The Cautionaries: jwilkerson vs Capt(re-started)

[Rysyonok]

October 18, 1922

It is all about who wants an atoll more badly.

IJN is winning this battle; losses were heavy, but quite a few American MSWs and APs won't ever see Manila.

It appears that the next major battle won't be fought until the Philippines...

Only 3 USN ships survive in the Eniwetok hex, all APs, 2 of them heavily damaged.

AFTER ACTION REPORTS FOR 10/18/22

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TF 1002 encounters mine field at Eniwetok (76,74)

TF 1002 troops unloading over beach at Eniwetok, 76,74


Allied Ships
DD Zeilin


Allied ground losses:
196 casualties reported

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TF 1017 encounters mine field at Eniwetok (76,74)

TF 1017 troops unloading over beach at Eniwetok, 76,74


Allied Ships
AP President Polk, Mine hits 1, heavy damage

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TF 1032 encounters mine field at Eniwetok (76,74)

Allied Ships
MSW Sanderling
MSW Seagull
MSW Kingfisher
MSW Brant
MSW Thrush
MSW Woodcock
MSW Lapwing

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TF 1130 encounters mine field at Eniwetok (76,74)

Allied Ships
MSW Falcon

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Sub attack at 79,73

Japanese Ships
SS No. 33

Allied Ships
BB Tennessee, heavy damage

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Sub attack near Eniwetok at 76,74

Japanese Ships
SS No. 13

Allied Ships
AP President Monroe, Torpedo hits 2, on fire, heavy damage

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Sub attack at 99,61

Japanese Ships
SS No. 35

Allied Ships
AK Don Isidro, Shell hits 6

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Night Time Surface Combat, near Eniwetok at 76,74

Japanese Ships
BB Yamashiro, Shell hits 2
CL Tatsuta
CL Kuma
CL Oi
CL Isuzu
DD Sakura
DD Tachibana
DD Kaba
DD Matsu
DD Kashiwa
DD Kaede

Allied Ships
BB Georgia, Shell hits 15, on fire, heavy damage
DD Delphy, Shell hits 7, on fire
DD Perry, Shell hits 12, Torpedo hits 1, and is sunk

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Night Time Surface Combat, near Eniwetok at 76,74

Japanese Ships
BB Yamashiro
CL Tatsuta
CL Kuma
CL Oi
CL Isuzu
DD Sakura
DD Tachibana
DD Kaba
DD Matsu
DD Kashiwa
DD Kaede

Allied Ships
BB Georgia, Shell hits 32, and is sunk
DD Delphy, Shell hits 4, Torpedo hits 1, and is sunk

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Night Time Surface Combat, near Eniwetok at 76,74

Japanese Ships
BB Yamashiro
CL Tatsuta
CL Kuma
CL Oi
CL Isuzu
DD Sakura
DD Tachibana
DD Kaba
DD Matsu
DD Kashiwa
DD Kaede

Allied Ships
AP President Polk, Shell hits 11, and is sunk


Allied ground losses:
91 casualties reported

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Night Time Surface Combat, near Eniwetok at 76,74

Japanese Ships
BB Yamashiro, Shell hits 1
CL Tatsuta
CL Kuma
CL Oi
CL Isuzu, Shell hits 3
DD Sakura
DD Tachibana
DD Kaba
DD Matsu
DD Kashiwa
DD Kaede

Allied Ships
MSW Lapwing, Shell hits 5, and is sunk
MSW Woodcock, Shell hits 26, on fire, heavy damage
MSW Thrush, Shell hits 12, Torpedo hits 1, and is sunk
MSW Brant, Torpedo hits 1, and is sunk
MSW Kingfisher, Torpedo hits 1, and is sunk
MSW Seagull, Shell hits 6, Torpedo hits 1, and is sunk
MSW Sanderling, Torpedo hits 1, and is sunk

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Night Time Surface Combat, near Eniwetok at 76,74

Japanese Ships
BB Yamashiro
CL Tatsuta, Shell hits 1
CL Kuma, Shell hits 1
CL Oi
CL Isuzu
DD Sakura
DD Tachibana
DD Kaba
DD Matsu
DD Kashiwa
DD Kaede

Allied Ships
DD Henshaw, Shell hits 56, and is sunk

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Night Time Surface Combat, near Eniwetok at 76,74

Japanese Ships
BB Yamashiro
CL Tatsuta
CL Kuma
CL Oi
CL Isuzu
DD Sakura
DD Tachibana
DD Kaba
DD Matsu
DD Kashiwa
DD Kaede

Allied Ships
MSW Falcon, Shell hits 21, and is sunk

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Night Time Surface Combat, near Eniwetok at 76,74

Japanese Ships
BB Yamashiro
CL Tatsuta
CL Kuma
CL Oi
CL Isuzu
DD Sakura
DD Tachibana
DD Kaba
DD Matsu
DD Kashiwa
DD Kaede

Allied Ships
DD Farquhar, Shell hits 35, and is sunk
DD Zeilin, Shell hits 18, and is sunk
AP President Coolidge, heavy damage
AP President Johnson, heavy damage
AP Republic

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Sub attack at 77,74

Japanese Ships
SS No. 30

Allied Ships
DD Lichfield
DD Tingey
DD Ballard
DD Gillis
DD Buchanan

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Sub attack near Kwajalein at 79,79

Japanese Ships
BB Fuso, Torpedo hits 1

Allied Ships
SS O-15

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Sub attack at 76,73

Japanese Ships
SS No. 29

Allied Ships
AP President Johnson, Torpedo hits 1, on fire, heavy damage


Allied ground losses:
26 casualties reported


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Ground combat at Eniwetok

Allied Shock attack

Attacking force 5298 troops, 49 guns, 5 vehicles

Defending force 7839 troops, 10 guns, 0 vehicles

Allied assault odds: 0 to 1 (fort level 5)



Allied ground losses:
628 casualties reported
Guns lost 3
Vehicles lost 3

[Rysyonok]

A sudden change of pace as USN leaves Eniwetok. The only sounds disturbing peace and quiet of Marshalls are thuds of 12-16" shells from IJN bombardment fleets.

[jwilkerson]

How was the dreadnought BB/BC balance impacted by the fighting in the Marshalls ?

[Rysyonok]

ORIGINAL: jwilkerson
How was the dreadnought BB/BC balance impacted by the fighting in the Marshalls ?

Not good.

I keep setting my TFs to no retirement which yields me battlefields but earns higher casualties...

IJN: 3BB 2BC
USN: 3BB 4OBB

The good news is that I decimated smaller USN ships - they are up to 174 sunk vessels. Most of MSWs, lots of DDs, handful of APs...

[Rysyonok]

AFTER ACTION REPORTS FOR 10/21/22

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ASW attack at 86,74

Japanese Ships
SS No. 25

Allied Ships
DD Lichfield
DD Tingey
DD Ballard

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Naval bombardment of Eniwetok, at 76,74

Japanese Ships
DD Tsuta
DD Nashi
DD Nire
DD Kaya
DD Momi
DD Tsubaki
DD Numakaze
DD Akikaze
DD Tanikaze
CL Tenryu
CL Tsugaru
CL Tsushima
CL Chitose
CA Iwate
BC Haruna
BC Hiei


Allied ground losses:
34 casualties reported
Guns lost 1

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Naval bombardment of Eniwetok, at 76,74

Japanese Ships
DD Kaede
DD Kashiwa
DD Matsu
DD Kaba
DD Tachibana
DD Sakura
CL Isuzu
CL Oi
CL Kuma
CL Tatsuta
BB Yamashiro


Allied ground losses:
33 casualties reported
Guns lost 2

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Naval bombardment of Eniwetok, at 76,74

Japanese Ships
DD Sakaki
DD Umi
DD Kusunoki
DD Kiri
BB Fuji
BB Asahi
BB Shikishima
BB Iwami
BB Hizen
BB Mikasa
BB Katori
BB Settsu


Allied ground losses:
77 casualties reported
Guns lost 1

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ASW attack at 86,74

Japanese Ships
SS No. 25

Allied Ships
DD Young
DD Yarnall

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ASW attack near Kwajalein at 79,79

Japanese Ships
PC Ch08
PC Ch07
PC Ch06
PC Ch05

Allied Ships
SS R-6, hits 1

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Sub attack at 86,74

Japanese Ships
SS No. 25

Allied Ships
DD Young

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Sub attack at 89,82

Japanese Ships
SS No. 47

Allied Ships
AK Columbian

[jwilkerson]

Most of MSWs

That will hurt the most ... I added a bunch to the scenario ( another 20 or so ? ) ... but they can't make any more ( should be able to but can't ) ... without dedicated MS ... and once the hordes of CML start comming in ... invasions will be rapid trips to the bottom for USN vessels.

But you probably now need to add NCLs and NDDs to the 'non-expendable" ship group ( along with OCA OBB and NBB and BC ) only OCL and ODD and subs would then remain on the expendable list ... you need a fleet in being to force him to advance slowly ...

11 mos and 3 weeks to go ... if Manilla and Bataan not captured by then .. then IJN scenario victory. Though I would temper that with dreadnought BB/BC losses as well.

[Rysyonok]

ORIGINAL: jwilkerson

Most of MSWs

That will hurt the most ... I added a bunch to the scenario ( another 20 or so ? ) ... but they can't make any more ( should be able to but can't ) ... without dedicated MS ... and once the hordes of CML start comming in ... invasions will be rapid trips to the bottom for USN vessels.
But you probably now need to add NCLs and NDDs to the 'non-expendable" ship group ( along with OCA OBB and NBB and BC ) only OCL and ODD and subs would then remain on the expendable list ... you need a fleet in being to force him to advance slowly ...
11 mos and 3 weeks to go ... if Manilla and Bataan not captured by then .. then IJN scenario victory. Though I would temper that with dreadnought BB/BC losses as well.

True, but losses of MLs and persistent submarine presence nullify possibility of new major minefields... I intend to pull all IJN back to Naga after this as Eniwetok campaign was mostly to hurt American morale, slowing down their advance.

[jwilkerson]

losses of MLs

But aren't "dozens" of new CML arriving over the next 2-3 months ? Compared to the 8 or so you start with ... you'll be rolling in "ML" shortly ...

[Rysyonok]

True, but I intend to use those as long-range interceptors. I was lucky @ Eniwetok as most of IJN forces were nearby. But I want to have an advance warning next time, and what better warning than a blanket of those cheap ships with 20,000 endurance?

[jwilkerson]

what better warning

Subs !


Then the CML are still free to lay 20k thick minefields in the key objective hexes !

[Rysyonok]

ORIGINAL: jwilkerson

what better warning

Subs !
Then the CML are still free to lay 20k thick minefields in the key objective hexes !

Subs won't yield me 17 DD carcasses in a single night.
Raiders with their 20,000 yard range guns will.

[Rysyonok]

AFTER ACTION REPORTS FOR 10/22/22

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TF 1003 encounters mine field at Maloelap (82,81)

Allied Ships
DD Chase

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ASW attack at 76,76

Japanese Ships
DD Tachikaze
DD Amatsukaze
DD Shiokaze
DD Sugi, heavy damage

Allied Ships
SS S-35

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Sub attack at 80,75

Japanese Ships
SS No. 12

Allied Ships
AK Corregidor, Torpedo hits 1, on fire, heavy damage

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Sub attack at 77,77

Japanese Ships
BB Fuso

Allied Ships
SS O-15

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Naval bombardment of Eniwetok, at 76,74

Japanese Ships
DD Nashi
DD Nire
DD Kaya
DD Momi
DD Tsubaki
DD Numakaze
DD Akikaze
DD Tanikaze
CL Tenryu
CL Tsugaru
CL Tsushima
CL Chitose
CA Iwate
BC Haruna
BC Hiei


Allied ground losses:
12 casualties reported

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Naval bombardment of Eniwetok, at 76,74

Japanese Ships
DD Kaede
DD Kashiwa
DD Matsu
DD Kaba
DD Tachibana
DD Sakura
CL Isuzu
CL Oi
CL Kuma
CL Tatsuta
BB Yamashiro


Allied ground losses:
52 casualties reported
Guns lost 2

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Naval bombardment of Eniwetok, at 76,74

Japanese Ships
DD Sakaki
DD Umi
DD Kusunoki
DD Kiri
BB Fuji
BB Asahi
BB Shikishima
BB Iwami
BB Hizen
BB Mikasa
BB Katori
BB Settsu


Allied ground losses:
67 casualties reported
Guns lost 1

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ASW attack at 74,73

Japanese Ships
DD Tsuta
DD Umikaze, heavy damage

Allied Ships
SS R-13

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Naval bombardment of Eniwetok, at 76,74

Japanese Ships
DD Sakaki
DD Umi
DD Kusunoki
DD Kiri
BB Fuji
BB Asahi
BB Shikishima
BB Iwami
BB Hizen
BB Mikasa
BB Katori
BB Settsu


Allied ground losses:
67 casualties reported
Guns lost 2

[Rysyonok]

AFTER ACTION REPORTS FOR 10/23/22

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Sub attack at 86,74

Japanese Ships
SS No. 25

Allied Ships
DD Shirk
DD Woodbury
DD William Jones
DD S. P. Lee
DD Percival
DD Laub

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Naval bombardment of Eniwetok, at 76,74

Japanese Ships
CL Hirado
CA Adzuma
CA Nisshin
CA Kasuga
BB Suwo
BB Kashima
CA Ibuki
BB Satsuma
BB Aki


Allied ground losses:
21 casualties reported

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Naval bombardment of Eniwetok, at 76,74

Japanese Ships
DD Nashi
DD Nire
DD Kaya
DD Momi
DD Tsubaki
DD Numakaze
DD Akikaze
DD Tanikaze
CL Tenryu
CL Tsugaru
CL Tsushima
CL Chitose
CA Iwate
BC Haruna
BC Hiei


Allied ground losses:
30 casualties reported

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Naval bombardment of Eniwetok, at 76,74

Japanese Ships
DD Kaede
DD Kashiwa
DD Matsu
DD Kaba
DD Tachibana
DD Sakura
CL Isuzu
CL Oi
CL Kuma
CL Tatsuta
BB Yamashiro


Allied ground losses:
57 casualties reported
Guns lost 2

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Naval bombardment of Eniwetok, at 76,74

Japanese Ships
DD Sakaki
DD Umi
DD Kusunoki
DD Kiri
BB Fuji
BB Asahi
BB Shikishima
BB Iwami
BB Hizen
BB Mikasa
BB Katori
BB Settsu


Allied ground losses:
70 casualties reported

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ASW attack at 86,74

Japanese Ships
SS No. 25

Allied Ships
DD Woodbury
DD William Jones
DD S. P. Lee
DD Shirk
DD Percival
DD Laub

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Sub attack at 98,74

Japanese Ships
SS No. 62

Allied Ships
DD Noa
DD Fox
DD Selfridge

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ASW attack at 85,86

Japanese Ships
SS No. 45

Allied Ships
DD Somers
DD Mugford

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Naval bombardment of Eniwetok, at 76,74

Japanese Ships
CL Hirado
CA Adzuma
CA Nisshin
CA Kasuga
BB Suwo
BB Kashima
CA Ibuki
BB Satsuma
BB Aki


Allied ground losses:
67 casualties reported
Guns lost 1

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Naval bombardment of Eniwetok, at 76,74

Japanese Ships
DD Nashi
DD Nire
DD Kaya
DD Momi
DD Tsubaki
DD Numakaze
DD Akikaze
DD Tanikaze
CL Tenryu
CL Tsugaru
CL Tsushima
CL Chitose
CA Iwate
BC Haruna
BC Hiei


Allied ground losses:
12 casualties reported

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Naval bombardment of Eniwetok, at 76,74

Japanese Ships
DD Kaede
DD Kashiwa
DD Matsu
DD Kaba
DD Tachibana
DD Sakura
CL Isuzu
CL Oi
CL Kuma
CL Tatsuta
BB Yamashiro


Allied ground losses:
30 casualties reported

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Naval bombardment of Eniwetok, at 76,74

Japanese Ships
DD Sakaki
DD Umi
DD Kusunoki
DD Kiri
BB Fuji
BB Asahi
BB Shikishima
BB Iwami
BB Hizen
BB Mikasa
BB Katori
BB Settsu


Allied ground losses:
47 casualties reported
Guns lost 4

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Sub attack at 99,74

Japanese Ships
SS No. 57, hits 2

Allied Ships
DD Hazelwood
DD Swasey
DD Welles
DD Thatcher
DD Elliot
DD Upshur

[Rysyonok]

AK Corregidor and DD Pope of USN sink during the night.

AFTER ACTION REPORTS FOR 10/24/22

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ASW attack at 72,73

Japanese Ships
DD Sugi, heavy damage
DD Tachikaze
DD Shiokaze
DD Amatsukaze

Allied Ships
SS R-13

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ASW attack near Mili at 84,85

Japanese Ships
SS No. 41

Allied Ships
DD Somers
DD Mugford

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TF 1012 encounters mine field at Mili (84,85)

Allied Ships
DD Somers
DD Mugford

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Sub attack at 98,74

Japanese Ships
SS No. 62

Allied Ships
DD John D. Ford

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Sub attack near Mili at 84,85

Japanese Ships
SS No. 41

Allied Ships
AK Kainalu
DD Somers
DD Mugford

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Sub attack at 79,78

Japanese Ships
DD Yakaze, heavy damage

Allied Ships
SS S-4

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Naval bombardment of Eniwetok, at 76,74

Japanese Ships
CL Hirado
CA Adzuma
CA Nisshin
CA Kasuga
BB Suwo
BB Kashima
CA Ibuki
BB Satsuma
BB Aki


Allied ground losses:
5 casualties reported
Guns lost 1

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Naval bombardment of Eniwetok, at 76,74

Japanese Ships
DD Nashi
DD Nire
DD Kaya
DD Momi
DD Tsubaki
DD Numakaze
DD Akikaze
DD Tanikaze
CL Tenryu
CL Tsugaru
CL Tsushima
CL Chitose
CA Iwate
BC Haruna
BC Hiei


Allied ground losses:
35 casualties reported
Guns lost 1

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Naval bombardment of Eniwetok, at 76,74

Japanese Ships
DD Kaede
DD Kashiwa
DD Matsu
DD Kaba
DD Tachibana
DD Sakura
CL Isuzu
CL Oi
CL Kuma
CL Tatsuta
BB Yamashiro


Allied ground losses:
11 casualties reported

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Naval bombardment of Eniwetok, at 76,74

Japanese Ships
DD Sakaki
DD Umi
DD Kusunoki
DD Kiri
BB Fuji
BB Asahi
BB Shikishima
BB Iwami
BB Hizen
BB Mikasa
BB Katori
BB Settsu


Allied ground losses:
39 casualties reported

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Sub attack at 98,74

Japanese Ships
SS No. 62

Allied Ships
PC Eagle 6, heavy damage

[jwilkerson]

With these bombardments of Eniwetok ... are you trying to run him out of supply in preparation for your ground attack, or are you just training up your boats ?

[Rysyonok]

ORIGINAL: jwilkerson

With these bombardments of Eniwetok ... are you trying to run him out of supply in preparation for your ground attack, or are you just training up your boats ?

Neither.

I'm using up supply storage of Eniwetok base. Once it hits 0 and once Mutsu and Co. get rid of their flotation damage, I am intending to abandon Eniwetok altogether.

[Rysyonok]

One more USN DD sinks just 180 miles off Johnston. I'm planning to tally up losses after next turn as it appears that USN ships made it to a port safely (or not).

USN aircraft reported operating from Mili. IJN battleships rerouted south to erase that unit from existence.

AFTER ACTION REPORTS FOR 10/25/22

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ASW attack at 79,78

Japanese Ships
CL Kuma
CL Chitose

Allied Ships
SS S-4

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Sub attack at 99,74

Japanese Ships
SS No. 57, hits 1

Allied Ships
DD Upshur, Torpedo hits 1, on fire
DD Swasey
DD Welles
DD Thatcher
DD Elliot
DD Hazelwood
DD Evans

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ASW attack near Eniwetok at 76,74

Japanese Ships
DD Sakaki
DD Umi
DD Nashi
DD Nire
DD Kaya
DD Momi
DD Tsubaki
DD Numakaze

Allied Ships
SS S-34, hits 1

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Sub attack at 79,78

Japanese Ships
CL Chitose, Torpedo hits 1, on fire
CL Hirado

Allied Ships
SS S-4

[jwilkerson]

If you bombard you can see how much AV he has and decide if you can kick him off (with that 1st IIB that was somewhere around there) or maybe you feel sorry for him and don't wanna !

[Rysyonok]

I'm not too inclined to kick him out of Eniwetok. He's got 12,000 infantry there - not some support troops, but frontline squads of 2nd and 3rd divisions, the ones that were able to disembark before APs went to the bottom. Let them starve

Plus, it's rather dangerous to send transports across sub-infested Marshalls.

[Rysyonok]

Scoreboard (10/25/1922)