Tale of the Sheep! - JocMeister (A) vs. Lowpe (J)

[JocMeister]

Going to try to grab a few hours sleep before packing the kids in the car.

Be back in 1-2 weeks although I might drop by the forum from time to time. [:)]

Vacation ftw!

[BBfanboy]

ORIGINAL: paullus99

If that's what he's going to face on bombardments, his artillery isn't going to last too long.

I wouldn't necessarily be too concerned about SD - wait until you seen the results of his first attack. If you kill off a bunch of engineer squads, he's not going to be able to replace them.

Also, depending on what happens at LA, he might be in serious trouble here within the next few turns. You've really started whittling down his air groups.

I expect those three "units" you destroyed were, in fact, just fragments. He had a number of /1 fragments in the stack. Still a good result in terms of relative losses. If you have the M1A1 155mm Long Tom in your artillery collection you can outrange him on counterbattery and he will soon be shooting slingshots.

[Grollub]

ORIGINAL: JocMeister

Going to try to grab a few hours sleep before packing the kids in the car.

Be back in 1-2 weeks although I might drop by the forum from time to time. [:)]

Vacation ftw!

Önskar dig en trevlig semester!

[Rio Bravo]

Joc-

I know that I am relatively new at playing this war and don't have near the knowledge or experience that many others retain, however, I stand by my original belief that I think Lowpe has made a serious mistake attacking Southern California. I think this attack is going to hurt him immensely down the road.

Hang in there. You are doing an awesome job.

Have a wonderful vacation.

Best Regards,

-Terry

[Lokasenna]

ORIGINAL: paullus99

If that's what he's going to face on bombardments, his artillery isn't going to last too long.

I wouldn't necessarily be too concerned about SD - wait until you seen the results of his first attack. If you kill off a bunch of engineer squads, he's not going to be able to replace them.

Also, depending on what happens at LA, he might be in serious trouble here within the next few turns. You've really started whittling down his air groups.

He would be able to pull replacements from the base outside of San Diego.

[Canoerebel]

Rio, you're right in that this is an all-or-nothing gambit by Lowpe. If he had a good plan and succeeds, the damage to Jocke would be great, or Lowpe wouldn't be trying this. But if he fails, he's skewered himself. To have most of his army and navy committed to a long term and dangerous expedition while the Allies are on the move elsewhere is a bad recipe. And, as we all know, an orderly withdrawal is sometimes the most difficult thing of all. If the wheels come off for Lowpe it probably isn't going to be pretty.

But we readers are fortunate that two experienced players are posting regularly while engaged in a novel campaign. Thanks, Jocke, for doing your part.

[Bullwinkle58]

I suspect forts at SD will be determinative. If this was ever going to work, apart from doing it 7-9 months earlier, it needed less dinking around at LA and surrounding bases, less marching, less maneuvering. He should have brought everything ashore on top of SD, except what was needed to take an island for AKE purposes and para shots to hold back the railroads, and taken the dang city.

Everything Japan has sitting at LA is useless. And probably goners, with no ROI.

Someday he's going to find out the fuel stocks sitting at SD and kick himself.

[Mike McCreery]

It makes for a good show!!

[jwolf]

Jocke, have a great vacation and thanks to both of you for a great game and AAR.

[RangerJoe]

Look at the bright side, at least the children had the chicken pox before the vacation and not during the vacation!

[JocMeister]

Hi guys!

Still out travelling. Weather isnt great though. Had some really bad rain yesterday. Spending a lot of time in the car and tent with two hyperactive kiss isn't as fin as it sounds! [:'(]

At least I get to spend a lot of time thinking about the game! Have a pretty clear mental picture of how I think this game will play out.

Anyway, no page 2 for me!

[obvert]

ORIGINAL: JocMeister

Hi guys!

Still out travelling. Weather isnt great though. Had some really bad rain yesterday. Spending a lot of time in the car and tent with two hyperactive kiss isn't as fin as it sounds! [:'(]

At least I get to spend a lot of time thinking about the game! Have a pretty clear mental picture of how I think this game will play out.

Anyway, no page 2 for me!

Yeah, tell me about it. I went out in a tee shirt yesterday, thinking, as you would in mid July, that it is summer. Massive chilly rains arrived around noon and I got drenched. Yuck. Last summer was great here, and this has been really poor.

Hope you get some sun, hiking, fishing, bird watching, avoid the bears and mama moose, and that you brought some good IPAs for the campfire stories!

[Lecivius]

ORIGINAL: JocMeister

ORIGINAL: Lokasenna

IJA divisions have built-in combat engineers. Not a lot, but some. Not enough to get from forts 9 to 0, probably.

How depressing...

I really wish SD would have been Light Urban at least...[:@]

I just saw this. I have pictures of San Diego from this time. I have to admit I was completely shocked at how primitive it was back then. I lived in this area for a few years, and even so, I had no idea how far it had come in such a short period. I still hope to get these pics digital sometime in the next year, but suffice to say a simple wood frame house was a luxury back then [;)]

[JocMeister]

Hi guys!

Just arrived at the in laws. Weather is still pretty bad and we will probably head home shortly. Probably tomorrow or Sunday. Finally got access to a computer although its pretty awkward to type on this laptop.

Regarding the game I agree with CR that this is a all or nothing move. And personally its not one I would do as the Japanese. The gain is not THAT big unless you can capture LA and that is very unlikely even under the best circumstances. Losing SD is a blow but you can make do without the AC production there.

As Bull is saying I also think this not the best way to go about it. Mainly its too late. This invasion should have happened in the 1st quarter of 42. I´m pretty certain that would have been successful. Level 1-3 forts. Allied divisions in poor shape with lots of disablements...and few troops in general. Going that early would also mean that Nick/Jeff wouldnt have had to worry about an allied counterattack. Now that counterattack is the biggest danger. Most of the map is compltetely undefended. 4 divisions in Burma and that is it. Even if Jeff captures SD I could probably end the game in a couple of months by smacking down 8-10 divisions just west of PB. March there and wreck the oil. Game over.

Not going to do that though. Its a pretty boring way to go about it. Pencil II will still happen as will Paper and Paperclip. But after that I´ll probably going to give Jeff some time to get into position and set up his defenses. That doesnt mean I wont do anything but I´ll probably stop the advance in SEA and start moving in NORPAC/CENTPAC instead. Not because I need to but to prolong the game for the fun of us both as well as you readers.

I´ll go into more detail regarding this as I return home. But I had a lot of time to ponder this and I´m pretty sure I could "win" this by just continuing to push in SEA even if I dont do an all out attack on the oil. I could probably reach the SCS in 3 months. But I just don´t see much fun in that.

This laptop is horrible to type on...so that will be enough for now! [:)]

[obvert]

ORIGINAL: JocMeister

Even if Jeff captures SD I could probably end the game in a couple of months by smacking down 8-10 divisions just west of PB. March there and wreck the oil. Game over.

Not going to do that though. Its a pretty boring way to go about it. Pencil II will still happen as will Paper and Paperclip. But after that I´ll probably going to give Jeff some time to get into position and set up his defenses. That doesnt mean I wont do anything but I´ll probably stop the advance in SEA and start moving in NORPAC/CENTPAC instead. Not because I need to but to prolong the game for the fun of us both as well as you readers.

So if I understand what you're saying, you won't chose to play the best Allied option because it's not sporting?!? [X(] [:D]

I for one think it would be the most fun for us readers to see you go for the jugular if you think you can here. Take out the oil. The response it will provoke will be fantastic to watch, and you might be surprised at the resilience of the defenders. If you really think you can end it, give the old college try!! [:)]

[JocMeister]

Phew. Back home.

Way too tired for a turn tonight but hopefully I have it for the morning coffee.

[BillBrown]

ORIGINAL: obvert

ORIGINAL: JocMeister

Even if Jeff captures SD I could probably end the game in a couple of months by smacking down 8-10 divisions just west of PB. March there and wreck the oil. Game over.

Not going to do that though. Its a pretty boring way to go about it. Pencil II will still happen as will Paper and Paperclip. But after that I´ll probably going to give Jeff some time to get into position and set up his defenses. That doesnt mean I wont do anything but I´ll probably stop the advance in SEA and start moving in NORPAC/CENTPAC instead. Not because I need to but to prolong the game for the fun of us both as well as you readers.

So if I understand what you're saying, you won't chose to play the best Allied option because it's not sporting?!? [X(] [:D]

I for one think it would be the most fun for us readers to see you go for the jugular if you think you can here. Take out the oil. The response it will provoke will be fantastic to watch, and you might be surprised at the resilience of the defenders. If you really think you can end it, give the old college try!! [:)]

Totally agree. Go for the jugular, make him pay.

[Grollub]

ORIGINAL: BillBrown

ORIGINAL: obvert

ORIGINAL: JocMeister

Even if Jeff captures SD I could probably end the game in a couple of months by smacking down 8-10 divisions just west of PB. March there and wreck the oil. Game over.

Not going to do that though. Its a pretty boring way to go about it. Pencil II will still happen as will Paper and Paperclip. But after that I´ll probably going to give Jeff some time to get into position and set up his defenses. That doesnt mean I wont do anything but I´ll probably stop the advance in SEA and start moving in NORPAC/CENTPAC instead. Not because I need to but to prolong the game for the fun of us both as well as you readers.

So if I understand what you're saying, you won't chose to play the best Allied option because it's not sporting?!? [X(] [:D]

I for one think it would be the most fun for us readers to see you go for the jugular if you think you can here. Take out the oil. The response it will provoke will be fantastic to watch, and you might be surprised at the resilience of the defenders. If you really think you can end it, give the old college try!! [:)]

Totally agree. Go for the jugular, make him pay.

I concur.

[Anachro]

I completely agree with the above. The idea of extending a game or altering your plans just to be considerate to us or your opponent strikes me as wrong. Always do what makes sense in the game. If there is a wide-open opportunity to go for the jugular, you think the allies wouldn't have done it?

[JocMeister]

Jeff hadn´t done the turn yet. I hope to get the turn today.

I´ll think about what to do a little bit more. As I said I´m pretty damn sure I could land outside PB in 1-3 months and just walk over there and destroy it. According to SIGINT there are NO Japanese divisions in SEA besides 3 divisions in Northern Burma and 1 division at Ledo. Just imagine the time it would take for Jeff to get the troops disengaged on the WC and then shipped to Sumatra...That being said he has already been way too long on the WC. He should be starting to move out already.

That being said my original plan of Pencil II will require another month of commitment. I can´t do that AND land outside PB. Lets see how things look by then.