A new ACW..

[Titanwarrior89]

Actually, California 47, Virginia 46, New Jersey 45....taxes......Virginia is taxes and taxes and 55 mile hour speed limit on to many roads.[:D]

ORIGINAL: Chickenboy

ORIGINAL: Titanwarrior89

Well New York upgraded their gun laws, including ammo.  Now I can only live in 49 states.[;)][X(]

Make it 48. Illinois gun laws are stricter yet. They don't let a little think like the constitution or supreme court overturning their laws stand in their way!

[wodin]

Looks like your all heading towards being disarmed..very sad..one reason why I wanted to live in the states..gone..oh by the way your gangs and criminals will still have them though..but you wont.

[2ndACR]

Nah, I will always have my guns.........The feds will make me a felon in name long before I hand over my guns. Just not gonna happen. The sheep can turn theirs in if they want, me I will keep my teeth.

[Chickenboy]

ORIGINAL: wodin

Looks like your all heading towards being disarmed..very sad..one reason why I wanted to live in the states..gone..oh by the way your gangs and criminals will still have them though..but you wont.

LOL...no, wodin, I wouldn't say that mate. We're not giving up guns just yet. May be just a wee bit early to make that conclusion. But different states *do* have different laws re: gun ownership. Some of them are upheld by the US Supreme court, others overturned (e.g., Washington, D.C.). What the states decide is of lesser legal importance compared to Federal statutes and constitutional rights when challenged.

[wodin]

In the UK first thing was everyone had to be inspected and have the guns under lock and key, hidden from thieves etc etc..they where checked once a year. Then another shooting happened and everyone had to hand in their guns receiving little compensation. So it started with new laws but people could still own them, but ended up with them all being handed in. Even our air rifles\pistols are restricted!! Yet I can buy a hand crossbow..something I intend to get soon..zombies and all..

[wodin]

LINK

Come on..rise up my American Brothers...you start there I will start here...

[goodwoodrw]

ORIGINAL: Chickenboy

ORIGINAL: Titanwarrior89

Well New York upgraded their gun laws, including ammo.  Now I can only live in 49 states.[;)][X(]

Make it 48. Illinois gun laws are stricter yet. They don't let a little think like the constitution or supreme court overturning their laws stand in their way!

How does Illinios differ from other states, also are gun laws a state or federal matter?
Ron

[2ndACR]

A lot of northern states, liberal states, make it almost impossible to legally own a gun. Hence the reason mainly the criminals have guns. They do not care about laws. Most of the restrictive gun law states/cities have the highest crime rates in the US. Criminals are going to go to a sheep heavy location instead of a location that has wolves in sheep clothing.

A survey done long ago, given to convicted criminals, asked:

What did you fear the most while committing your crimes?

A. the penalty handed down
B. The police
C. Private citizen with a gun

90% or so all said C. Private citizens with a gun are more apt to pull the trigger on a criminal. Non police do not have to tell a criminal 100 times to freeze, or put down a weapon, they will usually shoot first and ask questions later if they find a stranger in their house.

Gun laws in Illinois

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Gun_laws_in_Illinois

Gun Laws in Texas

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Gun_laws_in_Texas

[Chickenboy]

ORIGINAL: BASB

ORIGINAL: Chickenboy

ORIGINAL: Titanwarrior89

Well New York upgraded their gun laws, including ammo.  Now I can only live in 49 states.[;)][X(]

Make it 48. Illinois gun laws are stricter yet. They don't let a little think like the constitution or supreme court overturning their laws stand in their way!

How does Illinios differ from other states, also are gun laws a state or federal matter?
Ron

Gun laws are an interesting amalgum of Federal, State and even local laws. The local and state laws have primary impact, excepting interference / intervention of the Federal government. It gets to the point where some stores / offices / buildings, etc. have the right (sometimes questionably) to dictate what you will and won't bring onto the premise.

[Chickenboy]

Especially for folks that aren't American, this site is a nice, neutral purveyor of the facts concerning gun laws, gun violence, and the like. Strongly recommended:

http://www.justfacts.com/guncontrol.asp

[Max 86]

ORIGINAL: 2ndACR

Nah, I will always have my guns.........The feds will make me a felon in name long before I hand over my guns. Just not gonna happen. The sheep can turn theirs in if they want, me I will keep my teeth.

Major +1.

Live free or die.

I know many who are making contingency plans in my area.

Prep for war, PRAY for peace!

[Titanwarrior89]

Well let's do away with alcohol.  You know how many drunk/impaired drivers kill people each year in the U.S..  I'll say it again...the Police only arrive to ID the bodies.  Again the mother in the closet with her babies.....what does it take for some people to believe.  I guess a serious situation must happen to them or their children to get it.

[vonRocko]

I legally and safely own a few 75 round drums and several 30 round clips and other assorted magazines, what happens when/if obama and co. have their way and ban these types? I guess he will turn a tax paying law abiding citizen {me} into a criminal!! What about the millions of others? What about other countries producing them and finding their way here? We all know how successful keeping drugs out is, so why would this be different? Once again I guess only the criminals will have them. "Concrete steps we can take right now to protect our children" says our great leader! Well give me the gun, I'll protect my child.[&:]

[vonRocko]

ORIGINAL: Titanwarrior89

I guess a serious situation must happen to them or their children to get it.

Ain't it the Truth!

[parusski]

FBI stats reveal that in 2011:

323 people were murdered with rifles.
496 people were murdered with blunt objects.
1,694 people were murdered with knives.

My God, we must ban blunt objects and knives too.[8|]

[Orm]

ORIGINAL: parusski

FBI stats reveal that in 2011:

323 people were murdered with rifles.
496 people were murdered with blunt objects.
1,694 people were murdered with knives.

My God, we must ban blunt objects and knives too.[8|]

Would it be possible to post the complete stats from FBI or a link to where you found them?

[Orm]

ORIGINAL: parusski

FBI stats reveal that in 2011:

323 people were murdered with rifles.
496 people were murdered with blunt objects.
1,694 people were murdered with knives.

My God, we must ban blunt objects and knives too.[8|]

In Sweden we have a 'knife law' that put a limit on where you may carry a knife and other dangerous objects. You are allowed to carry a knife if you have a reasonable use for it or if you take a walk into the woods and so on. But you may not bring a knife to a pub. Recently the court ruled that a baseball bat was included by the law in some circumstances. I find it interesting that there is no opposition to this law in Sweden. Note that we have also a gun law that say that you need a license to own a firearm. It also regulates on how you must store the gun and how and when you may use the gun. With this said we have plenty of hunting rifles in Sweden.

We also have some 20,000 soldiers in the home guard and most of them store their persnal gear at home and that often include their personal arms.
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Home_Guard_(Sweden)


I cut in what Swedish Wikipedia said about the knife act below but I didn't have the energy to translate it myself so the translation might be bad.

Knife Act From Wikipedia
Act (1988:254) on Prohibition of knives and other dangerous objects, commonly knife law, is a law in Sweden from 1988 prohibiting the possession of knives and other objects "are intended to be used as weapons in crimes against life and health "in public places. Such weapons such as brass knuckles, may also not transferable to persons under 21 years of age or offered for sale. The Act does not apply where the Weapons Act applies. "Spring Style Setter or flick knives" may not legally be possessed by people under 21 years. Violation of law rules provide a fine or imprisonment not exceeding six months. At felony shall be sentenced to a year in prison.

[Orm]

On Swedish main TV news there was a piece from a school in Harold, Texas. There some (most?) of the teachers were armed with guns. The school also had an extensive security system with a lot of surveillance cameras.

This seems to me to be a nice school to send children to.

I have, with difficulty, tried to stay out of this debate. I feel this does not concern me so I have no say in the matter. But with that said I do wonder how come feelings are so strong on this subject.

[parusski]

ORIGINAL: Orm

ORIGINAL: parusski

FBI stats reveal that in 2011:

323 people were murdered with rifles.
496 people were murdered with blunt objects.
1,694 people were murdered with knives.

My God, we must ban blunt objects and knives too.[8|]

Would it be possible to post the complete stats from FBI or a link to where you found them?

These stats are all over Google, but I got them from a Washington DC CBS affiliate.

FBI stats here

[Orm]

ORIGINAL: parusski

ORIGINAL: Orm

ORIGINAL: parusski

FBI stats reveal that in 2011:

323 people were murdered with rifles.
496 people were murdered with blunt objects.
1,694 people were murdered with knives.

My God, we must ban blunt objects and knives too.[8|]

Would it be possible to post the complete stats from FBI or a link to where you found them?

These stats are all over Google, but I got them from a Washington DC CBS affiliate.

FBI stats here

Thank you, Steiner. [:)]

I am sure they are all over Google but since I am way to lazy I prefer to ask someone reliable instead of using a search engine.