Defending Mother Russia Saper vs Harrybanana (No Saper)

[morvael]

The problem I see in early game is that Cav Div is worthless, so a Cav Corps turns these into a 1.5-2 rifle div equivalent that takes 1 stack space. For late game I see them as cheap Mech Corps, one that needs more ARM but less VEH to refit. Also, one can attach Tank Bns and Sappers to those Corps to make them CV equivalent of 1942 TOEs for Tank Corps, which is a bit slower (doesn't count on defense) - but they cost 5AP to form, not 20. For me - Cav Corps are great.

ORIGINAL: hfarrish

Cav Corps are pretty truck efficient are they not? I certainly thought they had significant advantages vis a vis Tank and Mech Corps on that front.

80 vs 1219

[Seminole]

Quite possibly it is better to take the easy wins and ditto territorial gains and then shift to strength building very soon after the New Year celebration.
If that is the plan from the start, are Cav Corps worth the cost? That is the issue I'd like to discuss.

If you're not going to take advantage of their strengths, are they worth having? [;)]

I like to put them in Shock Armies (to maximize their MPs) and try to create envelopments, hound the Germans across the map, and then break them down for defensive depth, entrechment, and reserve activation in '42.

I think worrying about the strength building of the Red Army in the first winter is misguided (premature). You want to bloody the Wehrmacht's nose, gain some breathing space and get those Guards activations (I think that is the most important goal)

[Peltonx]

ORIGINAL: Harrybanana

ORIGINAL: Pelton

Good stuff Flaviusx, stopping in early February is smart. In my game I basicly stopped Feb 1st other then where I have a few chances for a huge pocket.

I had 6.5 to 6.8 million most of the summer and am going to go on offensive when rivers freeze and should have 7+ million men.

You should have saved layers and layers of forts around Moscow by now. I am kinda surpised poeple dont have 70 miles of level 3 forts by June. Its really not that hard and its the one city you can't afford to lose.

Oka north should be Verdun its not that hard to do.

Oka south simply with draw as needed.

You still have to grind west, but you do have a good OOB to work with.

Just hang on for a while.

I have tried to maintain the forts I had around Moscow prior to Winter; but perhaps you are right that I should start digging in more here. However, despite what I thought earlier I'm not at all sure that Moscow will be Saper's objective come summer. It will be very interesting to see where he does strike.

I know this picture is a little late, but I had the belt before blizzard set-up a few hexes before the Narr river and along Oka. A bunch of brigades on rdy and a few forts mixed in. Once I pushed in blizzard I moeved it west. By summer 42 basicly all stacks of 40+ cv with move forts behind it ect ect.

GHC only moved the line 30 miles late summer then stopped, because of hvy loses.

Now once rivers freeze its my jumping off pt or I can thin things out and attack some plase esle allong front.

[sillyflower]

ORIGINAL: HITMAN202

Your're probably in your mid 50's, presently single, graduate of a small liberal arts college in an eastern state (Penn ??) with a BS in math or science ???? Bald ??? A nickname is often used for reason of a lack of !!!!

Looking at your avatar, is this a desription of yourself too, Hitman?

[Harrybanana]

ORIGINAL: sillyflower

ORIGINAL: HITMAN202

Your're probably in your mid 50's, presently single, graduate of a small liberal arts college in an eastern state (Penn ??) with a BS in math or science ???? Bald ??? A nickname is often used for reason of a lack of !!!!

Looking at your avatar, is this a desription of yourself too, Hitman?

The mid 50's part was right, well done Hitman. But I'm still married (27 years), Canadian, Graduate of the University of Victoria (which is about as West as you can get in North America), BA with a major in Political Science (which really isn't a science at all), and balding (not quite there yet). "Harry" was a nickname given me as a child by my classmates, a derivative of my surname. It became so commonly used that in highschool many people thought it was my real name. The "banana' part, well we all have to keep some secrets.

[Harrybanana]

Turns 31, 32 and 33

have been completed, but nothing that is screenshot worthy has happened. I've continued to advance 1 or 2 hexes a turn. But I will not capture Kursk, Kharkov or Stalino. So far during blizzard I have destroyed a total of about 12 German division equivalents. The German army remains at about 3.2 million men and the Russian at just under 6 million. Now that January is done I am calling off the offensive everywhere except around Orel, which I would still like to capture. It will be interesting to see what happens during the snow turns.

[Harrybanana]

One interesting thing that has occured is that I still have a solitary tank division that has not yet "upgraded" to a tank brigade. I've actually found this division somewhat useful as it is stonger than the tank brigades and, since January, has up to 50 MPs. If I had more of them I think I could actually have given Saper a surprise or two. Not sure why this particular division has been so resistant to converting to a brigade. Part of the reason obviously is that I have never had it on refit. Does anyone know if there is a way to save several tank divisions from upgrading to brigades and, if so, would it be advantageous to do so?

If anyone has the answers I have a few more questions with respect to this tank division:

1. If it sticks around until April 42 can I use it with 2 tank brigades to form a Tank Corps?
2. If it gains Guards status (it is close) and then converts to a tank brigade, will the brigade have guards status?
3. When is converts to a brigade will it retain it's wins and losses?

[Mike29]

I had tank divisions and 1 motorized during Blizzard, they had40+ MP. My first Guards tank brigade is former tank division which take active role during Blizzard. Unfortunately I dont know how increase probability of saving tank divisions from downgrade to brigades.

[Seminole]

Does anyone know if there is a way to save several tank divisions from upgrading to brigades and, if so, would it be advantageous to do so?

No idea what the 'recipe' is to avoid the downgrade to a brigade, but they are definitely advantageous if you have them in the first winter. They won't have some of the cavalry corps' MP advantages (infantry terrain costs, and the cavalry enemy territory cost adjustment), but their potential MP total can more than make up for that if they can blaze through the cavalry corps' footprints in the snow.

[Walloc]

ORIGINAL: Mike29

I had tank divisions and 1 motorized during Blizzard, they had40+ MP. My first Guards tank brigade is former tank division which take active role during Blizzard. Unfortunately I dont know how increase probability of saving tank divisions from downgrade to brigades.

Well, there is no magic to it as far as i know. Apart from keeping them out of combat since there is a roll involved, if routed IIRC.
Its a strait 20% roll each turn for changing OOB, like every other OOB change, with nothing affecting that so a question of pure luck.

Kind regards,

Rasmus

[Schmart]

No magic for keeping Tank Divs. Routing makes them convert quicker, and random die rolls each turn. If anything survives to Dec 41, IIRC they will automatically convert to Brigades in Jan 42 no matter what.

[Harrybanana]

ORIGINAL: Schmart

No magic for keeping Tank Divs. Routing makes them convert quicker, and random die rolls each turn. If anything survives to Dec 41, IIRC they will automatically convert to Brigades in Jan 42 no matter what.

I thought putting a unit on refit made it more likely to upgrade. In any event it is February 42 and I still have one tank division, so they obviously don't all automatically convert to tank brigades in January 42.

[HITMAN202]

I'm getting to be a big fan of yours. What a witty comment on my surmises !!!! What about Sillyflower's ???? Well I've started a game with him and one of his compatriots and I'm afraid to reveal too much about me in order to keep a psychological advantage !!!! But seeing his skill with the Soviets in AAR's and reviewing his comments on active games, I'm in big trouble.

My avatar ??? I do bathe.

[sillyflower]

The real Sillyflower is my wife. the avatar is not her but she used to by the legs of pretty polly tights in her modelling days.

Belphegor is a compatriot of harrybanana not me. He is also the sole member of the folliculely challenged community in our game

[sillyflower]

ORIGINAL: HITMAN202

What about Sillyflower's ???? Well I've started a game with him and one of his compatriots and I'm afraid to reveal too much about me in order to keep a psychological advantage !!!!

No chance of such advantage. My original degrees were in experimental psychology.

[Harrybanana]

T34 Blizzard in the North Soviet Zone, Snow elsewhere. I'm glad I called off the offensive everywhere but in the North.

[Harrybanana]

Moscow Front

[Harrybanana]

A closer look at the action around Orel. Saper's units are quite thick in this area. It makes the going tough; but by timing my attacks right I can force some of his units to retreat multiple hexes causing additional retreat losses. In some cases I'm actually inflicting more casualties than I take. I could be in some trouble if Saper gets a snow turn here, but there is only a 9% chance per turn of that (or have I got the weather tables wrong again).

[Harrybanana]

Kursk to Kharkov.

FlaviusX mentioned a few post back that I was weak in the centre and he was right. I am trying to remedy that, but this is still a concern for me. I think Saper knows this as he is gathering a few mobile units in this area. If another snow turn happens in the Central Soviet zone in the next few turns he can cause me some damage.

[Harrybanana]

The South