OT: Corona virus

[Cap Mandrake]

Send them to Nauru [:)]

[Ian R]

That's for people who need to be sent to jail without trial indefinitely for daring to attempt to enter this country without a visa.

The two weekers are just a government ploy to not only mitigate the spread of the virus, but also to directly pay otherwise empty hotels to keep employing staff and maintain a thin facade of economic activity.

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This article on the missing doctor in China also had this in it. More and more confirmation that the Chinese numbers are not only off, but off by design.

https://www.rfa.org/english/news/china/ ... 50737.html

Hubei resident Feng Jianbin said many people worried about the continued spread of COVID-19 by people with no symptoms.

"Asymptomatic carriers, as they're called, are defined by the government, who just keep on redefining the parameters and then say that there are no confirmed cases," Feng said. "The aim is mainly to cover up the reality."

"The day before yesterday there was a case like this in Jingmen city, who had traveled through Wuhan and stayed there for two days," he said. "That was two-and-a-half months ago, and they've only just discovered him, which is terrifying."

News website Caixin called on health officials to release official figures for the number of asymptomatic cases, who are not treated by the authorities as confirmed COVID-19 cases, even if they test positive for the virus.

What is amazing now is that so much of this is coming from the Chinese people. I could see this being a turning point in China, a time when people began to stand up to the Government and demand more freedoms.

There are reports of people on the border of Hubei tossing over police cars and otherwise being civilly disobedient. More than that though the tide of information is nearly impossible for even the Chinese government to stop without turning ff the internet alltogether.

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ORIGINAL: Encircled

Dunno if you listen to James O'Brien on LBC mate, but he had a succession of very clued up callers who explained rather well (and bloody worryingly) why we are not ramping up the testing.

We just don't have the capacity, and the government are making sweeping statements every day about it rather than talking to the experts......something the UK is becoming ridiculously good at ignoring recently.

I'm sure we will get there, but Germany doing 500,000 and we can't do 10,000 suggests something is badly wrong somewhere

I don't listen much to anyone. I read various articles and sometimes watch the BBC news.

So why are we not ramping up the testing? Did they explain other reasons besides the lack of enough chemicals to do the lab tests?

Germany is planning to do 200k a day, but currently has by all reports done somewhere over 500k total. The UK isn't bad now, but it's not doing enough of the most critical people, the NHS workers, and other necessary staff.

Found out last night my wife's business partner has it. Feeling rough, all of the symptoms. We're worried. She's only 39, but it's still a concern. Our children go to the same nursery, and the vector was their child. He is in a younger room, but this proves definitively that the virus was moving through the nursery.

So hard to distinguish symptoms in young ones, as they're similar to a number of other diseases that are going through all of the time, like hand, foot and mouth, which was there also. Our daughter had no symptoms, and neither have we, and it's been over two weeks since she was in nursery.

[JohnDillworth]

Ah, now the Yellowstone super volcano is waking up. It's pretty much the largest dormant volcano on earth. It goes off it's game over. New theory, this is the rapture and the dead are the ones called to heaven and the rest of us.....not so much. https://earthquake.usgs.gov/earthquakes/map/

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The FT have updated their US map to show what restrictions are in place state by state in the US. There are still a lot of states without any order to stay home it seems, and yet those all show cases present. Some quite a few, like Florida. Has there been informal suggestion to stay at home and isolate in these areas, or what is the message from local and state governments?

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A new cases chart. They've extended to show the uptick in China, but not on top to indicate actual US numbers. Still interesting. Italy especially showing flattening now.

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ORIGINAL: JohnDillworth

Ah, now the Yellowstone super volcano is waking up. It's pretty much the largest dormant volcano on earth. It goes off it's game over. New theory, this is the rapture and the dead are the ones called to heaven and the rest of us.....not so much. https://earthquake.usgs.gov/earthquakes/map/

This appears to show some quakes in Idaho, not at Yellowstone, which is farther NE mostly in Wyoming with some in Montana. By all accounts Yellowstone is due an eruption (in the next 1,000 years or so), so yes, it could happen anytime, or so far in the future we'll be long past worrying about it. Now though would be very bad.

There is one small quake in the Yellowstone area.

[alanschu]

USA had a very large spike in deaths (almost eclipsing Italy's peak number with 912 vs 919) [:(]

Spain's numbers (new cases and deaths) seem to be flattening (definitely are logarithmically).

France is still accelerating but looks to be linearly. UK and Germany both had big jumps. One interesting thing I see about Germany is that their first death came almost a full month after their first tests. They do seem to have gotten an early start on the testing, as opposed to other places which seem to have ramped up the testing once critical patients were being hit.

[Cap Mandrake]

ORIGINAL: obvert

ORIGINAL: Encircled

Dunno if you listen to James O'Brien on LBC mate, but he had a succession of very clued up callers who explained rather well (and bloody worryingly) why we are not ramping up the testing.

We just don't have the capacity, and the government are making sweeping statements every day about it rather than talking to the experts......something the UK is becoming ridiculously good at ignoring recently.

I'm sure we will get there, but Germany doing 500,000 and we can't do 10,000 suggests something is badly wrong somewhere

I don't listen much to anyone. I read various articles and sometimes watch the BBC news.

So why are we not ramping up the testing? Did they explain other reasons besides the lack of enough chemicals to do the lab tests?

Germany is planning to do 200k a day, but currently has by all reports done somewhere over 500k total. The UK isn't bad now, but it's not doing enough of the most critical people, the NHS workers, and other necessary staff.

Found out last night my wife's business partner has it. Feeling rough, all of the symptoms. We're worried. She's only 39, but it's still a concern. Our children go to the same nursery, and the vector was their child. He is in a younger room, but this proves definitively that the virus was moving through the nursery.

So hard to distinguish symptoms in young ones, as they're similar to a number of other diseases that are going through all of the time, like hand, foot and mouth, which was there also. Our daughter had no symptoms, and neither have we, and it's been over two weeks since she was in nursery.

There is a pretty good Chinese study showing the range of time between exposure and development of symptoms. That is between about 2 and 11 days with a mean of 5.5 days. 95% of symptomatic individuals will become symptomatic by 11 days post exposure.

This is where the 14 d quarantine came from

[Chickenboy]

ORIGINAL: obvert

The FT have updated their US map to show what restrictions are in place state by state in the US. There are still a lot of states without any order to stay home it seems, and yet those all show cases present. Some quite a few, like Florida. Has there been informal suggestion to stay at home and isolate in these areas, or what is the message from local and state governments?

Many states that don't have a Federal or State mandated stay at home order per se, but these states have county-by-county or city restrictions. For example, Texas doesn't have a stay at home order, but the bigger counties (with the bigger cities) do. Harris county (Houston), Travis (Austin), Bexar (San Antonio) have county or city ordinances that are coordinated with neighboring counties. I think it's working pretty well for us-in a Texan way.

[Chickenboy]

ORIGINAL: Encircled

ORIGINAL: MakeeLearn

It's the Apocalypse...

Mountain goats take over Welsh town in coronavirus lockdown

31 Mar 2020
https://metro.co.uk/2020/03/31/mountain ... -12483098/

"Goats have been defying the lockdown in a North Wales town by taking advantage of the quiet streets to mount a takeover. Empty roads in Llandudno proved a tempting habitat for the animals, who have been gorging on hedges and gardens."

I for one welcome our new goat overlords

[:D]

[MakeeLearn]

"The US has more confirmed cases than any other country — more than 185,400, according to a CNN count.

More than 3,800 people have died in the US.

Between 100,000 and 240,000 Americans could die in the coming weeks, according to US government modeling.'


https://www.cnn.com/world/live-news/cor ... index.html

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ORIGINAL: alanschu

USA had a very large spike in deaths (almost eclipsing Italy's peak number with 912 vs 919) [:(]

Spain's numbers (new cases and deaths) seem to be flattening (definitely are logarithmically).

France is still accelerating but looks to be linearly. UK and Germany both had big jumps. One interesting thing I see about Germany is that their first death came almost a full month after their first tests. They do seem to have gotten an early start on the testing, as opposed to other places which seem to have ramped up the testing once critical patients were being hit.

For the UK some of the jump was counting cases that never made it to hospital, which were not in the count before.

[MakeeLearn]

Coronavirus death rate may be lower than previously thought
18 hours ago

https://www.livescience.com/death-rate- ... mates.html


"A group of researchers analyzed data from China and found that the overall mortality rate of COVID-19 was 1.38%. But if they adjusted for cases that likely went unaccounted for due to their mild or asymptomatic nature, the overall mortality rate decreased to around 0.66%, they reported on March 30 in journal The Lancet Infectious Diseases."

"The researchers also found that nearly 1 in 5 people over the age of 80 infected with COVID-19 were likely to require hospitalization whereas only 1% of people under 30 were likely to be hospitalized."

[Chickenboy]

Damnit. Why'd they have to mess up that nice curve from yesterday? [:(] What looked like a clearly plateauing trendline yesterday is showing a very troubling spike today. My 'call' of an imminent peak was way off. Mea culpa. I was wrong.

Also hearing anecdotal reports from friends in the medical field that are being treated poorly at work with poor biosecurity protocols and supplies for frontline workers and rough mandates for work in a very hazardous environment. Combined with sporadic reports domestically about poor social distancing practices and still limited testing, my recent optimism has flatlined.

[MakeeLearn]

Coronavirus (COVID-19) death rate in Italy as of March 31, 2020, by age group

[MakeeLearn]

More than 50% of Coronavirus patients in Mass. are under age 50, data shows
March 31, 2020
https://whdh.com/news/more-than-50-of-c ... ata-shows/

"BOSTON (WHDH) - While many coronavirus deaths in Massachusetts have involved individuals over the age of 60 with preexisting conditions, the majority of those who are getting infected are under the age of 50, state data shows.

Statistics shared by the Massachusetts Department of Public Health show 53 percent of all confirmed coronavirus cases in the state involve residents under the age of 50.

As of Monday afternoon, there were a total of 5,752 confirmed cases across the Commonwealth and 4,142 were people under the age of 50.

There were 1,088 cases in people 50-59 years of age — the highest count of any age range. There were 1,031 cases in people 30-39 years of age — the second highest case count.

The full case breakdown by age range is as follows:

≤19 years of age – 122
20-29 years of age – 953
30-39 years of age -1031
40-49 years of age – 948
50-59 years of age – 1088
60-69 years of age – 802
≥ 70 years of age -801
Unknown – 7"

[MakeeLearn]

ORIGINAL: Chickenboy
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Combined with sporadic reports domestically about poor social distancing practices and ...

I've read that they are contemplating everyone wearing mask in public. USA.

[MakeeLearn]

I would imagine that anyone regardless of age/health will be infected if within the proximity of the virus. How the virus will affect you is the key question.