PzB vs Wobbly - Clash of Steel

[Sneer]

Andy will never be as weak within next 6 months and after next 6 months you will have nothing to say as you will be cut off oil 

[PzB74]

My Peggy's only carries bombs...barely worth upgrading from Sallys/Helens [:'(]

Yes, I think it's now or never! Let us strike while the war still can be concluded favorably.
This won't be an option in 6 months

[AmiralLaurent]

PzB, how much oil have you in stock in Japan ? I think you should already start to close some factories as the George one... You have in stock 4 times as much as you lost in 8 months. No need to produce others IMOO...

I think Andy can take Samarinda, then can hope to hold Balikpapan and Tarakan (how much troops do you have here?). Even if this is the case, you will still have Java and Palembang more or less usable...

[Fishbed]

PzB and Andy should start to find a way to make money with their topics. I mean, there are so many people watching these two topics and waiting for the clash, it's about time to open an online-betting service and fill-in some pockets
 
 
[:D]

[PzB74]

Will check the oil stocks when I get the next turn Laurent!
The reason why I haven't closed down the George plants is that I'm receiving more and more of it - and it's my best fighter.
Planning to use them as interceptors, both green and trained. Ac stats counts for much more than pilot quality as we all know.
The George also got a max ceiling of some 41k feet, this will make it impossible to intercept it on Kami missions. Too bad it carriers
such a light load.

Since Balikpapan has 9 forts to Samarinda's 7, I have actually sent half of the defenders to the latter. Say 20k troops in all 3 bases,
250, 350 and 325 assault points. Tarakan also got 9 forts. It will take some time to capture these bases.

I'm counting on Andy sending in bombardment TFs nex turn, will try to catch them as they sail NE or SW to RTB.

So what's the odds at currently Fish? [;)]

[Honda]

I think you really shouldn't send kamis from such extreme altitudes. They didn't exactly teleport from their set altitude to sea level as the do in WitP so it would be very unfair to use it that way. If you think about it, you could wipe out Allied Death Star in a single mass kami attack with just losses form flak. I know everything about the uberCAP issue but this also seems to much. I thing you are doing a great job as it is.

[PzB74]

Here is a comparison of industrial stocks and output from May to July 1944!

As you can see most of the stocks are stable.
I have turned of armaments factories and stocks are down a bit much, have to adjust.
Also just recently turned of large merchant shipyards. As you can see we have a nice pool by now.

From now on I will try to stop further expansion of ac frames.
While our reserves of Mitsubishi engines is increasing, we're running low on Nakajimas.
Increasing stocks of Nakajima engines will become a priority! Guess we have to stop the drain first [;)]

Still, I think the overall situation is good. Andy's raid on Balikpapan reduced oil output a bit.
Our big tanker convoys are currently filling up in Sumatra and Java.

Question for the logistical wizards: How long can our industry keep going with a monthly decline of ca 10%
for resources and oil starting in September!

[PzB74]

Corsairs can still intercept at any altitude Honda, let's see how it works out.
My high altitude fighters doesn't carry enough punch to hurt neither cvs, bbs, or cas.
So I think it's only fair if we manage to land some hits every now and then.

I really 'HATE' the invincible Uber CAP! [:@] [;)]

[Honda]

So Corsair has even higher cieling? If so, disregard my previous post and hit 'im with all you got! At max alt!!![:D][:D][:D]

[ChezDaJez]

Our current ac production: 3100 air frames pr month and 3700 engines.
This amounts to 37k pr year - if Japan historically produced 27k air frames in 44, I have
succeeded in increasing this by 30%. This isn't that horrendous, is it

After all we have more resources and a more unified command, right Pauk

My answer to your question is...... yes and no.

Japan's expanded manufacturing capacity in 1944 greatly exceed the flow of materials needed to produce the required items. Assuming that the SRA and China is able to supply the home islands with the necessary raw materials, then the production levels you are using are attainable.

Basically its up to the allied player to cut down on the flow of materials to Japan. If the player doesn't engage in a full scale submarine campaign against Japan's merchants, he is allowing Japan to make the most of her production capacity. That's why it is critical for the Japanese player to safeguard her SLOCs to the best of her ability and doubly critical for the allies to interdict them. An allied player who doesn't attempt a major interdiction of Japan's merchant fleets has no right to complain that Japan is producing too much late in the war.

BTW, only about 18000 of the 28000+ aircraft produced in 1944 were true combat aircraft. The rest were trainers, logistics, patrol, and recon types. The number of fighters you are producing were possible if Japan beglected to build the other types. For example, the Japanese produced just over 4000 A6M series aircraft in 1944. Your production is over 7700. It could be done but at the expense of other types. If the game truely modeled production accurately, you would need to produce trainers for your pilots. But as it is, trainer aircraft production is abstracted as is PT boats, barges and landing craft.

Chez

[PzB74]

[:D][:D][:D]

   
 

[PzB74]

True Chez, but I'm loosing at least a 1000 Zekes each year during my training of pilots.
So you can subtract these from the grand total... Add to the Uber CAP and Corsair menace, I
really think Japan needs 7-8k Zekes in 44 to make the game playable.

Just my subjective 2c [;)]

[Honda]

ORIGINAL: PzB


 

Soooo, I guess this is the graphic representation of high-alt kamis menacing the Allied CVs?[:D]

[PzB74]

How did you guess [:D]
As soon as that happens (if it happens) Andy will cry for his 10 Marine F4U Squadrons!  [;)]

[Fishbed]

Tokyo, CNN (Comprehensive News Network) TV studios, Evening News

"...definitely these SNLF guys are smelly people with no manners, and while bombs still fall all over the place, well that's all these monkey deserve on their sandy dot - hey back off you jerk!.....ouch!..... Well ahem as you see morale is high as always, with no room for defeat. Ah, Tokugawa's ghost kills me if it's not them coming back! Something is heading my way, I have to get into the shelter. Kokyo Mogami, CNN, back to you Tokyo, BANZAIIIII! krshhhhhhhhhh BAOUM krshhhhhhhhh"

- Mogami-chan, Mogami-chan, do you hear us? Looks like a problem with the satellite... Yes terrible situation now in Otori-Shima, nearly daily bombed by the despicable imperialist forces. We will wait for the attack to be over before getting back to our special reporter Kokyo Mogami reporting now from Otori-Shima, shiny glorious outpost of our brilliant civilization! [CNN gingle while the camera get backwards and the presentator, Harama Chezdajezaru, turns herself and her long legs to face today's interviewed expert]
Admiral Paukushawa of the Imperial Navy Headquarters is our today's guest for this evening Southern Seas special. Your opinion about the situation of our TV crew over there, Paukushawa-sama?

- Well like my Uncle would say, I guess Mogami-kun is, according to our technical military glossary, in a deep brown dirty sh*t right now, but well, you know what she can sometimes manage to do with her body. Anyway, you know she smells the way GIs seem to like it, there should be no problem. Big tits help anyway.

- Ahem [glancing at the camera trying to make them understand thay'd better cut certain passages for the forthcoming broadcast]. Well thanks for the technical statement. Time for us to reach our official online bookmaker for the last odds about the upcoming Bornean challenge between the magnificient Nihon Kaigun Tigers and the West Coast pirates. Laurent-sensei, do you hear me? How's today's activity about the odds of each side?

- Good evening I hear you perfectly Chezdajezaru darling [*Sigh* Harama thinks, these Frenchmen are so romantic]. Well everything is ok over there, and shine like a thousand katana blades. Internet activity is hot tonight with bets coming from all over the world for the upcoming confrontation that certainly will be a finale to be remembered. Some sources believe audience will be as high as a Football World Cup broadcast, we are confident, even if tonight's show is somewhat hampered by the 24/7 special broadcasts on every channel since the Normandy Landing two days ago, where both sides are giving a great show.

- What about the odds Laurent-sensei?

- Good for the glory of the Empire. My own pronostic was something like a slight advantage to the opposing force when it comes to dead planes everywhere - you know how our team offensive capabilities can be somewhat weak thanks to the new Corsair team defending the US goals - but the announcement made some hours ago about the commitment of the battlewagons surely tended to make the odds shift in Japan's favor. I would say 2 to 1 for Japan, but a draw would still be a positive result for the national team.

- Any reaction from the betters?

- We're receiving a lot of SMS over there, from cellular phones all over the Empire. Here are some comments: "U are gonna kick some a$$ U PzB bloke, I did bet a Sake bottle on your head, make me loose that and I'll kick you in the nut$!" written by some Yamashita, from Harbin, Madchoukuo; "You're a real friend PzB-san, get me some more work old bean" by an anonymous sender in Bethpage, NY state; "Everytime people talk about Balikpapan I can't help getting soooooooooo excited, do you have any pic of PzB naked? God Im sorry Im feeling so hot" by Nikademusha, Pluto (didn't know they had cellular relays up there). Apparently, everyone is expecting a lot from this encounter, and we shouldn't get surprised if the audience blows the ceilings tomorrow! Laurent for CNN, back to you now honey!

- Well thanks Laurent [facing the guest now]. Any comment from you Paukushawa-sama?

- All I can tell you for now is that our team coach is such a bad-a$$ you never know what kind of witty and sneaky plot he is planning back in his secret headquarters surrounded with his dozen submissed concubines. Fear the blade and the powder I can tell you it's gonna rock, maybe even twice like that time when Mogami-kun happened to come with her short skirt to my place last summer, with cherrytree flowers all over the area... The difference is that you don't sh*g PzB just like you'd sh*g Mogami-kun, I can tell you. Moreover...

- Well we get the picture I believe Admiral, thanks. Time now for the weather forecast!"

[PzB74]

[:D] [&o]A most entertaining narrative Fish!
Sent you a picture of my secret weapon, the Tokyo Rose - which has to remain undercover
and hidden for the public [;)]

Here is a comparison table of max altitudes for Jap/Allied ac.
As you can see even Corsairs can't reach our Zekes...it will take P-38s, P-47s, P-51s and Spits.
Will be interesting...attacking capital ships with fighter Kamis will be quite ineffective.

Let's see what happens! Don't want to be Uber gamey, but the use of moderate amounts of high altitude
fighter Kamis may be a way to ensure that some bombers actually get through - which in all fairness I
think they should.

[Fishbed]

Sent you a picture of my secret weapon, the Tokyo Rose - which has to remain undercover
and hidden for the public

Well they'll have to kill me first before I reveal anything about your secret [;)]
But btw I can only encourage other people to write the same kind of awful stuff if they are to be rewarded the same way I was [:D] [;)] 

[String]

I don't think you ought to do the 38k feet dodge with your zekes.

They WILL wreak havoc with andys carriers and they will do it in a way that is totally unhistorical. No way could the Zeke dive fast enough to escape the F6F or the F4U. If it tried to outrun them it would just disintegrate.

[Nemo121]

And historically speaking there were two kamikaze flight profiles:
 
1. Moderate altitude diving to the deck as they encountered CAP/FlAK etc.
 
2. Ultra-high altitude diving attack.
 
The Japanese found that while the second was much less likely to be succesfully intercepted it was also much more likely to miss ( mostly due to compressibility effects) but it is a valid operational choice for you to make.
 
I would suggest that you not go for a one-day victory but plan a longer contest in which you attrit his fighter pools over his carriers over the course of a few days ( even at the cost of allowing the landing to go in). Once his fighter numbers ( and strike group numbers) are attrited then will be the time to send in kamis and the surface strike groups. If you send 500 kamis and strike planes in before his fighters are sufficiently attritted they will achieve little. Don't forget that so long as you can keep the airfield closed and force his carriers to withdraw any troops he lands in southern Borneo can be counter-invaded by your troops.
 
You have to ask yourself what your aim is? Is it to forestall an invasion occurring ( I think that is not achievable) or is it to end up in a superior strategic position one month from now ( which may well be achieved by allowing the invasion to occur as the price for gaining the time required to attrit enemy fighter and strike groups). Don't get seduced by the temptation to end this all quickly. Attrition, in this instance, works for you. Decisive action is likely to be almost entirely favourable to the Allies.

[Nemo121]

String,
 
The reason such diving attacks were succesful was simply because they allowed the Zeroes to get into position for the dive without having an F6F or somesuch on their tail at that instant. Sure if there were an F6F there then the dive would end in failure but in reality there is not always a plane in perfect position to intercept every attacking enemy bomber ( as the WiTP uebercap phenomenon would have you believe).
 
It happened in real life and was one of the two main historical attack profiles. I think that sufficiently answers any cries of "gameyness".