Another World : AAR Soviet Stelteck Vs German Pelton (No Pelton Zone)

[Stelteck]

ORIGINAL: MrBlizzard

[:D]
Yeah Pelton has just arrived 160km west of Ural river [X(]
Does he make many airdrops to supply his panzer spearheads?

A little but nothing major. In fact the railroad line is quite close, around 20 hex max.

[Stelteck]

Turn 64 : 03 september 1942

Yes september !!!
I still have moscow, but my decision to defend moscow at all cost produced weird results. Nevermind, staline told me to defend moscow at all cost.

The infantry battle for the southern bank of the large river south of moscow is going on. Some of my best troops are here and are slowly pushed back. But i gain some times here.

Luftwaffe is heavily concentrated here and crush my air force. I try to concentrate too but it do not work very well. I'am unable to put so many planes in the air at the same times, even if they are available in the area.

And because of patch V1.09.01, i'am unable to counter attack its airfield with some efficiency during my turn to try to do something.



In the east, the mobile panzers crossed the large river in a weird area. Heavy woods. It looks like the ardenne in France, i'am not sûre he can do something with it, the ground is too bad.



I have only one front to defend the east side of the map. It looks weird.



Battle for south will soon reach a statlemate. I do not think ennemy troops are good enough to cross the caucasus here.

[GeneralfeldmarschallWalterModel]

Dam is it that easy to get to the Urals as Germany?

[Stelteck]

ORIGINAL: GeneralfeldmarschallWalterModel

Dam is it that easy to get to the Urals as Germany?

Do you think germany need a nerf ?

In fact it looks like my opponent Pelton is only attacking weak part of the front, while i only defend victory points objectives (Remaining one now are Moscow and Baku, and they are all well defended).

From my point of view, Pelton is taking useless land while i successfully keep the important objectives.
And i do not have the ressources to defend everywhere at all, concentrating on critical objective make sense to me.

But probably from Pelton point of view, he is conquering large portions of lands and is very happy with the results of this campaign.

So we are both winning [:D] Wonderfull game.

It will be interesting at the end of the game to compare notes, when finally Pelton will be allowed to look at this AAR. (Currently, he cannot it would be cheating).

[BrianG]

great action

Continue nerves of steel!

[GeneralfeldmarschallWalterModel]

ORIGINAL: Stelteck

ORIGINAL: GeneralfeldmarschallWalterModel

Dam is it that easy to get to the Urals as Germany?

Do you think germany need a nerf ?

In fact it looks like my opponent Pelton is only attacking weak part of the front, while i only defend victory points objectives (Remaining one now are Moscow and Baku, and they are all well defended).

From my point of view, Pelton is taking useless land while i successfully keep the important objectives.
And i do not have the ressources to defend everywhere at all, concentrating on critical objective make sense to me.

But probably from Pelton point of view, he is conquering large portions of lands and is very happy with the results of this campaign.

So we are both winning [:D] Wonderfull game.

It will be interesting at the end of the game to compare notes, when finally Pelton will be allowed to look at this AAR. (Currently, he cannot it would be cheating).

I am a complete newbie at this point but my life is numbers.
I have been reading allot the last few weeks and see Pelton doing the same tactics in his Bitter End AAR's.

So it looks like his strategy is:

1. Capture X # of VP locations and hold them as long as possible.
2. Capture as many manpower centers as possible. Going by rules many of your manpower points from 41 moved east and he is over running some again + plus try to force you to move industry for a 2nd time.
3. This will build up a huge VP buffer. The useless land is a huge buffer zone in the south from you getting close to the southern VP locations.
4. Looking at other AAR’s his Oka north lines will be a wall of steel until you can roll up the southern front.

If you look at his AAR vs Pit on turn 140 GE=40000 and USSR=5700 VP’s and the front lines,
Pit is in a huge hole.

The numbers:

Turn 140 VP: Germany: 39960 USSR: 5675 Max turns 224


End Game 11760
Max pts per turn: (395) x ?? =
Men 1000 = 100 4,576,000 = 4576
Guns 100 = 100 47,000 = 470
AFV 10 =100 13,800 = 1380
Planes 5 =100 3,400 = 720

Total 11760 + 7146= 18906+5675= 24580


Germany: 39960
Russia: 24580

German lead of 15380 / 395 = 39 turns

There are 84 turns left and he is still getting location VP’s of 147 per turn (same as your game) plus normal from combat.
Looking at the VP combat model the best the USSR can hope for during normal combat from 43-45 going by several of Pelton’s AARs is a
plus 15-25 VP’s per turn. Pit would need to hold all the Russian VP locations for 39 turns plus kill every single one of Pelton’s
units without losing any units of his own. So by turn 190 he would have to capture Berlin probably sooner as USSR will be losing
men. Also it looks like it be a while before Pit captures all of Germany’s VP locations. Reading Pelton’s late war AAR’s he can
withdraw 2 hexes per turn and still hold many of the VP locations into 45 vs Pit.

You can plug your #s into this and get an idea when you have to start retaking VP location and taking ones that add to your total.
A nerf? Looking at Razing the Reich II by Michael T, no as he easly won as USSR.



What is the VP totals so far in your game?

PS why are all of Pelton’s AAR’s locked?

[sillyflower]

ORIGINAL: GeneralfeldmarschallWalterModel


PS why are all of Pelton’s AAR’s locked?

Presumably because of his permanent ban for persistent refusal to follow forum rules, though Hunter63 (who probably is Pelton) has been reporting periodically on P's behalf

[sillyflower]

ORIGINAL: BrianG

great action

Continue nerves of steel!

You have a disciple Brian (cue Monty Python music)

[charlie0311]

BrianG, aka wonder of wonders, is the pinacle of human evolution, remotely possible exception of Stef.

I however, am a charter member of the Moronski Brigade. All I do is complain and lose all my games, give up, and quit. hehehe.

[HardLuckYetAgain]

ORIGINAL: sillyflower

ORIGINAL: GeneralfeldmarschallWalterModel


PS why are all of Pelton’s AAR’s locked?

Presumably because of his permanent ban for persistent refusal to follow forum rules, though Hunter63 (who probably is Pelton) has been reporting periodically on P's behalf

Silly, are you sure this isnt "yet" another re-incarnation in and of itself from the user asking the question? The post before yours reads like it

[M60A3TTS]

Welcome to the forums Model.

You would be best off PMing one of the forum mods about why Pelton was banned.

Your strategy assessment is accurate. Pelton consistently does his calculations on the end game based on # of hexes to Berlin.

Using the Razing the Reich II game is not a good means of assessing game balance as even Michael, who is an outstanding
WiTE player admitted in the AAR: "I realized too late that this Manstein (Sean, and a relative novice) was not the same Manstein (a crusty vet) I knew from the early days."

[Stelteck]

10 september 1942. Turn : 65

Not much this turn except the ennemy is approching Kazan. Unfortunately, i have not enough troops to seriously defend this town, and some panzers are preparing in the back for another major push,so i guess the town is lost. I already evacuated all industries from here.



As requested :

[M60A3TTS]

You probably already know this, but the event logs are saved on your computer. I'd be curious what your last week's manpower numbers look like. You're dead for all practical purposes, but play on by all means.

[Stelteck]

Turn 66 : 17 september 1942

70720 MANPOWER recruited in 1768 manpower centers (0 were local, 70720 available)
20 MANPOWER recruited locally in 1 isolated manpower centers

REFIT REPLACEMENTS, SEGMENT A

RESOURCE POOL USED BACK LOST
Manpower 135951 73493 10079 6247
Armaments 603165 16255
Vehicles 136435 0

REFIT REPLACEMENTS, SEGMENT B

RESOURCE POOL USED BACK LOST
Manpower 62458 6284 3627 1419
Armaments 586910 1878
Vehicles 136435 0

NORMAL REPLACEMENTS

RESOURCE POOL USED BACK LOST
Manpower 56174 56173 20173 16312
Armaments 585032 40674
Vehicles 136435 0

ARMY STATUS

COUNTRY ACTIVE TRANSFER DISABLED UNITS TOE BALANCE
Soviet Union 1 34587 2028947 6954091 7659628 -705537

Classical turn. The ennemy reached the far east of the map !!!

And i retreated in good order around Kazan.

In the south, port are sieged. I need to keep the one with the red dot because i moved tons of industries here. lol.
I do not think i lost some industries in 1942, let's not start.



The whole front is weird. Will i keep moscow the entire war ? lol



I hope to return above 7M men soon;



About the debate with victory points and if i can still win. For me as long as i hold moscow, i have no reason to surrender.

[Pionpion]

What is the situation south of Moscow ? It looks like he gathered some reserves there.

[EwaldvonKleist]

+1000 for the fighting spirit and the AAR.
However, I do not unterstand why P is unable to cut at least your railways to Moscow off with two suicide units.

[timmyab]

Classical turn. The ennemy reached the far east of the map !!!

Lol. I don't think I ever saw this in an AAR before.

10 out of 10 for fighting spirit!

[Stelteck]

24 september 1942. Turn 67

One month before the rain !! In the caucasus, some moutains units go trekking. But i have moutain units too and he will not pass.



Partisans are working hard, and i think they lack some publicity. This turn for example, the entire eastern german front is probably cut from supply.



And now the event of the turn. The probably last german offensive of 1942 before the rain.
It looks like the elite german panzer force crossed the large river, and went .. into woods and Swamps.



The ennemy cut one of the railroad to moscow. But i still have the north path and this path is not threathened.

As the ground is quite hostile to panzers, and it is in the middle of most of my elite troops, and only one month before the rain, i decided to jump on it with all i have !!!
The battle for Gorky have begun !!!

[Stelteck]

Turn 68 : First october 1942 !!

Weather forecast is mud for deep Russia. But i'am not sûre i can rely on this prediction. It would be good news.

The battle of Gorky started. Things can move quickly in only turn and surprise any general.

Let's see this turn.

Beginning of last turn :



Same area at the end of last turn after my move :
One of the best german armored unit is encercled by strong troops and especially 3 tank corps.



Unfortunately, it was not enough, and the german managed to break the encerclement. But barely.



Still quite a success to my counter offensive. Now the germans are heavily contested in the area.

And the rain is coming.

[Stelteck]

I have a new toy !!!

Artillery divisions have a range of 2 hex and are designed to help breaking heavily entranched german positions. I love the concept and i have some spare armements points.



I'am planning to built 12 ASAP to be ready for 1943. In december, i will also built rocket launcher division.