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RE: Yet Another Sicily t BP Ian Allies me Axis
I don't recall Genova being a port.
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RE: Yet Another Sicily t BP Ian Allies me Axis
I pressed the spacebar to make all the units invisible so you can see the terrain underneath them and you can see that there's no anchor in Genova's hex so it's not actually a port per se, mearly a city hex.
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RE: Yet Another Sicily t BP Ian Allies me Axis
23rd July 1944
Thanks hingram and Larry. I make rocks look intelligent
No idea why I got it into my head Genova was a port. It has 5VP's....maybe that is what confused me...
Anyway....war is a confusing business so we press on.
In the light of the above information there is a slight tweak in the advance....The route to France becomes less important and instead of having to batter through numerous dug in regiments along a thin pass I now look at trying to head due north.
Already lead elements are getting closer to Verona and Trieste is at least on the radar.
The 26th Panzer elements and KG Hudel pulled back from Modena last turn to avoid development but did suffer some disengagement losses and another attempt is made by the Canadians and Republican Italian Division to encircle the group as they retreat.
British troops have gone North from Pisa and are now swinging around West to see if there are opportunities for a "grand pocket" of Axis troops in the south west....why not be ambitious...it may not be practical but it may divert some of the Genova defenders away....
Thanks hingram and Larry. I make rocks look intelligent
No idea why I got it into my head Genova was a port. It has 5VP's....maybe that is what confused me...
Anyway....war is a confusing business so we press on.
In the light of the above information there is a slight tweak in the advance....The route to France becomes less important and instead of having to batter through numerous dug in regiments along a thin pass I now look at trying to head due north.
Already lead elements are getting closer to Verona and Trieste is at least on the radar.
The 26th Panzer elements and KG Hudel pulled back from Modena last turn to avoid development but did suffer some disengagement losses and another attempt is made by the Canadians and Republican Italian Division to encircle the group as they retreat.
British troops have gone North from Pisa and are now swinging around West to see if there are opportunities for a "grand pocket" of Axis troops in the south west....why not be ambitious...it may not be practical but it may divert some of the Genova defenders away....
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RE: Yet Another Sicily t BP Ian Allies me Axis
2nd August 1944
Still no access to Toulon so I have to do it the hard way I suspect.
The German KG Hudel and26th Panzer elements again attempts to disengage North of Modena but this time fails and is surrounded.
East of Genova the infantry defence line is bombarded again but I anticipate artillery support behind (though frustratingly I cannot see it) so an assault is discounted until the US armour arrives.
The forward spearheads of the Allies are now only 80Km from Verona which is to an extent the gateway to the Brenner Pass.....
Still no access to Toulon so I have to do it the hard way I suspect.
The German KG Hudel and26th Panzer elements again attempts to disengage North of Modena but this time fails and is surrounded.
East of Genova the infantry defence line is bombarded again but I anticipate artillery support behind (though frustratingly I cannot see it) so an assault is discounted until the US armour arrives.
The forward spearheads of the Allies are now only 80Km from Verona which is to an extent the gateway to the Brenner Pass.....
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Here's what's going on right now. I'm feeling like I should have defended a lot further south.
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RE: Yet Another Sicily t BP Ian Allies me Axis
5th August 1944
The Polish attacks on KG Hudel and the 26th Panzer elements trapped go in and make more progress, reducing the pocket to 15km.
Polish recon troops hit the bridges at the River Po at Ostiglia and Borgo Forte south of Verona and find them occupied by dug in Engineers but 1st british Armoured further west manages to cross the |Po at Piacenza and is now less than 100Km from Milan.
The artillery and naval bombardment of the defence line near Genova continues but it is in many ways a sideshow compared to what is happening to the north. US 91st Division and Canadian Corps troops are busy trying to seal off any retreat by Germans down by Genova back towards Brenner Pass.
For what it is worth to try and get at least a draw I agree with Larry above that the Germans need to defend a bit further south. The fortified Gustav and Gothic Lines are north of any landing beaches and can delay the Allies purely by the terrain they are in. As it is I think Larry will defend the Pass itself in incredible depth and it is highly doubtful the Allies will make it there but as in our earlier game...to get a marginal win they dont need to.
The Polish attacks on KG Hudel and the 26th Panzer elements trapped go in and make more progress, reducing the pocket to 15km.
Polish recon troops hit the bridges at the River Po at Ostiglia and Borgo Forte south of Verona and find them occupied by dug in Engineers but 1st british Armoured further west manages to cross the |Po at Piacenza and is now less than 100Km from Milan.
The artillery and naval bombardment of the defence line near Genova continues but it is in many ways a sideshow compared to what is happening to the north. US 91st Division and Canadian Corps troops are busy trying to seal off any retreat by Germans down by Genova back towards Brenner Pass.
For what it is worth to try and get at least a draw I agree with Larry above that the Germans need to defend a bit further south. The fortified Gustav and Gothic Lines are north of any landing beaches and can delay the Allies purely by the terrain they are in. As it is I think Larry will defend the Pass itself in incredible depth and it is highly doubtful the Allies will make it there but as in our earlier game...to get a marginal win they dont need to.
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I just threw this together just now and I'm rather proud of myself. This is my primary MLR, the forward defense; I'm going to build another one a little further north, and then another one after that.
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Here's what it looks like now. I've got three aircraft units and they are on rest and I've got four AA units in the airfield hex with the planes but it's not seeming to save the planes. Ian's losses must be fairly high. I've enscounced in the mountain passes and I've got plenty of arty and several divisions or the finest troops Germany possess and they have been resting for most of the game so they ready for the worst the Allies can dish out.
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10th August 1944
KG Hudel and the 26th Panzer pocket is no more. All 40 Tiger I's were destroyed in the pocket by 1st Canadian and 2nd Polish Division north of Modena and the advance north can continue.
US Rangers and 8th Indian Division start clearing an Italian security unit out of the mountains south of the front lines. There is a lull in the shelling near Genova and 1st British armoured arrives at the front.
Incidently losses in the airfield attacks were pretty low. There were only 7 planes actually destroyed (mostly low level fighter bombers) but the Germans lost 30 planes destroyed including all 24 JU88's. The Flak is not particularly effective against high level bombing in particular I find but I may just have been very lucky !
KG Hudel and the 26th Panzer pocket is no more. All 40 Tiger I's were destroyed in the pocket by 1st Canadian and 2nd Polish Division north of Modena and the advance north can continue.
US Rangers and 8th Indian Division start clearing an Italian security unit out of the mountains south of the front lines. There is a lull in the shelling near Genova and 1st British armoured arrives at the front.
Incidently losses in the airfield attacks were pretty low. There were only 7 planes actually destroyed (mostly low level fighter bombers) but the Germans lost 30 planes destroyed including all 24 JU88's. The Flak is not particularly effective against high level bombing in particular I find but I may just have been very lucky !
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RE: Yet Another Sicily t BP Ian Allies me Axis
14th August 1944
As word reaches Allied Commanders that the invasion fleet may have sailed in Operation Anvil attacks begin on the Genova lines and some progress is made though it it stopped as a full FJ Regiment arrives to reinforce the retreating infantry.
The railhead has pretty much reached this area now and engineers now start to head north.
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Defending engineering units are surrounded and readied for destruction on the River Po bridges and the US 91st and 88th Divisions arrive near the front.
The British 1st Armoured starts pushing towards Milan.
As word reaches Allied Commanders that the invasion fleet may have sailed in Operation Anvil attacks begin on the Genova lines and some progress is made though it it stopped as a full FJ Regiment arrives to reinforce the retreating infantry.
The railhead has pretty much reached this area now and engineers now start to head north.
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Defending engineering units are surrounded and readied for destruction on the River Po bridges and the US 91st and 88th Divisions arrive near the front.
The British 1st Armoured starts pushing towards Milan.
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Here's what's happening in the Genova area currently. It's not serving the war effort in a serious way now that the Allies have found an alternate way around them but I don't want to move them for some reason that I can't explain.
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RE: Yet Another Sicily t BP Ian Allies me Axis
17th August 1944
The US 91st Division reaches Mantua and the 1st Canadian and 6th British Armoured both force crossings over the River Po and Borgo Forte and Ostiglia destroying the river defenders in the process.
The 85th US and 1st US Armoured tanks force through the coast road defences east of Genova before being stopped by the dug in Engineers 15Km from the town.
British 1st Armoured Division destroy a small Recon unit blocking progress towards Milan. The heavy workload on British bombers causes them all to go into reorganisation this turn so a rest is due I think.
The US 91st Division reaches Mantua and the 1st Canadian and 6th British Armoured both force crossings over the River Po and Borgo Forte and Ostiglia destroying the river defenders in the process.
The 85th US and 1st US Armoured tanks force through the coast road defences east of Genova before being stopped by the dug in Engineers 15Km from the town.
British 1st Armoured Division destroy a small Recon unit blocking progress towards Milan. The heavy workload on British bombers causes them all to go into reorganisation this turn so a rest is due I think.
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RE: Yet Another Sicily t BP Ian Allies me Axis
20th August 1944
For reasons I cannot explain I got US paras and airlanding troops in southern France last turn but the exclusion zone has remained in place so no movement in or out. Most odd.
Anyway...not one to be too worried about such things we press on...
The US Rangers operating in the mountains north east of Genova manage to push back the Italian marines and hit the FJ HQ support. Meanwhile on the coast 15Km to the south the US 85th Div pushes back the FJ Regiment and our friends the armoured engineers and more FJ Paras reinforce the area. Losses for the Germans are quite high however due to air,artillery and naval support and the 85th remains confident that Genova should fall soon.
Further north the American 91st and and British 6th Armoured is only 20Km from Verona and the 1st is closing in on Milan now with support from the fresh 88th and 34th divisions.
For reasons I cannot explain I got US paras and airlanding troops in southern France last turn but the exclusion zone has remained in place so no movement in or out. Most odd.
Anyway...not one to be too worried about such things we press on...
The US Rangers operating in the mountains north east of Genova manage to push back the Italian marines and hit the FJ HQ support. Meanwhile on the coast 15Km to the south the US 85th Div pushes back the FJ Regiment and our friends the armoured engineers and more FJ Paras reinforce the area. Losses for the Germans are quite high however due to air,artillery and naval support and the 85th remains confident that Genova should fall soon.
Further north the American 91st and and British 6th Armoured is only 20Km from Verona and the 1st is closing in on Milan now with support from the fresh 88th and 34th divisions.
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RE: Yet Another Sicily t BP Ian Allies me Axis
24th August 1944
Things hot up markedly.
Fighting has now reached Verona...apparently held by the Gerbigs Div HQ and some light flak.
The line from Milan to Verona is now cut by US and Polish troops and British Armour is only 20Km from Milan.
Down east of Genova furious fighting continues as another attempt to break the line on the coast road is initially successful against the weakened FJ Regiment before a counter attack by the Armoured engineers.now discovered to be SS troops...which explains the resilience...halts progress before a renewed attack eventually makes progress though at some cost to the Canadian armour involved. The Armoured Engineers themselves are roughly handled and are now down to 20% or so of their original strength.
Things hot up markedly.
Fighting has now reached Verona...apparently held by the Gerbigs Div HQ and some light flak.
The line from Milan to Verona is now cut by US and Polish troops and British Armour is only 20Km from Milan.
Down east of Genova furious fighting continues as another attempt to break the line on the coast road is initially successful against the weakened FJ Regiment before a counter attack by the Armoured engineers.now discovered to be SS troops...which explains the resilience...halts progress before a renewed attack eventually makes progress though at some cost to the Canadian armour involved. The Armoured Engineers themselves are roughly handled and are now down to 20% or so of their original strength.
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Here's what it looks like now. 74 turns left.
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27th August 1944
A big turn.
Firstly, Operation Anvil finally goes ahead just as the reason for it in northern Italy disappears[8|].
French mountain troops and US forces start moving East anyway through Nice and can now at least try and assist the destruction of the still fairly substantial German forces defending Genova.
Far more significant now is the capture of Milan and Verona which cuts off the rail route to and from the Brenner Pass connecting with the North West.British 1st Armoured and 46th Divisions respectively achieved this with minimal German resistance.
Cremona is now surrounded by the Polish II Corps and the US 34th and 88th Divisions have also reached the front lines.
A big turn.
Firstly, Operation Anvil finally goes ahead just as the reason for it in northern Italy disappears[8|].
French mountain troops and US forces start moving East anyway through Nice and can now at least try and assist the destruction of the still fairly substantial German forces defending Genova.
Far more significant now is the capture of Milan and Verona which cuts off the rail route to and from the Brenner Pass connecting with the North West.British 1st Armoured and 46th Divisions respectively achieved this with minimal German resistance.
Cremona is now surrounded by the Polish II Corps and the US 34th and 88th Divisions have also reached the front lines.
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RE: Yet Another Sicily t BP Ian Allies me Axis
3rd September 1944
The Genova pocket is closed by British and American troops moving south down onto the coast of the Mediterranean and Genova town itself is now under attack.
With the fall of Milan VP's are now one town away from moving into minor Allied victory territory and both Trieste and Genova as well as Torino are now within short term reach.
The taking of the Pass however is an entirely different kettle of fish and even with 8 months to go still looks a very tough ask as the British 46th Division approaches Trento.
Cremona is overrun by 8th Indian Division who have had a particularly good campaign and renewed attempts to interdict Allied movements by the Luftwaffe result in the usual heavy losses to the Germans.
The Genova pocket is closed by British and American troops moving south down onto the coast of the Mediterranean and Genova town itself is now under attack.
With the fall of Milan VP's are now one town away from moving into minor Allied victory territory and both Trieste and Genova as well as Torino are now within short term reach.
The taking of the Pass however is an entirely different kettle of fish and even with 8 months to go still looks a very tough ask as the British 46th Division approaches Trento.
Cremona is overrun by 8th Indian Division who have had a particularly good campaign and renewed attempts to interdict Allied movements by the Luftwaffe result in the usual heavy losses to the Germans.
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Here's what it looks like currently. Ian will be up to my MLR soon and then the fireworks will start.
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7th September 1944
Genova falls after an assault from the west by 757th Tank Battalion of the US II Corps supported by artillery and air bombardment.
Mestre also falls in the north east and these two VP towns should push the Allies into minor victory territory which matches Larry's result in the reverse fixture so I am happy [:)]
The South African Armoured Division forces its way east from Nice supported by US Airborne.
The big prize in the north looms like Mount Doom however as it is apparent Larry has marshalled a large proportion of Werhmacht and SS troops in the passes leading up to Brenner.
Genova falls after an assault from the west by 757th Tank Battalion of the US II Corps supported by artillery and air bombardment.
Mestre also falls in the north east and these two VP towns should push the Allies into minor victory territory which matches Larry's result in the reverse fixture so I am happy [:)]
The South African Armoured Division forces its way east from Nice supported by US Airborne.
The big prize in the north looms like Mount Doom however as it is apparent Larry has marshalled a large proportion of Werhmacht and SS troops in the passes leading up to Brenner.
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Ian is steadily marching northward and he's closer than he's ever been.
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