When?

[Missouri_Rebel]

Yes but what about the nurses? Dresses? Scrubs? Hair pulled up? Nurse fight? I demand an update.


Sudoku, isn't that some kind of crossword puzzle for nerds?

Glad things went good for you Steve. Take it slow and do not try to do too much too early no matter if your pride tells you otherwise.

mo reb

[Anendrue]

Glad to hear things are on the mend. Remember the three R's - Rest, recuperate and return.

[warspite1]

ORIGINAL: Missouri_Rebel

Yes but what about the nurses? Dresses? Scrubs? Hair pulled up? Nurse fight? I demand an update.


Sudoku, isn't that some kind of crossword puzzle for nerds?

Glad things went good for you Steve. Take it slow and do not try to do too much too early no matter if your pride tells you otherwise.

mo reb

warspite1

Nurse fight??? [:D]

[Missouri_Rebel]

ORIGINAL: warspite1

ORIGINAL: Missouri_Rebel

Yes but what about the nurses? Dresses? Scrubs? Hair pulled up? Nurse fight? I demand an update.


Sudoku, isn't that some kind of crossword puzzle for nerds?

Glad things went good for you Steve. Take it slow and do not try to do too much too early no matter if your pride tells you otherwise.

mo reb

warspite1

Nurse fight??? [:D]

That is exactly how I envisioned it to be. You have no equal.

[Susel1975]

I've waiting years, too - about 10??? With mid-20 I've played WIF as TableTop with 2 other Friends, then WIF as a PC-game was announced - hell, yeah.

Why did I've played WIF? I liked to playback the WW II.
Why did I've been waiting for WIF computer-game? The maps are huge and the game tooks long - we doesn't had have enough room to host the giant maps

Then the first strategic computer-games come out: Does somebody remember steel panther???
But it wasn't that what i want - i wanted a game where you could play more nations, a gigantic map....

Then Hearts of Iron I was born - a great game.
And today, where you can play Hearts of Iron II with the x. expansion... Did we need realy WIF computer game???

[warspite1]

ORIGINAL: Susel1975

Did we need realy WIF computer game???

warspite1

Well thats something only an individual can answer...

If the answer is yes, then keep waiting and hoping...if no then I guess no point hanging around here [;)]

[Caquineur]

ORIGINAL: Shannon V. OKeets
my belly button (now that hadn't seen any use in a long time).

As always, accurate, precise and to the point [:D]
Glad to know you're back [:)] !

[Anendrue]

ORIGINAL: Susel1975
Then Hearts of Iron I was born - a great game.
And today, where you can play Hearts of Iron II with the x. expansion... Did we need realy WIF computer game???

Comparing HOI3 to WiF or even MWiF is apples and oranges. However I will attempt to do so.

First a real time simulation (RTS) is not the same as a chess game and HOI3 is a RTS. HOI3 seeks to simulate all aspects of warfare and does so to a certain extent. It is very much a set your orders, watch them resolve, and micro manage the heck out of events and actions. It is a very fluid game. The event system, massive message notifications, and micromanagement are what makes HOI3 a different game.

WiF is a highly complex I-go U-go based game in extensive detail. Every turn, phase, and impulse requires strategic thinking. WiF is sort of a super extensive chess game. Every move, every response, every action you take requires you to evaluate your move and your opponents reaction.

So it becomes a matter of what you like. Do you want RTS with fluidity or a structured game with extensive interaction with your opponent.

[Joseignacio]

I have played HoI 1 and 2. For me, HoI 1 was way better than 2, that's why I don't even try HoI 3 no matter that some have told me that it has solved some of the stupid setbacks of 2.

HOwever, comparing HoI to WIF must be a joke. HoI (3 I guess, too) is a serious game, no doubt. Not totally RTS like abj9562 says. It is pausable RTS, and the pausable part changes it enormously, as well as the control of the "time speed". It can be assimilated (in a game versus AI) as "Per turns" WE GO. It's not but the result is similar.

However, IMO, it's way far away from the strategic depth of WIF. It's something different, I would say if the Total War are Parcheesi (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Parcheesi), HoI is checkers, and WIF would be Chess.

[Gendarme]

Glad to hear Steve is overcoming his latest illness. We wish him all the best and admire the fortitude in his intention to press on with programming as soon as he is able and healthy.

Seeing as that progress on Mwif has regrettably but necessarily come to a halt, I have a request concerning an aspect of this game that has had me interested from the start. And this question is addressed to anyone who can answer.

What are the chances of Matrix issuing a Pre release disc containing only files of the finalized maps? At a zoom level printable to the same hex measurements as the current tabletop Wif?

If enough people are interested, this may be a path for Matrix to start making money on Mwif sooner rather than later.

Thanks.

Anthony DeChristopher

[Shannon V. OKeets]

ORIGINAL: Gendarme

Glad to hear Steve is overcoming his latest illness. We wish him all the best and admire the fortitude in his intention to press on with programming as soon as he is able and healthy.

Seeing as that progress on Mwif has regrettably but necessarily come to a halt, I have a request concerning an aspect of this game that has had me interested from the start. And this question is addressed to anyone who can answer.

What are the chances of Matrix issuing a Pre release disc containing only files of the finalized maps? At a zoom level printable to the same hex measurements as the current tabletop Wif?

If enough people are interested, this may be a path for Matrix to start making money on Mwif sooner rather than later.

Thanks.

Anthony DeChristopher

I'll mention it to Eric Rutins next time I talk to him.

[parusski]

ORIGINAL: warspite1

ORIGINAL: Susel1975

Did we need realy WIF computer game???

warspite1

Well thats something only an individual can answer...

If the answer is yes, then keep waiting and hoping...if no then I guess no point hanging around here [;)]

You mean the last 17 years I have waited for Matrix to complete this game has been a waste??

[warspite1]

ORIGINAL: parusski

ORIGINAL: warspite1

ORIGINAL: Susel1975

Did we need realy WIF computer game???

warspite1

Well thats something only an individual can answer...

If the answer is yes, then keep waiting and hoping...if no then I guess no point hanging around here [;)]

You mean the last 17 years I have waited for Matrix to complete this game has been a waste??

warspite1

No, not if you think we need a WIF computer game.....

[Anendrue]

ORIGINAL: parusski
You mean the last 17 years I have waited for Matrix to complete this game has been a waste??

Just setting the record straight since so many people confuse CWiF and MWiF all the time. I am not looking for a fight, but 17 years is just incorrect and wrong. So I want to set the record straight for anybody who comes to these foriums and looks around.

• Matrix Games has only existed for 13 years.
• Matrix did not agree to start the World in Flames project now known as MWiF until Oct 2003.
• Then they had to contract with a skilled programmer willing to do the impossible. That took a year and a half to find someone who could accomplish that.
• Steve came to the forums in May 2005. He then had to familiarize himself with the previous code, plan requirements, analyize thousands of items and write requirements before he could write one line of code. So I would assume real coding did not start until sometime in mid to late 2006 or early 2007.

That is not 17 years.

If you meant more then 7 years then you must be referring to CWiF which was the forerunner of MWiF and produced by ADG and not Matrix Games. If you wish to purchase CWiF goto ADG's website and buy it. It has been there for many years and is still available. Then complain to them about 17 years. Tarnishing Matrix or Steve for ADG's issues can never be correct, fair, or even reasonable. Especially when you consider that CWiF was produced by ADG who was a competitor of Matrix Games when they released CWiF.

[bo]

Here we go again, first let me say this so there is no misunderstanding, abj you are one of the good guys here I mean that. I truly respect you and your opinions. I respect every ones opinion here, even Crussdaddy's. There is a problem here, I don't care if it's Matrix fault, ADG's fault or Steve's fault, I DO NOT CARE! PLEASE!

I said it before and I will say it again Steve needs help, if you get mad at me again so be it. This game is worthless to me without an AI and I mean that with all my heart and soul, if Steve wants to have me leave the beta testers for saying this then that's on him. I will continue to do what ever he asks me to do as I have done for the last 6 months, anything.

You WIF board gamers do not care about an AI and I accept that. Unless someone want's to correct me this game is a long way from done, if it ever gets done [Steve's health] Maybe there is no better programmer in this country [Hawaii included [;)] than Steve, but there is an old axiom two eyes are better than one. I do not believe Parusski was demeaning anyone, he is just plain fed up waiting, I never heard him complain before.

We are all very tense about Steve's health for him first and secondly the game. And if Steve cannot go on because of his health you and others better dust off that board game because this computer game is headed for the trash can.

Sorry but that's the way I see it.

Bo

[paulderynck]

ORIGINAL: bo

Here we go again, first let me say this so there is no misunderstanding, abj you are one of the good guys here I mean that. I truly respect you and your opinions. I respect every ones opinion here, even Crussdaddy's. There is a problem here, I don't care if it's Matrix fault, ADG's fault or Steve's fault, I DO NOT CARE! PLEASE!

I said it before and I will say it again Steve needs help, if you get mad at me again so be it. This game is worthless to me without an AI and I mean that with all my heart and soul, if Steve wants to have me leave the beta testers for saying this then that's on him. I will continue to do what ever he asks me to do as I have done for the last 6 months, anything.

You WIF board gamers do not care about an AI and I accept that. Unless someone want's to correct me this game is a long way from done, if it ever gets done [Steve's health] Maybe there is no better programmer in this country [Hawaii included [;)] than Steve, but there is an old axiom two eyes are better than one. I do not believe Parusski was demeaning anyone, he is just plain fed up waiting, I never heard him complain before.

We are all very tense about Steve's health for him first and secondly the game. And if Steve cannot go on because of his health you and others better dust off that board game because this computer game is headed for the trash can.
Sorry but that's the way I see it.

Bo

You are right Bo but at the same time you've provided the answer to your plea about the possibility of getting any more resources involved. CWiF was a one-man show for 7 years and MWiF is a one-man show. Not only will Matrix not try to involve another developer, realistically they can't because the time that developer would need to invest to get up to speed is completely uneconomical both for him and for Matrix.

And BTW people don't seem to realize that there has and is being a lot of help provided in areas where realistically it is possible to do so. The audio and graphic backgrounds, the production and printing of the player manuals, RAC, and various other myriad player aids.

On top of that there has been programming help. There was help with the Netplay code and with the Tutorial development that came on a volunteer basis for heavens sake! Now that's dedication! There was a whole support platform for a Netplay server that came as part of a deal between Matrix and another computer game company. And there's a few more examples that I don't recall the details of at this time.

So you are just going to have to face up to the fact that the only way you'll get an AI is if MWiF gets published and the AI gets added later. And the only people that can get MWiF published are first and foremost Steve, and to a lesser extent, the beta testers.

Those are the hard facts of life and no matter how much complaining you do about it (although perhaps it makes you feel better) it's not going to change.

[tigercub]

Even if steve was not able to finnish, its so far down the road now it could be picked up by other brilliant man! Steve has set the bar high not surprisingly ! i am sure his road to recovery is paved for the better now!

Tigecub

[parusski]

ORIGINAL: abj9562

ORIGINAL: parusski
You mean the last 17 years I have waited for Matrix to complete this game has been a waste??

Just setting the record straight since so many people confuse CWiF and MWiF all the time. I am not looking for a fight, but 17 years is just incorrect and wrong. So I want to set the record straight for anybody who comes to these foriums and looks around.

• Matrix Games has only existed for 13 years.
• Matrix did not agree to start the World in Flames project now known as MWiF until Oct 2003.
• Then they had to contract with a skilled programmer willing to do the impossible. That took a year and a half to find someone who could accomplish that.
• Steve came to the forums in May 2005. He then had to familiarize himself with the previous code, plan requirements, analyize thousands of items and write requirements before he could write one line of code. So I would assume real coding did not start until sometime in mid to late 2006 or early 2007.

That is not 17 years.

If you meant more then 7 years then you must be referring to CWiF which was the forerunner of MWiF and produced by ADG and not Matrix Games. If you wish to purchase CWiF goto ADG's website and buy it. It has been there for many years and is still available. Then complain to them about 17 years. Tarnishing Matrix or Steve for ADG's issues can never be correct, fair, or even reasonable. Especially when you consider that CWiF was produced by ADG who was a competitor of Matrix Games when they released CWiF.

Wow, did you miss the sarcasm. I have been a MEMBER OF MATRIX since it was founded.

It's called a wee bit of fun, something we do in Uttoxtter.

[Anendrue]

ORIGINAL: parusski
Wow, did you miss the sarcasm. I have been a MEMBER OF MATRIX since it was founded.

It's called a wee bit of fun, something we do in Uttoxtter.

I did miss the sarcasm and I should have looked at your join date. However I believe in the truth and just posted to that effect. All I was trying to do is set the record straight for new people who are unaware of the actual record of events.

As for those who are bothered by the time involved. That's their business, heart attack or whatever happens to people who stress too much about the unimportant tihngs in life. I used my stress quota when I was in the Gulf War, when my son was in a neo natal intensice care unit, and when the doctors told me I would never see again. To me those were worth worrying about. The funny thing is I couldn't really control any of those events. So my worrying in the end was for nothing since, I survived the war, my son lived, and surgeries with meds returnd my sight enough to get around and read again.

[pzgndr]

Not only will Matrix not try to involve another developer, realistically they can't because the time that developer would need to invest to get up to speed is completely uneconomical both for him and for Matrix.

One comment. Another code developer/programmer is one thing. But it's another thing for Steve and Matrix to consider involving some more AI developers once the LAIO scripting parser and AIO command structure is in place. It's going to be an iterative process to improve and enhance the computer opponent, but this is an area where multiple developers working in parallel to script various strategies can speed things up.