Tokyo Rose was a Hussy! Chez (J) vs. Canoe (A)

[witpqs]

The difference between 1108r9 Beta versus last official is almost the same as the difference between AE and no AE.

As far as search arcs go, you don't have to use them at sea. If you have a substantial enough force then you will have enough search planes that searching without arcs is just as good.

From land bases they are very useful and you won't be playing with them very much. When you get a new base or add search assets to an area, sure. When something special is happening and you want to concentrate search arcs differently, sure. But mostly you will set them to what you find most effective for the area and leave them alone.

[Canoerebel]

11/10/42
 
I just really don't want to have to go through the entire map and set search arcs for every base.  [:(]

NoPac:  F4Fs from Wasp did good work against a motley crew of Zeros, Nates and Oscars over Para.  The Tojos had the day off, but they'll be back.  The Allies will try to get some supply to Onnekotan tomorrow - it's been out since April!

DEI:  Small but significant transport TFs continue to shuttle troops to the frontline bases without incident.  The Allies have been most fortunate in this regard.  Pontianak and Ketpang airfields should reach level two within the week.  At about that time, the Allies will bring forward to Pontianak a sizeable contingent of troops that are nearly 100% prepped for Singkawang, which remains lightly garrisoned.  Also, it does appear Kuching remains empty - two turns with 9/10 detection level-reconnaissance shows no troops there.  How can this be??? [&:]

[DOCUP]

CR me and my opponent just downloaded to new patch.  I have not set search arcs for my nav search.  I am getting good sightings of my opponents TFs. I do have to say that pilot training is easier now.   That in itself is a good reason to do it.  My humble opinion.

[witpqs]

ORIGINAL: Canoerebel

11/10/42
 
I just really don't want to have to go through the entire map and set search arcs for every base.  [:(]

You don't have to. It's just that the same number of planes set to search a certain arc will do a better job than the same number of planes set to search 360d. You could take a middle road and set one base or area each turn.

[BBfanboy]

ORIGINAL: Canoerebel

11/10/42
 
I just really don't want to have to go through the entire map and set search arcs for every base.  [:(]

NoPac:  F4Fs from Wasp did good work against a motley crew of Zeros, Nates and Oscars over Para.  The Tojos had the day off, but they'll be back.  The Allies will try to get some supply to Onnekotan tomorrow - it's been out since April!

DEI:  Small but significant transport TFs continue to shuttle troops to the frontline bases without incident.  The Allies have been most fortunate in this regard.  Pontianak and Ketpang airfields should reach level two within the week.  At about that time, the Allies will bring forward to Pontianak a sizeable contingent of troops that are nearly 100% prepped for Singkawang, which remains lightly garrisoned.  Also, it does appear Kuching remains empty - two turns with 9/10 detection level-reconnaissance shows no troops there.  How can this be??? [&:]

Hmmm ... makes me wonder if he is setting a trap - letting you throw some units into Borneo while he builds a massive counter-attack force in Cam Rahn Bay to drop in and take over when KB is available. He would have the bonus of having allied engineers build up the bases for him before he comes back!

[Cribtop]

ORIGINAL: witpqs

The difference between 1108r9 Beta versus last official is almost the same as the difference between AE and no AE.

As far as search arcs go, you don't have to use them at sea. If you have a substantial enough force then you will have enough search planes that searching without arcs is just as good.

From land bases they are very useful and you won't be playing with them very much. When you get a new base or add search assets to an area, sure. When something special is happening and you want to concentrate search arcs differently, sure. But mostly you will set them to what you find most effective for the area and leave them alone.

That's very true concerning TFs. For CV formations and even large SCTFs with lots of search planes, you can stick to 360 search. For smaller TFs and Glen subs, I find myself re-setting arcs as they move to cover the forward arc, so to speak.

[Canoerebel]

Arg!  Setting search arcs for individual TFs?  Having to adjust them as the TF moves forward or changes direction?  You've got to be kidding me! 

[Canoerebel]

I think Cam Ranh Bay is Steve's marshalling area.  I also think Sumatra is his most likely target, though the more vulnerable bases on Borneo are a possibility.  I'll of course start sweating if a big move comes, because the risks will be high, but can you imagine a better scenario for the Allies than for Japan to have to come in force into a vast network of major, well-defended bases in close proxmity to each other?

[witpqs]

ORIGINAL: Canoerebel

Arg!  Setting search arcs for individual TFs?  Having to adjust them as the TF moves forward or changes direction?  You've got to be kidding me! 

I never bother setting arcs for TFs. Remember that for targets within 4 hexes there is a chance of the group(s) on search detecting no matter what the arcs.

[Lomri]

The time used setting up arcs for bases will be saved in pilot training management clicks. Truly.

(But you may want to keep an eye on the Z key for arcs because if you have patrol groups aren't filling up from loses it can reduce your coverage - hmm, this sentence didn't encourage you to patch did it).

[Cribtop]

And as an Allied player you don't have Glens, which is 90% of the "small TF arc setting" I refer to. For CV TFs, just set a %age on nav search and don't bother with arcs. You will have enough planes to cover 360 degrees.

[Insano]

ORIGINAL: witpqs

I never bother setting arcs for TFs. Remember that for targets within 4 hexes there is a chance of the group(s) on search detecting no matter what the arcs.

I'm not sure but I remember the free all around search coverage as being only 2 hexes radius.

[bradfordkay]

Sorry, Dan... but I love implementing search arcs. I hate the thought that my PBY squadron at Port Headland is flying search patterns over the Great Sandy Desert. I also like hitting the "Z" key to see how well my search patterns overlap. The good thing is that you can ignore search arcs if you want and probably won't lose too much in efficiency - it's just that this is one of those details I obsess over (thus my thread the other day when I caught myself trying to decide whether my planes should fly west in the morning and east in the afternoon in order to avoid searching into the sun!).

As far as TFs go, I will adjust the VS/VB naval search patterns as the TFs move, but leave the ASW search on 360 degree patterns. There are times that my VS/VB naval search has to go into a 360 degree pattern, but that is rare (I am not as fond as you are of deep penetrating raids).

[Cribtop]

Making pretty patterns with the Z key should be worth VPs.

[Crackaces]

ORIGINAL: Cribtop

Making pretty patterns with the Z key should be worth VPs.

This happends indirectly .... [;)]

[princep01]

BBfanboy, your words of warning regarding a "trap' at Kuching are a pipedream. If the Japanese tried at this point to "drop in", land or banzai the Palembang fortress, it would be a wholesale slaughter of the Empire's troops, planes and ships. The Allies are far too strong for them to seriously threaten southern Sumatra. In fact, an Allied player's sweetest dream would be for the Japanese to assault the fortress now.

Your concern might have had some merit 5 months ago, but now, let'em come and let'em die.

As a tactical trap, there is a small chance the IJA could be laying in wait a couple of hexes away from Kuching hoping the Allies send in a small expeditionary force to take the base. They could destroy a small force attempting to take the base on the cheap. However, CR's style of play makes this possibility a near impossibility. He is cautious in that way.

Nope, the Palembang fortress is a permanent fixture now. The Allies are building up the support bases to spring forward in significant ways over the next 6 months. I'd wager the current ooze forward will become a virtual flood soner rather than later and that the honorable Japanese will spend the greater part of their time building defenses to hold against the tide of steel and fire.

[princep01]

CR, I join those urging you to upgrade to the official patch (r9). The arc business is only what you want it to be. I use them, but, as stated by others, once you set land base arcs, they tend to stay very stable. It is a small price to pay for the 300+ changes and improvemetns the patch makes to AE. Some are not immediately noticeable and some will not even take effect in games in process, but it is really a fine improvement.

[BBfanboy]

ORIGINAL: princep01

BBfanboy, your words of warning regarding a "trap' at Kuching are a pipedream. If the Japanese tried at this point to "drop in", land or banzai the Palembang fortress, it would be a wholesale slaughter of the Empire's troops, planes and ships. The Allies are far too strong for them to seriously threaten southern Sumatra. In fact, an Allied player's sweetest dream would be for the Japanese to assault the fortress now.

Your concern might have had some merit 5 months ago, but now, let'em come and let'em die.

As a tactical trap, there is a small chance the IJA could be laying in wait a couple of hexes away from Kuching hoping the Allies send in a small expeditionary force to take the base. They could destroy a small force attempting to take the base on the cheap. However, CR's style of play makes this possibility a near impossibility. He is cautious in that way.

Nope, the Palembang fortress is a permanent fixture now. The Allies are building up the support bases to spring forward in significant ways over the next 6 months. I'd wager the current ooze forward will become a virtual flood soner rather than later and that the honorable Japanese will spend the greater part of their time building defenses to hold against the tide of steel and fire.

I was not thinking of Palembang as a target at all. I think the IJA and IJN could draw a line down the middle of the Java Sea and claim everything to the right [i.e. Borneo] as theirs and put in enough fighters to hold off allied bombing. And by precipitating a crisis in Borneo they might hope to lure Allied capital ships into KB range [parked off the north coast of Borneo]. I agree completely that Sumatra is a lost cause now.

[JeffroK]

ORIGINAL: BBfanboy

ORIGINAL: princep01

BBfanboy, your words of warning regarding a "trap' at Kuching are a pipedream. If the Japanese tried at this point to "drop in", land or banzai the Palembang fortress, it would be a wholesale slaughter of the Empire's troops, planes and ships. The Allies are far too strong for them to seriously threaten southern Sumatra. In fact, an Allied player's sweetest dream would be for the Japanese to assault the fortress now.

Your concern might have had some merit 5 months ago, but now, let'em come and let'em die.

As a tactical trap, there is a small chance the IJA could be laying in wait a couple of hexes away from Kuching hoping the Allies send in a small expeditionary force to take the base. They could destroy a small force attempting to take the base on the cheap. However, CR's style of play makes this possibility a near impossibility. He is cautious in that way.

Nope, the Palembang fortress is a permanent fixture now. The Allies are building up the support bases to spring forward in significant ways over the next 6 months. I'd wager the current ooze forward will become a virtual flood soner rather than later and that the honorable Japanese will spend the greater part of their time building defenses to hold against the tide of steel and fire.

I was not thinking of Palembang as a target at all. I think the IJA and IJN could draw a line down the middle of the Java Sea and claim everything to the right [i.e. Borneo] as theirs and put in enough fighters to hold off allied bombing. And by precipitating a crisis in Borneo they might hope to lure Allied capital ships into KB range [parked off the north coast of Borneo]. I agree completely that Sumatra is a lost cause now.

I reckon CR should have some(or not far away) para capable troops which could be flown in and spoil any such ambush. he could also march them in from the bases he already holds in Borneo.

[BBfanboy]

JeffK, you still don't get me - I'm not talking about some little incursion. He has been pulling troops back from India and possibly Indochina. His amphib ships have not been active for a while. KB is hiding and he has been holding back his surface ships. There is lots of intel that Cam Rahn Bay is a busy place. I don't know the IJA OOB but if there are 4-5 divisions missing, they could be ready to jump on the still relatively small Allied force in Borneo. A paratroop response would not be enough to kick a division anywhere.