Red Storm rising.. Aztez (J) vs Ctangus (A) CHS 155

[aztez]

ORIGINAL: Nemo121

Check the file you sent me... All but one of your CV Zero squadrons is set for CAP at 100 feet. If you need me to ( if you've over-written it ) I can send you the turn file again. If you do do a redo I would suggest that you just run the hell away. Now isn't the time to fight the Americans. Let them take Buin and come back at them in a month or two's time when you have enogh fighters to actually protect your ships etc...

I take your word for it and I do have the file at my computer in home.

No. I wohn't run away unless Chuck wants to. If I loose than so be it.. BUT not like this. I mean 100 feet... [8|][:(] ..That is awful and those fighters wohn't hit ANYTHING from that alltitude. Propably a lot of them refused to fly out too.

...just not right to throw away months of gameplay only to notice this. I have invested a lot of my spare freetime into this.

If he doens't want to fight than so be it... fine with that too but as said 100 feet... what the hell happened! [:(][8|]

I will let you know once Chuck replies.

[Yakface]

Aztez, I think you owe WITP an apology [;)].  All the abuse you hurled its way looks unjustified - results seem to be mostly down to the dodgy command decisions.

[aztez]

ORIGINAL: Yakface

Aztez, I think you owe WITP an apology [;)].  All the abuse you hurled its way looks unjustified - results seem to be mostly down to the dodgy command decisions.

Actually the apology would be not delete the game from the HD... That is the best WITP is going to get.

I mean had a lot of weird things happened before in allied side.

(TF loading troops and than troops popping up some atolls way off the whole theatre, etc etc, etc)

[aztez]

Ok. I got email back from Chuck.
 
We will re-run the turn with proper CAP alltitudes and check what kind of results it brings.
 
IF the US CV fleet is wiped out without no major damage to IJN or vice versa than we discuss it again.
 
This whole "error" left a bad taste so this was a proper thing to do.

Chuck also said that his 4E bombers stood down againts Rabaul so that base propably will be hit hard.
 
I will send the file with the same orders (except CAP/Escort alltitude) and lets see how it plays out.

[aztez]

Hi all...
 
 
We did redo the turn after that alltitude screw up. Well, it is hard to recreate everything.
 
At first it seemed that there would be no CV duels. The TF's reacted as before but failed to launch any strikes. Next day the hell broke loose and I would definately call this allied victory.
 
The only thing diffrent is that due to CAP alltitudes it did not leave such an bad taste and all in all this fair battle. Which I would say I lost... [8|][:)]

Here it how it went down....
 
 
Day Air attack on TF at 69,97
 
Japanese aircraft
A6M2 Zero x 56
A6M3 Zero x 33

Allied aircraft
F4F-4 Wildcat x 80
SBD-3 Dauntless x 86
TBF Avenger x 39

Japanese aircraft losses
A6M2 Zero: 25 destroyed, 1 damaged
A6M3 Zero: 7 destroyed

Allied aircraft losses
F4F-4 Wildcat: 51 destroyed
SBD-3 Dauntless: 5 destroyed, 22 damaged
TBF Avenger: 3 destroyed, 17 damaged

Japanese Ships
CV Junyo, Bomb hits 2
CVE Unyo, Bomb hits 2,  on fire
CV Hiyo
CVE Hosho, Bomb hits 4,  on fire,  heavy damage
CVL Ryujo
CVL Shoho, Bomb hits 2,  on fire
CVE Taiyo, Bomb hits 6,  on fire,  heavy damage
BB Haruna

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Day Air attack on TF at 69,97

Japanese aircraft
A6M2 Zero x 15
A6M3 Zero x 12

Allied aircraft
F4F-4 Wildcat x 4
SBD-3 Dauntless x 30
TBF Avenger x 14

Japanese aircraft losses
A6M2 Zero: 3 destroyed, 1 damaged
A6M3 Zero: 2 destroyed

Allied aircraft losses
F4F-4 Wildcat: 1 destroyed
SBD-3 Dauntless: 3 destroyed, 9 damaged
TBF Avenger: 5 destroyed, 4 damaged

Japanese Ships
CVL Zuiho, Bomb hits 1
CVE Taiyo,  on fire,  heavy damage
CVE Unyo, Bomb hits 2,  on fire,  heavy damage
CV Hiyo, Bomb hits 1
CVE Hosho, Torpedo hits 1,  on fire,  heavy damage

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Day Air attack on TF at 69,97
 
Japanese aircraft
A6M2 Zero x 15
A6M3 Zero x 11

Allied aircraft
F4F-4 Wildcat x 16
TBF Avenger x 28
Kittyhawk I x 9
B-25C Mitchell x 19
P-38F Lightning x 21

Japanese aircraft losses
A6M2 Zero: 14 destroyed
A6M3 Zero: 17 destroyed

Allied aircraft losses
F4F-4 Wildcat: 2 destroyed, 1 damaged
TBF Avenger: 2 destroyed, 7 damaged
Kittyhawk I: 5 destroyed
B-25C Mitchell: 1 damaged
P-38F Lightning: 5 destroyed, 7 damaged

Japanese Ships
CVE Unyo, Bomb hits 7, Torpedo hits 1,  on fire,  heavy damage
CV Junyo
CVL Shoho, Bomb hits 2,  on fire
CVE Hosho, Torpedo hits 1,  on fire,  heavy damage
CVL Ryujo
CVE Taiyo, Torpedo hits 1,  on fire,  heavy damage

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Day Air attack on TF at 69,97

Japanese aircraft
A6M2 Zero x 7
A6M3 Zero x 3

Allied aircraft
F4F-4 Wildcat x 14
SBD-3 Dauntless x 30

Japanese aircraft losses
A6M2 Zero: 2 destroyed
A6M3 Zero: 6 destroyed

Allied aircraft losses
F4F-4 Wildcat: 3 destroyed, 1 damaged
SBD-3 Dauntless: 1 destroyed, 3 damaged

Japanese Ships
CL Kitakami, Bomb hits 2,  on fire
CVL Ryujo, Bomb hits 1,  on fire

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Day Air attack on TF at 69,97
 
Japanese aircraft
A6M2 Zero x 9

Allied aircraft
F4F-4 Wildcat x 12
SBD-3 Dauntless x 29

Japanese aircraft losses
A6M2 Zero: 5 destroyed
A6M3 Zero: 1 destroyed

Allied aircraft losses
F4F-4 Wildcat: 2 destroyed, 1 damaged
SBD-3 Dauntless: 1 destroyed, 6 damaged

Japanese Ships
CVL Zuiho, Bomb hits 1,  on fire
CVL Shoho,  on fire
CVE Taiyo, Bomb hits 6,  on fire,  heavy damage

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Day Air attack on TF at 67,97

Japanese aircraft
A6M3 Zero x 4
B5N2 Kate x 12

Allied aircraft
F4F-4 Wildcat x 80

Japanese aircraft losses
A6M3 Zero: 4 destroyed
B5N2 Kate: 12 destroyed


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Day Air attack on TF at 67,97
 
Japanese aircraft
A6M2 Zero x 3
B5N2 Kate x 10

Allied aircraft
F4F-4 Wildcat x 75

Japanese aircraft losses
A6M2 Zero: 2 destroyed
B5N2 Kate: 10 destroyed

Allied aircraft losses
F4F-4 Wildcat: 1 damaged

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Day Air attack on TF at 67,97
 
Japanese aircraft
A6M2 Zero x 24
B5N2 Kate x 58

Allied aircraft
F4F-4 Wildcat x 80

Japanese aircraft losses
A6M2 Zero: 19 destroyed
B5N2 Kate: 38 destroyed

Allied aircraft losses
F4F-4 Wildcat: 9 destroyed, 3 damaged

Allied Ships
CA New Orleans
BB North Carolina, Torpedo hits 1
CV Enterprise, Torpedo hits 2,  on fire

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Day Air attack on TF at 67,97
 
Japanese aircraft
A6M2 Zero x 20
A6M3 Zero x 6
D3A2 Val x 50
B5N2 Kate x 21

Allied aircraft
F4F-4 Wildcat x 35

Japanese aircraft losses
A6M2 Zero: 11 destroyed
A6M3 Zero: 4 destroyed
D3A2 Val: 7 destroyed, 17 damaged
B5N2 Kate: 4 destroyed, 13 damaged

Allied aircraft losses
F4F-4 Wildcat: 19 destroyed

Allied Ships
CV Enterprise, Bomb hits 24, Torpedo hits 1,  on fire,  heavy damage
CA New Orleans, Torpedo hits 1
BB North Carolina, Bomb hits 2, Torpedo hits 1

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Day Air attack on TF at 67,97
 
Japanese aircraft
A6M3 Zero x 6
D3A2 Val x 37
B5N2 Kate x 34

Allied aircraft
F4F-4 Wildcat x 25

Japanese aircraft losses
A6M3 Zero: 5 destroyed
D3A2 Val: 4 destroyed, 10 damaged
B5N2 Kate: 7 destroyed, 14 damaged

Allied aircraft losses
F4F-4 Wildcat: 2 damaged

Allied Ships
CV Enterprise, Bomb hits 6, Torpedo hits 1,  on fire,  heavy damage
BB North Carolina, Torpedo hits 1,  on fire,  heavy damage
CA New Orleans
CA Louisville
CA Astoria, Bomb hits 2

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Day Air attack on TF at 67,97
 
Japanese aircraft
A6M2 Zero x 6
D3A2 Val x 25
B5N2 Kate x 21

Allied aircraft
F4F-4 Wildcat x 52

Japanese aircraft losses
A6M2 Zero: 3 destroyed
D3A2 Val: 10 destroyed, 5 damaged
B5N2 Kate: 2 destroyed, 17 damaged

Allied aircraft losses
F4F-4 Wildcat: 7 destroyed, 2 damaged

Allied Ships
BB New Mexico, Bomb hits 9
CV Hornet, Torpedo hits 5,  on fire,  heavy damage
CA Minneapolis, Bomb hits 1

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Day Air attack on TF at 67,97
 
Japanese aircraft
A6M3 Zero x 6
D3A2 Val x 16
B5N2 Kate x 17

Allied aircraft
F4F-4 Wildcat x 45

Japanese aircraft losses
A6M3 Zero: 3 destroyed
D3A2 Val: 4 destroyed, 8 damaged
B5N2 Kate: 11 destroyed

Allied aircraft losses
F4F-4 Wildcat: 6 destroyed

Allied Ships
CA Vincennes
BB Mississippi, Bomb hits 3, Torpedo hits 1
CV Wasp, Bomb hits 1

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Day Air attack on TF at 69,97

Japanese aircraft
A6M2 Zero x 2
A6M3 Zero x 1

Allied aircraft
F4F-4 Wildcat x 33
SBD-3 Dauntless x 82
TBF Avenger x 25

Japanese aircraft losses
A6M2 Zero: 1 destroyed

Allied aircraft losses
F4F-4 Wildcat: 1 destroyed
SBD-3 Dauntless: 1 damaged
TBF Avenger: 6 damaged

Japanese Ships
CV Junyo, Bomb hits 9,  on fire,  heavy damage
CVL Shoho, Bomb hits 2,  on fire,  heavy damage
CVL Ryujo, Bomb hits 1,  on fire
CVL Zuiho, Bomb hits 3,  on fire,  heavy damage
BB Haruna, Bomb hits 5,  on fire
CV Hiyo, Bomb hits 2,  on fire,  heavy damage

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Day Air attack on TF at 69,97


Allied aircraft
Kittyhawk I x 8
B-25C Mitchell x 20
P-38F Lightning x 13


Allied aircraft losses
P-38F Lightning: 1 destroyed, 1 damaged

Japanese Ships
CVL Shoho, Bomb hits 1,  on fire,  heavy damage
CVL Ryujo,  on fire
BB Haruna,  on fire

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Day Air attack on TF at 67,97
 
Japanese aircraft
D3A2 Val x 10
B5N2 Kate x 7

Allied aircraft
F4F-4 Wildcat x 16

Japanese aircraft losses
D3A2 Val: 8 destroyed
B5N2 Kate: 3 destroyed, 1 damaged


Allied Ships
BB Idaho
CV Yorktown
CA Chester


Hmmm... That is how it went. It could have much worse yet again It could have much better since CV Wasp and CV Yorktown escaped the slaughter.
 
I will start working on the turn. Chuck has the combat replay + files and it is 99% certain that this is the way we will go. Other option would be to withdraw completely... so basically we are not going to go with the old flawed file.
 
Here is the map from South Pacific....

[aztez]

We will continue with the above results.

This was already an tactical US Navy victory. Even though he lost 2 CV's his results were much better. I did loose huge amount of qualified pilots in these fierce battles plus at least 1 IJN CV is confirmed sun.

Thus I initially lost CV Junyo and 3 CVE's. Several other carriers are damaged. (See screenshot)

I can confirm that US Navy lost CV Hornet and BB North Carolina. I would also assume that CV Enterprise will sink too by reading the damage levels.

[Local Yokel]

I have been watching both sides’ AAR’s, so will be careful with what I say.

Commiserations from a fellow Japanese player, as you still had the worst of the re-run.

I was surprised to see that the battle took place significantly to the south of the previous battle site. It looks as though this may have helped to tip the scales against you somewhat, as his LBA was able to take part whilst yours did not.

A sad day for the Empire, but take heart and dig in: he’s still got a long way to go to the Home Islands, and you will have other opportunities!

[trollelite]

Shoho and zuiho are gone, you could still hope to save hiyo, if his SS not get her first. Others are not in immediate danger. Now time to organize next move. I see his airfield in Lunga, this means you be careful if you want a pursue.

See my post dear aztez, as jap player you need be careful, careful, and more careful!!

http://www.matrixgames.com/forums/tm.asp?m=1584852&mpage=1&key=&#1584852

[aztez]

Local Yokel: Nice to see you "again". Yeah, I did have the worst but at least we took down 2 US CV's which wohn't come around until 1944 which is not a bad thing.

Also He now has 4 US CV's operational and we do have more so basically in terms of carriers we enjoy an numerical advantage. [:)] (looking at the bright side)

You are correct. The place where the battle took place was a bit diffrent. This was due to the fact that the battle did not start on the 1st day... just TF's reactions and no launches.

Thanks. We will definately start digging in! ...and the war is far from over! [:)]

trollelite: Good read! I think CV Hiyo is safe unless submarines get an strike againts it. Definately time reorgarnize and the turn went pretty well.. or should we say that it was far from disaster.

Point taken!!! [:D] I need to tone down my aggressive mentality! [:D][:D]  ...Nemo has told me this too... and now on I will try to listen!

As for the game... I did run the turn before work and here is a short recap of things... (Full update later tonight)
 
* US CV's + LBA's hit those 2 badly damaged CVL's. Both sunk.
* US Cruiser TF intercepted IJN CL + 2 DD's ... all sunk.
* Weather cancelled Port Moresby strikes so Betty's took off from Rabaul and Wevak. [:D][:D] ...hitting several transports in SouthPac plus couple cruisers. Unfortunately these LBA's didn't hit any carriers.
 
We had a long email discussion with Nemo last night! I was in favour of retreating my carriers towards Gilberts/Marshalls.. he was vouching for Truk.
 
After debate I decieded to go for Truk and it seems like right thing to do since Betty's were lucky and just those 2 badly damaged damaged CVL's were lost. US carriers did not pursue which was good too.
 
Now I need reorganize my Carrier Fleet... it is still force to be reckon with. I will change more fighters into them and thus make it much stronger for future operations. As Nemo suggested and he is absolutely correct.
 
Overall we will survive and live to fight another day. [:)

Oh and in DEI... well Betty and LBA bombers ambushed Dutch Cruiser TF near Kendari. Several ships hit hard there too!!!]
 

[Rob Brennan UK]

100 ft CAP ? even I know your not THAT daft [;)]. maybe the TF commander got paranoid about PT boats [;)]

Nasty exchange in the replay too but 2 allied CV's and a good time to sink them too is a nice result for 3CVE's (although maybe not with the CV thrown in). Nemo had made a lot of excellent points and observations recently and i'm learning a lot from this AAR too (maybe I'll finally go dark side before i die [;)])

On the plus side . Vlad is looking good and will serve to unnerve Chuck as he might be getting victory disease sooner rather than later (maybe more ambush ops )

as ever good luck and have fun

[Historiker]

Hmm...
I've had it very often, that my interceptors didn't dive fast enough to attack very low fliying bombers, when they were on +25.000 ft.
Maybe it wouldn't be THAT wrong to let 20-30 Zeros fly at 100 or 1000 ft to intercept TBs?

[aztez]

Rob: Yeah. 100 feet.. I don't know what the hell happened! [:(]
 
Definately the best time to sink those CV's. Allthough it was a bit costly adventure it did not go all in vain.

As for Nemo.. well good points indeed and actually he is yet to be wrong with his advices/suggestions. [:D][8|] ...makes me sometimes embarrased. [:)]

The offensive againts Vladivostok will start soon!!! Need to get 2 Engineer units in place and it go Green for the operation.

Oh.. we will serve antidote for that victory disease soon enough!!! [;)]

I can absolutely recommend playing as IJN/IJA. It is actually very challenging and now I'am starting to get hang off it with all the advices I have gotten from the readers of this AAR and from Nemo ofcourse.
 
 
Historiker: Hmmm. That might actually make sense. Those torpedo bombers should meet CAP right from the get go! Never thought about that either I must admit. (Like that is some news)


Game date is 9th of August 1942
 
 
South Pacific
 
 
Aftermath of the CV Battle
 
 
Night Time Surface Combat at 69,95
 
Japanese Ships
CL Kitakami, Shell hits 24, Torpedo hits 1,  on fire,  heavy damage
DD Minekaze, Shell hits 24, and is sunk

Allied Ships
CA Minneapolis
CA San Francisco
CLAA San Juan
DD Lang
DD Stack
DD Sterett
DD Wilson
DD Shaw
DD Cushing
DD Perkins
DD Smith

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Night Time Surface Combat at 69,95
 
Japanese Ships
CL Kitakami, and is sunk

Allied Ships
CA Minneapolis
CA San Francisco
CLAA San Juan
DD Lang
DD Stack
DD Sterett
DD Wilson
DD Shaw
DD Cushing
DD Perkins
DD Smith

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Day Air attack on TF at 69,97
 

Allied aircraft
F4F-4 Wildcat x 27
SBD-3 Dauntless x 52
TBF Avenger x 15
Kittyhawk I x 6
B-25C Mitchell x 13
P-38F Lightning x 13


No Allied losses

Japanese Ships
CVL Zuiho, Bomb hits 12, Torpedo hits 1,  on fire,  heavy damage

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Day Air attack on TF, near Lunga at 67,101
 
Japanese aircraft
G4M1 Betty x 13

Allied aircraft
Kittyhawk I x 5

No Japanese losses

Allied aircraft losses
Kittyhawk I: 1 damaged

Allied Ships
AE Pyro, Torpedo hits 1,  on fire,  heavy damage
AE Lassen, Torpedo hits 2,  on fire,  heavy damage

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Day Air attack on TF, near Lunga at 67,101

Japanese aircraft
G4M1 Betty x 12

Allied aircraft
Kittyhawk I x 5

Japanese aircraft losses
G4M1 Betty: 1 destroyed, 6 damaged


Allied Ships
CL Detroit
AK City of Elwood, Torpedo hits 1

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Day Air attack on TF, near Buna at 56,92
 
Japanese aircraft
A6M2 Zero x 55
G4M1 Betty x 17

Japanese aircraft losses
G4M1 Betty: 3 damaged

Allied Ships
AP Luzon, Torpedo hits 2,  on fire,  heavy damage
AP Legazpi, Torpedo hits 1,  on fire,  heavy damage
AK Panay, Torpedo hits 3,  on fire,  heavy damage


Allied ground losses:
151 casualties reported
Guns lost 5
Vehicles lost 1

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Day Air attack on TF at 70,96
 

Allied aircraft
Kittyhawk I x 3
B-25C Mitchell x 13
P-38F Lightning x 12


No Allied losses

Japanese Ships
CVL Shoho, Bomb hits 6,  on fire,  heavy damage

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Day Air attack on TF at 69,97


Allied aircraft
F4F-4 Wildcat x 39
SBD-3 Dauntless x 100
TBF Avenger x 30


No Allied losses

Japanese Ships
DD Karukaya, Bomb hits 11,  on fire,  heavy damage
DD Asagao, Bomb hits 3, Torpedo hits 1,  on fire,  heavy damage

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Day Air attack on TF, near Lunga at 67,101

Japanese aircraft
G4M1 Betty x 9

Allied aircraft
Kittyhawk I x 7

Japanese aircraft losses
G4M1 Betty: 2 damaged


Allied Ships
MSW Tui
MSW Skylark
MSW Curlew, Torpedo hits 1,  on fire,  heavy damage

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Day Air attack on TF, near Lunga at 67,101

Japanese aircraft
G4M1 Betty x 6

Allied aircraft
Kittyhawk I x 7

Japanese aircraft losses
G4M1 Betty: 1 destroyed, 2 damaged


Allied Ships
MSW Horsham, Torpedo hits 1,  on fire,  heavy damage
AP Crescent City, Torpedo hits 1,  on fire

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Day Air attack on TF, near Goodenough Island at 57,94

Japanese aircraft
A6M2 Zero x 3
G4M1 Betty x 15

Allied aircraft
Kittyhawk I x 9

Japanese aircraft losses
G4M1 Betty: 3 destroyed, 5 damaged

Allied aircraft losses
Kittyhawk I: 1 damaged

Allied Ships
MSW Cowra
MSW Broome, Torpedo hits 1,  on fire,  heavy damage
AK Gausdal

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Day Air attack on TF, near Lunga at 67,101

Japanese aircraft
G4M1 Betty x 18

Allied aircraft
Kittyhawk I x 7

Japanese aircraft losses
G4M1 Betty: 1 destroyed, 6 damaged

Allied aircraft losses
Kittyhawk I: 1 damaged

Allied Ships
DD Waters
CL Detroit, Torpedo hits 1,  on fire,  heavy damage
AK Hirondelle
DD Dent
AK Hawaiian, Torpedo hits 1,  on fire


Allied ground losses:
25 casualties reported

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Day Air attack on TF, near Lunga at 67,101
 
Japanese aircraft
G4M1 Betty x 4

Allied aircraft
F4F-4 Wildcat x 1
Kittyhawk I x 9

Japanese aircraft losses
G4M1 Betty: 4 damaged

Allied aircraft losses
Kittyhawk I: 1 damaged

Allied Ships
CL Detroit, Torpedo hits 1,  on fire,  heavy damage

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Day Air attack on TF, near Lunga at 67,101

Japanese aircraft
G4M1 Betty x 28

Allied aircraft
F4F-4 Wildcat x 1
Kittyhawk I x 9

Japanese aircraft losses
G4M1 Betty: 6 destroyed

Allied aircraft losses
Kittyhawk I: 2 damaged

Allied Ships
AK Empire Ibex, Torpedo hits 1,  on fire
AK Empire Impala, Torpedo hits 2,  on fire,  heavy damage
AK Empire Dawn, Torpedo hits 1,  on fire

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Day Air attack on TF, near Goodenough Island at 57,94
 
Japanese aircraft
G4M1 Betty x 6

No Japanese losses

Allied Ships
AP Luzon, Bomb hits 2,  on fire,  heavy damage
AP Legazpi,  on fire,  heavy damage

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Day Air attack on TF, near Fergusson Island at 57,95

Japanese aircraft
A6M2 Zero x 17
G4M1 Betty x 17

Japanese aircraft losses
G4M1 Betty: 1 damaged

Allied Ships
AK Don Esteban, Torpedo hits 2,  on fire,  heavy damage
AK Malaita, Torpedo hits 1,  on fire,  heavy damage
PG Warrego, Torpedo hits 1,  on fire,  heavy damage

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Day Air attack on TF, near Tulagi at 67,100

Japanese aircraft
G4M1 Betty x 3

Japanese aircraft losses
G4M1 Betty: 1 damaged

Allied Ships
DD Selfridge, Torpedo hits 2,  on fire

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Day Air attack on TF, near Lunga at 67,101
 
Japanese aircraft
G4M1 Betty x 12

Allied aircraft
F4F-4 Wildcat x 1
Kittyhawk I x 6

Japanese aircraft losses
G4M1 Betty: 5 damaged


Allied Ships
CL Detroit,  on fire,  heavy damage
AK Steel Ranger
MSW Echuca, Torpedo hits 1,  on fire,  heavy damage
AK West Planter, Torpedo hits 1,  on fire


Allied ground losses:
40 casualties reported
Guns lost 1

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Day Air attack on TF, near Fergusson Island at 57,95
 
Japanese aircraft
A6M2 Zero x 13
G4M1 Betty x 3

No Japanese losses

Allied Ships
AK Malaita, Torpedo hits 1,  on fire,  heavy damage


Nice! The gods were with us last turn. Allied 4E hammer did not fly out of Port Moresby due to bad weather!!1 [&o]

Naturally CVL Shoho & CVL Zuiho are lost. A silence was held to the lost sailors and ships.

Rest of the Carrier fleet should be ok unless we are very unlucky with allied submarines. As you can see the allied CV's were too scared to pursue. Propably good for them since those Betty's could have shredded them to pieces along with the KB.

Also CA Canberra sunk near Port Moresby. So she was unable to reach friendly harbour.

Next turn I might loose some bombers here but that quite ok. The most worrying thing is that allied are building up mutual supporting airfields in the region.

DEI
 
 
IJA bombers strike near Kendari
 
 
Day Air attack on TF, near Kendari at 33,71
 
Japanese aircraft
A6M2 Zero x 6
G4M1 Betty x 9
Ki-49 Helen x 41

Allied aircraft
P-40E Warhawk x 10

Japanese aircraft losses
G4M1 Betty: 4 damaged
Ki-49 Helen: 2 damaged

Allied aircraft losses
P-40E Warhawk: 1 destroyed

Allied Ships
DD Van Nes, Bomb hits 2,  on fire
CL Java, Bomb hits 13,  on fire,  heavy damage
CL Sumatra, Bomb hits 4, Torpedo hits 1,  on fire,  heavy damage
CL De Ruyter, Bomb hits 3,  on fire
DD Kortenaer
CL Tromp,  on fire,  heavy damage

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Day Air attack on TF, near Kendari at 33,71

Japanese aircraft
A6M2 Zero x 32
G4M1 Betty x 12
Ki-49 Helen x 72

Allied aircraft
P-40E Warhawk x 13

Japanese aircraft losses
A6M2 Zero: 3 destroyed
G4M1 Betty: 2 damaged
Ki-49 Helen: 2 damaged

Allied aircraft losses
P-40E Warhawk: 2 destroyed, 1 damaged

Allied Ships
CL De Ruyter
CL Sumatra, Bomb hits 6, on fire
CL Java, Bomb hits 6, on fire, heavy damage
DD Witte de With
CL Tromp, Bomb hits 4, on fire, heavy damage
DD Piet Hein, Bomb hits 1, on fire
DD Van Nes


Good! [:)] Things bring up memories from old the horror movie Childs Play. "Come out where ever you are.. Chuckie want to play" [:D][:D] ...also goes to show that you can run but you cannot hide! [;)]
 
 
Other NEWS
 

Well the production of aircraft is building up nicely. Also pilot training is starting to provide good results!
 
The battle of Vladivostok is about to start and soon there will be 7000 AV knocking on the doors plus quite a few Engineer units.
 
(Here is an screenshot from the current score)

[Nemo121]

Aztez,
 
I was wondering if you could do the following for me:
 
1. Look at your CVEs, CVLs and CVs and list their top speeds ( when fully repaired), current system damage and airplane capacities for me please. I just want to look at your next turn with a better sense of what might be available in 3 months time ( and what will be available between now and then ).
 
2. Can you also give a run-down of how many Zero, Kate and Val Daitai and Chutai you have? This will let us know how big your training infrastructure can be and also how many Zeroes will be available to load onto your CVs, CVLs and CVEs.
 
3. If you've sunk 2 CVs then he should have about 4 left at the moment. I amn't familiar with CHS but a back of the envelope calculation should be able to tell you how many CVs, CVLs and CVEs the US will have available for 1st January 1943... and their capacities ( and the same for the Brits obviously ).
 
Because of this battle you have pretty much lost the ability to interdict his isolation of Rabaul but it'll take him a couple of months to do that and be ready to leapfrog north. By that stage you might just be able to wage a succesful defensive battle.... and that's what you've got to concentrate on. Every time you try to hit back now you will just lose forces and put back the time that you could wage a succesful defensive battle - e.g without these losses there was every possibility of holding the line at Rabaul into 1943. Now you won't be able to.
 
 
Still accept the losses you have to accept, don't throw away any forces you don't have to and identify your next defensible line and begin fortifying it massively and with just a little luck and an unwary Allied player you might be able to cause some serious losses to his 2nd leapfrog from now. ( the one which carries him well north of Rabaul )
 
 
 
In terms of Vladivostok.... Why are you being inefficient in taking the Soviets on head to head in Vladivostok? Wouldn't it be much, much cheaper to just land 2,000 AV at Suchan, march across country behind Vladivostok and force ctangus to either:
1. abandon Vladivostok and give it to you on the cheap in order to save his troops from encirclement and eventual collapse.
2. stick with it and allow you to hold his troops in Vladivostok with a small siege force ( which will use the urban defensive bonus to YOUR advantage for a while ) while the rest of your army chases up the rail lines and drives the rest of the Soviet Army back into the Siberian wastelands where they won't present nearly as much of a problem for the next 2 and a half years.
 
Without cutting the routes for reinforcements to Vladivostok the Soviets can run in extra divisions at will and every extra division they run in ( of 250 points ) will result in a 1,000 adjusted AV bonus to the defenders. You will need to bring in 4 divisions to compensate for every single division he brings in. That's not really a race you can easily win.
 
P.s. In CHS what's the supply situation? Does Vladivostok get free supplies every turn or something crazy like that?

[aztez]

Game date is 11th of September 1942
 
 
DEI
 
 
Macassar
 
 
Day Air attack on Makassar , at 30,70
 
Japanese aircraft
A6M2 Zero x 39
A6M3a Zero x 5
Ki-49 Helen x 135
Ki-48-II Lily x 24
 
Allied aircraft
no flights
 
Japanese aircraft losses
Ki-49 Helen: 1 damaged
Ki-48-II Lily: 1 damaged
 
Allied aircraft losses
B-25C Mitchell: 5 destroyed
Martin 139: 1 destroyed
Brewster 339D: 3 destroyed
 
Airbase hits 4
Airbase supply hits 5
Runway hits 32
 
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Day Air attack on Makassar , at 30,70
 
Japanese aircraft
A6M2 Zero x 35
A6M3a Zero x 6
Ki-49 Helen x 144
Ki-48-II Lily x 25
 
Allied aircraft
no flights
 
Japanese aircraft losses
Ki-49 Helen: 2 damaged
 
Allied aircraft losses
Brewster 339D: 3 destroyed
Martin 139: 4 destroyed
B-25C Mitchell: 4 destroyed
C.XI-W: 1 destroyed
F.K.51: 1 destroyed
 
 
Allied ground losses:
77 casualties reported
Guns lost 1
 
Airbase hits 18
Airbase supply hits 5
Runway hits 114
 
 
Nice! That concludes the business with Macassar!!! Few B25's took off and tried to hit our transports heading into Celebes. Well, they came up empty! [:D][;)]
 
 
Kendari
 
 
Day Air attack on Kendari , at 33,71
 
Japanese aircraft
G4M1 Betty x 43
 
Allied aircraft
P-39D Airacobra x 13
P-40E Warhawk x 5
 
Japanese aircraft losses
G4M1 Betty: 4 destroyed, 3 damaged
 
Allied aircraft losses
P-39D Airacobra: 2 damaged
P-40E Warhawk: 1 destroyed, 3 damaged
 
Airbase supply hits 1
Runway hits 1
 
 
Hmmm. This didn't go as planned! Well, we now have good intel on what is to expect at Celebes. Also there seems to be some surface units lurking at Timor. Either these are fresh ships or those battered cruisers of Dutch fleet.
 
 
South Pacific
 
 
Rabaul
 
 
Day Air attack on Rabaul , at 62,90
 
Japanese aircraft
no flights
 
Allied aircraft
B-17E Fortress x 48
B-24D Liberator x 94
P-38F Lightning x 37
F-4 Lightning x 1
 
Japanese aircraft losses
G4M1 Betty: 30 destroyed
A6M2 Zero: 1 destroyed
 
Allied aircraft losses
B-24D Liberator: 2 damaged
 
Japanese ground losses:
310 casualties reported
Guns lost 3
 
Airbase hits 16
Airbase supply hits 14
Runway hits 123
 
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Day Air attack on Rabaul , at 62,90
 
Japanese aircraft
no flights
 
Allied aircraft
B-17E Fortress x 44
B-24D Liberator x 80
P-38F Lightning x 36
F-4 Lightning x 2
 
Japanese aircraft losses
G4M1 Betty: 4 destroyed
 
Allied aircraft losses
B-17E Fortress: 2 damaged
B-24D Liberator: 3 damaged
 
Japanese ground losses:
129 casualties reported
Guns lost 1
 
Airbase hits 10
Airbase supply hits 5
Runway hits 117
 
 
As expected allies took their revenge. Nothing major here... pilots were saved and these aircraft losses aren't too bad compared to what was achieved!
 
KB is also safe and will replenish and refit for future battles ahead. We will however need to reorganize the whole carrier fleet.
 
 
Russia

Vladivostok
 
 
Ground combat at Vladivostok
 
Japanese Bombardment attack
 
Attacking force 225139 troops, 1279 guns, 3 vehicles, Assault Value = 5809
 
Defending force 155741 troops, 1548 guns, 161 vehicles, Assault Value = 2858
 
 
Allied ground losses:
329 casualties reported
Guns lost 1
 
 
Hmmm. Chuck is actually reinforcing his forces at Vladivostok. This was somewhat unexpected.
 
 
Other NEWS
 
 
Pilot training will intensify soon as we consolidate our positions around the map.
 
Allies continue to bomb Tavoy and Bangkok in SEAC.

[aztez]

Nemo: Good points! I will send the whole turn to look at once I get it from Chuck.

1. I will do that. (I will post an screenshot of our remaining fleet when the next turn arrives) I think we all the fleet carriers ready except for CV Soryu and CV Hiyu.

2. Definately. I will post an screenshot from our air assets for everyone to see. As said the production coming on very nicely thanks to you.

3. I can confirm we sunk 2 US CV's plus an BB. (Those are already on the list of sunken ships) There were 6 carriers in action so US is down to 4. No idea where the British ones are.

I have no idea either when US starts producing CVL's plus CVE's but I would assume in early 1943.

Agreed. I think Rabaul will be invaded BUT we can put up an fight. Once the Rabaul is done I feel it is time get away from Truk.

I had an look on the map and I think the best idea to defend Solomons is where he cannot bring in his LBA's.

There are Wewak, Aitape and Hollandia. (Mutually defending bases)

Palau + Ullithi (Aviation unit was unloaded last turn) area. There are at least 3 good bases for LBA's without too much threat from allied airpower.

Than there is Ponape and Truk ofcourse.

...and Marianas ofcourse.

The transports should hit Kendari next turn one thus begin the final operations in Celebes area.

How do you see this? I mean it is propably waste of time to try and stop him in New Britain? Not that I'am proposing of abandoning Rabaul no.. sizeable garrison there is required so he cannot start pounding Truk!

Agreed. If he leap frogs than KABOOM.. strike him and strike him hard! I have 2 longterm allied games under my bealt and the way to make him suffer is to sink his transports. Without them he has naval assets but NO means of using them effectively. This would stop him cold.

Hmmm. I actually don't think we can land at Suchan. He has 3 units there plus 100% air superiority. Those transports would be toasted before they can unload. I would love to do this but how? We don't have troops ready yet unless we bring them on from South. (I feel it might take too long to do this)

...but we could swing by Vladivostok via land and force him to abandon the base? [;)] Thus trapping those troops at Suchan and in Vladivostok? How about this? It might take a bit more time but this is definately doable.

I have no clue whether Vladivostok actually recieves freebie supplies in CHS!!! [8|]

[aztez]

Game date is 11th of September 1942

DEI


Kendari
 
 
Naval bombardment of Kendari, at 33,71


Allied aircraft
no flights


Allied aircraft losses
Swordfish: 4 destroyed
P-39D Airacobra: 7 destroyed
P-40E Warhawk: 1 destroyed
SBD-3 Dauntless: 6 destroyed
PBY Catalina: 1 destroyed
F4F-4 Wildcat: 2 destroyed
OS2U-3 Kingfisher: 1 destroyed

Japanese Ships
CA Atago
CA Takao


Allied ground losses:
520 casualties reported
Guns lost 8
Vehicles lost 4

Airbase hits 9
Airbase supply hits 4
Runway hits 54


Good. We distrubted the enemy operations at Kendari. Our tranport TF are nearing the target. (See screenshot)
 
A couple AP's plus DD's were hit by enemy LBA's flying out of Timor.
 
 
Macassar
 
 
Day Air attack on Makassar , at 30,70
 
Japanese aircraft
A6M2 Zero x 36
A6M3a Zero x 6
Ki-49 Helen x 132
Ki-48-II Lily x 24

Allied aircraft
no flights

Japanese aircraft losses
Ki-48-II Lily: 1 destroyed, 1 damaged

Allied aircraft losses
Martin 139: 3 destroyed
Brewster 339D: 1 destroyed


Allied ground losses:
95 casualties reported
Guns lost 3

Airbase hits 13
Airbase supply hits 6
Runway hits 97

This base is close down for business!


Other NEWS
 
 
Allied LBA's continue to bomb our bases around the map. Nothing we can do at the moment! [8|]
 
The remaining carriers should soon reach safety. Allthough some are badly damaged these ships will survive to fight another day. Btw, When can Japanese player upgrade Chitose and co to CVL's???

[aztez]

...the industry screen!

[aztez]

...our carrier TF!

[aztez]

...here is a screen from our most experienced fighter squadrons. (Next time bombers are shown)

[okami]

Chitose and Chiyoda are 12/31/42 in Osaka to convert to CVL. Returned to your pool and can be accelerated.