RHS 5 & 6.758 comprehensive update uploaded/frozen/final?

[Bliztk]

Well I dont found it in the manual, but I remember reading it *somewhere*

[Mifune]

I concur with Bliztk as to have reading as such somewhere, I too do not remember where. But also it was pointed out on a thread that it was possible to fly over the mountains. Which from judging what attributes are given in pwhex is what is possible.

[el cid again]

Six or seven hours ago I began the uploading process for RHS 5.11 and 6.11 with the release of RHSEOS and RHSCVO.
I have now returned from work and will complete the process with the rest of the scenarios.

These are PRELIMINARY releases for the following purposes:

1) So people interested in the Release Six Maps with the map edge entry scheme can have something designed to work with it;

2) So people who for any reason are interested in 5.10 can have a number of improvements and eratta;

3) So people who want to run tests of the new aircraft maneuverability rating system, the new aircraft range system,
or the revised supply sink/support unit scheme have the ability to run those tests - in time to impact the difinitive version - which is 5.12/6.12.

I shall not sleep until that version is completed. I have to complete folding in eratta and cleaned location files and I must update Japanese supply sinks to the new standard already implemented for the Allies. I will check each hour for feedback and will incorporate anything that is useful on a near real time basis.

New in this release is:

1) Japanese heavy mortars - both WWI 27 cm type and WWII 32 cm type - replacing 81mm or 15cm mortars in 2 regiments each;

2) The new aircraft maneuverability values calculated by Mifune and first released in 5.10 - without changes;

3) The new aircraft range scheme in which operational ranges are the determining factor; this means in effect that fighter anything (fighter, fighter bomber, night fighter) ranges are unchanged, that land transport ranges are decreased, and everything else (including flying boat transports) is increased - so that operational extended ranges for all types except fighters amount to 42% of the PREVIOUS ferry range; Supplimenting this, the A6M2 Zero had 15 minutes added to its transfer range - giving it the 5 minutes radius extension (fighters get 1/3 of transfer range as extended range) needed to do a 10 hex operational mission.

4) RHS Version Six scenarios have had some tankers withheld for SLOC duty returned to player control - appearing at the South Atlantic Entry Hex (Tristan da Cunha) they may go either direction - to Indian Ocean or Pacific Ocean. [Other ships will be returned in 6.12]

5) In all scenarios of both versions CV, CVL and BB which appeared at Panama City now appear at the default Caribbean Entry Hex (Colon Panama for the time being).

6) A new supply sink scheme has been implemented in which large, pure supply sinks are classified as Dutch or Philippine, and are given a 99% fatigue rating. We have learned that once the first supply sink is lost with one of the generic officers, the rest with the same officer will revert to an all zero "staff officer" in command. We have decided this is not only acceptable but desireable and we are not changing it.

7) Japanese units rated as "chinese" are now generally rated as "philippine" - and assigned a generic officer different than the supply sink officer (who is competent only at administration). Each has its own generic officer. This applies mainly to construction battalions of IJA and JAAF and to Mongolian or Manchukuo cavalry units.


This release is for review, familiarization and short term testing: longer term testing should wait for the .12 version which will incorporate things already understood - but which need keying in. This probably happens Sunday.

[m10bob]

Excellent..Thank you.

[el cid again]

I am still working on ships and eratta and supply sinks for the comprehensive version of the new 5/6 level parallel releases. But some people want to see the new planes - changes to Swordfish, TBD, Barracuda and the new G7M1 -
so here they are. There are only aircraft, air group and comment files - you just copy this over a 5.11 or 6.11 set.

[Mifune]

Alright, where are they? Or is this another clever plot of misinformation? [:D]

[el cid again]

Did you check your email?

[Mifune]

Looks like the bloody mail server is down for maintence. I will try again in a bit.

[el cid again]

It is happening folks - the one with everything integrated.

Only not quite everything - I have some unreviewed eratta to fold in - but that process will never end.

This has it all and is suitable for use in games of some length. We need to find out what problems there
may be.

I will initate tests as well as work on Level 7 over the next three days

[el cid again]

This may be last - or second to last - Level 5/6 update. It mainly folds in eratta plus Japanese replacement units.
It also downgrades Thai morale and experience to normal levels.

[Monter_Trismegistos]

CVO 5.13:
Location 101: US Alaska Command is equipped with Japanese Sound Detector instead of Allied one.

BTW. When you will finally fix Sovuet Navy?

[el cid again]

What do you refer to? As far as I know - the Soviet Navy is entirely fixed - except in the technical sense it is classified as French! I did fold in your suggested spelling changes etc - did they get lost?

[Monter_Trismegistos]

Let's see if you are telling truth:

ORIGINAL: Monter_Trismegistos

S-52 - commisioned 430609 Better, but still not fixed
S-53 - commisioned 430130 Better, but still not fixed

Old ones:

1. Class 1585 (Leninet):
a) Name should be changed to Leninets (as last cyryllic sign in their name is in English transcribed as ts), or even better "L (proj. XI/XIII)" FIXED
b) To few torpedo tubes, ships of "L class proj. II" had 6 torpedo tubes, proj. XI and XIII had 8 torpedo tubes (6xF 2xR). There is no need for averaging them as all Far East ships were of 2 latter subclasses. NOT FIXED!!!
c) They were capable of carrying 20 mines, not 28 as in RHS. -
d) Are you sure that they should have better manuv. than S-class? These were large and not so new minelayers...
NOT FIXED
2. Class 1588 (Stalinets):
a) Name should be changed to Srednaya, or even better "S (proj. IX-bis)". Since later names of types were no longer named after ships but after its size (Srednaya means medium) and name Stalinets was already used by ship of another class (L2), thus it was NOT POSSIBLE to name this class Stalinetz. FIXED
b) Wrong number of torpedo tubes. Should have only 6 (4xF 2xR). NOT FIXED!!!

3. Ship 3893 Raztoropny:
a) Should be named Rastoropny - this is most common version of its name in English. NOT FIXED


4. Ship 3813 Baku:
She was on Far East from commisioning (401211) until leaving to North fleet in late 1942. Its arriving date (420915) in not correct. She was leaving theater on late 1942, not arriving - change its start date to 411206
FIXED

5. Ship 3418 Tibilsi:
Incorrectly named as Tibilsi, should be Tbilisi FIXED


6. Ship 4106 Revnostny:
Commissioning date: 411214 NOT FIXED


7. Ship 4115 Razyaryonnyi:
a) Should be named Razyaryonny (to keep consistent with style in which other ships names are transcribed into English) NOT FIXED
b) Commissioning date: 411214 NOT FIXED


8. Ship 4320 Razyaryonny:
Ship doubled with 4115 NOT FIXED!!!


9. Ship 4227 [now moved to 4225] Vnushitelnyi:
a) delete it, it was commisioned 471229. (I know you wont do this )
b) at least name her Vnushitelny to keep her name consistent with others. NOT FIXED

10. Ship 3586 Radyashtchi:
Should be Razyashchy. NOT FIXED

So let's count: of 18 errors:
- 12 were not fixed, 10 of them wasn't even touched
- 2 were discussable
- 4 were fixed

You also didn't answered why name TShch-XXX is too long.

Also new ones:

11. Ship 9410 S-51:
Still you don't understand in which way Soviet ships were moving during war. ALL Pacific ships that changed theater during war were LEAVING, not arriving. 421028 is more less date of end of its assignament to FE Fleet.
It was commisioned 30.11.1941.

[el cid again]

What scenario are you looking at? Are these issues identical in all scenarios? And what level are you looking at - 5 or 6? I realize it is not obvious what I do - or how it is done:

at the moment I have 18 scenarios to manage - you only know about 12 of them - and I hand the files around
to other people. If anyone - including me - ever gets confused about what is the version of a file - or if a
record that is fixed is moved from its first file to the others - but a "save" does not take - it is not fixed in fact -
even though the work was done. The different scenario files are NOT identical in most cases - so each one needs fixing: it is not unusual to find a problem in 1, 2, 3, 4, 5 or 6 different files. Anyway - your kind of reporting is the very best - in that you give record numbers - but it could be better still if I knew where you are looking?

I don't think any of these issues are factual problems.

As for why SHCH is too long - we have a problem with a presentation of reports and I have been systematically reducing it by reducing name length. I concluded - when I got below 1% report issues - that I cannot fix this entirely - and so I asked Matrix to chop the too long reports onto two lines - and I got a favorable response. This problem isn't fixed - but will be fixed I believe. It is less an issue than it once was.

[Monter_Trismegistos]

Ooops. I have forgotten to add: Soviet errors are found in RAO 5.13.

BTW. When I find a possible error I always download the latest version from RHS site, and I look only in two sub-mods: CVO and RAO.

ORIGINAL: el cid again
As for why SHCH is too long - we have a problem with a presentation of reports and I have been systematically reducing it by reducing name length. I concluded - when I got below 1% report issues - that I cannot fix this entirely - and so I asked Matrix to chop the too long reports onto two lines - and I got a favorable response. This problem isn't fixed - but will be fixed I believe. It is less an issue than it once was.

I was asking, because I found a lot of much longer names in RHS. Also if I can suggest you one thing. It may be better to write Shch and TShch instead of SHCH and TSHCH because Shch in Russian is a single letter ( Щ )

ORIGINAL: M_T
1. Class 1585 (Leninet):
a) Name should be changed to Leninets (as last cyryllic sign in their name is in English transcribed as ts), or even better "L (proj. XI/XIII)" FIXED

My error: actually it was NOT FIXED.

PS. I checked - all these errors weren't fixed also for RAO 6.14

[el cid again]

OK:

We have some Soviet Navy eratta reported by Montor above;
We have some new Indian Army OB data recommented by K;
We have some Allied Army eratta reported by Martin;
Two of three BBO like scenarios don't have all the US DEs and subs in their
alternate forms;
a fixed fort moves to Rangoon!;
and already corrected 2 battleships;
- and I have found AK Don Jose is
probably set to the wrong entry point - but not yet found her record

so

I will issue a x.15 update tomorrow (must work today)

with these and ANY other reported corrections -

[m10bob]

If the details of the original WITP was scrutinized as diligently, it would STILL not be released yet..........[:D]

[el cid again]

This is the first time I have heard RAO was in use by anyone. I am glad I kept it in the set. These will fold into 5.14.

For 5.14/6.14 I am going to go hunting for obscure things - like device "weights" for naval guns - which do not have to be right - and make them right anyway - in case any one ever assigns them to a land unit. I am going to update some Commonwealth units - which I think are not given the great attention that US, Japanese, Dutch, even Axis Allied have been. I have some reports to review of various eratta - some out of date but there may be lines that still apply. I will take my time and attempt to issue complete revisions. I do not expect to revise 5 or 6 again - but go over to 7 and not backdate - unless we find a major technical improvement. 7 - which is in preliminary exchange between Cobra and myself - is quite different in technical terms - and it is a nightmare working on changes to 18 scenarios - so we are going back to 6 soon!

[Herrbear]

I think I may have found some errors in 6.14 for scenario 060.

Russian ships #9459-9476 which are the BO 201 - BO 223 (Class #1590 SN BO201 SC) show as arriving in Location #857=Nome (Alaska)

Russian ships #9447-9458 which are the T-271 - T-282 (Class #1589 Lekaryev MSW) show as arriving in Location #853=Seattle (Washington)

Shouldn't ship #6658 be named the Kanimbla. You currently show it as Kanimba.

Is this correct?

[Monter_Trismegistos]

Those ships you have mentioned are lend-lease ships built in US shipyards. (Lekaryev Class = Admirable Class)