FILE SET RHS 2.23 Released [Minor update]

[Aterpa]

Version 2.31:

- IJA raiding base forces (1997-1999) will become static because they point to formation 962 which contains static devices, intended?

[Aterpa]

Version 2.31:

- several basic formations (e.g. IJN Port Base Force 960) have a number in the disabled percent field, the result is that all depending units (e.g. Takao IJN base force 1482) will lose this percentage of devices permanently -> for basic formations should be 0 in the disabled percent field
- formation 966 (Base Force) has in weapon slot 10 civil engineers but with number 0
- formations 954-956 (AA) have no sound detector, depending units (e.g. 31st IJA mixed AA regiment) have them and will not replace them if lost because of this
- 51st IJA Mixed AA regiment (1080) has formation set to 956 (AA regiment) -> should be 955 (mixed AA regiment)
- 21st IJA Heavy AA regiment (1222) has formation set to 0 -> should be 957

[Aterpa]

Version 2.31:

- every JAAF EAB (1871-1918) will become imobile because they all point to formation 962 (IJA Port Base Force) that has static device

[Iron Duke]

version 2.32
spotted some possible errors?

U.S units with device 420 - 2pdr AT Gun ? should be 37mm AT Gun?

UK/CW/RAA/RIA units with device 421 - 45mm AT Gun ? should be 2pdr AT Gun ?

line 2492 UK 35th LAA Regt. with device 408 - 12.7mm M2 AAMG[2] ? should be 40mm Bofors - ref Hist. of the Royal Regt. of Artillery-The Far East 1941-46 -All UK LAA units equiped with device 408 ? should be 40mm Bofors.

line 2496 UK 77th LAA Regt.can find no ref to this unit? possibly duplicate of line 2488 UK 77th HAA Regt.

line 2458 KNIL Mobiele Eenheid has device 516 M7 Priest ?

P-38L has device 159 7.9mm MG 81 x4 ?


question regards drop tanks , ordnance and max load

is max load = ordnance [bombs + rockets]load values
or
is max load = drop tanks load value
or
is max load = ordnance + drop tanks load values

I don't see any set rule with regards to A/C max load values

i.e P-38J has ordnance load of 2100 [10x60[rockets] + 1x500 [bomb]]
has drop tank load of 1500 [2x 110g [dt]]
max load for a/c = 3200

P-38G has ordnance load of 1000 [2x 500 [bombs]]
has drop tank load of 1000 [2x 75g [dt]]
has max load for a/c = 2000

my understanding was that max load = ordnance load???? so P-38J max load should = 2100 and P-38G max load should = 1000 ???? or have i just got it wrong[&:] again[X(]

cheers

[pad152]

CVO 2.32

I'm seeing a lot of ships sunk and a ton of other data errors. Look's the editor bit you big time, but remember there is nothing wrong with the editor [8|]!

Ship ID: 373 (Murotsu) - zero value in number and/or turret of weapon slot #10 (Type 21 Radar)
Ship ID: 374 (Tomishiri) - zero value in number and/or turret of weapon slot #10 (Type 21 Radar)
Ship ID: 408 (PC-34) - arriving on 441124 as class (Ch 7/4112), newer class (Ch 7/4403) available
Ship ID: 432 (PC-58) - odd turret # in weapon slot #3 (25mm Type 96 AA Gun)
Ship ID: 432 (PC-58) - odd turret # in weapon slot #4 (25mm Type 96 AA Gun)
Ship ID: 432 (PC-58) - zero value in number and/or turret of weapon slot #10 (Type 22 Radar)
Ship ID: 433 (PC-59) - arriving on 450405 as class (Type C/D Escort/4402), newer class (Type C/D Escort/4503) available
Ship ID: 436 (PC-62) - odd turret # in weapon slot #3 (25mm Type 96 AA Gun)
Ship ID: 436 (PC-62) - odd turret # in weapon slot #4 (25mm Type 96 AA Gun)
Ship ID: 436 (PC-62) - zero value in number and/or turret of weapon slot #10 (Type 22 Radar)
Ship ID: 439 (PC-65) - arriving on 450401 as class (Type C/D Escort/4402), newer class (Type C/D Escort/4503) available
Ship ID: 442 (PC-68) - ship sunk (450324) before arrival date (450915)
Ship ID: 442 (PC-68) - odd turret # in weapon slot #3 (25mm Type 96 AA Gun)
Ship ID: 442 (PC-68) - odd turret # in weapon slot #4 (25mm Type 96 AA Gun)
Ship ID: 442 (PC-68) - zero value in number and/or turret of weapon slot #10 (Type 22 Radar)
Ship ID: 444 (PC-70) - invalid class # (733)
Ship ID: 532 (Iwate) - ship sunk (26896) before scenario starts
Ship ID: 574 (W.37) - ship sunk (440813) before arrival date (441215)
Ship ID: 575 (W.38) - ship sunk (430823) before arrival date (440615)
Ship ID: 576 (W.39) - ship sunk (440321) before arrival date (440515)
Ship ID: 724 (Gyoraitei No 3) - ship sunk (37703) before scenario starts
Ship ID: 727 (Gyoraitei No 6) - ship sunk (46899) before scenario starts
Ship ID: 817 (RTN Trad) - ship sunk (420201) before arrival date (420715)
Ship ID: 907 (YU-1005) - ship sunk (440921) before arrival date (441122)
Ship ID: 917 (YU-2001) - ship sunk (440606) before arrival date (441122)
Ship ID: 921 (Ha-103) - ship sunk (450112) before arrival date (450203)
Ship ID: 923 (Ha-105) - ship sunk (441006) before arrival date (450219)
Ship ID: 925 (Ha-107) - ship sunk (450112) before arrival date (450702)
Ship ID: 926 (Ha-108) - ship sunk (440628) before arrival date (450506)
Ship ID: 1352 (Noshiro Maru) - ship sunk (420310) before arrival date (430121)
Ship ID: 1374 (Hokuan Maru) - ship sunk (430421) before arrival date (430920)
Ship ID: 1433 (Chikuzen Maru) - ship sunk (430116) before arrival date (441005)
Ship ID: 1444 (Kitsurin Maru) - ship sunk (430925) before arrival date (441112)
Ship ID: 1447 (Mikazuki Maru) - ship sunk (440427) before arrival date (440619)
Ship ID: 1455 (Soka Maru) - ship sunk (440623) before arrival date (440822)
Ship ID: 1459 (Tateishi Maru) - ship sunk (420508) before arrival date (431008)
Ship ID: 1460 (Teiritsu Maru) - ship sunk (441004) before arrival date (450320)
Ship ID: 1467 (Angthong Goo) - ship sunk (440503) before arrival date (450411)
Ship ID: 1486 (Hakuai Maru) - ship sunk (450102) before arrival date (450204)
Ship ID: 1492 (Hibi Maru) - ship sunk (431224) before arrival date (440225)
Ship ID: 1520 (Minko Maru) - ship sunk (430827) before arrival date (450427)
Ship ID: 1526 (Niitaka Maru) - weapon slot #2(53/3in/40 Tp 88 DP Gun) differs from class(103/Small AP)
Ship ID: 1539 (Siberia Maru) - ship sunk (440211) before arrival date (440414)
Ship ID: 1551 (Teihoku Maru) - ship sunk (450121) before arrival date (450208)
Ship ID: 1568 (Amoy Maru) - ship sunk (430303) before arrival date (440820)
Ship ID: 1583 (Eika Maru) - ship sunk (431229) before arrival date (440917)
Ship ID: 1588 (Fukuyama Maru) - ship sunk (420117) before arrival date (440101)
Ship ID: 1595 (Harukiku Maru) - ship sunk (430908) before arrival date (431011)
Ship ID: 1607 (Jindai Maru) - ship sunk (440601) before arrival date (440731)
Ship ID: 1652 (Meissei Maru) - ship sunk (440116) before arrival date (441212)
Ship ID: 1654 (Mihara Maru) - ship sunk (430303) before arrival date (440427)
Ship ID: 1667 (Nanking Maru) - ship sunk (440622) before arrival date (440814)
Ship ID: 1671 (Nigitsu Maru) - ship sunk (430107) before arrival date (430828)
Ship ID: 1676 (Rakuzan Maru) - ship sunk (431207) before arrival date (450505)
Ship ID: 1687 (Shimonoseki Maru) - ship sunk (441024) before arrival date (450517)
Ship ID: 1695 (Shunten Maru) - ship sunk (440129) before arrival date (440326)
Ship ID: 1705 (Tatsuha Maru) - ship sunk (430917) before arrival date (440101)
Ship ID: 1725 (Yoshinogawa Maru) - assigned leader (5944/Takasu, O./IJ Army) is wrong nationality for ship (IJ Navy)
Ship ID: 1891 (Hokushin Maru) - ship sunk (441018) before arrival date (450322)
Ship ID: 1967 (Mitakesan Maru) - ship sunk (430906) before arrival date (440115)
Ship ID: 1983 (Sekiho Maru) - ship sunk (440101) before arrival date (440410)
Ship ID: 2327 (Nankai Maru #2) - zero value in number and/or turret of weapon slot #1 (13.2mm AAMG)
Ship ID: 2328 (Nanrei Maru) - zero value in number and/or turret of weapon slot #1 (13.2mm AAMG)
Ship ID: 2329 (Peking Maru) - zero value in number and/or turret of weapon slot #1 (13.2mm AAMG)
Ship ID: 2339 (Tairiku Maru) - ship sunk (440313) before arrival date (441106)
Ship ID: 2344 (Umegawa Maru) - zero value in number and/or turret of weapon slot #1 (13.2mm AAMG)
Ship ID: 2354 (Chosan Maru) - ship sunk (441023) before arrival date (450328)
Ship ID: 2359 (Daiki Maru) - ship sunk (450108) before arrival date (450521)
Ship ID: 2367 (Fukuura Maru) - ship sunk (420311) before arrival date (440216)
Ship ID: 2375 (Heikei Maru) - ship sunk (441009) before arrival date (441130)
Ship ID: 2380 (Hioki Maru) - ship sunk (431209) before arrival date (440303)
Ship ID: 2386 (Hoshin Maru) - ship sunk (440223) before arrival date (440324)
Ship ID: 2389 (Huashan Maru) - ship sunk (430321) before arrival date (450615)
Ship ID: 2394 (Junyo Maru) - weapon slot #2(79/13.2mm AAMG) differs from class(165/Haruna M. (Sm. AK))
Ship ID: 2394 (Junyo Maru) - weapon slot #3(79/13.2mm AAMG) differs from class(165/Haruna M. (Sm. AK))
Ship ID: 2396 (Kachaosan Maru) - ship sunk (440308) before arrival date (440702)
Ship ID: 2398 (Kaisei Maru) - ship sunk (430919) before arrival date (450503)
Ship ID: 2401 (Kanetsu Maru) - ship sunk (440101) before arrival date (450310)
Ship ID: 2405 (Kenei Maru) - ship sunk (440503) before arrival date (441027)
Ship ID: 2412 (Kinzan Maru) - ship sunk (440504) before arrival date (440905)
Ship ID: 2413 (Kisei Maru) - ship sunk (450301) before arrival date (450613)
Ship ID: 2420 (Komei Maru) - ship sunk (430831) before arrival date (440224)
Ship ID: 2429 (Miikesan Maru) - ship sunk (440120) before arrival date (440404)
Ship ID: 2431 (Mishima Maru) - ship sunk (431103) before arrival date (450511)
Ship ID: 2437 (Nichinan Maru) - ship sunk (431121) before arrival date (440217)
Ship ID: 2441 (Nikkosan Maru) - ship sunk (450123) before arrival date (450425)
Ship ID: 2449 (Oshikayama Maru) - ship sunk (440831) before arrival date (450421)
Ship ID: 2453 (Reikai Maru) - ship sunk (430409) before arrival date (431016)
Ship ID: 2457 (Ryuyu Maru) - ship sunk (420413) before arrival date (440816)
Ship ID: 2458 (Sainei Maru) - zero value in number and/or turret of weapon slot #10 (Type 13 Radar)
Ship ID: 2464 (Sekino Maru) - ship sunk (430528) before arrival date (440225)
Ship ID: 2469 (Shima Maru) - ship sunk (420110) before arrival date (440417)
Ship ID: 2470 (Shimotsuki Maru) - ship sunk (440704) before arrival date (450515)
Ship ID: 2477 (Shintai Maru) - ship sunk (450413) before arrival date (450519)
Ship ID: 2479 (Shiokubi Maru) - ship sunk (420217) before arrival date (450429)
Ship ID: 2483 (Shori Maru) - ship sunk (441012) before arrival date (441114)
Ship ID: 2490 (Taigyo Maru) - ship sunk (430903) before arrival date (440506)
Ship ID: 2492 (Taiken Maru) - ship sunk (440219) before arrival date (440621)
Ship ID: 2494 (Taikyo Maru) - ship sunk (431121) before arrival date (441013)
Ship ID: 2498 (Takatsu Maru) - ship sunk (430324) before arrival date (440225)
Ship ID: 2513 (Toan Maru) - ship sunk (430131) before arrival date (430428)
Ship ID: 2516 (Toun Maru) - ship sunk (431213) before arrival date (440424)
Ship ID: 2518 (Toyokawa Maru) - ship sunk (420515) before arrival date (450125)
Ship ID: 2525 (Ujina Maru) - ship sunk (431119) before arrival date (450304)
Ship ID: 2529 (Waka Maru) - ship sunk (431221) before arrival date (441126)
Ship ID: 2532 (Yamamichi Maru) - ship sunk (440111) before arrival date (450608)
Ship ID: 2538 (Yubu Maru) - ship sunk (440921) before arrival date (450606)
Ship ID: 2538 (Yubu Maru) - weapon slot #2(79/13.2mm AAMG) differs from class(165/Haruna M. (Sm. AK))
Ship ID: 2538 (Yubu Maru) - weapon slot #3(79/13.2mm AAMG) differs from class(165/Haruna M. (Sm. AK))
Ship ID: 2542 (Aisakasan Maru) - ship sunk (440217) before arrival date (440307)
Ship ID: 2547 (Anbo Maru) - ship sunk (430417) before arrival date (431101)
Ship ID: 2547 (Anbo Maru) - zero value in number and/or turret of weapon slot #10 (Type 13 Radar)
Ship ID: 2556 (Bizen Maru) - ship sunk (421101) before arrival date (440101)
Ship ID: 2567 (Daikoku Maru) - ship sunk (441227) before arrival date (450302)
Ship ID: 2586 (Etsunan Maru) - ship sunk (440913) before arrival date (450228)
Ship ID: 2590 (Gakujo Maru) - ship sunk (441023) before arrival date (450318)
Ship ID: 2592 (Ginsei Maru) - ship sunk (431216) before arrival date (450212)
Ship ID: 2594 (Goko Maru) - ship sunk (430206) before arrival date (450527)
Ship ID: 2596 (Gyokuyo Maru) - ship sunk (431218) before arrival date (440325)
Ship ID: 2597 (Gyoryu Maru) - ship sunk (441114) before arrival date (450507)
Ship ID: 2602 (Hagane Maru) - ship sunk (440927) before arrival date (450324)
Ship ID: 2605 (Hakuun Maru) - ship sunk (440912) before arrival date (450513)
Ship ID: 2615 (Himekawa Maru) - ship sunk (450122) before arrival date (450407)
Ship ID: 2617 (Hirano Maru) - ship sunk (440616) before arrival date (450423)
Ship ID: 2620 (Hishigata Maru) - ship sunk (430308) before arrival date (440715)
Ship ID: 2622 (Hiwaka Maru) - ship sunk (431202) before arrival date (450330)
Ship ID: 2625 (Hosen Maru) - ship sunk (440320) before arrival date (440625)
Ship ID: 2628 (Hsin Yang Maru) - ship sunk (440116) before arrival date (441110)
Ship ID: 2630 (Iida Maru) - ship sunk (430216) before arrival date (440804)
Ship ID: 2634 (Inaura Maru) - ship sunk (440901) before arrival date (450214)

[Aterpa]

Version 2.31:

- In Canton (400) is a factory for Hawk 75/P-36 aircraft

[DD696]

Version 2.32:

CD unit RNZA Fanning Island Garrison assigned to India Command
Inf RNZA 8th Bde on Suva assigned to India Command
Mangalore Naval RIN Base Forse at Mangalore India assigned to New Zealand Command
RIA 99th Indian Bde at Bombay assigned to New Zealand Command
RIA 1st Assam Rifles at Kohima assigned to New Zealand Command
RIA 9th RDH Calvery at Karachi assigned to New Zealand Command
There are two (2) 1st Assam Rifles at Kohima: 1 India Command, 1 New Zealand Command

My first post.....been looking at this site ever since they started working on redoing WIR and PacWar.

[Aterpa]

Version 2.31:

japanese carrier airgroups have very strange upgrade paths:

- Akagi, Kaga, Soryu, Hiryu, Shokaku, Zuikaku, Ryuho and Shoho will never upgrade their A6M2 and B5N2
- Hosho, Ryujo and Zuiho will stick with A5M4 until 02/45 and then upgrade them to A7M2 (that the AI will never produce)
- Hosho upgrades her B4Y to A6M3
- Junyo will stay with A6M3 and B5N2 until the war is over (or she is sunk)
- Hiyo will get rid of her A6M3 because they upgrade to empty slot
- Hiyo will not upgrade the B5N2
- Taiho will upgrade her A6M5 to A6M7 (that the AI will never produce)
- Taiho will upgrade her D4Y2 to B6N2
- Taiho will not upgrade her B6N2
- Unryu, Amagi, Katsuragi, Kasagi, Aso and Ikoma will downgrade their B6N2 to B5N2 (maybe the pilots are used to the old type and like it more [;)])
- Unryu, Amagi, Katsuragi, Kasagi, Aso and Ikoma will upgrade their C6N1 to D4Y2
- Chiyoda, Chitose and Ibuki will downgrade their B6N2 to B5N2

All this togeher will lead to an obliteration of the japanese AI. It will field even A5M4 in 1944 (if the carriers survive that long, which is very doubtfull with this aircrafts on board)

[el cid again]

- In Canton (400) is a factory for Hawk 75/P-36 aircraft

Sharp eyes!! There is indeed. AND it WON'T build anything for the Japanese (politics conspires via code).

And the SAME aircraft factory ALSO exists in India! It is the SAME company - originally Chinese - and it EXISTS TO THIS DAY - but is now Indian. Moved to India to avoid capture by Japan, and the P-35 kits moved with it. It is called Hindustan now.

It is there because, well, it was there. IF the Allies capture Canton it could theoretically work.

[el cid again]

but remember there is nothing wrong with the editor !

With all due respect (and little is due to whoever wrote this editor - unless it was done in 1980)

there is plenty wrong with the editor. I cannot remember - in the last 20 years - working with an editor so crude it cannot do a global update of the specific records it is affecting. And I cannot remember - ever - a company of any sort issuing an editor with no tools to do data checks.

All of which would be academic if the stock product had tolerable data in the first place. But it did not. The more you learn about it, the more amazed you will become. But it is easy to see why they don't want to fix identified issues: it is a nightmare - particularly if you lack tools to review the impact of the slightest (fundamental) change.

Now I am done ranting, thanks for the list - and I will study it line by line - for 3.40 comprehensive review.

[el cid again]

my understanding was that max load = ordnance load???? so P-38J max load should = 2100 and P-38G max load should = 1000 ???? or have i just got it wrong again

In the world of WITP speak

max load is a combination of all things you are allowed to carry (logically enough)

which translates into EITHER

weapons plus drop tanks

OR

cargo (the idea you might carry both isn't an option).

Further, know (according to Joel Billings) a plane NEVER carries its max load - either it carries what you list (which should be normal load except where normal load = max load) - or it carries less than that (at extended range).

[el cid again]

every JAAF EAB (1871-1918) will become imobile because they all point to formation 962 (IJA Port Base Force) that has static device

You are good! Very good. True. Correct and intentional. At least for certain units - which share the formation code.

These are port base forces. They have immobile coast defense guns, major communications arrays, Wollenwebber intercept arrays (ever seen one? We have one at Elmendorf AFB - although it is Navy!), and other things. It is intended

1) Those at major bases in Japan stay there;
2) Those that appear (WITHOUT the device) will - as you say - eventually get it and stay where they are put. [Better move em by ship].

This is quite deliberate - and a defensive move against AI - which I noted in tests likes to send these units all sorts of useless places - preventing bases from functioning! These are the large base support units.

But EABs should not be this way. THEY should point to 961. Thanks.

[el cid again]

As I understand this feature should allow a japanese (and allied too) player to give a freigther some refit to do special tasks as it could have been done historicaly, like the possibility to transport lots of mines and rearm MLs.
In stock there is a ship class "Large MLE" especialy for this. (It has been removed in RHS for the japanese side only, it is still in use for the allied side (359)!)

Two small standard freighters were indeed converted - note the word small - and note that small ships might function as escorts - while a large AK - whatever you do to her - will not be effective in that role (due to maneuverability considerations).

The MLE class actually existed in stock and CHS in multiple forms - and both ships also were listed twice (one with an extra o at the end of her name). I renamed the class properly - and it IS in RHS - so named. But it WILL NOT convert from a "large AK" - because it should not.

I decided to create a ML class - and misnamed a functioning one - in case of fields I cannot see (which sometimes happens - see for example airborne units) - I can copy the field but I cannot see it in the editor. I also can see it in WITP excel. I note the stock AR is Akashi - and the idea you could "convert" a ship to be Akashi is a misunderstanding of what she is. But I feared code would not work as an AR unless I honored that - so I put her back. CHS also has a sister for Akashi - one never built! - but once planned - an in honor of that plan (and CHS) I put it in BBO!

[el cid again]

- CA Idzumo class upgrades to ML Tokiwa class, correct?

]

Yes she does. These are sister ships - originally - and Tokiwa is a former Idzumo CA. You want another? You can convert the sister.

[el cid again]

SS type KD4 (Kaiten) (647) upgrades to KD4 (Transport) (648) which upgrades to KD4 (Snorkel) (649), seems not right to me

It isn't. Each is the end path for converting one or another kind of KD sub - and each should not convert to the other. Made by copying - the upgrade path should = slot number.

[el cid again]

Uruppu Jima (647) has entry for resources, but amounth 0

It used to have resources. Now it only has fish (daily supply = 1). Possibly should take out the 519 line altogether.

[el cid again]

- IJA Air Sector HQ (964) has sound detector and type 13 radar at the same time

This is correct. However,

the radar should be Type 21 (because our Type 13 does not detect airplanes)

and

the sound detector automatically upgrades to a Type 21

so we should probably only use the sound detector.

[The sound detectors were not really removed]

[el cid again]

- 8th IJA Tank Regiment (1435) has formation set to 0 -> should be 939 (tank regiment)

right

[el cid again]

- All IJN base forces (1493-1498) will become static, they are based on formation 966 (Base Force) that has 4.7" gun (10) that is immobile instead of the 5.5" gun that this formations start with

For reasons unclear 5.5 inch guns were not popular with stock and CHS.
I changed the units - but not the target formation - and you are right - it should be the same. Thanks.

[el cid again]

I am not an expert but I do not think that B-29s or King Copras were produced in AUstralia.

Right you are.