Return of the Sheep! - JocMeister(A) vs. MrKane(J)

[Lowpe]

Mr. Kane just lost China in his game against Spidery in late Dec 42. He wants payback against you![:)]

Don't panic...well just a little.[:D] Remember to have fun. Smiling, while being kicked, when you are down, is a must have skill for the game!

Are you evacuating any Chinese to India? Not to early to be moving those 5 units (I think) to India. Get em out early.

I still can't get over taking Ankang with paratroops. [X(] Perhaps, if he crushes China we might see an attack on Russia? You would then get a chance to play with troops most people never have! Might not be fun for you, but interesting for us your gentle readers.[:)]

[JocMeister]

ORIGINAL: Lowpe

Mr. Kane just lost China in his game against Spidery in late Dec 42. He wants payback against you![:)]

Don't panic...well just a little.[:D] Remember to have fun. Smiling, while being kicked, when you are down, is a must have skill for the game!

Are you evacuating any Chinese to India? Not to early to be moving those 5 units (I think) to India. Get em out early.

I still can't get over taking Ankang with paratroops. [X(] Perhaps, if he crushes China we might see an attack on Russia? You would then get a chance to play with troops most people never have! Might not be fun for you, but interesting for us your gentle readers.[:)]

Haha, I´ll try to have fun! At least I havn´t lost my entire navy (yet) like I did against Erik! [:D] That Ankang drop was very clever. I set troops moving for it on the first turn. Should have flown a garrison in. I think an attack on Russia is very unlikely even with China knocked out earlier then usual. Would be fun if he did though! [:)]

[Lowpe]

ORIGINAL: JocMeister
Should have flown a garrison in. [:)]

Seriously, who would think to do that? Well, now, yes., but before?

Well, you did manage to lose Force Z on day 1, against better advice if I might say so.[:D] To think you might have been able to field a full battleship fleet for the Allies...that would have been neat to see! Mahan would have been proud.

I think you are doing great so far...given the opening. As you know, your day will come!

[ny59giants]

You might need to spend a few days worth of PP on leaders for some of your Chinese troops.

[Cribtop]

ORIGINAL: JocMeister

ORIGINAL: Lokasenna

ORIGINAL: JocMeister



Huh? [&:]

That one starts at Shanghai.

What that intel is telling you is that he (probably) moved some cheap AV there to meet the garrison requirement, then pulled the division out. It's also telling you that it's in at least 24 fragments.

Well I know THAT! [:)]

The huh was the destination. Why is he sending them to CRB?

Or he set CRB as a dummy destination and they are now steaming in another direction. It's probably staging, but you never know.

[obvert]

It's possible to also set the destination to one base and a waypoint destination in another place entirely. Once either at or near the waypoint destination the final target could be set, or the ships could just stay on patrol there. I tried this a few times in our game, although of course I'm not sure it worked! [;)]

[JocMeister]

ORIGINAL: Lowpe

ORIGINAL: JocMeister
Should have flown a garrison in. [:)]

Seriously, who would think to do that? Well, now, yes., but before?

Well, you did manage to lose Force Z on day 1, against better advice if I might say so.[:D] To think you might have been able to field a full battleship fleet for the Allies...that would have been neat to see! Mahan would have been proud.

I think you are doing great so far...given the opening. As you know, your day will come!

Thanks! [:)]

ORIGINAL: ny59giants

You might need to spend a few days worth of PP on leaders for some of your Chinese troops.

Already doing it in places that are critical. Actually prioritizing over anything else right now.

[JocMeister]

ORIGINAL: Cribtop
Or he set CRB as a dummy destination and they are now steaming in another direction. It's probably staging, but you never know.

Thats my biggest worry. If I hadn´t a fix on KB and MKB I would be very worried right now with 3 full IDs on the move.

ORIGINAL: obvert
It's possible to also set the destination to one base and a waypoint destination in another place entirely. Once either at or near the waypoint destination the final target could be set, or the ships could just stay on patrol there. I tried this a few times in our game, although of course I'm not sure it worked! [;)]

Not sure either. Probably not as I had a very good fix on your IDs. At least later in the game. [:)]

[Lokasenna]

ORIGINAL: JocMeister

ORIGINAL: Cribtop
Or he set CRB as a dummy destination and they are now steaming in another direction. It's probably staging, but you never know.

Thats my biggest worry. If I hadn´t a fix on KB and MKB I would be very worried right now with 3 full IDs on the move.

ORIGINAL: obvert
It's possible to also set the destination to one base and a waypoint destination in another place entirely. Once either at or near the waypoint destination the final target could be set, or the ships could just stay on patrol there. I tried this a few times in our game, although of course I'm not sure it worked! [;)]

Not sure either. Probably not as I had a very good fix on your IDs. At least later in the game. [:)]

I think it still looks at the "destination" when it gives you the intel report for "is moving to (xxx,yyy)". I used patrol zones when making my move on Western Australia. Perhaps Bullwinkle can enlighten as to whether he got any hits on that stuff in his Sig Int in the 7-10 days prior to the invasion, if he doesn't think it will compromise anything.

[obvert]

ORIGINAL: obvert
It's possible to also set the destination to one base and a waypoint destination in another place entirely. Once either at or near the waypoint destination the final target could be set, or the ships could just stay on patrol there. I tried this a few times in our game, although of course I'm not sure it worked! [;)]

ORIGINAL: JocMeister

Not sure either. Probably not as I had a very good fix on your IDs. At least later in the game. [:)]

It was earlier in game I was doing this kind of thing, mostly.

ORIGINAL: Lokasenna

I think it still looks at the "destination" when it gives you the intel report for "is moving to (xxx,yyy)". I used patrol zones when making my move on Western Australia. Perhaps Bullwinkle can enlighten as to whether he got any hits on that stuff in his Sig Int in the 7-10 days prior to the invasion, if he doesn't think it will compromise anything.

That is why I had hoped waypoints would work. The TF is not moving to the waypoint, just to another destination through the waypoint. So the destination might be Soerabaja, but the waypoint would be near Rangoon, and that is where the troops would be heading. So as long as I don't forget what's happening (entirely possible) I change the TF with only a day's travel to it's actual destination of Rangoon. He might then get a SIGINT message in the that one day or travel, but most likely not I would think.

In essence it's false radio traffic, which the Japanese actually did use, especially later in the war.

[JocMeister]

Forgot to copy the update before I sent it and the forum ate it. [:(]

No motivation to redo it all again right now. I´ll try to get it up tomorrow. Bought some time at Singers as Tom didn´t get it on the first attack across the river! Good news at least!

[JocMeister]

[font="Verdana"]December 31st to Jan 1st - 41/42 [/font]
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A worrisome picture is starting to clear...

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Singapore
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I´m very happy to see the river crossing failing. No doubt he will get the base in the next attack but its a couple of days of delay. Every day counts. [:)]

Ground combat at Singapore (50,84)

Japanese Shock attack

Attacking force 51606 troops, 575 guns, 265 vehicles, Assault Value = 1546

Defending force 34009 troops, 368 guns, 224 vehicles, Assault Value = 508

Japanese adjusted assault: 658

Allied adjusted defense: 559

Japanese assault odds: 1 to 1 (fort level 3)

Japanese Assault reduces fortifications to 2

Combat modifiers
Defender: terrain(+), forts(+), preparation(-), experience(-)
Attacker: shock(+)

Japanese ground losses:
4254 casualties reported
Squads: 6 destroyed, 344 disabled
Non Combat: 7 destroyed, 43 disabled
Engineers: 11 destroyed, 80 disabled
Vehicles lost 9 (1 destroyed, 8 disabled)

Allied ground losses:
1953 casualties reported
Squads: 39 destroyed, 76 disabled
Non Combat: 9 destroyed, 89 disabled
Engineers: 2 destroyed, 9 disabled
Guns lost 35 (2 destroyed, 33 disabled)
Vehicles lost 16 (4 destroyed, 12 disabled)

Assaulting units:
5th Division
15th Ind Engineer Regiment
56th Division
18th Division
4th Ind Engineer Regiment
23rd Ind Engineer Regiment
41st Infantry Regiment
25th Army
18th Medium Field Artillery Regiment
1st RF Gun Battalion
14th Ind.Art.Mortar Battalion
20th AA Regiment
3rd Mortar Battalion
3rd Ind. Mountain Gun Regiment
Southern Army
3rd Medium Field Artillery Regiment
5th Mortar Battalion
34th Field AA Battalion

Defending units:
2/17 Dogra Battalion
2nd Malay Battalion
2nd Loyal Battalion
27th Australian Brigade
SSVF Brigade
FMSV Brigade
1st Malay Battalion
1st Manchester Battalion
2nd Gordons Battalion
3rd Cavalry Regiment
6th Indian Brigade
2nd HK&S Heavy AA Regiment
111th RAF Adv Base Force
224 Group RAF
137/155th Field Regiment
Malayan Air Wing
AHQ Far East
1st HK&S Heavy AA Regiment
1st Indian Heavy AA Regiment
III Indian Corps
Malaya Army
22nd Indian Mountain Gun Regiment
Singapore Base Force
Singapore Fortress
24th NZ Pioneer Coy
5th Field Regiment

The 5th ID take the brunt of the losses ending up with a AV just over 100. [:)]

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China
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The Japanese Panzer Armee continues to wreck havoc on my retreating troops.

Ground combat at 86,43 (near Loyang)

Japanese Deliberate attack

Attacking force 12564 troops, 102 guns, 258 vehicles, Assault Value = 345

Defending force 44355 troops, 167 guns, 0 vehicles, Assault Value = 834

Japanese adjusted assault: 238

Allied adjusted defense: 220

Japanese assault odds: 1 to 1

Combat modifiers
Defender: experience(-)
Attacker:

Japanese ground losses:
443 casualties reported
Squads: 1 destroyed, 34 disabled
Non Combat: 1 destroyed, 15 disabled
Engineers: 0 destroyed, 2 disabled
Vehicles lost 48 (17 destroyed, 31 disabled)

Allied ground losses:
1202 casualties reported
Squads: 4 destroyed, 105 disabled
Non Combat: 4 destroyed, 23 disabled
Engineers: 0 destroyed, 9 disabled
Guns lost 8 (1 destroyed, 7 disabled)

All Japanese armor units are down into single digit AV numbers but still they absolutely wreck my poor troops. This attacked is followed up by another one on the 1st.

Ground combat at 86,43 (near Loyang)

Japanese Deliberate attack

Attacking force 12232 troops, 102 guns, 249 vehicles, Assault Value = 300

Defending force 43440 troops, 165 guns, 0 vehicles, Assault Value = 756

Japanese adjusted assault: 108

Allied adjusted defense: 375

Japanese assault odds: 1 to 3

Combat modifiers
Defender: experience(-)
Attacker:

Japanese ground losses:
55 casualties reported
Squads: 1 destroyed, 11 disabled
Non Combat: 1 destroyed, 22 disabled
Engineers: 0 destroyed, 0 disabled
Vehicles lost 73 (17 destroyed, 56 disabled)

Allied ground losses:
1011 casualties reported [8|]
Squads: 25 destroyed, 11 disabled
Non Combat: 3 destroyed, 39 disabled
Engineers: 2 destroyed, 4 disabled

All Japanese armor units are now down to 0 AV. Hopefully this will make more attacks impossible....

The advance on Ankang is reinforced with another IDs. No chance of holding this. [:(]

Ground combat at 83,45 (near Nanyang)

Japanese Bombardment attack

Attacking force 1687 troops, 140 guns, 0 vehicles, Assault Value = 1231

Defending force 26801 troops, 113 guns, 0 vehicles, Assault Value = 715

Japanese ground losses:
Guns lost 4 (2 destroyed, 2 disabled)

Allied ground losses:
8 casualties reported
Squads: 0 destroyed, 1 disabled
Non Combat: 0 destroyed, 0 disabled
Engineers: 0 destroyed, 0 disabled

Assaulting units:
6th Division
13th Tank Regiment
3rd Division
13th Division
9th Armored Car Co
15th Ind.Medium Field Artillery Regiment
51st Ind.Mtn.Gun Battalion
14th Medium Field Artillery Regiment
1st Mortar Battalion
11th Army
2nd Ind. Mountain Gun Regiment
52nd Ind.Mtn.Gun Battalion

Defending units:
59th Chinese Corps
92nd Chinese Corps
33rd Group Army

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OZ
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Starting to feel a little better here. Sydney is up to 800 AV and level 3 forts. Melbourne is up to 580 and level 3 forts. Most smaller fragments have merged into bigger combat formations.

[ny59giants]

Melbourne - Set the Supplies here to Stockpile. Not to say that its going to be placed under siege, but all your extra supplies ends up at Sydney.

[Lokasenna]

I wouldn't call that a failed river crossing at Singapore at all. Anything better than 1:2 is a win for Japan.

[JocMeister]

Considering the Mersing gambit and how little AV I got into Singers I was sure he would snatch it on the first try!

[JocMeister]

ORIGINAL: ny59giants

Melbourne - Set the Supplies here to Stockpile. Not to say that its going to be placed under siege, but all your extra supplies ends up at Sydney.

Good idea! I´ll get it done. [:)]

[JocMeister]

[font="Verdana"]Something is brewing...[/font]
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...and I don´t think its India...

12/38th Division is loaded on xAK Hakodate Maru moving to Truk.
11/21st Division is loaded on a Japanese xAK moving to Truk.
10/33rd Division is loaded on xAP Tatsuta Maru moving to Truk.

So three divisions moving to Truk. KB last spotted outside Rabaul and then disappeared...probably North or East. Perhaps back to Truk? Tom also told me he had hoped to capture Singer on the first try but it didn´t matter as he wasn´t in a rush to capture it. PSYOPS or the truth? Only one ID at Luzon. Only 2 RGT moving into Burma....

I´m not so sure anymore India will be the target. He has done it in all his games so far. Perhaps he is tired of it or he is trying to surprise me. So where is he going? My bet is Suva and Pago Pago. Food for thought...

[offenseman]

Hawaii

[Cribtop]

There are arguments for a John 3rd style blitz deep into SOPAC and for Hawaii.

There is also a case for Oz. What if the division staging to CRB is one of several? They go Darwin/Perth. All the stuff at Truk is the main attack aimed at Eastern Oz. Certainly possible. Cover the two bases either side of Sydney with restricted troops so they don't fall on the cheap as insurance against him crossing the Line of Death. Then prepare a defense plan for Noumea/Fiji/Pago Pago as this would help whether the target is SOPAC or Oz.

Scary to see the veil on Mr. Kane's plan about to drop.

[offenseman]

I only mention Hawaii because Mr Kane is thin everywhere and there are far too many unaccounted for Divisions. Many more than than Fiji etc in that part of the ocean requires. Hawaii = lots of division sized needs. Of course it could be OZ or somewhere else that would demand a lot of divisions. BUT in this case I have a feeling it is Hawaii. Try to figure out where he is pooling his xAPs. If he is going to do a major amphib like Hawaii, he is going to need darn near all of them. If he is TOO quiet elsewhere on the map in terms of amphib ops, he could very well be staging them for the invasion. Maybe in Truk but maybe the Marianas. If he goes to Hawaii, I reckon he will go through the Marcus area if he is going to stage at Saipan. Truk if he will come at it from the SW, south of Johnston.

Have you seen any Glen recon in the Johnston area?