PBEM Aztez (A) vs FDRLincoln(J) (Vorsteher and Hawker replaced)

[Sardaukar]

Massive battles !!

BTW, remember that LRCAP flies only to normal range, not to extended range. That is sometimes an issue.

[aztez]

Massive battles indeed and these kind of duels still continue... nearly 500 allied aircraft lost in action within past two days!!! ....Japanese got the worse end of the stick and their casualties are over 600 aircrafts!!! [:-][8|][X(][X(]

If you count all the planes... than well over 2000 planes have been destroyed in total in couple of weeks time... actually if take in count the bombardments in Lunga, Chinese air to air battles than casualty level is propably doubled or maybe even more... [&o][8|][:D] ...It has been bloody as hell!!!

The thing that I wonder is how much aircraft does the Japanese have??? [&:][&:] ...my opponent stated in the last post that he will soon have 700 Zeke's per month!!! [X(][X(] ...He seems to be good handeling the production side of things... So the question is how much punishment can he take??? ...Any veteran IJN player comments are much appreciated!!! Thank you in forehand...


Game date is 24th of August 1943


India & Burma


[>:][>:][>:][>:][>:]


China

My LBA's hit Wuhan this time around...

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Day Air attack on Wuhan , at 48,35

Japanese aircraft
Ki-43-IIa Oscar x 10

Allied aircraft
Liberator VI x 34
Beaufighter VIC x 2
P-40N Warhawk x 26
B-17E Fortress x 12
B-24D Liberator x 26

Japanese aircraft losses
Ki-43-IIa Oscar: 8 destroyed

Allied aircraft losses
Liberator VI: 1 damaged
P-40N Warhawk: 2 destroyed, 3 damaged
B-24D Liberator: 1 damaged

Airbase hits 7
Airbase supply hits 3
Runway hits 38

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Day Air attack on Wuhan , at 48,35

Japanese aircraft
Ki-43-IIa Oscar x 7

Allied aircraft
Beaufighter VIF x 6
Liberator VI x 49
Beaufighter VIC x 12
P-40N Warhawk x 22
B-17E Fortress x 15
B-24D Liberator x 45

Japanese aircraft losses
Ki-43-IIa Oscar: 7 destroyed

Allied aircraft losses
Liberator VI: 2 damaged
P-40N Warhawk: 1 damaged

Japanese ground losses:
35 casualties reported
Guns lost 1

Airbase hits 25
Airbase supply hits 4
Runway hits 79


Central & North Pacific


1 Allied CV TF set sail towards South Pacific... This TF is to join up with the rest of fleet and particapate in raging battles down in the South.


Australia, NZ & South Pacific

Operation Sunset continues... as stated again over 1000 planes has been destroyed!!! This is a bloody mess if you ask me! [&:][8D]

Unfortunately the combat reports did not register all the action... British CV along with some US CV's engaged the enemy but these actions did not show up in Combat report so I'am unable to into further detail!!! [&:][:(] ...but if I look aircraft total losses from the today it has been bloody... hundreds of planes were shot down!!! [:)] Luckily for me at least my CV's excaped these encounters unharmed!!! [;)]

There were also another CV vs CV action played further in the South... These battles registered correctly and here are the results...

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Day Air attack on TF at 94,89

Japanese aircraft
A6M3a Zero x 4
G3M Nell x 6
G4M2 Betty x 4
Ki-43-IIa Oscar x 3

Allied aircraft
Wildcat V x 33
F4F-4 Wildcat x 101
F6F Hellcat x 61
Hellcat II x 11
F4U-1 Corsair x 22
Corsair IV x 18

Japanese aircraft losses
A6M3a Zero: 4 destroyed
G3M Nell: 6 destroyed
G4M2 Betty: 1 damaged
Ki-43-IIa Oscar: 2 destroyed

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Day Air attack on TF at 92,94

Japanese aircraft
A6M3 Zero x 4
A6M5 Zeke x 3
D3A Val x 22
A6M3a Zero x 66
B5N Kate x 49

Allied aircraft
F4F-4 Wildcat x 31
F6F Hellcat x 87

Japanese aircraft losses
A6M3 Zero: 4 destroyed
A6M5 Zeke: 3 destroyed
D3A Val: 8 destroyed, 2 damaged
A6M3a Zero: 61 destroyed
B5N Kate: 30 destroyed

Allied aircraft losses
F4F-4 Wildcat: 21 destroyed
F6F Hellcat: 4 destroyed, 5 damaged

Allied Ships
CVL Monterey
BB North Carolina
CVL Cowpens

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Day Air attack on TF at 92,94

Japanese aircraft
B5N Kate x 36

Allied aircraft
F4F-4 Wildcat x 5
F6F Hellcat x 41

Japanese aircraft losses
B5N Kate: 20 destroyed


Allied Ships
CV Hornet
CVL Belleau Wood

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Day Air attack on TF at 92,94

Japanese aircraft
A6M3a Zero x 8
B5N Kate x 32

Allied aircraft
F4F-4 Wildcat x 7
F6F Hellcat x 51

Japanese aircraft losses
A6M3a Zero: 6 destroyed
B5N Kate: 17 destroyed

Allied aircraft losses
F6F Hellcat: 2 destroyed, 1 damaged

Allied Ships
CL Honolulu

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Day Air attack on TF at 92,94

Japanese aircraft
D3A Val x 4
A6M3a Zero x 51
B5N Kate x 20
G4M2 Betty x 4
Ki-43-IIa Oscar x 13

Allied aircraft
F4F-4 Wildcat x 7
F6F Hellcat x 53

Japanese aircraft losses
D3A Val: 4 destroyed
A6M3a Zero: 39 destroyed
B5N Kate: 11 destroyed
G4M2 Betty: 3 destroyed
Ki-43-IIa Oscar: 9 destroyed

Allied aircraft losses
F4F-4 Wildcat: 1 destroyed
F6F Hellcat: 9 destroyed, 6 damaged

Allied Ships
CL Honolulu
CVL Princeton
CV Hornet
CVL Belleau Wood, Bomb hits 1 (This FOW.. It's actually CV Bunker Hill that was hit!!! 20 sys.. 10 Fld and 11 Fires)BB South Dakota

...Heavy casualties to both sides!!! [:-]

The naval bombardment of Baker Island also continued...

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Naval bombardment of Baker Island, at 94,92

Allied Ships
CL Mobile
CL Santa Fe
CLAA Reno
CA Chester
BB Massachusetts
BB Washington
BB Idaho

Japanese ground losses:
218 casualties reported
Guns lost 2

Airbase hits 1
Runway hits 32
Port hits 3
Port supply hits 8

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Naval bombardment of Baker Island, at 94,92

Allied Ships
CL Concord
CL Raleigh
CA Quincy
BB Nevada
BB West Virginia

Japanese ground losses:
172 casualties reported

Airbase hits 1
Airbase supply hits 2
Runway hits 36
Port hits 3
Port supply hits 3

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Naval bombardment of Baker Island, at 94,92

Allied Ships
CL Durban
CL Dragon
CL Hobart
CL Sumatra
CA Dorsetshire
CA Minneapolis
BB Valiant
BB Prince of Wales

Japanese ground losses:
138 casualties reported

Airbase supply hits 4
Runway hits 42
Port supply hits 6

...also my LBA's pounded the island...

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Day Air attack on 16th Mixed Brigade, at 94,92


Allied aircraft
PBY Catalina x 6
P-38G Lightning x 37
B-25J Mitchell x 132
B-17E Fortress x 36
PB4Y Liberator x 21
B-24D Liberator x 37


No Allied losses

Japanese ground losses:
226 casualties reported
Guns lost 2

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Day Air attack on 16th Mixed Brigade, at 94,92


Allied aircraft
PBY Catalina x 6
P-38G Lightning x 31
B-25J Mitchell x 127
B-17E Fortress x 31
PB4Y Liberator x 19
B-24D Liberator x 31


No Allied losses

Japanese ground losses:
184 casualties reported
Guns lost 1

.....than my infantry men continued their assaults...

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Ground combat at Baker Island

Allied Deliberate attack

Attacking force 33336 troops, 222 guns, 81 vehicles

Defending force 14365 troops, 6 guns, 0 vehicles

Allied assault odds: 5 to 1 (fort level 6)

Allied Assault reduces fortifications to 5


Japanese ground losses:
320 casualties reported

Allied ground losses:
439 casualties reported
Guns lost 11
Vehicles lost 4

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Ground combat at Baker Island

Allied Deliberate attack

Attacking force 33001 troops, 220 guns, 80 vehicles

Defending force 12947 troops, 4 guns, 0 vehicles

Allied assault odds: 3 to 1 (fort level 5)

Allied Assault reduces fortifications to 4


Japanese ground losses:
445 casualties reported
Guns lost 1

Allied ground losses:
423 casualties reported
Guns lost 9
Vehicles lost 2

Hopefully I'am able to capture the island next turn... i really need this place operational so I can place some Corsairs and bombers there!!![:)]

He also has his CV's and BB fleet stationed in same hex North of Baker Island... I would been tempted to try an surface vs surface fleet engament but I'am reluctant to do so since last time around I tried this BB Tennesee and BC Repulse were hit by the Japanese torpedo!!! [:@]

All I can say that you can expect heavy casualties also in days ahead by the looks of things!

In further South Pacific I decieded to struck againts Munda airfield...

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Day Air attack on Munda , at 64,95

Japanese aircraft
A6M3a Zero x 13
Ki-44-IIb Tojo x 8

Allied aircraft
PB4Y Liberator x 106
B-24D Liberator x 90

Japanese aircraft losses
A6M3a Zero: 2 destroyed, 9 damaged
Ki-44-IIb Tojo: 2 destroyed, 2 damaged
J1N1-S Irving: 2 destroyed

Allied aircraft losses
PB4Y Liberator: 2 destroyed, 11 damaged
B-24D Liberator: 3 destroyed, 9 damaged

Japanese ground losses:
24 casualties reported

Airbase hits 14
Airbase supply hits 6
Runway hits 91

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Day Air attack on Munda , at 64,95

Japanese aircraft
A6M3a Zero x 10
Ki-44-IIb Tojo x 8

Allied aircraft
PB4Y Liberator x 91
B-24D Liberator x 95

Japanese aircraft losses
A6M3a Zero: 1 destroyed, 4 damaged
Ki-44-IIb Tojo: 1 destroyed, 6 damaged
J1N1-S Irving: 1 destroyed

Allied aircraft losses
PB4Y Liberator: 2 destroyed, 4 damaged
B-24D Liberator: 10 damaged

Japanese ground losses:
73 casualties reported
Guns lost 1

Airbase hits 6
Airbase supply hits 10
Runway hits 77

...all comments are appreciated... I'am just dazzled about the Japanese production capabilities!!! [X(][&:][:)]

[Rob Brennan UK]

I wouldnt risk a surface engagement unless you can get in and out at night. and do NOT set patrol/do not retire[;)]

Personally japan can produce hundreds of planes, more than the allies i think especially in fighters. but he's not going to have much to fly them, thats the critical jap weakness, now KB has been spent he may have trained groups ready to jusp aboard but i suspect hes done that once already.

Once baker goes i'd go fast into the marshalls before his CV's can recover imo . and closing down tarawa would be a great help.

Well it certainly is getting bloody my friend ! .. and you are doing better by far. whats the scores on the doors now ?

as ever good luck [:D]

[aztez]

Okay... I guess that he can have those 700 Zeke's a month... I just need to make sure that he doesn't have any pilots left to fly them [:D]

It is intresting that committed his naval fighters... I don't know how many of his elite pilots I did manage to kill but looking at the casualties from both sides I would estimate that most of them died! [:)] ...Considering this I'am dazzled that my opponent isn't more devastated... actually he still seems quite confident [&:]

Yes... I will move towards Tarawa and Marshalls as soon as possible... however even this operation has caused me quite a lot of damage and I do need to bring in fresh troops from other areas... so it might take couple of weeks before I get this show on the road again! [:)] ...but as you said ASAP....! [:)]

...I have included the score as .jpg attachment... So, feel free to take a look [:)]

[Sardaukar]

Your air battle made it to topic " This should convince any lingering doubters..." on Main WitP Forum too..[8D]. So no need to worry that people won't watch what is happening! [;)]

Loss of so many pilots will start to show, most likely...unless Japanese player has very good training program going on.

[aztez]

I noticed the thread in question in the main forum.

I must agree that the CAP seems to be way too efficient.

Next turn is actually intresting... since I have put my 4E bombers on Naval strike with Naval search set to 30%... if he hasn't moved his TF's than his fleet would be on range to be struck... I'am at work so I don't know how the last turn played out.

CV vs CV battles might temporarily quiet down since I do need reorganize my fleet and replenish it.

Hopefully the Baker Island will fall so I can place some Dive bombers and Fighters there... this should happen within week or so.

I will post more when I get home and have chance to look at the latest combat replay [:)]

[Rob Brennan UK]

Next turn is actually intresting... since I have put my 4E bombers on Naval strike with Naval search set to 30%... if he hasn't moved his TF's than his fleet would be on range to be struck... I'am at work so I don't know how the last turn played out.

If the buggers actually fly ! ,, never seen to for me [:@][:@]

2 Weeks is fast imo. wasnt suggesting a reload and go strategy[;)] .. Looks like Ron has one of his old bones out for a good chewing. actaully i agree with him, but as with a lot of this game it's a work around or live with the 'feature'[:D]

Still dosnt dampen my love for it though

[aztez]

I has been busy times again IRL [:)] ... I'am actually father (my daughter was born last Friday morning) now and that is someting that brings huge smile to my face [:)]

In the game wise I recieved the following email from Vorsteher after last turn...

Because I hold the result of this playing style for totally idiotic, I conclude won made cost myself this game you I some mistakes above all in the airplane production, that the victory. But well, there was much to learn.

I'am not sure how should I take this message... If I'am correct than I assume he has surredered and given up!!! [8D] ...This is yet to be confirmed!

Couple of points though...

1) Firstly it isn't he Allied side that uses CV Fleet in Death Star formation! ...Say what you will but the Japanese have this "Death Star" as own personal weapon that can't be stopped over a year so... Now that the allied CV Fleet is upgraded and planes are tougher the tide has turned... but to consider this type of playing style idiotic is well... idiotic itself [:)]

What do everyone expect... that allied plaer will throw 2 or 3 CV's againts the Japanese navy??? That is suicicidal at best... [:'(] ...ofcourse you are and I'am trying keep my naval assets secure!

Seems to me by reading far too many AAR's here that the IJN players will use the KB as their desctructive weapong and can't simply handle the fact the someone would be doing their best to destruct the KB Itself!!! So, I cannot understand why someone would complain about that... there is an old saying "...What goes around comes around..." (I did actually loose 3 CV's againts the "Deathstar KB".

I don't know what kind of damage I managed the do last turn (I spotted the the Japanese fleet at Makin Atoll and I did deciede to engage the enemy)... At least CV Kaga and CVL Ruiho has been confirmed sunk!

I don't know whether this game has now ended... if so than no hard feelings to my opponent... It actually has been pleasure to go head to head againts him...[:)] ...I guess we know the conclusion when I recieve an response from Vorsther [:)]

[Sardaukar]

Congrats about becoming a father !! Kiss your sleep goodbye, though !! [:D]

I hope that battle continues !! That sentence you got looks just like what I can accomplish after 15 beers !! [8D]

[aztez]

Thanks Sardaukar... Tomorrow the sleepless nights will begin [:(][>:][:)][:D]

Well, as for this game is concerned I have been asked to for redo!!! It seems my opponent was running version 1.4 due to the fact that he had new computer installed... (I'am at version 1.6 because it seems to be most stable version at the moment)... Vorsteher states that the outcome would have been diffrent if we both hadn't had the 1.4 installment with this..???

I actually quite reluctant to do anykind of redo turns... There are couple of reasons with this...

1) I was not offered anykind of redos with the Wake Island fiasko! My fighters refused launch correctly... My CV TF's did not follow orders and such... due to the error I lost 2 CV's... 3 Elite US Divisions and lots of supporting units... and over 100 ships! [:(][:(][:@]

2) Why did the stay in the area with his KB??? He knew where I was commiting my forces... I only decieded to assault the KB due to the fact that my recon planes spotted them at Makin atoll... He could easily have retreated but did not do so... in my mind this means he wanted to contest CV power and simply got burned.

3) The death star formation wasn't used... I simply used separate CV TF that had follow orders given to them... He similar ideas so the odds are even.

4) If I grant him a redo he now knows my intensions... He knows I have spotted his fleet CV's and navy and can simply run away and live for another day or so... this is not idea of this game... I made a bold move and actually got lucky with the result.

...taking all of these in account I'am 99,99% certain that I wohn't agree to run this turn again.

This is sad since it has been hard fight and from now on the allied player can actually start to be on the offensive end of things... but what happens next time when things like this happen... another redo???... when does this end... if we don't like the results than we all can simply demand a redo... that is not the idea of Witp.

I actually do have utter most respect to my opponent... things have moved smoothly to this point in time.... it is a shame if things end up like this.

What do people reading this AAR think???

[BLurking]

If you're still having fun playing the game, go ahead and replay the turn. I've done this with my opponents when they're whipped, since the game is only fun when it's challenging. In August '43 you're only going to get stronger, and the next encounter will be even more one-sided.

It's only a game, and should be enjoyable for both sides. Look at it as a chance to crush the KB yet again...

FWIW

[Rob Brennan UK]

firstly CONGRATULATIONS ! ! ! ! .. words cant describe the feeling of fatherhood ( not that i am ) but .. WOW .. great ! and several other exclamations .. i'm dead pleased for you.

I guess english isn;t his strong suit as that message was unintelligable !

UM . yeah i can understand your reluctance. has he been a bad loser in other situations ? but i agree with Blurking if your going to enjoy thr game carry on as getting a new one this far will take a LONG time ?:) [:D].

I might suspect that the 1.4 - 1.6 thing is a bit of a smokescreen as i didnt think you could play PBEM with 2 differant versions .. ???? [&:]

Yea he should have withdrawn earlier .. hid bad play imo .. and how does he expect to 'win' every naval engagement? the pendulum has swung in the allies favour at last. he's in defensive posture ( or should be) the japanese death star has a finite lifespan. does he not realise this ?

anyway .. more importantly my love and best wishes to both mother and daughter !

[jwilkerson]

What do people reading this AAR think???

Nagumo didn't get a redo ... could-a used one though ...

Exact software configuration ( patch level - database mod - scenario - game switches ) for each game should always be established and agreed to by both players before game starts and not changed during the game without prior approval of both players. Was this not done !? !?

[Sardaukar]

Well...I'd be bit reluctant to do restart. But it's very sportsmanlike thing to do, on the other hand. Could be either way...[:D]. But do you actually think you have *time* to play after baby ?? [:D]

[Rob Brennan UK]

ORIGINAL: Sardaukar

Well...I'd be bit reluctant to do restart. But it's very sportsmanlike thing to do, on the other hand. Could be either way...[:D]. But do you actually think you have *time* to play after baby ?? [:D]

AH yes very very good point ! mewling infant or WitP .. tricky choice [:D]

[aztez]

Thanks for encouraging comments guys [:)] Actually I'am already feeling the "sleep" starvation [;)]

As for this game.... well to put it short It is game over.... unfortunately! [:(]

I really would have love to complete this game but this is not the case.

My opponent stated that he wants a rematch but I'am not willing to do so... I have invested way too much time with this one to even consider starting from scratch!

We both should have been running 1.6 version and we have clear houserules with this one so these aren't not good enough excuses.

I'am not too happy at the moment since I would like to have completed this game... too many hours wasted... but the dilemma with PBEM's seems to be the fact once allied get stronger these PBEM's get cancelled!!!! [:(][:(][:@] ...The Japanese fanboys don't cope too well with defensive style of things... I know it is funny to be on the offensive with overwhelming forces at the start but you should be man enough to continue with the tables turned around!!! [:-]

I don't know what to do... PBEM's are fun but seems to me that they are almost never finished. So, I haven't decieded whether to start over with someone or not... at the moment I doubt it.

Vorsteher has given me his password... but I will not look at his forces... just maybe he will continue with game allthough this is most unlikely! [:(]

...anyway thanks for everyone who bothered to read this AAR.

[Marten]

ORIGINAL: aztez
I'am not too happy at the moment since I would like to have completed this game... too many hours wasted... but the dilemma with PBEM's seems to be the fact once allied get stronger these PBEM's get cancelled!!!! [:(][:(][:@] ...The Japanese fanboys don't cope too well with defensive style of things... I know it is funny to be on the offensive with overwhelming forces at the start but you should be man enough to continue with the tables turned around!!! [:-]

you are absolutly right. it's simply way too easy to kick someone's a$$ as japan in a short run with superior force. true valor comes from defending what was conquered, or coming back to fight after heavy beating. i don't know your relatinship with your opponent, but i think he's a chicken - no war ever goes the way it was planned. congratulations.

[Sneer]

Can't say I'm surprised
Your enemy had 2 PBEMs with me
both was broken by him
1st one when his miraculus attack was sub optimal at PH
2nd when I had adventage (japan) on Pacific and he claimed he is bored to play anymore (and he is bored as long as he can't win)
warning to all people - this person is unable to complete games- he plays to win only so if you break his forces he will leave

[Vorsteher]

@Sneer
That is a lie and knows you exactly. You have the play broken off! I look for you gladly the email .Your warning are absolutely unfairly, I my finischen friend as the winner explained, since he defeated me. Is so simple more das.He was simply better.

Vorsteher

[Sneer]

can you tell me and the forum how I broke our game ?
or maybe I should ......?