Wild Sheep Chase - obvert (J) vs JocMeister (A)

[obvert]

... a few wayward strikes went for the old BBs and got a number of torpedo hits on them, likely getting a couple of them out of the war for good, if not sunk. Remaining subs will sprint to follow tomorrow ...

[obvert]

... some of these unescorted flight also got to the RN cruisers, a few light paint scratches on the main line Brit BBs, and the US cruisers ...

[obvert]

... most of the 300 Peggy (T) finally got into the action and hit both the SAGs and the troop ships at Moppo ...

[obvert]

... I love hitting the US CLs, as these will be the deciding factor in so many upcoming surface battles if indeed the Allies get a foothold and need to keep up constant support at Moppo. The IJN begins to suffer later in the day though, as the Allied CVs get into the act ...

[obvert]

... the Kongos and a few of the CLs are lost, and one strike gives me the willies, going for the two KB TFs that accidentally end up at Nagasaki!!! [X(] I sent them all to Maizuru but in my excited and wrecked state after watching yesterday's replay I didn't change their home base and they came back right into the battle! Tomorrow they will sprint East and I hope they make it! I'd like to keep this at least a marginal tactical victory even if the strategic situation might still favor the Allies and all of their stuff now sitting in Korea.

This strike was completely wiped out though, and hit nothing at Nagasaki.

I'll go through the CR and post soon ...

[PaxMondo]

Part of the coordination issue might be the cruise speeds ... Nettie cruise is really slow

[Captain Cruft]

Don't try and land near the HI without bombing the crap out of all airfields in range first.

Good stuff BTW [:)]

[LoBaron]

ORIGINAL: obvert
... until I realized less than 20 strike planes were with each of the first few packages that had plenty of firepower to break through. This kind of difficulty in coordinating from 3-5 hexes out with something like 8 air HQs in range and the escorts fully coordinated makes no sense. Having go the better of the two days I can't complain, but it's silly to have several hundred fighters leading 15 DB while later strikes all come in solo, even though they originated in the same base.

Conventional wisdom about coordination just doesn't work in the beta, especially in massive battles like this late in game.

This is a very common error on the forums. The replays are always interpreted as different missions separated by time and space, as well as any influence of CAP position and numbers is dismissed as unimportant. Failure to arrive in a big block is always a coordination error no matter what.

The different replays do
- not neccessarily reflect separate missions
- not neccessarily reflect separate formations
- are influenced by number of planes total
- are influenced by number of CAP and detection of individual strike elements
- in addition is often influenced by fatigue and morale values (which already might vary radically depending on the squadrons involved the previous turn)

In your specific case the replay most probably shows the majority of escorts moving in first and mixing up with CAP, with many of the CAP fighters not even in visual range of the bombers, and some other elements of your bomber formations getting through untouched and unseen, or engaged without protection as the fighters were already commited to battle.

Actually it is a very plausable replay (which must have been FUN to watch...)

[obvert]

[font="Times New Roman"]15 May 1945[/font]
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KOREA IS INVADED!!

[font="Microsoft Sans Serif"]SUBS: [/font] Another sub gets in the action and puts two TT into a CVE. A few more are sunk for each side.

[font="Microsoft Sans Serif"]STRAT BOMBING:[/font] The Allies go for LI at Swatow.

[font="Microsoft Sans Serif"]CHINA: [/font] This theatre takes a backseat for the moment.

[font="Microsoft Sans Serif"]HOME ISLANDS: [/font] Day two brings a lot more LBA air losses, but some more sunk ships as well. I just can't grasp why coordination is so poor when escorts themselves coordinate extremely well. All planes are set from each individual base at the same altitude. All HQ and group leaders have been checked. Everything is flying from level 9 bases with lots of support.

In spite of all of that, a good number of Allied ships are hit, and we should come out ahead for the second day in a row. Each side loses a bunch of DDs, some CLs, and has capital ships hit. The IJN loses three Kongos, and the Allies have a few old BBs roughed up enough to be in sinking condition as well as losing a fair number of CVE and one CV confirmed.

The Allies land on Korea at Moppo, and thankfully I guessed right and have a bunch of divisions beginning to rail into the area starting tomorrow. Some free troops on the HI might move over as well to support. If the Allies have only 200k troops, that is probably around 5k-6k AV of late war stuff. Tough but not unstoppable. A lot of the Manchurian divisions are surprisingly strong in terms of experience, so there could be some holding spots. Terrain around Moppo is a problem though. I might think more of containment, keeping them at one base. We'll see how that goes.

Interesting, but it all seems a bit impatient to me. In a few months the Russians will simply roll this area anyway. Why risk all of this to land where you can walk?

Whatever the answer, it suits me just fine. If the Allies get a few further footholds they will have some good chances to bomb the Home Islands further, but will they dare in the daylight? [;)]

These reports, although extensive, only show about half of the naval combat and LBA missions during the day.
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AFTER ACTION REPORTS FOR May 15, 45
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TF 372 encounters mine field at Fukuoka (103,57)

Japanese Ships
AMc Tama Maru #8

40 mines cleared

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Night Time Surface Combat, near Nakadori-jima at 101,56, Range 2,000 Yards

Japanese Ships
E No.15, Shell hits 8, and is sunk
E No.61, Shell hits 19, and is sunk
E No.66, Shell hits 12, and is sunk

Allied Ships
BB Iowa
BB New Jersey
BB Wisconsin
BB Missouri
DD Allen M. Sumner
DD Mannert Abele
DD Ault
DD Cooper
DD English
DD Haynsworth
DD Wedderburn
DD Swanson

Reduced sighting due to 17% moonlight
Maximum visibility in Partly Cloudy Conditions and 17% moonlight: 2,000 yards Strangely, this is all we see of the Iowas. Good!

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Night Time Surface Combat, near Nakadori-jima at 101,56, Range 8,000 Yards

Japanese Ships
BB Mutsu, Shell hits 14
BB Fuso, Shell hits 4
BB Ise, Shell hits 6
DD Onami, Shell hits 2, on fire
DD Asashimo

Allied Ships
CL Montpelier, Shell hits 1, on fire
CL Birmingham, Shell hits 1
CL Mobile, Shell hits 3
CL Miami, Shell hits 3, on fire
DD William Porter
DD Terry
DD Twining
DD Van Valkenburgh
DD Walker
DD Waller
DD Wickes, Shell hits 1
DD Yarnall

Reduced sighting due to 17% moonlight
Maximum visibility in Partly Cloudy Conditions and 17% moonlight: 7,000 yards
CONTACT: Allies radar detects Japanese task force at 18,000 yards
CONTACT: Allies radar detects Japanese task force at 8,000 yards
BB Ise engages CL Miami at 8,000 yards
BB Mutsu engages DD William Porter at 8,000 yards
Range closes to 6,000 yards
BB Ise engages CL Miami at 6,000 yards
DD Twining engages DD Onami at 6,000 yards
Range increases to 7,000 yards
BB Ise engages CL Miami at 7,000 yards
DD Asashimo engages DD William Porter at 7,000 yards
Range increases to 8,000 yards
BB Mutsu engages CL Miami at 8,000 yards
DD William Porter engages DD Onami at 8,000 yards
Range increases to 10,000 yards
BB Mutsu engages CL Miami at 10,000 yards
Range increases to 13,000 yards
DD Onami engages DD Yarnall at 13,000 yards
Task forces break off...

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Night Time Surface Combat, near Nakadori-jima at 101,56, Range 5,000 Yards

Japanese Ships
CL Kashii, Shell hits 3, on fire
E Shimushu
E Hachijo
E Manju
AMC Saigon Maru, Shell hits 6, heavy fires

Allied Ships
CV Bunker Hill, Shell hits 9, on fire, heavy damage
DD Converse
DD Evans
DD Hale
DD Halford
DD Healy
DD Mertz, Shell hits 1
DD Miller

Reduced sighting due to 17% moonlight
Maximum visibility in Partly Cloudy Conditions and 17% moonlight: 5,000 yards

CONTACT: Japanese lookouts spot Allied task force at 5,000 yards
CONTACT: Allied lookouts spot Japanese task force at 5,000 yards
Kojima, Hideo crosses the 'T'
CL Kashii engages CV Bunker Hill at 5,000 yards

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Night Time Surface Combat, near Fukue-jima at 100,57, Range 5,000 Yards

Japanese Ships
DD Yunagi
DD Sawakaze, Shell hits 24, and is sunk
E Asagao
E Karii, Shell hits 2, on fire

Allied Ships
CL Montpelier, on fire
CL Birmingham, Shell hits 1
CL Mobile, on fire
CL Miami, on fire
DD William Porter
DD Terry
DD Twining
DD Van Valkenburgh
DD Walker
DD Waller
DD Wickes
DD Yarnall

Reduced sighting due to 17% moonlight
Maximum visibility in Partly Cloudy Conditions and 17% moonlight: 5,000 yards

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Night Time Surface Combat, near Nakadori-jima at 101,56, Range 2,000 Yards

Japanese Ships
E No.12
E No.18, Shell hits 1
E No.20
E No.32, Shell hits 10, heavy fires
E No.36, Shell hits 2

Allied Ships
CV Bunker Hill, on fire, heavy damage
DD Converse
DD Evans
DD Hale
DD Halford, Shell hits 2, on fire
DD Healy
DD Mertz, Shell hits 1
DD Miller, Shell hits 1

Reduced sighting due to 17% moonlight
Maximum visibility in Partly Cloudy Conditions and 17% moonlight: 1,000 yards

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Night Time Surface Combat, near Fukue-jima at 100,57, Range 4,000 Yards

Japanese Ships
E No.1, Shell hits 6, and is sunk
E No.19, Shell hits 1
E No.39, Shell hits 17, and is sunk
E No.45, Shell hits 14, and is sunk
E No.49, Shell hits 27, and is sunk

Allied Ships
CL Montpelier, on fire
CL Birmingham
CL Mobile, on fire
CL Miami, on fire
DD William Porter
DD Terry
DD Twining
DD Van Valkenburgh
DD Walker
DD Waller
DD Wickes, on fire
DD Yarnall

Reduced sighting due to 17% moonlight
Maximum visibility in Partly Cloudy Conditions and 17% moonlight: 1,000 yards

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Night Time Surface Combat, near Nakadori-jima at 101,56, Range 14,000 Yards

Japanese Ships
CL Oyodo
CL Agano
DD Arare
DD Kawakaze
DD Suzukaze

Allied Ships
CV Bunker Hill, Shell hits 10, on fire, heavy damage
DD Converse
DD Evans, Shell hits 4, heavy damage
DD Hale
DD Halford, Shell hits 1, on fire
DD Healy
DD Mertz
DD Miller

Reduced sighting due to 17% moonlight
Maximum visibility in Partly Cloudy Conditions and 17% moonlight: 11,000 yards

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Night Time Surface Combat, near Nakadori-jima at 101,56, Range 4,000 Yards

Allied aircraft
no flights

Allied aircraft losses
SB2C-4 Helldiver: 8 destroyed
TBM-3 Avenger: 9 destroyed

Japanese Ships
MTB G-1004
MTB G-1012
MTB G-1013
MTB G-1014
MTB G-1015
MTB G-1016

Allied Ships
CV Bunker Hill, and is sunk
DD Converse
DD Evans, heavy damage
DD Hale
DD Halford, on fire
DD Healy
DD Mertz, on fire
DD Miller

Reduced sighting due to 17% moonlight
Maximum visibility in Partly Cloudy Conditions and 17% moonlight: 4,000 yards

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Night Time Surface Combat, near Nakadori-jima at 101,56, Range 9,000 Yards

Japanese Ships
BB Mutsu, Shell hits 8, on fire
BB Fuso, Shell hits 5
BB Ise, Shell hits 2
DD Onami, Shell hits 7, heavy fires, heavy damage
DD Asashimo, Shell hits 25, and is sunk

Allied Ships
DD Ammen
DD Anthony
DD Charles Badger
DD Bearss
DD Cogswell
DD Erben, Shell hits 2
DD Foote
DD Gregory, Shell hits 1
DD John Hood, Shell hits 1
DD Hopewell, Shell hits 6, heavy fires, heavy damage
DD Howorth
DD Johnston, Shell hits 7, and is sunk

Reduced sighting due to 17% moonlight
Maximum visibility in Partly Cloudy Conditions and 17% moonlight: 11,000 yards

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ASW attack near Oki Shoto at 107,56

Japanese Ships
DD Mutsuki
CS Chitose
CS Nisshin
DD Kisaragi
DD Yakaze
DD Minazuki
DD Satsuki

Allied Ships
SS Grouper, hits 7

SS Grouper launches 2 torpedoes at DD Mutsuki
Grouper bottoming out ....

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Night Time Surface Combat, near Fukue-jima at 100,59, Range 4,000 Yards

Japanese Ships
E Awaji, Shell hits 17, and is sunk
E Shonan, Shell hits 12, and is sunk
E Shinnan, Shell hits 14, and is sunk
E Yaku, Shell hits 20, and is sunk

Allied Ships
DD Bullard
DD Laws
DD Longshaw
DD McKee
DD Newcomb
DD Porterfield
DD Nicholson
DD Gillespie
DD Meade
DD Thompson, Shell hits 1
DD Downes
DD Monssen II
DD De Haven II

Reduced sighting due to 17% moonlight
Maximum visibility in Partly Cloudy Conditions and 17% moonlight: 2,000 yards

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Night Time Surface Combat, near Nakadori-jima at 101,56, Range 8,000 Yards

Allied aircraft
no flights

Allied aircraft losses
TBM-3 Avenger: 12 destroyed
SB2C-4 Helldiver: 17 destroyed

Japanese Ships
CL Yahagi
CL Sakawa
DD Kishinami
DD Okinami
DD Akishimo
DD Maikaze

Allied Ships
CVE Corregidor, Shell hits 7, Torpedo hits 1, and is sunk
CVE Saginaw Bay, Shell hits 7, Torpedo hits 3, heavy fires, heavy damage
CVE Matanikau, Shell hits 9, and is sunk
DD Wren
DE Cloues, Shell hits 3, on fire

Reduced sighting due to 17% moonlight
Maximum visibility in Partly Cloudy Conditions and 17% moonlight: 5,000 yards

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Night Time Surface Combat, near Nakadori-jima at 101,56, Range 2,000 Yards

Japanese Ships
MGB G-1021
MGB G-1022
MTB G-1029

Allied Ships
DD Converse
DD Evans, heavy damage
DD Hale
DD Halford, heavy fires, heavy damage
DD Healy
DD Mertz, Torpedo hits 1, on fire, heavy damage
DD Miller

Reduced sighting due to 17% moonlight
Maximum visibility in Partly Cloudy Conditions and 17% moonlight: 2,000 yards

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Night Time Surface Combat, near Nakadori-jima at 101,56, Range 8,000 Yards

Japanese Ships
CL Yahagi, Shell hits 1
CL Sakawa, Shell hits 1
DD Kishinami, Shell hits 4, on fire
DD Okinami, Shell hits 3, on fire
DD Akishimo
DD Maikaze, Shell hits 2

Allied Ships
DD Braine
DD Dashiell
DD Dyson
DD Haraden
DD Izard, Shell hits 1
DD Knapp
DD Stephen Potter
DD Schroeder
DD Warrington
DD Ingraham II
DD Barton II
DD Beatty II, Shell hits 1

Reduced sighting due to 17% moonlight
Maximum visibility in Partly Cloudy Conditions and 17% moonlight: 8,000 yards

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Night Time Surface Combat, near Nakadori-jima at 101,56, Range 9,000 Yards

Japanese Ships
CL Kashii, Shell hits 1, heavy fires
E Hachijo
E Manju
AMC Saigon Maru, Shell hits 27, heavy fires, heavy damage

Allied Ships
DD Braine
DD Dashiell
DD Dyson
DD Haraden
DD Izard
DD Knapp
DD Stephen Potter
DD Schroeder
DD Warrington
DD Ingraham II, on fire
DD Barton II
DD Beatty II

Reduced sighting due to 17% moonlight
Maximum visibility in Partly Cloudy Conditions and 17% moonlight: 6,000 yards

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Night Time Surface Combat, near Tsushima at 102,56, Range 8,000 Yards

Japanese Ships
BB Yamato
BB Musashi, Shell hits 3
BB Hyuga
CL Kiso, Shell hits 2
DD Sakura, Shell hits 1
DD Tsubaki, Shell hits 1
DD Keyaki, Shell hits 2

Allied Ships
DD Braine, Shell hits 4
DD Dashiell, Shell hits 7, on fire
DD Dyson, Shell hits 1
DD Haraden, Shell hits 2
DD Izard, Shell hits 6, and is sunk
DD Stephen Potter, Shell hits 8, and is sunk
DD Schroeder, Shell hits 1
DD Warrington, Shell hits 9, and is sunk

Reduced sighting due to 17% moonlight
Maximum visibility in Partly Cloudy Conditions and 17% moonlight: 11,000 yards

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Night Time Surface Combat, near Nakadori-jima at 101,56, Range 10,000 Yards

Japanese Ships
BB Yamato
BB Musashi
BB Hyuga
CL Kiso
DD Sakura
DD Tsubaki
DD Keyaki

Allied Ships
DD Converse
DD Evans, Shell hits 5, and is sunk
DD Hale
DD Halford, Shell hits 7, and is sunk
DD Healy
DD Mertz, Shell hits 8, and is sunk
DD Miller, Shell hits 1, heavy fires

Reduced sighting due to 17% moonlight
Maximum visibility in Partly Cloudy Conditions and 17% moonlight: 7,000 yards

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Night Time Surface Combat, near Nagasaki/Sasebo at 102,58, Range 8,000 Yards

Japanese Ships
CL Oyodo
CL Agano, Shell hits 1
DD Arare, Shell hits 1, Torpedo hits 1, and is sunk
DD Kawakaze, Shell hits 2, on fire
DD Suzukaze, Shell hits 1

Allied Ships
DD Bullard
DD Laws
DD Longshaw
DD McKee
DD Newcomb
DD Porterfield
DD Nicholson
DD Gillespie, Shell hits 1
DD Meade
DD Thompson
DD Downes
DD Monssen II
DD De Haven II

Reduced sighting due to 17% moonlight
Maximum visibility in Partly Cloudy Conditions and 17% moonlight: 5,000 yards

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Night Time Surface Combat, near Nagasaki/Sasebo at 102,58, Range 8,000 Yards

Japanese Ships
CL Yahagi, Shell hits 3
CL Sakawa, Shell hits 3
DD Kishinami, Shell hits 18, and is sunk
DD Okinami, Shell hits 33, and is sunk
DD Akishimo, Shell hits 1
DD Maikaze, Shell hits 6, heavy fires

Allied Ships
DD Bullard, Shell hits 1, on fire
DD Laws, Shell hits 1
DD Longshaw
DD McKee, Shell hits 1, on fire
DD Newcomb, Shell hits 1
DD Porterfield
DD Nicholson
DD Gillespie
DD Meade
DD Thompson, Shell hits 7, heavy fires, heavy damage
DD Downes, Shell hits 8, heavy fires, heavy damage
DD Monssen II
DD De Haven II, Shell hits 10, on fire

Reduced sighting due to 17% moonlight
Maximum visibility in Partly Cloudy Conditions and 17% moonlight: 9,000 yards

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TF 90 encounters mine field at Nagasaki/Sasebo (102,58)

Allied Ships
DD Kempenfelt, Mine hits 1, on fire, heavy damage

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Sub attack near Nakadori-jima at 101,56

Japanese Ships
SS I-55

Allied Ships
CVE Shipley Bay, Torpedo hits 2, heavy fires, heavy damage

Fuel storage explosion on CVE Shipley Bay
Ammo storage explosion on CVE Shipley Bay
SS I-55 launches 6 torpedoes at CVE Shipley Bay

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Pre-Invasion action off Moppo (100,54)

404 Coastal gun shots fired in defense.

Allied Ships
DD Kortenaer
DD Patterson
DD Shubrick
APA Oconto

Allied ground losses:
24 casualties reported
Squads: 0 destroyed, 0 disabled
Non Combat: 0 destroyed, 21 disabled
Engineers: 0 destroyed, 1 disabled
Vehicles lost 27 (1 destroyed, 26 disabled)

DD Kortenaer firing at 121st Division
DD Patterson firing at 121st Division
DD Shubrick firing at 121st Division
DD Patterson fired at enemy troops
Defensive Guns fire at approaching troops in landing craft at 4,000 yards
Defensive Guns fire at approaching troops in landing craft at 2,000 yards

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Day Time Surface Combat, near Nagasaki/Sasebo at 102,58, Range 24,000 Yards

Japanese Ships
CL Oyodo, Shell hits 1
CL Agano, Shell hits 4
DD Kawakaze, Shell hits 5, on fire, heavy damage
DD Suzukaze, Shell hits 1

Allied Ships
DD Purdy, Shell hits 8, heavy fires, heavy damage
DD Grenville, Shell hits 2

Maximum visibility in Partly Cloudy Conditions: 28,000 yards
Range closes to 24,000 yards...

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Day Time Surface Combat, near Nagasaki/Sasebo at 101,59, Range 28,000 Yards

Japanese Ships
BB Kirishima
CA Maya, Shell hits 1
CA Nachi, Shell hits 1
CA Mikuma
DD Shimakaze
DD Shigure
DD Yudachi, Shell hits 1, on fire
DD Yamakaze

Allied Ships
DD Braine, Shell hits 8, and is sunk
DD Dashiell, Shell hits 22, and is sunk
DD Dyson, Shell hits 11, Torpedo hits 1, and is sunk
DD Haraden, Shell hits 4, and is sunk
DD Schroeder, Shell hits 4, Torpedo hits 1, and is sunk
DD Beatty II, Shell hits 2, on fire

Maximum visibility in Partly Cloudy Conditions: 28,000 yards
Range closes to 28,000 yards...

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Day Time Surface Combat, near Fukue-jima at 99,58, Range 18,000 Yards

Japanese Ships
DD Tachibana, Shell hits 30, and is sunk
DD Nire, Shell hits 4, and is sunk
DD Kaki, Shell hits 20, and is sunk
DD Nashi, Shell hits 18, and is sunk
DD Sumire, Shell hits 11, and is sunk

Allied Ships
CL Montpelier
CL Birmingham, Shell hits 1
CL Mobile, Shell hits 1
CL Miami
DD William Porter
DD Terry, Shell hits 1
DD Twining, Shell hits 1, Torpedo hits 1, and is sunk
DD Van Valkenburgh
DD Walker
DD Waller
DD Wickes
DD Yarnall

Maximum visibility in Partly Cloudy Conditions: 28,000 yards
Range closes to 24,000 yards...

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Day Time Surface Combat, near Fukue-jima at 99,57, Range 28,000 Yards

Japanese Ships
E Sakito, Shell hits 4, and is sunk

Allied Ships
BB Maryland
BB Colorado
BB Nevada
BB Arizona
BB California
BB Idaho
DD Quadrant
DD Queensborough
DD Quilliam
DD Racehorse
DD Rapid
DD Redoubt
DD Rocket

Maximum visibility in Partly Cloudy Conditions: 28,000 yards
Range closes to 28,000 yards...

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Morning Air attack on TF, near Fukue-jima at 98,59

Weather in hex: Heavy rain

Raid detected at 80 NM, estimated altitude 18,000 feet.
Estimated time to target is 28 minutes

Japanese aircraft
A7M2 Sam x 76
G4M2 Betty x 18[8|]
N1K2-J George x 17
Ki-43-IV Oscar x 36
Ki-45 KAIa Nick x 38
Ki-61-Id Tony x 32
Ki-84a Frank x 66
Ki-84r Frank x 36
Ki-100-I Tony x 72

Allied aircraft
Corsair IV x 52
Hellcat I x 19
Hellcat F.II x 16
F6F-5 Hellcat x 150

Japanese aircraft losses
A7M2 Sam: 1 destroyed
G4M2 Betty: 12 destroyed
Ki-61-Id Tony: 1 destroyed
Ki-84a Frank: 2 destroyed
Ki-100-I Tony: 3 destroyed

Allied aircraft losses
F6F-5 Hellcat: 1 destroyed

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Morning Air attack on TF, near Fukue-jima at 98,59

Weather in hex: Heavy rain

Raid detected at 78 NM, estimated altitude 16,000 feet.
Estimated time to target is 23 minutes

Japanese aircraft
A6M5b Zero x 22
A7M2 Sam x 95
D4Y4 Judy x 4[:-]
J2M5 Jack x 12
Ki-43-IV Oscar x 29
Ki-44-IIc Tojo x 27
Ki-45 KAIa Nick x 24
Ki-83 x 3
Ki-84a Frank x 17
Ki-84r Frank x 24
Ki-100-I Tony x 3

Allied aircraft
Corsair IV x 49
Hellcat I x 18
Hellcat F.II x 15
F6F-5 Hellcat x 144

Japanese aircraft losses
A7M2 Sam: 1 destroyed
D4Y4 Judy: 3 destroyed
Ki-44-IIc Tojo: 2 destroyed
Ki-84r Frank: 1 destroyed

Allied aircraft losses
Hellcat I: 1 destroyed
F6F-5 Hellcat: 2 destroyed

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Morning Air attack on TF, near Fukue-jima at 98,59

Weather in hex: Heavy rain

Raid detected at 79 NM, estimated altitude 13,000 feet.
Estimated time to target is 26 minutes

Japanese aircraft
A6M5 Zero x 24
A7M2 Sam x 20
B6N2a Jill x 6 Not even a whole group??? [8|]
J2M5 Jack x 8
Ki-84r Frank x 99

Allied aircraft
Corsair IV x 46
Hellcat I x 16
Hellcat F.II x 15
F6F-5 Hellcat x 129

Japanese aircraft losses
A6M5 Zero: 2 destroyed
B6N2a Jill: 4 destroyed
Ki-84r Frank: 2 destroyed

Allied aircraft losses
Corsair IV: 1 destroyed
Hellcat I: 1 destroyed
F6F-5 Hellcat: 3 destroyed

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Morning Air attack on TF, near Fukue-jima at 98,59

Weather in hex: Heavy rain

Raid detected at 79 NM, estimated altitude 13,000 feet.
Estimated time to target is 20 minutes

Japanese aircraft
A6M5 Zero x 18
A6M5b Zero x 18
A7M2 Sam x 69
D4Y1 Judy x 26
J2M3 Jack x 3
N1K2-J George x 3
Ki-84r Frank x 12

Allied aircraft
Corsair IV x 41
Hellcat I x 14
Hellcat F.II x 13
F6F-5 Hellcat x 106

Japanese aircraft losses
A6M5 Zero: 1 destroyed
A7M2 Sam: 1 destroyed
D4Y1 Judy: 13 destroyed, 1 damaged
D4Y1 Judy: 1 destroyed by flak
N1K2-J George: 1 destroyed

Allied aircraft losses
Corsair IV: 1 destroyed
Hellcat F.II: 1 destroyed
F6F-5 Hellcat: 1 destroyed

Allied Ships
CVE Kadashan Bay

Aircraft Attacking:
3 x D4Y1 Judy releasing from 1000'
Naval Attack: 1 x 500 kg GP Bomb

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Morning Air attack on TF, near Moppo at 99,54

Weather in hex: Clear sky

Raid detected at 118 NM, estimated altitude 15,000 feet.
Estimated time to target is 30 minutes

Japanese aircraft
A7M2 Sam x 24
B7A2 Grace x 13
D4Y1 Judy x 26
Ki-102b Randy x 13

Allied aircraft
Corsair II x 14
Corsair IV x 14
Seafire L.III x 4
F4U-1A Corsair x 18
F4U-1D Corsair x 241
F6F-5 Hellcat x 89

Japanese aircraft losses
A7M2 Sam: 1 destroyed
B7A2 Grace: 8 destroyed
D4Y1 Judy: 16 destroyed
Ki-102b Randy: 3 destroyed

No Allied losses

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Morning Air attack on TF, near Fukue-jima at 99,58

Weather in hex: Overcast

Raid detected at 60 NM, estimated altitude 10,000 feet.
Estimated time to target is 20 minutes

Japanese aircraft
B6N2a Jill x 20

Japanese aircraft losses
B6N2a Jill: 2 destroyed, 11 damaged
B6N2a Jill: 1 destroyed by flak

Allied Ships
CL Mobile
CL Montpelier, Torpedo hits 3, heavy damage
DD Waller
DD Wickes

Aircraft Attacking:
20 x B6N2a Jill launching torpedoes at 200 feet
Naval Attack: 1 x 18in Type 91 Torpedo

Carrier support unable to supply air cover..
Banzai! - Kanzaki T. in a B6N2a Jill is willing to die for the Emperor

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Morning Air attack on TF, near Moppo at 100,54

Weather in hex: Moderate rain

Raid detected at 80 NM, estimated altitude 16,000 feet.
Estimated time to target is 24 minutes

Japanese aircraft
N1K2-J George x 27
P1Y2 Frances x 18

Allied aircraft
no flights

Japanese aircraft losses
P1Y2 Frances: 2 damaged
P1Y2 Frances: 1 destroyed by flak

Allied aircraft losses
TBM-3 Avenger: 14 destroyed

Allied Ships
CVE Windham Bay
CVE Takanis Bay, Torpedo hits 3, and is sunk
CVE Thetis Bay
CVE Makassar Strait, Torpedo hits 2, on fire, heavy damage

Aircraft Attacking:
18 x P1Y2 Frances launching torpedoes at 200 feet
Naval Attack: 1 x 18in Type 91 Torpedo

Carrier support unable to supply air cover..

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Morning Air attack on TF, near Moppo at 100,54

Weather in hex: Moderate rain

Raid detected at 92 NM, estimated altitude 18,000 feet.
Estimated time to target is 27 minutes

Japanese aircraft
A7M2 Sam x 23
N1K2-J George x 18
P1Y2 Frances x 18
Ki-100-I Tony x 5

Japanese aircraft losses
P1Y2 Frances: 1 destroyed by flak

Allied Ships
CVE Windham Bay, Torpedo hits 2, on fire, heavy damage
CVE Thetis Bay

Aircraft Attacking:
18 x P1Y2 Frances launching torpedoes at 200 feet
Naval Attack: 1 x 18in Type 91 Torpedo

Carrier support unable to supply air cover..

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Morning Air attack on TF, near Moppo at 100,54

Weather in hex: Moderate rain

Raid detected at 113 NM, estimated altitude 12,000 feet.
Estimated time to target is 37 minutes

Japanese aircraft
A6M5b Zero x 2
B6N2a Jill x 27
B7A2 Grace x 13

Allied aircraft
no flights

Japanese aircraft losses
B7A2 Grace: 2 damaged

Allied aircraft losses
TBM-3 Avenger: 8 destroyed

Allied Ships
CVE Windham Bay, Bomb hits 2, and is sunk
DD Kennison
CVE Thetis Bay, on fire, heavy damage
CVE Makassar Strait, Bomb hits 1, and is sunk
AKA Southampton, Bomb hits 1, on fire
DE Spangler
DE Paul G. Baker, Bomb hits 1, on fire, heavy damage
DD Petard
LSI(L) Empire Pride

Aircraft Attacking:
27 x B6N2a Jill bombing from 10000 feet
Naval Attack: 2 x 250 kg SAP Bomb
9 x B7A2 Grace releasing from 1000'
Naval Attack: 2 x 250 kg SAP Bomb
4 x B7A2 Grace releasing from 2000'
Naval Attack: 2 x 250 kg SAP Bomb

Carrier support unable to supply air cover..
Heavy smoke from fires obscuring CVE Windham Bay
Heavy smoke from fires obscuring CVE Thetis Bay
Heavy smoke from fires obscuring DE Paul G. Baker
Heavy smoke from fires obscuring CVE Makassar Strait
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Morning Air attack on TF, near Moppo at 100,54

Weather in hex: Moderate rain

Raid detected at 160 NM, estimated altitude 17,000 feet.
Estimated time to target is 48 minutes

Japanese aircraft
A7M2 Sam x 16
P1Y2 Frances x 18
Ki-45 KAIa Nick x 24
Ki-100-I Tony x 3

Japanese aircraft losses
P1Y2 Frances: 4 damaged

Allied Ships
CVE Thetis Bay, Torpedo hits 1, on fire, heavy damage

Aircraft Attacking:
18 x P1Y2 Frances launching torpedoes at 200 feet
Naval Attack: 1 x 18in Type 91 Torpedo

Carrier support unable to supply air cover..

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Morning Air attack on TF, near Moppo at 99,54

Weather in hex: Clear sky

Raid detected at 117 NM, estimated altitude 1,000 feet.
Estimated time to target is 34 minutes

Japanese aircraft
P1Y2 Frances x 12
Ki-43-IIIa Oscar x 24

Allied aircraft
Corsair II x 14
Corsair IV x 14
Seafire L.III x 4
F4U-1A Corsair x 18
F4U-1D Corsair x 240
F6F-5 Hellcat x 87

Japanese aircraft losses
P1Y2 Frances: 7 destroyed
Ki-43-IIIa Oscar: 13 destroyed

No Allied losses

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Morning Air attack on TF, near Moppo at 100,54

Weather in hex: Moderate rain

Raid detected at 131 NM, estimated altitude 19,000 feet.
Estimated time to target is 56 minutes

Japanese aircraft
B5N1 Kate x 36
J2M5 Jack x 25
Ki-100-I Tony x 2

Japanese aircraft losses
B5N1 Kate: 1 destroyed, 6 damaged
B5N1 Kate: 2 destroyed by flak

Allied Ships
AKA Chara, Torpedo hits 2, on fire, heavy damage
APA Elmore
APA Burleigh
APA Doyen, Torpedo hits 3, and is sunk
APA Custer
AKA Tyrell
APA La Salle, Torpedo hits 2, on fire, heavy damage
APA James O'Hara
APA Ormsby, Torpedo hits 1, heavy damage

Aircraft Attacking:
35 x B5N1 Kate launching torpedoes at 200 feet
Naval Attack: 1 x 18in Type 91 Torpedo

Carrier support unable to supply air cover..
Banzai! - Sagara L. in a B5N1 Kate is willing to die for the Emperor
Massive explosion on APA Ormsby

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Morning Air attack on TF, near Moppo at 100,54

Weather in hex: Moderate rain

Raid detected at 117 NM, estimated altitude 18,000 feet.
Estimated time to target is 34 minutes

Japanese aircraft
A7M2 Sam x 6
P1Y2 Frances x 18
Ki-45 KAIa Nick x 9
Ki-100-I Tony x 36

Japanese aircraft losses
P1Y2 Frances: 2 destroyed, 5 damaged
P1Y2 Frances: 1 destroyed by flak

Allied Ships
DD Stuart
APA Sarasota, Kamikaze hits 1
DD Worden
AKA Hydrus, Torpedo hits 1, heavy damage
APA Griggs, Torpedo hits 1

Aircraft Attacking:
18 x P1Y2 Frances launching torpedoes at 200 feet
Naval Attack: 1 x 18in Type 91 Torpedo

Carrier support unable to supply air cover..
Matsuba C. gives his life for the Emperor by ramming APA Sarasota
Banzai! - Nagaishi D. in a P1Y2 Frances is willing to die for the Emperor

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Morning Air attack on TF, near Moppo at 100,54

Weather in hex: Moderate rain

Raid detected at 94 NM, estimated altitude 13,000 feet.
Estimated time to target is 28 minutes

Japanese aircraft
A7M2 Sam x 12
B6N2a Jill x 21
D4Y4 Judy x 12
Ki-100-I Tony x 3

Allied aircraft
no flights

Japanese aircraft losses
B6N2a Jill: 1 damaged
D4Y4 Judy: 3 damaged
D4Y4 Judy: 1 destroyed by flak

Allied aircraft losses
TBM-3 Avenger: 11 destroyed

Allied Ships
APA Joseph T. Dickman, Bomb hits 1, on fire
CVE Roi, Torpedo hits 2, and is sunk
APA George Clymer, Bomb hits 2, on fire, heavy damage
APA Harris, Bomb hits 2, heavy fires, heavy damage
APA Drew

Aircraft Attacking:
4 x D4Y4 Judy releasing from 1000'
Naval Attack: 1 x 800 kg AP Bomb
21 x B6N2a Jill launching torpedoes at 200 feet

Carrier support unable to supply air cover..
Ammo storage explosion on CVE Roi
Heavy smoke from fires obscuring APA Harris

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Morning Air attack on TF, near Koshiki-jima Retto at 98,60

Weather in hex: Heavy rain

Raid detected at 40 NM, estimated altitude 5,000 feet.
Estimated time to target is 17 minutes

Japanese aircraft
B5N2 Kate x 6
E13A1b Jake x 5

Japanese aircraft losses
B5N2 Kate: 2 destroyed
B5N2 Kate: 1 destroyed by flak
E13A1b Jake: 1 destroyed
E13A1b Jake: 2 destroyed by flak

Allied Ships
BB Nevada, Bomb hits 1
CA Quincy II
BB Colorado, Bomb hits 1
CA Pittsburgh

Aircraft Attacking:
6 x B5N2 Kate bombing from 1000 feet
Naval Attack: 2 x 250 kg SAP Bomb
4 x E13A1b Jake bombing from 1000 feet
Naval Attack: 4 x 60 kg GP Bomb

Carrier support unable to supply air cover..

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Morning Air attack on TF, near Koshiki-jima Retto at 98,60

Weather in hex: Heavy rain

Raid detected at 120 NM, estimated altitude 16,000 feet.
Estimated time to target is 40 minutes

Japanese aircraft
B6N2 Jill x 5
B6N2a Jill x 30
Ki-84r Frank x 36
Ki-100-I Tony x 25

Japanese aircraft losses
B6N2 Jill: 1 damaged
B6N2 Jill: 1 destroyed by flak
B6N2a Jill: 5 destroyed, 6 damaged
B6N2a Jill: 4 destroyed by flak

Allied Ships
BB Nevada, Torpedo hits 2
CA Astoria
BB Idaho, Torpedo hits 1
BB Maryland, Torpedo hits 2, Kamikaze hits 1, on fire
BB Arizona, Torpedo hits 1

Aircraft Attacking:
24 x B6N2a Jill launching torpedoes at 200 feet
Naval Attack: 1 x 18in Type 91 Torpedo
5 x B6N2 Jill bombing from 15000 feet
Naval Attack: 2 x 250 kg SAP Bomb

Carrier support unable to supply air cover..
Banzai! - Maki A. in a B6N2a Jill is willing to die for the Emperor
Banzai! - Doigawa S. in a B6N2a Jill is willing to die for the Emperor

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Morning Air attack on TF, near Koshiki-jima Retto at 98,60

Weather in hex: Heavy rain

Raid detected at 119 NM, estimated altitude 10,000 feet.
Estimated time to target is 32 minutes

Japanese aircraft
A7M2 Sam x 13
B7A2 Grace x 22

Japanese aircraft losses
B7A2 Grace: 7 destroyed
B7A2 Grace: 6 destroyed by flak

Allied Ships
BB Valiant
BB King George V, Kamikaze hits 1
BB Queen Elizabeth, Kamikaze hits 1

Aircraft Attacking:
14 x B7A2 Grace releasing from 10000'
Naval Attack: 2 x 250 kg SAP Bomb
4 x B7A2 Grace releasing from 1000'
Naval Attack: 2 x 250 kg SAP Bomb

Carrier support unable to supply air cover..
Banzai! - Hirusawa T. in a B7A2 Grace is willing to die for the Emperor
Masuyama C. gives his life for the Emperor by ramming BB King George V
Banzai! - Mikami G. in a B7A2 Grace is willing to die for the Emperor
Doikawa T. gives his life for the Emperor by ramming BB Queen Elizabeth

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Morning Air attack on TF, near Koshiki-jima Retto at 98,60

Weather in hex: Heavy rain

Raid detected at 120 NM, estimated altitude 15,000 feet.
Estimated time to target is 40 minutes

Japanese aircraft
B6N2a Jill x 22

Japanese aircraft losses
B6N2a Jill: 1 destroyed, 2 damaged
B6N2a Jill: 1 destroyed by flak

Allied Ships
CA Suffolk, Torpedo hits 1
CA London
CA Dorsetshire, Torpedo hits 1
CA Cornwall, Torpedo hits 1

Aircraft Attacking:
21 x B6N2a Jill launching torpedoes at 200 feet
Naval Attack: 1 x 18in Type 91 Torpedo

Carrier support unable to supply air cover..
Takagi C. gives his life for the Emperor by ramming CA Cornwall


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Morning Air attack on TF, near Koshiki-jima Retto at 98,60

Weather in hex: Heavy rain

Raid detected at 108 NM, estimated altitude 12,000 feet.
Estimated time to target is 29 minutes

Japanese aircraft
Ki-67-Ia Peggy x 20

Japanese aircraft losses
Ki-67-Ia Peggy: 11 destroyed
Ki-67-Ia Peggy: 1 destroyed by flak

Allied Ships
CA Chicago
CA Chester, Kamikaze hits 2, on fire, heavy damage
CL Springfield, Kamikaze hits 1
DD Leutze
DD LaVallette, Kamikaze hits 1

Aircraft Attacking:
20 x Ki-67-Ia Peggy flying as kamikaze
Kamikaze: 3 x 250 kg GP Bomb

Carrier support unable to supply air cover..

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Morning Air attack on TF, near Moppo at 100,54

Weather in hex: Moderate rain

Raid detected at 93 NM, estimated altitude 18,000 feet.
Estimated time to target is 25 minutes

Japanese aircraft
A7M2 Sam x 4
Ki-45 KAIa Nick x 12
Ki-67-Ia (T) Peggy x 35
Ki-84r Frank x 63
Ki-100-I Tony x 3

Japanese aircraft losses
Ki-67-Ia (T) Peggy: 5 damaged

Allied Ships
DD Carmick
APA Mellette, heavy damage
AK Manderson Victory, Torpedo hits 2, on fire, heavy damage
APA Telfair, Torpedo hits 2, and is sunk
APA Marathon
AK Boulder Victory
APA Warren, Torpedo hits 1, on fire, heavy damage
AK Provo Victory
APA La Porte
SC-640

Aircraft Attacking:
13 x Ki-67-Ia (T) Peggy launching torpedoes at 200 feet
Naval Attack: 1 x 18in Type 91 Torpedo
9 x Ki-67-Ia (T) Peggy launching torpedoes at 200 feet
Naval Attack: 1 x 18in Type 91 Torpedo
13 x Ki-67-Ia (T) Peggy launching torpedoes at 200 feet
Naval Attack: 1 x 18in Type 91 Torpedo

Carrier support unable to supply air cover..

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Morning Air attack on TF, near Koshiki-jima Retto at 98,60

Weather in hex: Heavy rain

Raid detected at 120 NM, estimated altitude 18,000 feet.
Estimated time to target is 33 minutes

Japanese aircraft
Ki-67-Ia (T) Peggy x 13
Ki-84r Frank x 36

Japanese aircraft losses
Ki-67-Ia (T) Peggy: 3 damaged

Allied Ships
CL Nashville
CL Honolulu, Torpedo hits 1
CL St. Louis, Torpedo hits 1

Aircraft Attacking:
13 x Ki-67-Ia (T) Peggy launching torpedoes at 200 feet
Naval Attack: 1 x 18in Type 91 Torpedo

Carrier support unable to supply air cover..

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Morning Air attack on TF, near Koshiki-jima Retto at 98,60

Weather in hex: Heavy rain

Raid detected at 116 NM, estimated altitude 13,000 feet.
Estimated time to target is 32 minutes

Japanese aircraft
Ki-67-Ib Peggy x 20

Japanese aircraft losses
Ki-67-Ib Peggy: 10 destroyed
Ki-67-Ib Peggy: 1 destroyed by flak

Allied Ships
DD Murray, Kamikaze hits 1
DD Morrison, Kamikaze hits 1
DD Boyd
DD Smalley
DD Black
DD Callaghan
DD Owen
DD Rooks
DD Saufley
DD John Rodgers

Aircraft Attacking:
19 x Ki-67-Ib Peggy flying as kamikaze
Kamikaze: 3 x 250 kg GP Bomb

Carrier support unable to supply air cover..

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Morning Air attack on TF, near Moppo at 100,54

Weather in hex: Moderate rain

Raid detected at 149 NM, estimated altitude 20,000 feet.
Estimated time to target is 41 minutes

Japanese aircraft
Ki-67-Ia (T) Peggy x 27
Ki-100-I Tony x 5

Japanese aircraft losses
Ki-67-Ia (T) Peggy: 1 damaged

Allied Ships
xAP Neptuna, Torpedo hits 2, and is sunk
DD Miller
DD Hale
xAP Etolin
DD Healy
xAK Kina II

Aircraft Attacking:
18 x Ki-67-Ia (T) Peggy launching torpedoes at 200 feet
Naval Attack: 1 x 18in Type 91 Torpedo
9 x Ki-67-Ia (T) Peggy launching torpedoes at 200 feet
Naval Attack: 1 x 18in Type 91 Torpedo

Carrier support unable to supply air cover..

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Morning Air attack on TF, near Nagasaki/Sasebo at 102,58

Weather in hex: Light rain

Raid detected at 53 NM, estimated altitude 16,000 feet.
Estimated time to target is 15 minutes

Japanese aircraft
A7M2 Sam x 21
B7A2 Grace x 6
D4Y4 Judy x 6
J2M5 Jack x 9
Ki-83 x 9
Ki-84r Frank x 31

Japanese aircraft losses
B7A2 Grace: 1 damaged
D4Y4 Judy: 1 damaged

Allied Ships
DD Grenville, Bomb hits 2, heavy fires, heavy damage

Aircraft Attacking:
1 x D4Y4 Judy releasing from 3000' *
Naval Attack: 1 x 500 kg SAP Bomb

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Morning Air attack on TF, near Fukue-jima at 99,57

Weather in hex: Heavy cloud

Raid detected at 80 NM, estimated altitude 12,000 feet.
Estimated time to target is 34 minutes

Japanese aircraft
Ki-100-I Tony x 2

Allied aircraft
F6F-5 Hellcat x 39
SB2C-4 Helldiver x 28
TBM-3 Avenger x 17

Japanese aircraft losses
Ki-100-I Tony: 1 destroyed

Allied aircraft losses
SB2C-4 Helldiver: 10 damaged
SB2C-4 Helldiver: 1 destroyed by flak
TBM-3 Avenger: 3 damaged

Japanese Ships
BB Haruna, Bomb hits 3, Torpedo hits 1, on fire
BB Hiei, Torpedo hits 5, and is sunk
BB Kongo, Bomb hits 3

Aircraft Attacking:
13 x SB2C-4 Helldiver releasing from 3000'
Naval Attack: 1 x 1000 lb SAP Bomb

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Morning Air attack on TF, near Fukue-jima at 100,57

Weather in hex: Light rain

Raid detected at 74 NM, estimated altitude 11,000 feet.
Estimated time to target is 32 minutes

Japanese aircraft
Ki-100-I Tony x 3

Allied aircraft
SB2C-4 Helldiver x 29

No Japanese losses

Allied aircraft losses
SB2C-4 Helldiver: 1 destroyed, 5 damaged

Japanese Ships
DD Enoki, Bomb hits 2, heavy fires, heavy damage
DD Sugi, Bomb hits 3, and is sunk
DD Hagi
DD Kaede, Bomb hits 2, heavy fires, heavy damage

Aircraft Attacking:
14 x SB2C-4 Helldiver releasing from 4000'
Naval Attack: 1 x 1000 lb SAP Bomb

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Morning Air attack on TF, near Nakadori-jima at 101,57

Weather in hex: Severe storms

Raid detected at 80 NM, estimated altitude 13,000 feet.
Estimated time to target is 34 minutes

Allied aircraft
F6F-5 Hellcat x 14
SB2C-4 Helldiver x 58
TBM-3 Avenger x 17

Allied aircraft losses
SB2C-4 Helldiver: 5 damaged
SB2C-4 Helldiver: 1 destroyed by flak

Japanese Ships
CL Oyodo
CL Agano, Torpedo hits 1, heavy damage
DD Oite, Bomb hits 1, and is sunk
DD Matsukaze
DD Hayate, Bomb hits 1, on fire

Aircraft Attacking:
16 x SB2C-4 Helldiver releasing from 2000'
Naval Attack: 1 x 1000 lb SAP Bomb

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Morning Air attack on TF, near Fukue-jima at 100,57

Weather in hex: Light rain

Raid detected at 41 NM, estimated altitude 11,000 feet.
Estimated time to target is 19 minutes

Japanese aircraft
Ki-100-I Tony x 2

Allied aircraft
TBM-3 Avenger x 16

No Japanese losses

Allied aircraft losses
TBM-3 Avenger: 1 destroyed, 3 damaged

Japanese Ships
DD Hagi, Torpedo hits 1, on fire, heavy damage
DD Kaya

Aircraft Attacking:
15 x TBM-3 Avenger launching torpedoes at 200 feet
Naval Attack: 1 x 22in Mk 13 Torpedo

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Afternoon Air attack on TF, near Fukue-jima at 99,59

Weather in hex: Light cloud

Raid detected at 77 NM, estimated altitude 15,000 feet.
Estimated time to target is 22 minutes

Japanese aircraft
A6M5 Zero x 50
A6M5b Zero x 15
A7M2 Sam x 189
D4Y4 Judy x 2 [8|]
J2M3 Jack x 3
J2M5 Jack x 3
N1K2-J George x 3
Ki-43-IV Oscar x 2
Ki-44-IIc Tojo x 25
Ki-45 KAIa Nick x 23
Ki-84a Frank x 41
Ki-84r Frank x 24
Ki-102b Randy x 6

Allied aircraft
Corsair IV x 37
Hellcat I x 12
Hellcat F.II x 12
F6F-5 Hellcat x 113

Japanese aircraft losses
A6M5 Zero: 2 destroyed
A7M2 Sam: 3 destroyed
D4Y4 Judy: 1 destroyed
Ki-45 KAIa Nick: 1 destroyed
Ki-84r Frank: 1 destroyed

Allied aircraft losses
Corsair IV: 1 destroyed
F6F-5 Hellcat: 1 destroyed

Allied Ships
CVE Ommaney Bay

Aircraft Attacking:
2 x D4Y4 Judy flying as kamikaze
Kamikaze: 1 x 800 kg GP Bomb

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Afternoon Air attack on TF, near Fukue-jima at 99,59

Weather in hex: Light cloud

Raid detected at 80 NM, estimated altitude 6,000 feet.
Estimated time to target is 24 minutes

Japanese aircraft
P1Y2 Frances x 3
Ki-43-IV Oscar x 25
Ki-45 KAIa Nick x 49
Ki-84r Frank x 24

Allied aircraft
Corsair IV x 17
Hellcat I x 5
Hellcat F.II x 8
F6F-5 Hellcat x 65

Japanese aircraft losses
P1Y2 Frances: 2 destroyed
Ki-43-IV Oscar: 5 destroyed
Ki-45 KAIa Nick: 5 destroyed
Ki-84r Frank: 3 destroyed

Allied aircraft losses
Hellcat F.II: 1 destroyed

Allied Ships
CVE Stalker, Kamikaze hits 1

Aircraft Attacking:
3 x P1Y2 Frances flying as kamikaze
Kamikaze: 2 x 250 kg SAP Bomb, 4 x 60 kg GP Bomb

Fuel storage explosion on CVE Stalker

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Afternoon Air attack on TF, near Fukue-jima at 99,59

Weather in hex: Light cloud

Raid detected at 79 NM, estimated altitude 15,000 feet.
Estimated time to target is 19 minutes

Japanese aircraft
Ki-43-IV Oscar x 9
Ki-44-IIc Tojo x 27
Ki-84r Frank x 33
Ki-100-I Tony x 3

Allied aircraft
Corsair IV x 4
F6F-5 Hellcat x 15

Japanese aircraft losses
Ki-43-IV Oscar: 1 destroyed
Ki-44-IIc Tojo: 1 destroyed
Ki-84r Frank: 2 destroyed

Allied aircraft losses
Corsair IV: 1 destroyed
F6F-5 Hellcat: 1 destroyed

Allied Ships
CVE Block Island, Kamikaze hits 1

Aircraft Attacking:
1 x Ki-43-IV Oscar flying as kamikaze
Kamikaze: 2 x 250 kg GP Bomb

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Afternoon Air attack on TF, near Fukue-jima at 99,57

Weather in hex: Heavy rain

Raid detected at 80 NM, estimated altitude 12,000 feet.
Estimated time to target is 34 minutes

Japanese aircraft
A7M2 Sam x 9
Ki-100-I Tony x 3

Allied aircraft
F6F-5 Hellcat x 40
SB2C-4 Helldiver x 37
TBM-3 Avenger x 30

No Japanese losses

Allied aircraft losses
F6F-5 Hellcat: 1 destroyed
SB2C-4 Helldiver: 3 destroyed, 13 damaged
TBM-3 Avenger: 1 destroyed, 5 damaged

Japanese Ships
BB Kongo, Bomb hits 9, Torpedo hits 3, on fire, heavy damage
BB Haruna, Bomb hits 1, Torpedo hits 4, and is sunk
DD Wakazuki

Aircraft Attacking:
7 x SB2C-4 Helldiver releasing from 3000'
Naval Attack: 1 x 1000 lb SAP Bomb

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Afternoon Air attack on TF, near Nakadori-jima at 101,57

Weather in hex: Heavy cloud

Raid detected at 80 NM, estimated altitude 11,000 feet.
Estimated time to target is 37 minutes

Japanese aircraft
A7M2 Sam x 3
Ki-100-I Tony x 2

Allied aircraft
F6F-5 Hellcat x 14
SB2C-4 Helldiver x 27
TBM-3 Avenger x 15

Japanese aircraft losses
A7M2 Sam: 1 destroyed

Allied aircraft losses
F6F-5 Hellcat: 1 destroyed
SB2C-4 Helldiver: 1 damaged
TBM-3 Avenger: 1 damaged

Japanese Ships
CL Oyodo
CL Agano, Bomb hits 4, heavy fires, heavy damage
DD Kawakaze, Bomb hits 5, and is sunk
DD Suzukaze

Aircraft Attacking:
15 x TBM-3 Avenger launching torpedoes at 200 feet
Naval Attack: 1 x 22in Mk 13 Torpedo

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Afternoon Air attack on TF, near Nagasaki/Sasebo at 102,58

Weather in hex: Clear sky

Raid detected at 80 NM, estimated altitude 16,000 feet.
Estimated time to target is 34 minutes

Japanese aircraft
A7M2 Sam x 24
J2M5 Jack x 13
Ki-83 x 41
Ki-84r Frank x 72

Allied aircraft
F6F-5 Hellcat x 46
SB2C-4 Helldiver x 52
TBM-3 Avenger x 51

No Japanese losses

Allied aircraft losses
F6F-5 Hellcat: 10 destroyed
SB2C-4 Helldiver: 15 destroyed, 7 damaged
SB2C-4 Helldiver: 2 destroyed by flak
TBM-3 Avenger: 21 destroyed, 7 damaged
TBM-3 Avenger: 1 destroyed by flak

Japanese Ships
CV Aso
CV Akagi
CV Ikoma
CV Hiryu
CLAA Yura

Aircraft Attacking:
2 x SB2C-4 Helldiver releasing from 2000'
Naval Attack: 1 x 1000 lb SAP Bomb
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Losses: Lots of Es lost, but still lots left. They're cheap. I'll have to count up the rest.

Ships Sunk: We'll have to put a list together of possibles and probables. Might take a while! [:)]
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[font="Trebuchet MS"]Between the two days something like 30-40 amphib ships are hit, but still the Allies get 200k+ on the beaches. [/font]
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[obvert]

ORIGINAL: LoBaron

ORIGINAL: obvert
... until I realized less than 20 strike planes were with each of the first few packages that had plenty of firepower to break through. This kind of difficulty in coordinating from 3-5 hexes out with something like 8 air HQs in range and the escorts fully coordinated makes no sense. Having go the better of the two days I can't complain, but it's silly to have several hundred fighters leading 15 DB while later strikes all come in solo, even though they originated in the same base.

Conventional wisdom about coordination just doesn't work in the beta, especially in massive battles like this late in game.

This is a very common error on the forums. The replays are always interpreted as different missions separated by time and space, as well as any influence of CAP position and numbers is dismissed as unimportant. Failure to arrive in a big block is always a coordination error no matter what.

The different replays do
- not neccessarily reflect separate missions
- not neccessarily reflect separate formations
- are influenced by number of planes total
- are influenced by number of CAP and detection of individual strike elements
- in addition is often influenced by fatigue and morale values (which already might vary radically depending on the squadrons involved the previous turn)

In your specific case the replay most probably shows the majority of escorts moving in first and mixing up with CAP, with many of the CAP fighters not even in visual range of the bombers, and some other elements of your bomber formations getting through untouched and unseen, or engaged without protection as the fighters were already commited to battle.

Actually it is a very plausable replay (which must have been FUN to watch...)

I get this part, but I'd have to say in this instance this explanation is not likely. Most of the other bombers simply didn't attack this TF where the fighters escorted small numbers of strike planes. I may be able to piece it together later, but most of the bombers from these bases struck other targets entirely instead of following on as you say into the same stream of strikes at this one target.

The strikes that hit ships ALL went to different targets, sometimes 5-8 hexes from these CVEs that most of the escorts flew into.

The escort penalty also doesn't make a lot of sense here if the 200 escorts are guiding in 15 bombers. Yet they suffer terribly in spite of being some of the best pilots on the map for the Japanese forces.

The Japanese surely wouldn't have been able to do something like this, wouldn't have this many good planes and pilots, etc, so I get that this is some kind of abstraction that actually works for the game I'm in, but the Allies have suffered the same fate multiple times. Is it really likely that 600 Hellcats would escort 25 Helldivers with nothing following as we saw just a few turns back? [;)]

[obvert]

ORIGINAL: PaxMondo

Part of the coordination issue might be the cruise speeds ... Nettie cruise is really slow

The overwhelming majority of the 2E at Hiroshima where this strike came from are either Frances or Peggy, so not so slow. This I think is the only group of slower 2E bombers. Why wouldn't they then be slower than the Sams and Franks here and simply come in with the Oscars?

The fact that the bettys are the ones here flabbergasts me. Also have a look at the number of different models. Lots of different cruise speeds for the fighters and the FB here escorting.

[obvert]

ORIGINAL: Captain Cruft

Don't try and land near the HI without bombing the crap out of all airfields in range first.

Good stuff BTW [:)]

I was surprised there have been no attempts to bomb the airfields from the plethora of bases now in range. Granted, it would be painful, but I'd sure rather lose 200 planes than 50 ships.

[LoBaron]

ORIGINAL: obvert

ORIGINAL: LoBaron

ORIGINAL: obvert
... until I realized less than 20 strike planes were with each of the first few packages that had plenty of firepower to break through. This kind of difficulty in coordinating from 3-5 hexes out with something like 8 air HQs in range and the escorts fully coordinated makes no sense. Having go the better of the two days I can't complain, but it's silly to have several hundred fighters leading 15 DB while later strikes all come in solo, even though they originated in the same base.

Conventional wisdom about coordination just doesn't work in the beta, especially in massive battles like this late in game.

This is a very common error on the forums. The replays are always interpreted as different missions separated by time and space, as well as any influence of CAP position and numbers is dismissed as unimportant. Failure to arrive in a big block is always a coordination error no matter what.

The different replays do
- not neccessarily reflect separate missions
- not neccessarily reflect separate formations
- are influenced by number of planes total
- are influenced by number of CAP and detection of individual strike elements
- in addition is often influenced by fatigue and morale values (which already might vary radically depending on the squadrons involved the previous turn)

In your specific case the replay most probably shows the majority of escorts moving in first and mixing up with CAP, with many of the CAP fighters not even in visual range of the bombers, and some other elements of your bomber formations getting through untouched and unseen, or engaged without protection as the fighters were already commited to battle.

Actually it is a very plausable replay (which must have been FUN to watch...)

I get this part, but I'd have to say in this instance this explanation is not likely. Most of the other bombers simply didn't attack this TF where the fighters escorted small numbers of strike planes. I may be able to piece it together later, but most of the bombers from these bases struck other targets entirely instead of following on as you say into the same stream of strikes at this one target.

The strikes that hit ships ALL went to different targets, sometimes 5-8 hexes from these CVEs that most of the escorts flew into.

The escort penalty also doesn't make a lot of sense here if the 200 escorts are guiding in 15 bombers. Yet they suffer terribly in spite of being some of the best pilots on the map for the Japanese forces.

The Japanese surely wouldn't have been able to do something like this, wouldn't have this many good planes and pilots, etc, so I get that this is some kind of abstraction that actually works for the game I'm in, but the Allies have suffered the same fate multiple times. Is it really likely that 600 Hellcats would escort 25 Helldivers with nothing following as we saw just a few turns back? [;)]

Agree, dificult to piece it together without watchin the replays. Also you are correct that the different loacation of the targets makes the explanation offered improbable.

Still, I would not jump conclusions on your strike/escort distribution being implausable.

I understand the escorts went were most of the CAP was concentrated, and the other targets were attacked nearly unmolested while also lacking CAP. Only where the CAP concentration was highest, the few bombers - decidcing to strike at the most dangerous and well protected targets - did not get through. Is this more or less correct? I would regard that as expected/desireable behaviour within the games´ limitations.

[catwhoorg]

Was a brave effort to stem the tide

Banzai!

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This is a very common error on the forums. The replays are always interpreted as different missions separated by time and space, as well as any influence of CAP position and numbers is dismissed as unimportant. Failure to arrive in a big block is always a coordination error no matter what.

The different replays do
- not neccessarily reflect separate missions
- not neccessarily reflect separate formations
- are influenced by number of planes total
- are influenced by number of CAP and detection of individual strike elements
- in addition is often influenced by fatigue and morale values (which already might vary radically depending on the squadrons involved the previous turn)

In your specific case the replay most probably shows the majority of escorts moving in first and mixing up with CAP, with many of the CAP fighters not even in visual range of the bombers, and some other elements of your bomber formations getting through untouched and unseen, or engaged without protection as the fighters were already commited to battle.

Actually it is a very plausable replay (which must have been FUN to watch...)

I get this part, but I'd have to say in this instance this explanation is not likely. Most of the other bombers simply didn't attack this TF where the fighters escorted small numbers of strike planes. I may be able to piece it together later, but most of the bombers from these bases struck other targets entirely instead of following on as you say into the same stream of strikes at this one target.

The strikes that hit ships ALL went to different targets, sometimes 5-8 hexes from these CVEs that most of the escorts flew into.

The escort penalty also doesn't make a lot of sense here if the 200 escorts are guiding in 15 bombers. Yet they suffer terribly in spite of being some of the best pilots on the map for the Japanese forces.

The Japanese surely wouldn't have been able to do something like this, wouldn't have this many good planes and pilots, etc, so I get that this is some kind of abstraction that actually works for the game I'm in, but the Allies have suffered the same fate multiple times. Is it really likely that 600 Hellcats would escort 25 Helldivers with nothing following as we saw just a few turns back? [;)]

Agree, dificult to piece it together without watchin the replays. Also you are correct that the different loacation of the targets makes the explanation offered improbable.

Still, I would not jump conclusions on your strike/escort distribution being implausable.

I understand the escorts went were most of the CAP was concentrated, and the other targets were attacked nearly unmolested while also lacking CAP. Only where the CAP concentration was highest, the few bombers - decidcing to strike at the most dangerous and well protected targets - did not get through. Is this more or less correct? I would regard that as expected/desireable behaviour within the games´ limitations.

I'll look again but from what I remember there were still bombers flying into CAP without escort, just at targets other than the ones the escorts went for mostly. As I say though it is tough with so much flying to check it all out. One thing I can do is look at groups and see which were decimated! [:D]

I understand based on my original comments how it would look more like a series of strikes that were all heading in the same direction. I'll try to confirm when I dig through it. It's important to see if this really is the game getting a bit overwhelmed with the numbers and units involved, or some other kind of user malfunction, or a little of both.

[Lokasenna]

Very nice day 2, even with the lack of coordination in your LBA. Is there any room for more micromanagement there? Can you set your strikes in layers, with corresponding escorts? That might help give escorts to each strike package, but it also may mean you end up with 1/5 of your forces flying into a CAP wall, 5 times in a row... I think I prefer what you had happen, and I like LoBaron's interpretation.

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ORIGINAL: Lokasenna

Very nice day 2, even with the lack of coordination in your LBA. Is there any room for more micromanagement there? Can you set your strikes in layers, with corresponding escorts? That might help give escorts to each strike package, but it also may mean you end up with 1/5 of your forces flying into a CAP wall, 5 times in a row... I think I prefer what you had happen, and I like LoBaron's interpretation.

This is the issue. Even though with multiple layers I've had most groups come in uncoordinated at more than 3-4 hexes. I tried this from Formosa a while back, with every group having dedicated escorts. Some that were set at one altitude went with planes at another, some went in with no escort, some went with a bunch but no strike planes. All of it.

This time everything is set at either 10k or 15k. Nagasaki got 10k. Hiroshima, Fukuoka and Kagoshima got 15k if I remember correctly. I still had planes from Nagasaki and Kagoshima coming together in the same strike, but the bombers going elsewhere.

If anyone is curious, here is the entire CR attached.

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[font="Times New Roman"]ALLIED SHIPS HIT[/font]
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1 CV confirmed sunk, 4 CV likely sunk

CV Bunker Hill, Bomb hits 4, Torpedo hits 1, heavy fires
CV Bunker Hill, Shell hits 9, on fire, heavy damage
CV Bunker Hill, Shell hits 10, on fire, heavy damage
CV Bunker Hill, and is sunk

CV Viking, Bomb hits 7, Torpedo hits 3, Kamikaze hits 1, heavy fires, heavy damage
Ammo storage explosion on CV Viking

CV Valhalla, Bomb hits 6, Torpedo hits 1, heavy fires, heavy damage
CV Valhalla, Kamikaze hits 1, heavy fires, heavy damage
Ammo storage explosion on CV Valhalla

CV Victorious, Bomb hits 1, heavy fires, heavy damage
CV Victorious, Bomb hits 2, heavy fires, heavy damage
CV Victorious, Bomb hits 2, heavy fires, heavy damage
CV Victorious, Bomb hits 7, heavy fires, heavy damage

CV Franklin, Bomb hits 6, heavy fires, heavy damage
Ammo storage explosion on CV Franklin

CV Indefatigable, Bomb hits 4, heavy fires, heavy damage
CV Indefatigable, heavy fires, heavy damage
CV Indefatigable, heavy fires, heavy damage

CV Randolph, Kamikaze hits 1

CV Midgaard, Bomb hits 1, on fire

CV Illustrious, Bomb hits 3, on fire

CV Shangri-La, Bomb hits 1, Kamikaze hits 1, on fire, heavy damage

CV Yggdrasil, Bomb hits 1, on fire

3 CVL confirmed sunk

CVL Cabot, Bomb hits 3, heavy fires, heavy damage
Fuel storage explosion on CVL Cabot
Fuel storage explosion on CVL Cabot
Ammo storage explosion on CVL Cabot

CVL Independence, Bomb hits 3, heavy fires
Fuel storage explosion on CVL Independence

CVL Langley, Torpedo hits 2, on fire, heavy damage
CVL Langley, Bomb hits 2, and is sunk
Ammo storage explosion on CVL Langley
Ammo storage explosion on CVL Langley


CVL Cowpens, Bomb hits 1, heavy fires
CVL Cowpens, Bomb hits 2, heavy fires
CVL Cowpens, heavy fires

8 CVE confirmed sunk

CVE Roi, Torpedo hits 2, on fire
Fuel storage explosion on CVE Roi
CVE Roi, Torpedo hits 2, and is sunk

CVE Corregidor, Torpedo hits 3, on fire, heavy damage
CVE Corregidor, Shell hits 7, Torpedo hits 1, and is sunk
Massive explosion on CVE Corregidor

CVE Saginaw Bay, Torpedo hits 3, on fire, heavy damage
CVE Saginaw Bay, Shell hits 7, Torpedo hits 3, heavy fires, heavy damage
Fuel storage explosion on CVE Saginaw Bay

CVE Matanikau, Torpedo hits 1, heavy fires, heavy damage
CVE Matanikau, Shell hits 9, and is sunk
Fuel storage explosion on CVE Matanikau


CVE Shipley Bay, Torpedo hits 2, on fire
CVE Shipley Bay, Torpedo hits 2, heavy fires, heavy damage
Ammo storage explosion on CVE Shipley Bay

CVE Makassar Strait, Torpedo hits 2, on fire, heavy damage
CVE Makassar Strait, Bomb hits 1, and is sunk

CVE Takanis Bay, Torpedo hits 3, and is sunk

CVE Windham Bay, Torpedo hits 2, on fire, heavy damage
CVE Windham Bay, Bomb hits 2, and is sunk

CVE Stalker, Kamikaze hits 1

CVE Block Island, Kamikaze hits 1

CVE Thetis Bay, Torpedo hits 1, on fire, heavy damage

CVE Liscome Bay, Kamikaze hits 1

CVE Makin Island, Torpedo hits 1



BB Maryland, Torpedo hits 2, Kamikaze hits 1, on fire

BB Nevada, Bomb hits 1

BB Nevada, Torpedo hits 2

BB Idaho, Torpedo hits 1

BB Colorado, Bomb hits 1

BB Arizona,]Torpedo hits 1

BB King George V, Kamikaze hits 1

BB Queen Elizabeth, Kamikaze hits 1


CA Chester, Kamikaze hits 2, on fire, heavy damage

CA Suffolk, Torpedo hits 1

CA Dorsetshire, Torpedo hits 1

CA Cornwall, Torpedo hits 1

CA Tuscaloosa, Torpedo hits 1


CL Montpelier, Torpedo hits 3, heavy damage

CL Pasadena, Kamikaze hits 2, on fire

CL Heimdal, Kamikaze hits 1

CL Wilkes-Barre, Kamikaze hits 1

CL Phoenix, Bomb hits 4, heavy fires

CL Cleveland, Kamikaze hits 1, on fire

CL Springfield, Kamikaze hits 1

CL Honolulu, Torpedo hits 1

CL St. Louis, Torpedo hits 1


CLAA Oakland, Bomb hits 3, heavy fires, heavy damage

CLAA San Diego, Bomb hits 4, heavy fires, heavy damage


14 confirmed DD sunk

DD Warrington, Shell hits 9, and is sunk

DD Stephen Potter, Shell hits 8, and is sunk

DD Twining, Shell hits 1, Torpedo hits 1, and is sunk

DD Mertz, Torpedo hits 1, on fire, heavy damage
DD Mertz, Shell hits 8, and is sunk

DD Evans,Bomb hits 1, heavy fires
DD Evans, Shell hits 4, heavy damage
DD Evans, Shell hits 5, and is sunk

DD Izard, Shell hits 6, and is sunk

DD Halford, Bomb hits 1
DD Halford, Shell hits 2, on fire
DD Halford, Shell hits 7, and is sunk

DD John Henley, Bomb hits 1, and is sunk
Magazine explodes on DD John Henley

DD Haraden, Shell hits 4, and is sunk

DD Schroeder, Shell hits 4, Torpedo hits 1, and is sunk

DD Dyson, Shell hits 11, Torpedo hits 1, and is sunk

DD Braine, Shell hits 8, and is sunk

DD Dashiell, Shell hits 7, on fire
DD Dashiell, Shell hits 22, and is sunk

DD Johnston, Shell hits 7, and is sunk

DD Hopewell, Shell hits 6, heavy fires, heavy damage

DD Purdy, Shell hits 8, heavy fires, heavy damage

DD Remey, Bomb hits 1, Torpedo hits 1, heavy fires, heavy damage
Massive explosion on DD Remey

DD Kempenfelt, Mine hits 1, on fire, heavy damage

DD Thompson, Shell hits 7, heavy fires, heavy damage

DD Grenville, Bomb hits 2, heavy fires, heavy damage

DD Brownson, Kamikaze hits 1, heavy damage

DD Hammann, Kamikaze hits 1

DD Downes, Shell hits 8, heavy fires, heavy damage

DD De Haven II, Shell hits 10, on fire

DD Luce, Bomb hits 4, heavy fires, heavy damage

DD Albert Grant, Bomb hits 2, on fire

DD LaVallette, Kamikaze hits 1

DD Murray, Kamikaze hits 1

DD Morrison, Kamikaze hits 1

3 transports confirmed sunk


xAP Neptuna, Torpedo hits 2, and is sunk

APA Telfair, Torpedo hits 2, and is sunk

APA Doyen, Torpedo hits 3, and is sunk

APA La Salle, Torpedo hits 2, on fire, heavy damage

AKA Chara, Torpedo hits 2, on fire, heavy damage

AK Manderson Victory, Torpedo hits 2, on fire, heavy damage

APA Renville, Bomb hits 2, Kamikaze hits 1, heavy fires, heavy damage

APA Pickens, Bomb hits 6, heavy fires, heavy damage

APA Marathon, Kamikaze hits 2, on fire

APA Natrona, Kamikaze hits 2

APA Sumter, Bomb hits 5, heavy fires

APA Mellette, Bomb hits 4, heavy fires, heavy damage

APA Menifee, Bomb hits 2, heavy fires, heavy damage

APA George Clymer, Bomb hits 2, on fire, heavy damage

APA Harris, Bomb hits 2, heavy fires, heavy damage

APA Wayne, Bomb hits 2, on fire

xAP Cape Meares, Bomb hits 2, heavy fires

APA Ormsby, Torpedo hits 1, heavy damage
Massive explosion on APA Ormsby[/b]

APA Warren, Torpedo hits 1, on fire, heavy damage

APA Noble, Torpedo hits 1, on fire, heavy damage

APA J. Franklin Bell, Kamikaze hits 1

APA George F. Elliot, Kamikaze hits 1

APA Charles Carroll, Kamikaze hits 1

APA John Penn, Kamikaze hits 1

APA Sarasota, Kamikaze hits 1

AKA Alhena, Kamikaze hits 1

AKA Libra, Kamikaze hits 1

APA Neville, Kamikaze hits 1

APA Barnett, Kamikaze hits 1

APA Oxford, Kamikaze hits 1

APA Harris, Kamikaze hits 1

APA Thomas Jefferson, Kamikaze hits 1, on fire

APA Latimer, Kamikaze hits 1

APA La Porte, Kamikaze hits 1

APA George Clymer, Kamikaze hits 1

APA Griggs, Torpedo hits 1

AKA Hydrus, Torpedo hits 1, heavy damage

AKA Southampton, Bomb hits 1, on fire

APA Laurens, Bomb hits 1, heavy fires

APA Joseph T. Dickman, Bomb hits 1, on fire


DE Osmus, Bomb hits 1, heavy damage

DE Paul G. Baker, Bomb hits 1, on fire, heavy damage

DE Alvin C. Cockrell, Bomb hits 2, on fire

DE Cloues, Shell hits 3, on fire

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[font="Times New Roman"]IJN SHIPS HIT[/font]
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3 BB sunk

BB Haruna, Bomb hits 3, Torpedo hits 1, on fire
BB Haruna, Bomb hits 1, Torpedo hits 4, and is sunk

BB Hiei, Torpedo hits 5, and is sunk

BB Kongo, Bomb hits 9, Torpedo hits 3, on fire, heavy damage

1 CL sunk

CL Agano, Torpedo hits 1, heavy damage
CL Agano, Bomb hits 4, heavy fires, heavy damage


AMC Saigon Maru, Shell hits 27, heavy fires, heavy damage


13 IJN DD sunk

DD Sugi, Bomb hits 3, and is sunk

DD Oite, Bomb hits 1, and is sunk

DD Kawakaze, Bomb hits 5, and is sunk

DD Onami, Shell hits 7, heavy fires, heavy damage

DD Asashimo, Shell hits 25, and is sunk

DD Okinami, Shell hits 33, and is sunk

DD Kishinami, Shell hits 18, and is sunk

DD Arare, Shell hits 1, Torpedo hits 1, and is sunk

DD Tachibana, Shell hits 30, and is sunk

DD Nire, Shell hits 4, and is sunk

DD Kaki, Shell hits 20, and is sunk

DD Nashi, Shell hits 18, and is sunk

DD Sumire, Shell hits 11, and is sunk

DD Kawakaze, Shell hits 5, on fire, heavy damage

DD Kawakaze, Shell hits 2, on fire

DD Maikaze, Shell hits 6, heavy fires

DD Hagi, Torpedo hits 1, on fire, heavy damage

DD Kaede, Bomb hits 2, heavy fires, heavy damage

DD Hayate, Bomb hits 1, on fire

DD Enoki, Bomb hits 2, heavy fires, heavy damage

[GreyJoy]

Great battle Erik!

I know how it feels... LBA coordinates only 1 out of 10 times. The only real coordination comes from the KB

However, even if the allies managed to land where they wished, the losses inflicted are really unaffordable for the allies. At least in RL, they would have already fired the commander in chief and possibly seeked for an armistice... try to imagine how many US sailors are dead in these two days...20,000? possibly more...[X(]

The fact that the allies simply have too much at this stage to really stop them doesn't make this a smaller victory for Japan. This WaS a victory.

I've witnessed, under the official patch against Rader, that it's simply a suicide to get so close to the HI with the DS... no matter how many planes you have on CAP... the strikes will always get through.
As the others have said, Joc should have tried to close as much AFs as possible before trying that...

In the coordination thing, have you taken into account the weather (both at the starting bases and at the arriving hexes), the AS at the starting bases and the other factors?

Lately I've come to a point where I consider weather the most important factor in the coordination thing...

I've made several attempts to coordinate my LBA lately.... and the only thing that really matters (or at least that can be easily checked) is weather. If no clouds are present at the starting hexes and if the arrival hex has no storms, the chances to coordinate between multiple bases are much higher.

I've managed to coordinate the LBA (regarding ground targets btw) between 5 different bases into a single big strike... and did it twice in two days in a row!... but only because of weather I think (well, obviously also following all the other LoBaron's suggestions)