RIDERS ON THE STORM-THANK YOU

[Gen.Hoepner]

ORIGINAL: Andrew Brown

ORIGINAL: cantona2

Apologies if this has been addressed in your HR's, but in CHS, arent the sea lanes leading to Aden out of bounds for the Jap player. I was under the impression that AB used Aden to represent bases off theatre in South Africa and so on.

That is correct. As I mentioned above though, I never added this to the suggested CHS house rules, which I should have done.

This is also why I put such a strong base force at Aden - to discourage Japanese players from attacking a base they should not be attacking in the first place.

I also forgot to mention - I gave Aden another trick up its sleeve for the same reason. It is an urban hex.

Andrew

[:D] I didn't notice that!I supposed Aden was a plain terrain hex...well, so far so good![8|]
I think a good HR would be in these cases: Japan cannot attack Aden if India hasn't been all conquered...but that's not the case. We do not have any HR for Aden or for India. My blame not to have asked for something like this.
Anyway i'm still positive[;)]

[Elladan]

Even without any supplies it's still at least 4000 AV Japanese needed to make it 1:1. A lot of troops that may not be easily spared for such operation. Could you get a Corps HQ to Manila? It would help your defense.

[racndoc]

Gen. Hoepner.....

You finally convinced me to start contingency planning for an India assault in my game. One question....how was trollelite able to disable your 9.2"" CD guns at Tricomcolee so rapidly?

[Gen.Hoepner]

First of all: no, there isn't any HQ corp to send to Manila. None available right now.
 
Adm.: He simply bomb it with BBs once and the 9.2 were gone for good. Was pretty strange indeed. I guess bad dice and rolls and nothing more...
 
However Adm, if you want my suggestion...go for India, soon, but go first for DH-Dacca area. Then, when his forces will be thrown in, invade Cylon and not vice-versa (IMHO).
 
Anyway, glad to have made up your mind[:D]

[Gen.Hoepner]

Ah, Andrew B.: are u sure Aden is a urban hex? pressing the "1" it shows Aden as a "cd" hex (coastal -desert)....

[Andrew Brown]

ORIGINAL: Gen.Hoepner

Ah, Andrew B.: are u sure Aden is a urban hex? pressing the "1" it shows Aden as a "cd" hex (coastal -desert)....

I guess you must be using an older version of my map. I can't remember exactly when I made Aden an urban hex.

[Gen.Hoepner]

Andrew, i've downloaded this version from your site not more than 2 months ago....[&:]

[Andrew Brown]

ORIGINAL: Gen.Hoepner

Andrew, i've downloaded this version from your site not more than 2 months ago....[&:]

The version 6.3 file (which is an update) definitely has Aden as an Urban hex. That is the latest version of the map data file I have available. I haven't checked the 6.2 version.

Andrew

[Gen.Hoepner]

You're right Andrew. I had the v.6.2...now updated to 6.3 and Aden is a CU hex!:-) Thx
 
Wonder how this can change things...what happens if he has a different version? which version is going to effect the gameplay? mine or his?

[Jim D Burns]

ORIGINAL: Gen.Hoepner

You're right Andrew. I had the v.6.2...now updated to 6.3 and Aden is a CU hex!:-) Thx

Wonder how this can change things...what happens if he has a different version? which version is going to effect the gameplay? mine or his?

Japan is the dominate player PC, the allies are slaved to the Japanese players settings. And I don't think you can change the database of a scenario once it is started, so changing the map mid-game may cause real trouble for you.

Jim

[Andrew Brown]

ORIGINAL: Jim D Burns
Japan is the dominate player PC, the allies are slaved to the Japanese players settings. And I don't think you can change the database of a scenario once it is started, so changing the map mid-game may cause real trouble for you.

Jim

It should be OK to change the map data file, but only if BOTH players change it. So this should be coordinated with the Japanese player.

Of course if you propose to the Japanese player that you both use the 6.3 map data file, and he refuses, that might indicate his preference for Aden NOT to be an urban hex...

[cantona2]

You back in action yet GH?

[Fishbed]

Well going for Aden at all would be extremely gamey. It was made to give the Allied player some realistic relief in case they get Pzb-ed, and that's what it is for. He's not even supposed to strike it...
I would be disappointed by Trolle if he goes as far as considering invading the place...

[Gen.Hoepner]

Hi all, Trollelite should get back in action this week end....let'shope to get back to fight asap![8D]

[Gen.Hoepner]

AFTER ACTION REPORTS FOR 01/18/42
 
Hi, finally we're back into the heart of action!
The struggle for India goes on...
 
Nothing much happened during this turn.
He keeps concentrating his forces at Tric., while dozens of ships come up from Singapore...the whole IJA is moving towards India!
We started to move back slowly to our planned retro-bases. Bombay must be secured asap, along with Delhi and Karachi.
What really puzzles me is the number of losses for my planes on Naval search...also today, keeping them at 26,600 fts i've lost 43 planes due to A2A causes....i'm forced to keep my bombers down, no matter what altitude i set them...they simply get kicked out of the skies...he must have hundreds of zeros parked at Tricomale...
 
This game trills me a lot!!!![:D]
 
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Day Air attack on Colombo , at 11,25
 
Japanese aircraft
A6M2 Zero x 39
Ki-21-II Sally x 184
Ki-49 Helen x 49
 
Allied aircraft
no flights
 
Japanese aircraft losses
Ki-21-II Sally: 24 damaged
Ki-49 Helen: 5 damaged
 
Allied aircraft losses
P-40B Tomahawk: 3 destroyed
P-40E Warhawk: 1 destroyed
Albacore: 1 destroyed
 
 
Allied ground losses:
74 casualties reported
 
Airbase hits 10
Airbase supply hits 2
Runway hits 98
 

[Gen.Hoepner]

AFTER ACTION REPORTS FOR 01/19/42


Another bad day for the brits...
Japanese CVs stationed at Tricomale launched a Huge strike against Mannargudi AF...only 18 planes of mine took off and didn't manage to score a single hit...all of them are wiped out of the sky...then the evil enemy's planes smashed the AF, closing it and destroying more 30 planes on the ground. I cannot stand anymore these heavy daily losses...had to remove back my squadrons from the first line, while the backbone of my armies are falling back to the planned defensive positions... Few days and Colombo will fall...after that it will be only a matter of time for a major landing in India! Burma is slowly being evacuated..hope to manage to save some units from there...

Some uncoordinated Nells strikes took of from Tricomale in order to smash my AKs at Madras...good to know the zeros aren't with them...we chewed up some nells in the process[:D]
My subs keep on attacking his reinforcements TFs heading to Tricomale from Singapore...another AP full of troops goes down[8D]

2 more weeks and we'll start a brand new operation called "Philippinian Raphsody"[:'(]...hope to force him to move some of his precious assets from Indian adventure....


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Sub attack at 17,30

Japanese Ships
AP Jinshu Maru, Torpedo hits 1, on fire[:D]
AP Chinko Maru
PG Zuiko Maru
PG Toyotsu Maru
PG Daido Maru
PG Chokai Maru

Allied Ships
SS Sturgeon

Japanese ground losses:
26 casualties reported

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Day Air attack on TF, near Madras at 17,21

Japanese aircraft
G3M Nell x 9

Allied aircraft
Buffalo I x 16
Hurricane IIb x 11
P-40B Tomahawk x 8
P-40E Warhawk x 6

Japanese aircraft losses
G3M Nell: 2 destroyed, 5 damaged
Ki-46-II Dinah: 1 destroyed

Allied aircraft losses
Buffalo I: 1 damaged
Hurricane IIb: 1 damaged

Allied Ships
AK Sibigo, Bomb hits 1, on fire
AK Empire Activity

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Day Air attack on TF, near Madras at 17,21

Japanese aircraft
G3M Nell x 3

Allied aircraft
Buffalo I x 16
Hurricane IIb x 11
P-40B Tomahawk x 8
P-40E Warhawk x 6

Japanese aircraft losses
G3M Nell: 3 destroyed

Allied aircraft losses
P-40E Warhawk: 1 damaged

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Day Air attack on TF, near Madras at 17,21

Japanese aircraft
G3M Nell x 3

Allied aircraft
Buffalo I x 16
Hurricane IIb x 11
P-40B Tomahawk x 8
P-40E Warhawk x 6

Japanese aircraft losses
G3M Nell: 1 destroyed, 1 damaged


Allied Ships
AK Gorgon

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Day Air attack on Madurai , at 13,21[X(][X(]

Japanese aircraft
A6M2 Zero x 54
D3A2 Val x 86
B5N2 Kate x 166
Ki-15 Babs x 1

Allied aircraft
Buffalo I x 9
P-40E Warhawk x 9

Japanese aircraft losses
A6M2 Zero: 1 damaged
D3A2 Val: 1 destroyed, 8 damaged
B5N2 Kate: 1 destroyed, 2 damaged

Allied aircraft losses
Buffalo I: 10 destroyed
P-40E Warhawk: 9 destroyed
Hudson I: 2 destroyed
CW-22 Falcon: 2 destroyed


Allied ground losses:
90 casualties reported
Guns lost 2
Vehicles lost 2

Airbase hits 15
Airbase supply hits 10
Runway hits 81

[Gen.Hoepner]

AFTER ACTION REPORTS FOR 01/20/42


OUCH![:@] Japanese Naval and air forces wiped out the RAF from Southern India...Madras has been closed today with 2 naval bombardment runs and the usual strike of KB...lost nerly 100 planes and now the situation is really really really grimm.
My only hope is to have the time to flow back...

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TF 43 encounters mine field at Madras (17,21)

Japanese Ships
DD Shiokaze, Mine hits 1, on fire

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Sub attack at 16,31

Japanese Ships
AK Shozan Maru, Shell hits 6, on fire[:D]

Allied Ships
SS Argonaut

Japanese ground losses:
92 casualties reported

My subs are fighting even when the torps are finished![:D]
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ASW attack at 17,30

Japanese Ships
PC Ch 32
PC Ch 18
PC Ch 17
PC Ch 13
PC Takunan Maru #5
PC Shonan Maru #17
PC Shonan Maru #6
APD Patrol Boat No. 39
APD Patrol Boat No. 38
APD Patrol Boat No. 37
APD Patrol Boat No. 36
APD Patrol Boat No. 35
APD Patrol Boat No. 34
APD Patrol Boat No. 33
APD Patrol Boat No. 32
APD Patrol Boat No. 31

Allied Ships
SS Sturgeon, hits 6

He sent his ASW TFs to clear the route towards Singapore...Sturgeon got hit but he should survive
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Naval bombardment of Mannargudi, at 15,22[:@]

Japanese Ships
CL Kinu
DD Asagumo
DD Yamagumo
DD Arashio
DD Michishio
DD Oshio
DD Asashio
DD Hagikaze
DD Arashi
DD Tokitsukaze
DD Yukikaze
CL Tama
CL Kuma
CL Abukuma
CL Yura


Allied ground losses:
158 casualties reported
Guns lost 5
Vehicles lost 4

Airbase hits 3
Runway hits 3
Port hits 1
Port supply hits 1

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Naval bombardment of Madras, at 17,21 - Coastal Guns Fire Back![:(]


Allied aircraft
no flights


Allied aircraft losses
Blenheim IV: 1 destroyed
Hurricane IIb: 1 destroyed

8 Coastal gun shots fired in defense.
Japanese Ships
CA Ashigara
CA Nachi
CA Haguro, Shell hits 1
CA Myoko
CA Chikuma
CA Tone, Shell hits 2

Allied Ships
AK Zaandam, Shell hits 1


Allied ground losses:
1777 casualties reported
Guns lost 52
Vehicles lost 2

Airbase hits 2
Airbase supply hits 2
Runway hits 22
Port hits 4
Port fuel hits 2
Port supply hits 5

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Naval bombardment of Madras, at 17,21


Allied aircraft
no flights


Allied aircraft losses
Buffalo I: 2 destroyed
P-40B Tomahawk: 1 destroyed
Hurricane IIb: 2 destroyed

Japanese Ships
CA Kako
CA Furutaka
CA Chokai
CA Maya
CA Atago
CA Takao

Allied Ships
AK Zaandam, Shell hits 8, on fire, heavy damage


Allied ground losses:
687 casualties reported
Guns lost 8

Airbase hits 7
Airbase supply hits 3
Runway hits 15
Port hits 20
Port fuel hits 2
Port supply hits 7

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Naval bombardment of Madras, at 17,21


Allied aircraft
no flights


Allied aircraft losses
P-40B Tomahawk: 1 destroyed
Buffalo I: 2 destroyed
A-20B Boston: 1 destroyed
B-17D Fortress: 1 destroyed
Hurricane IIb: 1 destroyed
P-40E Warhawk: 1 destroyed

Japanese Ships
CA Kinugasa
CA Aoba
CA Kumano
CA Suzuya
CA Mikuma
CA Mogami

Allied Ships
AK Zaandam, Shell hits 10, on fire, heavy damage


Allied ground losses:
730 casualties reported
Guns lost 9

Airbase hits 7
Airbase supply hits 5
Runway hits 22
Port hits 22
Port fuel hits 5
Port supply hits 6

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Naval bombardment of Mannargudi, at 15,22

Japanese Ships
DD Sagiri
DD Ayanami
DD Shikinami
DD Uranami
DD Isonami
DD Usugumo
CL Isuzu
CL Nagara
CL Naka
CL Sendai
CL Natori
CL Jintsu


Allied ground losses:
59 casualties reported
Guns lost 1

Airbase hits 1
Runway hits 8
Port supply hits 4

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Day Air attack on Madras , at 17,21

Japanese aircraft
A6M2 Zero x 23
D3A2 Val x 41[X(]
B5N2 Kate x 153[X(]
E13A1 Jake x 1

Allied aircraft
Buffalo I x 4
Hurricane IIb x 3
P-40B Tomahawk x 1

Japanese aircraft losses
D3A2 Val: 1 destroyed, 12 damaged
B5N2 Kate: 4 destroyed, 14 damaged

Allied aircraft losses
Buffalo I: 9 destroyed
Hurricane IIb: 2 destroyed
P-40B Tomahawk: 4 destroyed
P-40E Warhawk: 5 destroyed
Blenheim IV: 5 destroyed
PBY Catalina: 3 destroyed
A-20B Boston: 1 destroyed
B-17D Fortress: 1 destroyed

Airbase hits 10
Airbase supply hits 5
Runway hits 135


Oh guys...The indian Campaign is going to be a real pain....

[Jim D Burns]

ORIGINAL: Gen.Hoepner
Oh guys...The indian Campaign is going to be a real pain....

I feel your pain, the allies have no chance against that much Imperial power so soon in the game.

Realistically there were lots of Indian troops that were available to fight in India that are not in the game’s OOB for play balance reasons.

Perhaps the CHS crew should look into including them and treating them like the fixed Corps in China. It would definitely make India a more realistic campaign if there were Indian Colonial forces in every base hex in India.

Jim

[Gen.Hoepner]

AFTER ACTION REPORTS FOR 01/21/42
 
Yes Jim...India is really undefended...the country is so big and the allies have so few forces....[:(]
 
Today was another day of slughter...Madras is now a smoking ruin and more 40 allied planes lay in pieces on the AFs...
 
He will probably land here...in order to provide a level 4 AF asap for his planes...really do not know how to handle him if not falling back...
I rebased my planes at Karachi,Bombay and Delhi...but he simply outnumber me 10-1 in terms of planes...how can i hope to handle him??
 
 
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TF 62 encounters mine field at Madras (17,21)
 
Japanese Ships
DD Natsugumo
BB Nagato, Mine hits 1[:D]
DD Akebono
DD Akatsuki
 
At least the VH2 mines keep on hurting his fleet
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Naval bombardment of Madras, at 17,21
 
 
Allied aircraft
no flights
 
 
Allied aircraft losses
Blenheim IV: 1 destroyed
 
Japanese Ships
CA Kako
CA Furutaka
CA Chokai
CA Maya
CA Atago
CA Takao
 
 
Allied ground losses:
935 casualties reported
Guns lost 7
Vehicles lost 1
 
Airbase hits 2
Runway hits 19
Port hits 17
Port fuel hits 3
Port supply hits 7
 
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Naval bombardment of Madras, at 17,21
 
 
Allied aircraft
no flights
 
 
Allied aircraft losses
B-17E Fortress: 1 destroyed
A-20B Boston: 2 destroyed
Blenheim IV: 1 destroyed
 
Japanese Ships
BB Fuso
BB Hyuga
BB Mutsu
BB Kongo
 
 
Allied ground losses:
1183 casualties reported
Guns lost 7
 
Airbase hits 4
Airbase supply hits 1
Runway hits 14
Port hits 11
Port fuel hits 2
Port supply hits 8
 
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Day Air attack on Madras , at 17,21
 
Japanese aircraft
A6M2 Zero x 27
D3A2 Val x 48
B5N2 Kate x 155
E13A1 Jake x 1
 
Allied aircraft
no flights
 
Japanese aircraft losses
D3A2 Val: 1 damaged
B5N2 Kate: 3 damaged
 
Allied aircraft losses
PBY Catalina: 2 destroyed
Blenheim IV: 1 destroyed
B-17E Fortress: 1 destroyed
A-20B Boston: 1 destroyed
 
 
Allied ground losses:
10 casualties reported
 
Airbase hits 9
Airbase supply hits 4
Runway hits 52
 
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Day Air attack on Madras , at 17,21
 
Japanese aircraft
G3M Nell x 63
G4M1 Betty x 65
Ki-43-Ib Oscar x 30
Ki-21-II Sally x 127
Ki-46-II Dinah x 1
 
Allied aircraft
no flights
 
Japanese aircraft losses
G4M1 Betty: 2 damaged
Ki-21-II Sally: 1 destroyed, 3 damaged
 
Allied aircraft losses
A-20B Boston: 4 destroyed
PBY Catalina: 2 destroyed
B-17E Fortress: 1 destroyed
Blenheim IV: 1 destroyed
 
 
Allied ground losses:
21 casualties reported
 
Airbase hits 7
Airbase supply hits 7
Runway hits 84
 
 

[Jim D Burns]

ORIGINAL: Gen.Hoepner
how can i hope to handle him??

Your only hope is to try and find a situation like I have in Australia at Alice Springs. I have ground troops at Tennant Creek that will dig forts and defend, and my air force from Alice Springs will bomb Japan if he enters Tennant Creek with land forces. Otherwise I will not engage his air forces, even if he pounds my units daily at Tennant Creek. Sure an ambush LRCAP once in a while when I get some decent fighters, but allied air cannot stand up to Japanese air toe to toe for at least a year, so the best you can do is fight from second line bases.

For now I concede forward air superiority to him everywhere but Burma. I’d recommend you do the same, don’t put any aircraft within range of escorted strikes. Use you planes to disrupt his attacking units from rear area bases.

That’s about the best you can hope for, and once he’s within range of your last airbase in India, you can expect your airforce to get wiped out very quickly. So turn off replacements for your air groups as your perimeter shrinks and you lose the ability to hide in the rear.

Burma is a unique situation, the Brits have enough fighters to contest the air here basically because Japan only has so many airfields and planes right now. With our stacking limits HR (50 per point of airbase), I actually outnumber his fighters on most of his attacks. I'm still losing, but at least I can cause him some damage in Burma, so the losses are worth it.

Once Singapore is gone though, a large bomber force will slaughter my fighters on the ground and I'll have to concede the air in Burma as well. Unfortunately for you, he already has those bombers available, and I don’t think you have the 10 or so Hurricane groups I do yet, so you’re totally outclassed.

Jim