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NOVEMBER 20, 1942

All U-Boats are in port, so no MS sunk. Hurrah!

Rain in Italy means our units sit again. However, during the Axis turn the Italian air force sinks the Canadian DD in harbour. The surprising thing is that the air unit that intercepted the Italians for their first 2 attacks was my US escort fighter based in Malta (off screen). The RAF fighter did not intercept any of the attacks even though it was set to auto and in range. I have seen something similar happen numerous times. In this case no big deal as all the remaining Italian attacks missed the mark. But at times this can be very frustrating.



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In Russia cold weather means the Russians again go on the attack. This time the plan is to retreat the 2 indicated units leaving the German Infantry corps with nowhere to retreat

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The Plan works. But at least this time the German infantry corps made me work for it rather than Shattering on the first attack.

The second stage of the offensive is to retreat the 2 units circled in purple so that the two Axis units circled in Green will have no place to retreat.



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The Plan works and the German Panzer is Shattered. But again at least it was more difficult than previously.

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The 7 Strength infantry corps is also Shattered.

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Russia after moves.

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DECEMBER 4, 1942

8 MS and an escort sunk, but 12 U-Boat hits are scored. I counted 9 operational U-Boats this turn, so since I sunk 3 that means Hadros built at least 9 (to go with the 3 he starts with).

Snow in Russia, so no attacks.

But Clear weather in Italy means the Allies again resume their march up the Italian boot. I was tempted to attack Naples, but my initial attack odds were only 1-2. So instead I attacked towards Taranto. Taranto is generally easier than Naples because it can be invaded from 2 hexes (of course I will have to wait until Spring) and the defensive multiplier is not as large.

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Well looking bad for the Axis...not sure what they have left in Russia...probably a decent force that will be okay come spring to at least put up a fight...
But Italy will fall very soon and that make is really rough.

A few observations...fighter wise...and I don't think this would have been it but was the American fighter better in efficiency?
Escort is close to Intercept early on...Al said that the system checks all fighters and picks the strongest one. Though I could swear I have seen the issue you are showing displaying in the past also...wondering why fighter A flew now fighter B...

You appear to be about a year ahead in your attacks in the Med and Russia...I could be off a bit in Russia...
Do you see this as a game problem? I see Russia as okay...but being able to invade Italy a year early seems off...NOT saying you did anything wrong but gamewise.
I know you don't like to invade Portugal...I opted to invade Spain which is actually tougher and left Portugal neutral. To me that seems a bit more "fair".
Then again I did paradrop into Milan and the Italians surrendered then. But Russia was lost at the time. I need more experience in Russia to at least last into 43 in a decent position. But as you know it takes a lot of turns to get there.

Russia wise you have a LOT of tanks. Not sure how to afforded them. I normally can barely keep enough money for an infantry a turn which is pretty much required in 41/42...to just stay ahead. Did you save up a ton of PP and then buy tanks as 41 ended so that you would have them for 42? I normally built them at the beginning of the war but they are so expensive for a weak unit initially and repairing is just not on the Russian monetary track.

The new shatter rules might be huge for Germany...a lot of the units you killed would be coming back for Spring...which is something that the Germans really need in the game you are playing. Will be interesting to see if that causes any new long term issues.


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ORIGINAL: stjeand

Well looking bad for the Axis...not sure what they have left in Russia...probably a decent force that will be okay come spring to at least put up a fight...
But Italy will fall very soon and that make is really rough.

A few observations...fighter wise...and I don't think this would have been it but was the American fighter better in efficiency?
Escort is close to Intercept early on...Al said that the system checks all fighters and picks the strongest one. Though I could swear I have seen the issue you are showing displaying in the past also...wondering why fighter A flew now fighter B...

It wasn't just that the escort fighter was used for the first two interception attempts, but that the RAF interceptor did not intercept at all.
You appear to be about a year ahead in your attacks in the Med and Russia...I could be off a bit in Russia...
Do you see this as a game problem?


Do you mean in terms of the game being unbalanced? If so, then no I don't. It is not unbalanced because I am winning this game as the Allies and it is not unbalanced because I won the other game as the Axis. I think what it shows is an imbalance in the skills of the two players. Hadros is a good player, but I think I am the better player. To be fair I think I have also been the luckier player, at least in these two games.
I see Russia as okay...but being able to invade Italy a year early seems off...NOT saying you did anything wrong but gamewise.
I know you don't like to invade Portugal...I opted to invade Spain which is actually tougher and left Portugal neutral. To me that seems a bit more "fair".
Then again I did paradrop into Milan and the Italians surrendered then. But Russia was lost at the time. I need more experience in Russia to at least last into 43 in a decent position. But as you know it takes a lot of turns to get there.

I was able to invade Italy a year early because Hadros, IMHO, did not defend Libya with as much Force as he should have and he did not defend FNA at all. He tried the ALL-IN on Russia strategy. This is not necessarily wrong, but one of the consequences is that the Allies will be invading somewhere in 42.

Russia wise you have a LOT of tanks. Not sure how to afforded them. I normally can barely keep enough money for an infantry a turn which is pretty much required in 41/42...to just stay ahead. Did you save up a ton of PP and then buy tanks as 41 ended so that you would have them for 42? I normally built them at the beginning of the war but they are so expensive for a weak unit initially and repairing is just not on the Russian monetary track.

The Russians start with 3 armour corps and I built 3 more as my very first builds on the first turn of the game. The Russians then receive 1 more with the Siberian Reinforcements. I have played the whole game so far with these 7 armour. If you upgrade them to 41 tech and buff them with elite status they will have strengths in the 9 to 12 range or so in 1941.

The new shatter rules might be huge for Germany...a lot of the units you killed would be coming back for Spring...which is something that the Germans really need in the game you are playing. Will be interesting to see if that causes any new long term issues.

You are absolutely right. It will be interesting to see what effect this has.




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ORIGINAL: Harrybanana
Do you mean in terms of the game being unbalanced? If so, then no I don't. It is not unbalanced because I am winning this game as the Allies and it is not unbalanced because I won the other game as the Axis.

I agree, the same happened to me with latest official patch. I will report the landing ships for mechanized units. This also helps the Allies to be in Italy faster. [;)]

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I did not mean unbalanced persay...

From what I have seen is that the USSR needs the Allies to take the pressure off in 42 by invading somewhere. The US and UK have a LOT of troops at that time...more than they did historically and can do quite a bit more. i.e. invade Italy...in reality they could never have mounted such and invasion.

What I meant was...

If Russia was a little more powerful...and the other Allies a little less...I wonder if that would push things more towards they way history played out?

You appear to be doing fine in Russia...but the Germans have a LOT of troops now busy in Italy.
Add to that you are a better player and did appear to have so really good luck. (My luck is mostly bad...especially weather wise)

I think Germany needs Italy to last into mid to late 43...or else the end has come early.


But the new shatter rule is going to change quite a bit...more for the Germans initially...as I don't think it will help the Russians so much with their "weaker" troops as they are normally overwhelmed.
I hope that the units are out of play for at least 2 months...don't want the French returning...
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ORIGINAL: stjeand

I did not mean unbalanced persay...

From what I have seen is that the USSR needs the Allies to take the pressure off in 42 by invading somewhere. The US and UK have a LOT of troops at that time...more than they did historically and can do quite a bit more. i.e. invade Italy...in reality they could never have mounted such and invasion.

What I meant was...

If Russia was a little more powerful...and the other Allies a little less...I wonder if that would push things more towards they way history played out?

You appear to be doing fine in Russia...but the Germans have a LOT of troops now busy in Italy.
Add to that you are a better player and did appear to have so really good luck. (My luck is mostly bad...especially weather wise)

I think Germany needs Italy to last into mid to late 43...or else the end has come early.


But the new shatter rule is going to change quite a bit...more for the Germans initially...as I don't think it will help the Russians so much with their "weaker" troops as they are normally overwhelmed.
I hope that the units are out of play for at least 2 months...don't want the French returning...

The reason that the UK and the US generally have more troops in 42 than historical is because in most games I have seen:

1. The Axis do not put as much force strength in Africa as historical. Instead most players prefer to Go All-In on Russia. Indeed in both this game and our mirror game all of Italy's mobile units were in Russia, not Africa.

2. The Allies build far fewer air units than historical and instead uses all of this saved production on building larger armies. For example, I have only played one game where the Allies built significant numbers of strategic bombers. In this game I have not built any. I did build a maritime patrol bomber and that was a mistake. Had I not done so i would have an additional Us Armour.

3. I believe that in most games the Allies send less Lend-Lease to Russia than historical. In this game I have not sent any UK Lend lease to Russia at all. I have sent quite a bit of US Lend Lease, but I think most players don't. I say this because the US needs 30 MS for its own resources and can send about 90 Lend lease to Russia. So it needs a total of 120 MS, but in many games the US doesn't build this many.

1 above also explains why the Russians need that Allied pressure in 42.

So I don't think it is a case of the Allies needing to be less powerful and Russia more powerful. I think their respective productions are about right. But as I keep harping on, I think airpower needs to be more effective. As is the Allies don't need massive air superiority to invade as they did historically, air parity is enough. And they don't need strategic bombers at all as they get more bang for their buck with armour.

You are correct that the new Shatter Rule may be a game changer. We will have to wait to see.
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Well for Africa I normally have at least a Italian Mech and armor as well as a German Mech...and most of the time a German armor. That is pretty much it...
Maybe an infantry...Best to replace the Italian port garrisons with German divisions just to save supplies...

The Brits can have 10 to 20 corps by 41 and just walk over that once the US arrives even before. The Axis have no way to supply much more than that.


But you are correct. The Allies rarely bother with a lot of air.
I do really like strat bombers though. Once they get going they are pretty crippling...especially early AND if they can hit Polesti...that will end the Axis fast.
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DECEMBER 18, 1942

4 MS sunk and 2 U-Boat hits.

On the Axis turn they counterattacked in Italy, but did not advance into the vacant hex.

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I push back the weakened German units with the help of the RN and isolate Taranto.

Although the combat odds for the final attack read 3-1 I don't believe it. If I destroyed 21 strength ponits the odds would have been far better that 3-1.

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In Russia my very limited offensive continues.

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JANUARY 1, 1943

The Allies ring in the New Year by capturing Taranto in a bloody battle that requires 5 attacks. Again the role played by the navies was critical.

Unless the Axis can recapture something on their next turn Italy will surrender.

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Italy after all my moves

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