL: Kamil

I see that Michael T pays the price for being on the top [;)]

Just crafting rules to his advantage

[Encircled]

Why don't we just a have a list of all the "exploits" available on both sides, have a game with none of them allowed, and see where we go?

Or is that just too simple?

[glvaca]

ORIGINAL: Michael T

Oh.. so we need house rules. Well I am astonished. After reading some of the Soviet's crew posts I thought the stock game was still a walk over for Germany.

But sure glvaca I can wait a few weeks. I only ask two things. That is we confirm with Joel that there is not some game changing patch about to come out that makes HI suddenly worth evacuating. Because that would be a game changer, for the better I might add.

2nd we wait for the patch that stops the air base mega fuel harvest I uncovered OR you give a guarantee you won't abuse it.

But other than that yes bring it on. I will PM you with my email so we can stay in touch till game day. I look forward to it.

Well, I'm not part of any "crew" [;)]
These are the standard house rules I play with either side.
No, I'll not use the air base mega supply thing. I'll leave it up to you whether you want to use para drops to break pockets.
As do I [:)]

[glvaca]

ORIGINAL: Encircled

Why don't we just a have a list of all the "exploits" available on both sides, have a game with none of them allowed, and see where we go?

Or is that just too simple?

Yes, that would be too simple [;)]
Besides, what is an exploit for some is perfectly acceptable for others. We'd never agree on a list anyway [:'(]

[Callistrid]

Well, when I'm plaing with germans, never use any type of muleing, or other tricks, because its unfair.
Most of my units remain on their original HQ, only I do the OOB optimalization.

What Michael T did on T07-08 was incredible for me, although I am an experienced player.

[Michael T]

FWIW glvaca I didn't put you in that crew. I won't use para's to break pockets as I think it sucks. I would demand the same from a Soviet if I were German.

[Encircled]

You'd better list all the things that the soviets are not allowed to do then.

Then at least the game can be played with both sides aware of what is and isn't allowed.

[76mm]

I don't agree at al with the people that say a run away strategy is a winner for the Sovs. All it does is defer defeat from 1941 until some later date, because you end up too far east to reach Berlin in time to win. As someone pointed out, we've seen zero AARs where the Sovs make it to Berlin by may 45

[Michael T]

Just like we have seen zero Germans who have taken 260 or 290 points.

[76mm]

ORIGINAL: Michael T
Just like we have seen zero Germans who have taken 260 or 290 points.

Heh, nice straw man argument; that's not a valid comparison, for a couple of reasons:

1) games in which the Germans would get 260 much less 290 points end in surrender long before they reach that point (as you should know); and

2) I am talking about winning the game, an auto-win is winning the WAR, which sorry to all the German fanboys out there, should just not happen very often. I don't know how exactly it works under the new alt-VP scenario, but holding the Sovs from Berlin till August (if not earlier) should be a German win in the GAME.